Dun Laoghaire Ironman 70.3 2019

peter kern · 20-08-2019 2:38pm

EDit wrote: »

Are the no shows not the DNSs?

good question and to be honest i oeverread your dns and just read dnf

for elite itu races dns means picekd up the race number but did not start the race .

1 in 8 was a DNF (167 / (1207 Finishers + 167 DNF + 3DQ)
so that would mean dns means paid for it did not register

so i looked it up
and from this we can say the number already dropped for the race when in dublin 2400 in result list 2015, 1900 2016 , 1500 2017
so not only the course

TriNRun · 20-08-2019 3:54pm

peter kern wrote: »

good question and to be honest i oeverread your dns and just read dnf

for elite itu races dns means picekd up the race number but did not start the race .

1 in 8 was a DNF (167 / (1207 Finishers + 167 DNF + 3DQ)
so that would mean dns means paid for it did not register

so i looked it up
and from this we can say the number already dropped for the race when in dublin 2400 in result list 2015, 1900 2016 , 1500 2017
so not only the course

any year could be the last one

TriFirst · 26-08-2019 7:38am

Anyone hear how this went. I know Brownlee blew the field away as expected averaging over 30km ph on the bike which is ridiculous. Apparently the swim was shortened to 800m for the age groupers because of fog though

rxchxy · 26-08-2019 7:48am

Brownlee finished ten mins ahead of 2nd place in the end.

Fog came from no where really, pros and about 100 age groupers got out on the 1900m course but then entry into the water for the AGs was paused. Definitely the right call as you couldn't even see the first buoy, would'be been a nightmare for the kayakers out on the water if anyone got into difficulty. The fog didn't lift for awhile and the majority of age groupers did a shortened course of 950m, with the first ones only going into the water at about 8am. Happy to get any swim in as at one stage there was talk of the swim being cancelled completely

TriNRun · 26-08-2019 9:01am

It was very misty on the mountains also, they may have thought twice about the race going ahead if they knew how misty and foggy is was to be up there. I see one stretchered off in neck brace, nearly came off myself due to a poorly position bollard I only seen at last minute , glad to get off that bike in the sun

Marty Bird · 26-08-2019 10:13am

It was a shame for the swim it was perfect condition in the bay to swim. At one stage there was talk of the swim been cancelled thankfully we got a half swim 950m. The changes to the bike course made it a little faster this for year for me. The visibility on the gap was so poor some people really do take so many chances when descending for an extra couple of seconds. Great performance from Chris Mintern I said before had he would place top of the Irish. He was only behind ABL on the swim exit super super performance.

efwren · 26-08-2019 10:36am

My first half ironman distance and really enjoyed it.

A real shame for the swim as its my strongest discipline. By the time the swim restarted the fog had pretty much cleared but I guess they could run the full swim distance as the roads in Wicklow had to be re-opened at specfic times.

Found the organisation superb throughout.

Knew I was going to be back of the pack so took it very handy for the first 90 minutes on the bike. know the course well so knew where the struggles would be.

Was suprised at how many cyclists passed me on the drag out of kilternan working very hard. Likewise on the hill up to powerscourt .

Not suprised then the number of cyclists I passed who were walking then coming from Roundwood up to Lough Tay.

One thing that really annoyed me was some of the walkers were way out towards the middle of the road, one was pretty much hogging the middle of the road.

Personally didnt have any issue with the fog, its common sense really to ride with some caution in the conditions.

Run was a slog for me found it hard to get any pace in to it. The athmosphere however in Dun Laoghaire was fantastic. It gives you a real lift when you come down the narrow streets at the end of that tough bike route to the cheers of the ground and into transition. My feeling leaving it was that its a fantastic location for the event, and the run route allows spectators get to see the runners several times.

I'd certainly do it again.

TriNRun · 26-08-2019 6:58pm

I would think it's unlikely to go ahead in the same format next year due to dwindling numbers, only 1600 entered this year according to the announcer , who knows how many DNS which would reduce the participants further

peter kern · 26-08-2019 8:00pm

TriNRun wrote: »

I would think it's unlikely to go ahead in the same format next year due to dwindling numbers, only 1600 entered this year according to the announcer , who knows how many DNS which would reduce the participants further

Did the contract run out this year?

niallo32 · 26-08-2019 8:16pm

peter kern wrote: »

Did the contract run out this year?

No, next year.

PWEI · 26-08-2019 8:40pm

So looking at the Ironman App there were 1738 entered in 2018 & 1556 entered this year going on allocated bib numbers.
How does that look for the event continuing beyond next year?

Really hope it does as its a great event. I did it both years and loved it.
The previous Dublin 70.3 didn't interest me because of the bike course and the run through the Phoenix Park.
I did the Galway 70.3 and there was no comparison in terms of support & atmosphere. The support yesterday was superb and the atmosphere was electric.

EDit · 26-08-2019 8:44pm

PWEI wrote: »

Really hope it does as its a great event. I did it both years and loved it.
The previous Dublin 70.3 didn't interest me because of the bike course and the run through the Phoenix Park.
I did the Galway 70.3 and there was no comparison in terms of support & atmosphere. The support yesterday was superb and the atmosphere was electric.

I did it both years as well and totally agree...the atmosphere in Dun Laoghaire is fantastic and its a great event. Will be a shame if it got canned.

S_D · 26-08-2019 9:12pm

Not a great advert for Irish Ironman events when corks swim was cancelled and almost DL too... What were the chances of that happening!! Its fighting an uphill battle,,, even bringing over some big names Im not sure is enough for DL 2020... who knows.....maybe a changed bike course to encourage more people to enter ...?

TriNRun · 26-08-2019 9:43pm

There are so many lakes and rivers in Ireland that are a better gamble for weather, maybe Ironman could look at these options as there is clearly a market for them, maybe 1 event is sustainable , 2 events may be a stretch every year

PWEI · 26-08-2019 10:03pm

I think the tough bike course is definitely putting a lot of people off.

When you look at the Dublin 70.3 event, there was roughly 2480 people entered in 2015 and in its final year 2017 it was roughly 1850 which is more than entered Dun Laoghaire in its first year.

Its a shame but I guess a lot of people are more interested in fast times rather than completing challenging courses.

Ribs1234 · 26-08-2019 10:17pm

Is there a general push by Ironman to make all their courses worldwide more challenging - particularly the bike? Is the event getting too easy for some?

TriNRun · 26-08-2019 10:26pm

Ribs1234 wrote: »

Is there a general push by Ironman to make all their courses worldwide more challenging - particularly the bike? Is the event getting too easy for some?

in Europe and the US and Oz the hot weather is the 4th discipline or variable you have to overcome,in the UK and Ireland we don't usually have hot weather , maybe they trying to make the events in Ireland, Wales and England harder with hills in order to add that 4th variable

PWEI · 26-08-2019 10:34pm

Ribs1234 wrote: »

Is there a general push by Ironman to make all their courses worldwide more challenging - particularly the bike? Is the event getting too easy for some?

I don't think so. If anything they have been making some of their courses easier. Look at IM Hamburg, that was a fairly hilly bike course and then they changed it to a flat fast course.

Shedite27 · 26-08-2019 10:39pm

Ribs1234 wrote: »

Is there a general push by Ironman to make all their courses worldwide more challenging - particularly the bike? Is the event getting too easy for some?

I think they were just looking to make it more interesting really, IM Dublin was a fairly straightforward race that was lost in Dublin, a challenging course, with a small town run works better in a lot of places.

Those chasing fast times tend to go to Europe.

peter kern · 27-08-2019 9:46am

S_D wrote: »

Not a great advert for Irish Ironman events when corks swim was cancelled and almost DL too... What were the chances of that happening!! Its fighting an uphill battle,,, even bringing over some big names Im not sure is enough for DL 2020... who knows.....maybe a changed bike course to encourage more people to enter ...?[/quote

So you think a contract means nothing....

peter kern · 27-08-2019 10:03am

Ribs1234 wrote: »

Is there a general push by Ironman to make all their courses worldwide more challenging - particularly the bike? Is the event getting too easy for some?

Yes that was a conscious decision by ironman a few years ago. if I remember correctly to combat drafting

peter kern · 27-08-2019 10:09am

TriNRun wrote: »

There are so many lakes and rivers in Ireland that are a better gamble for weather, maybe Ironman could look at these options as there is clearly a market for them, maybe 1 event is sustainable , 2 events may be a stretch every year

The issue is you are making a comment without understanding the very basics of ironman and the cost of setting up a race, so a lake does nothing if the council at the lake does not want to spend money on a race.
So I guess maybe try to educate yourself a bit on Google how it works I would be surprised if it takes more than 15 min to get some idea

ChickenBalls · 27-08-2019 10:36am

Maybe a route like this could work - just did a quick rough draft of a possible looped(2.5 loops) course that Spectators(get to view athletes more often) and athletes themselves(less elevation be it 695m) could benefit from. N11 isn't affected with this route. If it could be used, then even better to stretch out cycle towards Booterstown and reduce to 2 loops.

https://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/2659498852

Now there could be a whole number of reasons that this is not even possible that I don't know of, but I'll let the organisers figure that out

SfeD · 27-08-2019 1:20pm

I think the toughness and the scenery of the bike is the reason why people would travel to Ireland for racing.
Even for the IM label reputation, I believe they need to keep tough races in their catalog for the Ironman status to mean something.. That's the way this race should be advertised, you are going to complete an epic course, it is very unlikely that you will get a PB but you will not forget that one.

EC1000 · 27-08-2019 1:32pm

ChickenBalls wrote: »

Maybe a route like this could work - just did a quick rough draft of a possible looped(2.5 loops) course that Spectators(get to view athletes more often) and athletes themselves(less elevation be it 695m) could benefit from. N11 isn't affected with this route. If it could be used, then even better to stretch out cycle towards Booterstown and reduce to 2 loops.

https://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/2659498852

Now there could be a whole number of reasons that this is not even possible that I don't know of, but I'll let the organisers figure that out

1000 to 2000 people on a relatively flat two loop course = draftfest.

EDit · 27-08-2019 1:36pm

SfeD wrote: »

I think the toughness and the scenery of the bike is the reason why people would travel to Ireland for racing.
Even for the IM label reputation, I believe they need to keep tough races in their catalog for the Ironman status to mean something.. That's the way this race should be advertised, you are going to complete an epic course, it is very unlikely that you will get a PB but you will not forget that one.

Totally agree...although I was cursing the gods as I slugged up the R759 past Lough Tay on Sunday, I do think the event would lose something if the bike was altered to avoid the Wicklow mountains

Shedite27 · 27-08-2019 1:39pm

SfeD wrote: »

I think the toughness and the scenery of the bike is the reason why people would travel to Ireland for racing.
Even for the IM label reputation, I believe they need to keep tough races in their catalog for the Ironman status to mean something.. That's the way this race should be advertised, you are going to complete an epic course, it is very unlikely that you will get a PB but you will not forget that one.

YEah my only long distance is Austria, a notoriously fast course. If I was ever to go again it'd be Lanzarote (notoriously tough course). You need different options.

Shedite27 · 27-08-2019 1:40pm

ChickenBalls wrote: »

https://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/2659498852

EC1000 wrote: »

1000 to 2000 people on a relatively flat two loop course = draftfest.

Think there's a pun in the name of the route

SfeD · 27-08-2019 1:47pm

Don't tell me.. I even cursed the gods on the slight ascent before DL.. :-)

TriNRun · 27-08-2019 1:50pm

peter kern wrote: »

The issue is you are making a comment without understanding the very basics of ironman and the cost of setting up a race, so a lake does nothing if the council at the lake does not want to spend money on a race.
So I guess maybe try to educate yourself a bit on Google how it works I would be surprised if it takes more than 15 min to get some idea

stop trolling!
I've probably racked up more ironman events branded and unbranded than you have even considered doing, I'm up to at least 8 now, the frankfurt region alone have a branded ironman and unbranded half ironman on a lake and a river respectively , anything is possible , you can do one before you get too obese

griffin100 · 27-08-2019 1:54pm

TriNRun wrote: »

stop trolling!
I've probably racked up more ironman events branded and unbranded than you have even considered doing, I'm up to at least 8 now, the frankfurt region alone have a branded ironman and unbranded half ironman on a lake and a river respectively , anything is possible , you can do one before you get too obese

Haha now that’s a trolling post.

TriNRun · 27-08-2019 1:56pm

peter kern wrote: »

Yes that was a conscious decision by ironman a few years ago. if I remember correctly to combat drafting

nonsense again, where's the link that says this? why is it that the German courses we already spoke of are not overly hilly still? The best way to combat drafting is to increase the draft zone to about 20 metres

ChickenBalls · 27-08-2019 2:38pm

EC1000 wrote: »

1000 to 2000 people on a relatively flat two loop course = draftfest.

True - I've seen it first hand in lots of flat races actually - I tried thou

68 lost souls · 27-08-2019 3:02pm

TriNRun wrote: »

stop trolling!
I've probably racked up more ironman events branded and unbranded than you have even considered doing, I'm up to at least 8 now, the frankfurt region alone have a branded ironman and unbranded half ironman on a lake and a river respectively , anything is possible , you can do one before you get too obese

I repeat a comment made above, google a little before responding.

Peter correct me if Im wrong or add to the list if you like Australia, Western Australia, Sligo half Ironman, Lost sheep, Barcelona, Lost Sheep, Hardman, Frenchman, Sheephaven... (only counting halves and full)

peter kern · 27-08-2019 3:07pm

TriNRun wrote: »

stop trolling!
I've probably racked up more ironman events branded and unbranded than you have even considered doing, I'm up to at least 8 now, the frankfurt region alone have a branded ironman and unbranded half ironman on a lake and a river respectively , anything is possible , you can do one before you get too obese

Fair play for your sporting achievments.

But again for a branded race the most important factor is that the council is willing to invest a good amount off money to hold a race in their area. So havering a lake and no willingness to pay good bugs to get an m dot races to that Leake does you nothing.

Marty Bird · 27-08-2019 3:08pm

68 lost souls wrote: »

I repeat a comment made above, google a little before responding.

Peter correct me if Im wrong or add to the list if you like Australia, Western Australia, Sligo half Ironman, Lost sheep, Barcelona, Lost Sheep, Hardman, Frenchman, Sheephaven... (only counting halves and full)

You can add the Norseman too.

TriNRun · 27-08-2019 3:13pm

Marty Bird wrote: »

You can add the Norseman too.

and paddywhackeryman

peter kern · 27-08-2019 3:52pm

Marty Bird wrote: »

You can add the Norseman too.

I havent done that but I did a quick count I have finished 11 and 4 sub 9 hours.

TriNRun · 27-08-2019 3:54pm

But none in rivers or lakes?

Marty Bird · 27-08-2019 5:01pm

peter kern wrote: »

I havent done that but I did a quick count I have finished 11 and 4 sub 9 hours.

I don’t why I thought you had.

efwren · 27-08-2019 6:12pm

SfeD wrote: »

I think the toughness and the scenery of the bike is the reason why people would travel to Ireland for racing.
Even for the IM label reputation, I believe they need to keep tough races in their catalog for the Ironman status to mean something.. That's the way this race should be advertised, you are going to complete an epic course, it is very unlikely that you will get a PB but you will not forget that one.

I completley agree with this.

My first Ironman event, my first Olympic was earlier this Summer.

I spent 6 Months training for this because it was a tough course, and thats the reason I wanted to do it. I don't think I'd do it if it was a boring bike course.

Everybody I spoke to after had a similar opinion. I met one lady who said it was tougher than the bike course at Tenby, but while she found it really tough going thats why she travelled here.

I don't know what the break even point for the organizers is, but you would like to think there is an opportunity to build this into an iconic event on the Ironman calendar as the goto 70.3 race for athletes looking for a real challenge. The location is just superb.

PWEI · 27-08-2019 6:26pm

I think the WTC could easily find a lake or river and a Council to spend the money on the race if they had to will to do so.
I'm from Clare and somewhere like Killaloe would be perfect for an ironman race. You could have the swim in the river Shannon or Lough Derg and there is enough accommodation in East Clare and across the border in Tipp to host all the athletes.
If the WTC went to Clare County Council and said hosting such an event would generate 8 million to the local economy, they'd jump at the chance of hosting one.

TriNRun · 27-08-2019 6:36pm

PWEI wrote: »

I think the WTC could easily find a lake or river and a Council to spend the money on the race if they had to will to do so.
I'm from Clare and somewhere like Killaloe would be perfect for an ironman race. You could have the swim in the river Shannon or Lough Derg and there is enough accommodation in East Clare and across the border in Tipp to host all the athletes.
If the WTC went to Clare County Council and said hosting such an event would generate 8 million to the local economy, they'd jump at the chance of hosting one.

I agree, we surely can pull it off if the Germans can

peter kern · 28-08-2019 8:39am

PWEI wrote: »

I think the WTC could easily find a lake or river and a Council to spend the money on the race if they had to will to do so.
I'm from Clare and somewhere like Killaloe would be perfect for an ironman race. You could have the swim in the river Shannon or Lough Derg and there is enough accommodation in East Clare and across the border in Tipp to host all the athletes.
If the WTC went to Clare County Council and said hosting such an event would generate 8 million to the local economy, they'd jump at the chance of hosting one.

few gernal things
in the last 5 years there was a bout 45 aquathons held in the see in dublin area i think only one of them had the swim cancelled. thats a far better record than lets say IM hamburg that had swim cancelled last year and almost this year.
I have not enough info on IM cork swim location but the facts are here that the dublin swim location has a low cancelation chance . the people that complain are those people that complain aobut every race in the world that has an issue , what people forget is tri is a sport that will always hae a risk of cancelled swim ( carlow this year as a river, blue algis in lake is a common one in europe for lakes hamburg last year and almost this year ) heat in frankfurt in 2 of the last 4 years and 1 year very cold in frankurt so in the lat 4 years 1 race with conditons where people dot complai aobut.

why would wtc go to councils when thay have many many councills come to them ? would you try to cold sale when you are overrrun with applications )

this 8 milion you speak off is not such a clear case esepcially for 70.3 races that are not destination races. many councils descied its not worth for them as you can see galway did not want to pay the fee that was demanded.

i leave it there with saying that i think they dealt briliantly with the fog issue given all the time restrictions there is .

TriNRun · 28-08-2019 11:53am

peter kern wrote: »

few gernal things
in the last 5 years there was a bout 45 aquathons held in the see in dublin area i think only one of them had the swim cancelled. thats a far better record than lets say IM hamburg that had swim cancelled last year and almost this year.
I have not enough info on IM cork swim location but the facts are here that the dublin swim location has a low cancelation chance . the people that complain are those people that complain aobut every race in the world that has an issue , what people forget is tri is a sport that will always hae a risk of cancelled swim ( carlow this year as a river, blue algis in lake is a common one in europe for lakes hamburg last year and almost this year ) heat in frankfurt in 2 of the last 4 years and 1 year very cold in frankurt so in the lat 4 years 1 race with conditons where people dot complai aobut.

why would wtc go to councils when thay have many many councills come to them ? would you try to cold sale when you are overrrun with applications )

this 8 milion you speak off is not such a clear case esepcially for 70.3 races that are not destination races. many councils descied its not worth for them as you can see galway did not want to pay the fee that was demanded.

i leave it there with saying that i think they dealt briliantly with the fog issue given all the time restrictions there is .

in my opinion dublin would be the perfect location for a full im, but in august only, to provide the best weather window, your figures back that up, but it would be a non runner due to costs, my ongoing concern is that Youghal or Irish temperatures in June are 50-50 to get a full swim in, never mind the weather which can change so much more frequently on the sea that it can inland on a river or lake

Johnnio13 · 28-08-2019 3:10pm

off current topic, does anyone know where to get results from as the results page on the IM site not working for me anyway?

TriNRun · 28-08-2019 3:29pm

Johnnio13 wrote: »

off current topic, does anyone know where to get results from as the results page on the IM site not working for me anyway?

I'm looking the last few days, no sign of them, its poor form considering internet results are meant to last forever!

Chris871 · 28-08-2019 3:55pm

Johnnio13 wrote: »

off current topic, does anyone know where to get results from as the results page on the IM site not working for me anyway?

Theyre working on the app if you go onto the tracker. Not ideal but better than nothing.

PWEI · 28-08-2019 4:02pm

peter kern wrote: »

few gernal things
in the last 5 years there was a bout 45 aquathons held in the see in dublin area i think only one of them had the swim cancelled. thats a far better record than lets say IM hamburg that had swim cancelled last year and almost this year.
I have not enough info on IM cork swim location but the facts are here that the dublin swim location has a low cancelation chance . the people that complain are those people that complain aobut every race in the world that has an issue , what people forget is tri is a sport that will always hae a risk of cancelled swim ( carlow this year as a river, blue algis in lake is a common one in europe for lakes hamburg last year and almost this year ) heat in frankfurt in 2 of the last 4 years and 1 year very cold in frankurt so in the lat 4 years 1 race with conditons where people dot complai aobut.

why would wtc go to councils when thay have many many councills come to them ? would you try to cold sale when you are overrrun with applications )

this 8 milion you speak off is not such a clear case esepcially for 70.3 races that are not destination races. many councils descied its not worth for them as you can see galway did not want to pay the fee that was demanded.

i leave it there with saying that i think they dealt briliantly with the fog issue given all the time restrictions there is .

I wasn't criticizing the sea swim in Dun Laoghaire or any sea swims in Dublin or any where else for that matter.
As I said in an earlier post, I think Dun Laoghaire is a fantastic event and I wouldn't change a thing about it.
And I agree, I think the way the dealt with the fog was brilliant and I for one was happy to get a swim in even if it was a shortened one.

I was merely pointing out that they could find a lake or river if they had wanted to for the full Ironman but they didn't.

I have no issue with a sea swim in Cobh either, however I do think they were short-sighted in having the full in June considering the average water temperature is 14c, increasing the chances of a shortened swim.
They would have been much better off having it later in August when the average water temperature is 16c.

reidman · 28-08-2019 4:11pm

Was a well organized event, you race what’s in front of you on the day, no big deal with a shorter swim, the bike and run are the challenge on this course. I was goosed off the bike, found the run hard going on the legs. Next year will tell if Cork and DL are overkill combined but certainly a market for one of them. For the overseas participants logistics and location are important, Dublin makes sense from this perspective but that’s just my opinion. Well done everyone who got through it, solid achievement to finish.

Dun Laoghaire Ironman 70.3 2019

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