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"proven cure for asthma and hayfever"

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  • 15-07-2001 1:52pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 15,326 ✭✭✭✭


    As someone who suffers from both and who has tried pretty much most standard remedies involving, spinhalers,inhalers, noses drops, eye drops pills, you name it i've been there, i've recently started looking around the web for alternative remedies.
    Many websites such as here and here appear to offer unbelievable results.

    I was wondering if anyone here has medical knowledge or experience with these things and could perhaps give a more scientific opinion on this.

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  • Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 4,599 CMod ✭✭✭✭RopeDrink


    **Cue, Bob The Unlucky Octopus** for this one biggrin.gif

    As a victim of violent Hayfever, I'd love more information, also...


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,436 ✭✭✭bugler


    A small nose filter is about to hit the markets 'at the end of this month' I believe. This is for hayfever, which I also suffer from.Apparently the guy who made it was with a friend outside one day, and his friend was trying to eat a sandwich, but was suffering from hayfever so badly that it was barely possible.He decided that there has to be a way to help people like this, and so set out to invent a cure/prevention.Word is, that out of 150 or so test subjects, the filter was 100% effective in stopping the symptoms of hayfever.Lets hope it lives up to the hype.

    [This message has been edited by bugler (edited 15-07-2001).]


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,326 ✭✭✭✭Supercell


    Yep Ropedrink, i'm hoping he will reply too biggrin.gif Hayfever is the main reason why i live in the city center, five stories up...not a green thing for miles smile.gif

    bugler,i know what that guy went through, ever had to tilt your head back while eating??!! smile.gif .

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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,309 ✭✭✭✭Bard


    I also suffer from irritating and violent bouts of hay fever - more so in Summertime (obviously, I guess), but strangely more so when I'm indoors... and while Clarityn (which I got in Boots) seems to be doing the job for the moment, I'd love to hear of a more long term or permanent solution.

    The bee pollen tablet solution looks interesting - a sort of immunisation such as the MMR and other injections, it seems. If it were fully medically approved/sanctioned and available from a doctor/chemist, I'd probably try it out.

    Bard
    I've got a plan... and it's as HOT... AS MY PANTS!!!" - Lord Flashheart.


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,326 ✭✭✭✭Supercell


    <font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">I also suffer from irritating and violent bouts of hay fever - more so in Summertime (obviously, I guess), but strangely more so when I'm indoors</font>
    Yep am the same too, i believe that is a result of the dust mite, i rememeber yonks ago reading somewhere that it loves still air.

    Its a compromise, open the windows and let the pollen in , or close em and eat mite, what works for me is opening them wide when i hoover like a demon and leave them half open the rest of the time, thus minimising stagnent air.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭phaxx


    A nose filter? Something that goes over the nose, or something you ram up the nose or what? smile.gif

    Clarityn works well for me, but when I wake up I always feel *awful*.

    Usually bad in sunny weather - I'm a snow and thunderstorm person smile.gif



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,436 ✭✭✭bugler


    You stick it up your snout as far as I have heard.I don't know how visible(if it is visible at all) it will be, but I'd imagine it could be concealable.Anyway, I assume the worse sufferers among us wont care if it can be seen or not, just so long as it does the job.


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,326 ✭✭✭✭Supercell


    I remember sitting a law exam in college with a tissue stuffed up each nostril to stop dripping on the page ,i had no consideration (ha_ha) for law that day biggrin.gif .
    Yep as you say bugler, the worst sufferers amongst us dont care as long as it does the job.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,136 ✭✭✭Bob the Unlucky Octopus


    Ahhhh...a topic I actually know something about- always nice to see occasionally smile.gif As such, this is going to be a long post...

    It's unbelievably hard to filter out the sensasionalist and commercialist *ahem* cr4p...and actually get down to what is needed to progress regarding treatment of these conditions.

    Now both hayfever and asthma are hyperallergic reactions. That is, they are caused by our immune system overreacting to particulate matter in different ways. Hayfever is predicated by an expelling reflex- and asthma by a broncho-constrictive(narrowing&mucus population of the airways) pathway.

    Alternative medicines are generally hoaxes- I happen to know that the particulate nose-filter bugler mentions has failed it's first trial. I was never optimistic about it anyway- it relies on filtering out particulate matter down to tolerance levels- something that's almost impossible to do without provoking a PD reaction. Yes folks- we actually NEED a decent amount of particulate matter in the air we breathe- it's the most reliable way of getting moisture in & stocking our immune system with MAST cells & allergen antibodies.

    The most reliable alternative methods that I've seen work in clinical practise are acupuncture and homeopathic medicaments. The other gimmicks, pills and syringes I've seen all attempt to do one of three things:

    1) Reduce particulate matter to tolerant levels (doesn't work for the reasons mentioned above- a few hoaxes around, best left alone)

    2) Attempts micro-inhibition of the immune system-(works for hayfever, but not for asthma- antihistamines actually inhibit histamic/inflammatory reactions in your mucus membranes by slowing the classical C-5a complement pathway. Most of the hoaxes you find will fall into the oral medicaments section of this category)

    3) Acts as a sympathetic beta stimulant to force an airway and slow the allergic response(salbutamol asthma inhalers- which also help slow the effects of hayfever)

    Now the trouble is- none of these methods actually address the root cause of hyperallergic reactions. They merely help to manage the condition. Most of these gimmicks will have limited short-term management benefit- ie- they work long enough for you to part with your cash- then your body becomes tolerant to them and you're left staring at that big empty space in your wallet.

    However, we are nearing a breakthrough in understanding the very core nature of hyperallergic reactions. It seems to center around an immune repressor protein that genetically mutates in very much the same way as cancer oncogenes do. That explains why in today's polluted atmosphere, far more urban children are suffering from asthma than even a few decades ago. It also gives us a window of opportunity to treat this either with a retrovirus, or with protein replacement therapy.

    So there is hope- and don't be surprised to see the first of these sprayed retroviruses/PRT treatments within the next 4-5 years or so. Not being a systemic medicament- it's very likely to be over-the-counter.

    As such- if you're the sort of person who needs a MPF helmet(a la nuclear power-plant/biohazard lab worker) every time the pollen count zips above 9...hope is on the horizon- and more importantly- a similar line of research is being directed at asthma sufferers.

    Bob the Unlucky Octopus


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,326 ✭✭✭✭Supercell


    Thanks for that Bob, pretty good info.

    I remember watching a program ages ago on BBC about a course of injections that desensitises one to this kind of thing, though for the life of me i cannot remember what its called exactly.
    The gist of the program was about the fact that this is widespread in Germany and apparently pretty successfull and why wasn't it available on the NHS over in the UK.
    Have you heard of this treatment?, and if so, whats you're opinion?

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  • Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 4,599 CMod ✭✭✭✭RopeDrink


    *sniffle* I love you too, Bob!

    [VAR]-RopeDrink***** was killed by IOL NoLimits with Headshot from Disconnect


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭phobos


    Yeah nice one Bob!

    This summer has been my worst one for hayfever. There has been stages where my eyes watered up to the extent that could not see, whenever I went outside. I'm living in an average housing estate in Galway city (by average I mean it has it's tree's and green areas also). I also suffer from sinus headaches (does that sound right?). I heard that your sinus is a gap or lack of matter, as opposed to something that takes form. So is it when my sinus becomes congested with mucus, it causes headaches?. That is one of the reasons I get headaches. I was also told that I can receive headaches from EMS (Electro Magnetic Stress). This is when someone sleeps or spends a long time in close contact with electronic devices (E.g. sleeping near a clock radio for example).

    Back to normal style headaches. I too was given Carityn, which is an anti-histamine. What exactly is an anti-histamine?

    Anyway, I am sick and tired of these symptoms and nothing seems to prevent, only cure temporarely. Any suggestions Bob?

    Thanx m8, I appreciate your feedback!

    ;-phobos-)


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Asok


    I get hayfever alot too (so bad if i sneeze once both my nostrels bleed 4 a while) but the one thing that seems to get rid of it and the "headaches"(i know how you feel phobos )is beconase spray it just came off prescription only and works very well after using it for a day or two

    I might look like a fool but i`m really a blithering idiot


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,326 ✭✭✭✭Supercell


    Danny, thats my biggest problem with prescription sprays, ie nosebleeds, Beconase really is a good hayfever suppresser(i have zero hayfever with it, but get constant bleeds).
    I am not a doctor nor should i be giving medical advise, but i am a fellow hayfever,asthma, sufferer, i find that the non prescriptive Rynacrom spray is pretty good,very few nosebleeds (though still some). Just my non-medical advise, i do suffer really really badly and am trying hard to find a non prescriptive solution. Still (no doubt Bob will agree) get the OK from you own local doctor before going off a prescribed course.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Asok


    [Reading thru the mucasy haze on my screen] Cheers i`ll give that spray a shot will ask Dr.spock first though just incase its got COCAINE! in it or is it cinnamin? lol smile.gif

    I might look like a fool but i`m really a blithering idiot


  • Registered Users Posts: 27,645 ✭✭✭✭nesf


    Hmm, I'm not alone, I suffered from asthma as a kid, but at christmas i got a bout of pneumonia and pleuresy(sp?) together and my asthma recurred and got very bad, at the mo i'm on 3 inhalers, serevent, ventolin and becotide. The serevent is a *****, if i forget to take it any morning i get congested very badly.

    On top of that I've hayfever year after year around exam time, it seems to have come a month earlier since i've gone to college. Anyway i'm unlucky as i suffer from hypersentivity to anti-histamines, i.e. no tablets or cough syrups apart from codine, otherwise i get migraines/blackouts etc. the only thing that i can take without severe side-effects is beconase.

    It's hard to get decent medication for either these days, esp if you're restricted in choice as i am.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Asok


    Man thats tough.I was actually alergic to something in our school never figured out what it was caused my sinus`s to bleed all year round (cept summer hols when hayfever kicked in) any of u guys hear of this happening b4?


  • Registered Users Posts: 137 ✭✭offroadannie


    try reading book "Food Combining for Health" (also known as "The Hay Diet") its all about changing your diet - i began a number of years ago for another complaint i was suffering from and saw a remarkable improvement within two days - but, be warned, it can be tough to stick to but if you try it for just one week you will realise the benefits and keep on following it - asthma, hayfever, skin complaints, etc. etc. etc. etc. are all covered in the book - changed my life - just get a copy and read it - awesome!!! biggrin.gif


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9 Pazz


    Had hayfever as a kid, when I was 14 I stacked haybales for 2 weeks, it was hell but i've been hayfever free since. I don't recommend this treatment but it worked for me as a kid.

    Also there's a doc somewhere in Galway who is licensed to give desensitising injections. They seem to be quite effective I hear.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 772 ✭✭✭Chaos-Engine


    Unbelieveable remedy...

    I suffer mild to painful hayfever....
    I resently discovered that consuming continuous amounts of strong mints such as XXX or other such brands provented my nazel reaction from Polin.... It also worked for my gf who is even worse than me and one r 2 other ppl... Maybe this is just pychosamatic but i think u should give it ago.....

    "Information is Ammunition"
    Choas Engine
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    [This message has been edited by Chaos-Engine (edited 07-08-2001).]


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 258 ✭✭Fand


    I get hay fever and have asthma. A few remedies that help:

    Have the house free of carpets, with all the floors sanded. Have curtains you can take down and wash regularly. Replace the duvet every year and the pillows every three months (bed mites gather to worship there).

    When you've got a bad bout of asthma or hay fever, apart from using the usual inhalers and stuff, eat less fat and more greens. Cutting out milk products and wheat (have brown rice instead of bread) while you're wheezy and sneezy helps too.

    If your sinuses are gunged up, get *clean* seawater and snuff it up your nose and shake your head around, then wipe - don't blow - your nose. It takes that horrible huge swelling down straight away.

    If you're getting headaches, they have a gadget called a MigraStick in the health food shop in South Great George's Street in Dublin. This is a tiny roll-on containing lavender oil and peppermint oil, and you roll it on the back of your neck - THOUGH DON'T DO THIS WHEN YOU'RE PREGNANT - and it cures all but the worst headaches.

    I'm interested in finding out about the Buteyko breathing technique, but too lazy to do much about it. It looks like a goodie, though. Anyone used it?

    Oh, and one more thing about hay fever: if you're at the burning streaming eyes stage of it, have a shower and wash your hair, to get the pollen out of your hair and off your skin. Really helps.


  • Registered Users Posts: 27,645 ✭✭✭✭nesf


    Hmm, you make alot of assumptions, such as your asthma reacts to dairy produce. You don't live in the country(the shower point).

    The no carpets thing I can't agree with, we recently replaced all the carpets in the house with wooden flooring and my hayfever has been unchanged and my asthma has gotten very bad this year (not related tho).


    I'm sorry if i sound cynical but i've tried alot of things, and tbh all these removal of dust theories don't do **** for me.


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