Lads....Thurs Night!

Einstein · 12-11-2010 1:54pm

jtsuited wrote: »

Oh and Einstein, a few weeks back, I publicly declined an oppurtunity for a national radio station to broadcast my 'dj music' (there's a good bit about it on the clubbing forum should you need to check). You know why???
Because the terrible lowest common denominator show that would have been a vehicle for said 'exposure' would have benefitted by my involvement.

That's your choice and you made decisions based on your experience of the scene that you're involved in. I'll have to take your word that it was the correct thing to do.

jtsuited wrote:

If you are interested in making money, do something that doesn't fill the world with sh1t.

Right so, next time a 17 year old rapper wannabe that can't rap, knocks on my studio door wanting to pay me to record and mix his single, I'll say no, just to avoid adding to the existing sh!t. Will you lend me money to pay my car loan?

jtsuited wrote:

Doctors, lawyers, scientists, etc, are all of far more benefit to society than another wedding covers band uncomfortably straddling the dodgy world of wedding covers bands and actual original artists with absolutely no motivation beyond 'we just want to be famous'.

Benefit to society? Am I in the wrong thread?

jtsuited wrote:

Fame does not equal success, to anybody outside the demographic that Xfactor is aimed at. Or anybody with half an ounce of sense.

I agree 100%.

catho_monster · 12-11-2010 2:18pm

Theres a bigger problem here than the fact that the show is trash, and that the band are happy they got coverage, and that ye all thought this was great and congratulated them.

This concept of getting the name out there by any means necessary is pretty soul destroying. Its so apart from the creative inspiration that drives music making initially that it really breaks my heart. Yeah, fine, that’s the music business, that’s the game. But it sucks.

For some reason there’s an analogy in my brain of a situation where someone would aim to score someone really really hot, and would, as a means of getting them, score everyone else around them, just to show that they’re out there, available, and up for it. Only to be congratulated by their peers for scoring the mingers, because they agree that the looker will fall into their arms any second now.

Its bloody ridiculous. Seriously. Its bloody ridiculous.

The point is, just because many people here choose to play this game, doesn’t mean that we all agree that the game is the one true calling. Shure what have you to loose? Your integrity, your soul – shure what do those things matter when you’re rich and famous. No wait, hold on – try being creative with no integrity and no soul.

jtsuited · 12-11-2010 2:19pm

Einstein wrote: »

Will you lend me money to pay my car loan?

Not my fault you had to borrow money to buy a car you can't pay for without taking whatever work's going even if it's sh1te.

Look I've done a billion and one dodgy gigs over the years to pay the bills (between playing in wedding bands, recording church choirs singing about Jesus, etc.).

My point is, that when someone choose to take such an active role in something as truly awful as this, and then from the outset tries to fob off the entirely justifiable criticism as 'just haters etc', they deserve to be called up on it.

Listen, we all do degrading sh1t to pay the bills, and in fact I think one of the primary goals in life is to be able to pay the bills without doing degrading sh1t.

But when people whose talent is massively outweighed by their ambition start floggin their wares, and think 'haters be hatin' and 'typical Irish begrudgery', when they get called out on it, they really really really paint themselves in a bad light to anyone with a brain.

On the opposite side, when people get some sort of critical or commercial success, often some people close to them will tag along, defending them and plugging them because it's actually beneficial to the tag-along too.

Very much like how parasites work tbh.

Einstein · 12-11-2010 2:28pm

jtsuited wrote: »

Not my fault you had to borrow money to buy a car you can't pay for without taking whatever work's going even if it's sh1te.

Quote 1 line of a full post just to take a dig? Talk about missing my point...

jtsuited wrote:

My point is, that when someone choose to take such an active role in something as truly awful as this, and then from the outset tries to fob off the entirely justifiable criticism as 'just haters etc', they deserve to be called up on it.

Again, I never said I thought the show was great viewing. Have you never gotten involved in something that sounded like a potentially great idea, but in actual fact turned to mush?

jtsuited wrote:

Listen, we all do degrading sh1t to pay the bills, and in fact I think one of the primary goals in life is to be able to pay the bills without doing degrading sh1t.

Sorry to hear that, I've never done anything degrading to pay a bill in my life.

On the opposite side, when people get some sort of critical or commercial success, often some people close to them will tag along, defending them and plugging them because it's actually beneficial to the tag-along too.[/quote]
I don't see how this is relevant tbh.

jtsuited wrote:

Very much like how parasites work tbh.

Are you able to have a mature conversation/debate without the insults?

jtsuited · 12-11-2010 2:31pm

Einstein wrote: »

Are you able to have a mature conversation/debate without the insults?

My point about parasites is hardly a dig. I hear it all time from many professionals in music. I wasn't aiming it anyone.

Einstein · 12-11-2010 3:10pm

jtsuited wrote: »

My point about parasites is hardly a dig. I hear it all time from many professionals in music. I wasn't aiming it anyone.

I just don't generally refer to people (nobody in particular) as parasites.
I've a bit more respect for people and their choices.
The difference is, their choices appear to bother you.

PMI · 12-11-2010 3:11pm

Funny stuff, dont kiss up.....

love it !

Im to old to be bothered by others now, and im not really into anyones view but my own

i have no need, I have nothing to gain....

When I was younger I would of been all over this thread attacking etc...especially another band... haha, I just have no need.

im doin 6 gigs this week, just got our 2nd single back from mix engineer in states, im mixing a track on sunday for a xmas release,10500 facebook fans, travel all over this fine country meeting people, earn my living from music, healthy and have been given free EXTRA exposure to this land via RTE? should I stand here and argue?!? why?

If I wasnt involved or show didnt have anything to do with me, I would NOT watch it, its not my style I dont like reality shows and TBH I dont have time so I sky+'ed it.....

fight away

love the 200 point bit, do not pass go !

brilliant !

jtsuited · 12-11-2010 3:19pm

PMI wrote: »

im doin 6 gigs this week, just got our 2nd single back from mix engineer in states, im mixing a track on sunday for a xmas release,10500 facebook fans, travel all over this fine country meeting people, earn my living from music, healthy and have been given free EXTRA exposure to this land via RTE? should I stand here and argue?!? why?

.Good man. The life philosophies of Kanye West seem to have made a great impact on Irish society.

PaulBrewer · 12-11-2010 3:20pm

This is indeed a Monumentous Day -

Myself and JT agree on something.

PMI · 12-11-2010 3:20pm

jtsuited wrote: »

.Good man. The life philosophies of Kanye West seem to have made a great impact on Irish society.

Funny you should say that, the mix we got back was from Kanyes Mix engineer haha guess it came out of that....ha

jtsuited · 12-11-2010 3:21pm

Einstein wrote: »

I just don't generally refer to people (nobody in particular) as parasites.
I've a bit more respect for people and their choices.
The difference is, their choices appear to bother you.

Erm, it's a fairly apt description for many areas of business (not least in certain areas of the music business). I genuinely don't mean it as a sort of mega-insult. It's merely describing the mechanism by analogy to phenomena in the natural world.

DamagedTrax · 12-11-2010 3:31pm

Niall - Dahlia wrote: »

Fine, but whether you actually watch it or not doesn't change the fact that RTE are taking a yearly licence fee from you to produce crap exactly like this.

What I can't stand about it all is how poor an imitation it is of American television. I can't stand American "reality" TV. The engineered situations, the heavily edited close-up reactions, the "heart-breaking" stories of rags to riches, nobody to somebody, fat to skinny...that style is creeping into TV everywhere this side of the Atlantic, this is just another terrible attempt to reflect it.

I'd rather watch something low budget and original from RTE than watch another episode of the bad imitation that is Fade Street.

so vote with your feet like so many of us do, dont pay your license fee!

listen, i seen some of this "fade street" last night. its thrashy entertainment, no more no less. quite why its getting people's backs up is beyond me. we have to deal with the musical equivalent every day on the major radio stations (westlife, boyzone blah blah). its easy to just tune the dial or turn the radio off.

now if bono had made an appearance in it then it'd be a different story.. the anger would be justified :pac::pac::pac:

***sits back and waits for the fun***

acman · 12-11-2010 3:47pm

PMI wrote: »

im doin 6 gigs this week, just got our 2nd single back from mix engineer in states, im mixing a track on sunday for a xmas release,10500 facebook fans, travel all over this fine country meeting people, earn my living from music, healthy and have been given free EXTRA exposure to this land via RTE? should I stand here and argue?!? why?

If I wasnt involved or show didnt have anything to do with me, I would NOT watch it, its not my style I dont like reality shows and TBH I dont have time so I sky+'ed it.....

From what I gather, you seem to consider yourself quite "successful" at this point. Which begs the question: Why would you still feel the need to associate yourself with such an awful television program which even you wouldn't watch?

DamagedTrax wrote: »

you're not forced to listen to or watch anything. there's a wealth of channels out there, stick on discovery or history and learn about our world if you dont like fade street. or there's the big off button on your tv. im pretty sure that as humans we've evolved enough to be able to press the right button on our remotes if we desire?

Nice tip genius, now read what I wrote, but properly this time:

acman wrote: »

My point here is that this show is diabolical and we should really be putting a stop to this "any publicity is good publicity" attitude. It's exactly this socially acceptable nonsense, along with "Fiachra's Law" that has filled our world with the talentless, bullshyt sellouts that we are forced to listen to, watch / actively avoid every day.

woodsdenis · 12-11-2010 5:17pm

PaulBrewer wrote: »

This is indeed a Monumentous Day -

Myself and JT agree on something.

What bit do you agree with

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6nHcCB-xoY

To add more spice to the thread here is another reality show crossover into music.
Now I am off to watch Fade St

jtsuited · 12-11-2010 5:17pm

DamagedTrax wrote: »

so vote with your feet like so many of us do, dont pay your license fee!

I actually think people should have to pay a license fee for the purpose of us having a State run public broadcaster.

PROVIDED, said broadcaster actually fulfills it's role.

What you are saying there is akin to saying 'do what a load of us do and avoid tax, then you don't have to worry what that money is spent on'.

Which has certain merits tbf, but come on, we'd be a fairly fcuked state if everyone took that attitude.

DamagedTrax · 12-11-2010 5:41pm

jtsuited wrote: »

I actually think people should have to pay a license fee for the purpose of us having a State run public broadcaster.

PROVIDED, said broadcaster actually fulfills it's role.

What you are saying there is akin to saying 'do what a load of us do and avoid tax, then you don't have to worry what that money is spent on'.

Which has certain merits tbf, but come on, we'd be a fairly fcuked state if everyone took that attitude.

so you'll hand over money for something that isnt up to scratch? fair play to you. i dont. and if everyone thought the same then maybe rte would have to listen up and we'd have a proper national broadcaster.

you're getting angry about them. i decided rather than get angry i'll just take action. it might be small but i feel better for it

DamagedTrax · 12-11-2010 5:47pm

acman wrote: »

Nice tip genius, now read what I wrote, but properly this time:

firstly theres no need for that kind of attitude. ive been nothing but civil in talking to you and jtsuited. so afford me the same respect that he is, thanks. its only a discussion after all.

secondly i still dont understand why its annoying you so much if you are activly avoiding stuff you dont like. im not trying to be smart with you but switching the channels just doesnt get me angry.

life everyday is a multitude of choices to be made, watching or not watching a tv show is just another choice, does it really warrant wasting energy on anger?

jtsuited · 12-11-2010 5:59pm

DamagedTrax wrote: »

so you'll hand over money for something that isnt up to scratch? fair play to you. i dont. and if everyone thought the same then maybe rte would have to listen up and we'd have a proper national broadcaster.

Would you believe, I have devoted a great deal of time lately to thinking about this subject.

Here are a few things....

1. If you don't pay your tv license and get caught, there are actually a good few jobs out there you can't get in broadcasting, and not paying your tv license is actually grounds for dismissal from such broadcasting jobs.

2. Like I said, I would love to hold out from paying, but we actually got landed with one of those thirty day notices last month, so it was a decision I needed to make quick on whether I was going to pay.

3. In principle, I genuinely believe in the idea of a State public service broadcaster being funded by television licenses. I think on the whole, it is a very beneficial concept for society.

4. Interestingly, RTE as an organisation is a spineless one easily pushed over by popular opinion and public complaints.
Bitching on the internet and freely airing your grievances does actually matter to them (I'm telling you this from the inside so to speak).

If there is a coordinated national movement to refuse to pay the license fee until certain questions are asked and sufficiently answered, I will be there on the frontline. And yes I am giving thought to the idea myself.

Ah yeah and to be fair to Damaged here, he's only saying 'chill out, relax, change the channel', which in most circumstances is completely valid but the issue of the license fee coupled with the 'haters be hatin/Irish begrudgery' really pushes this discussion into an entirely different area imo.

DamagedTrax · 12-11-2010 6:08pm

1. If you don't pay your tv license and get caught, there are actually a good few jobs out there you can't get in broadcasting, and not paying your tv license is actually grounds for dismissal from such broadcasting jobs.

didnt know that to be honest. if it came to paying or a court date i know i'd end up paying anyway, im far too pretty for prison :P

2. Like I said, I would love to hold out from paying, but we actually got landed with one of those thirty day notices last month, so it was a decision I needed to make quick on whether I was going to pay.

i suppose its quite easy for me when im tucked away in a massive apartment complex. i can look out my window and see who's at the door. if they have a clip board i aint answering

3. In principle, I genuinely believe in the idea of a State public service broadcaster being funded by television licenses. I think on the whole, it is a very beneficial concept for society.

i believe in either license fee OR advertising revenue. when you receive income from both and still dont reach an acceptable service level then something needs to be done.

4. Interestingly, RTE as an organisation is a spineless one easily pushed over by popular opinion and public complaints.
Bitching on the internet and freely airing your grievances does actually matter to them (I'm telling you this from the inside so to speak).

will someone PLEASE get that idiot brendan o'connor off the air waves!!!!

do you think they heard me?

If there is a coordinated national movement to refuse to pay the license fee until certain questions are asked and sufficiently answered, I will be there on the frontline. And yes I am giving thought to the idea myself.

lets do it. we'll organise a march and barricade ourselves into RTE and demand kisses from aobhinn ni Shuilleabhain before we leave!!!

jtsuited · 12-11-2010 6:14pm

DamagedTrax wrote: »

didnt know that to be honest. if it came to paying or a court date i know i'd end up paying anyway, im far too pretty for prison :P

Really???? I guess the only reason is that i know this is I'm third generation Montrose, but yeah tis true.

DamagedTrax wrote: »

i suppose its quite easy for me when im tucked away in a massive apartment complex. i can look out my window and see who's at the door. if they have a clip board i aint answering

oh here's the stickler. The guy that will come, is from the Post and Telegraphs department.....whose public wing is called An Post. He can get into your building as easy as a postman.
I live in an apartment complex too and he already had the notices signed by the time he got to each door. I'm not sure if anyone in our building actually had a TV license tbh!!

DamagedTrax wrote: »

i believe in either license fee OR advertising revenue. when you receive income from both and still dont reach an acceptable service level then something needs to be done.

yup I'd agree. Unfortunately for a country the size of Ireland, we can't have it as an either/or situation. Haha, you could probably say that about the Irish economy as a whole!!

DamagedTrax wrote: »

will someone PLEASE get that idiot brendan o'connor off the air waves!!!!

do you think they heard me?

Is he on RTE again??

DamagedTrax wrote: »

lets do it. we'll organise a march and barricade ourselves into RTE and demand kisses from aobhinn ni Shuilleabhain before we leave!!!

eh ok.

jtsuited · 12-11-2010 6:21pm

Dedicated to Damaged

krd · 12-11-2010 9:31pm

I will say something - some people think any kind of exposure is good. It isn't.

There is exposure that is known as the 'kiss of death'

Getting a slot on Jools Holland is great for anyone (Jeff can stand behind his laptop with 5 dancing girls all miming on SH 101 Keytars - tight latex sex suits)

Appearing on Ryan Tubridy's show could be the kiss of death. Unless you really have the strength of character to rise above it.

Brendan O'Connor has a show - appearing on that might be like hammering nails into your own coffin.

Anyone remember the Monkeys - TV show with a band from the 60s. Neil Young played guitar on the original recordings - do you think he went around the place shouting about it? Nearly 50 years later Neil Young is still selling records and packing out venues - Where The F are the Monkeys? Still the monkeys work meant Neil Young cut eat.

jtsuited · 12-11-2010 9:39pm

speaking of exposure and to illustrate a point about how to be selective about it, tonight tune in to spin 103.8 (awful station) where you'll hear one of my newest unreleased tracks being played by Barry Redsettaz (great show, great dj). btw, interestingly enough the show i was talking about earlier which I declined for a guestmix is on the same station on the same night.

Seziertisch · 12-11-2010 10:12pm

To get the thread back on topic, I just watched the first 5 minutes of the show...

At least in The Hills, the actors actually act i.e. the perform a plausible simulation of what it is that they are supposed to be going through/doing at that particular moment. You have no awareness of them being aware that there is a camera crew there. This is one way of telling that they are actors and not just joe soaps who are being filmed going about their daily business.

With Fade St. on the other hand, you are acutely aware that there is a camera crew present, and the "performances" of all those present are like that kind of thing you might see in a school play e.g. wooden, slightly embarrassed and acutely aware of being under observation. This is not helped by the obviously contrived nature of all of the encounters.

jtsuited · 12-11-2010 10:13pm

krd wrote: »

I will say something - some people think any kind of exposure is good. It isn't.

There is exposure that is known as the 'kiss of death'

Getting a slot on Jools Holland is great for anyone (Jeff can stand behind his laptop with 5 dancing girls all miming on SH 101 Keytars - tight latex sex suits)

Appearing on Ryan Tubridy's show could be the kiss of death. Unless you really have the strength of character to rise above it.

Brendan O'Connor has a show - appearing on that might be like hammering nails into your own coffin.

Anyone remember the Monkeys - TV show with a band from the 60s. Neil Young played guitar on the original recordings - do you think he went around the place shouting about it? Nearly 50 years later Neil Young is still selling records and packing out venues - Where The F are the Monkeys? Still the monkeys work meant Neil Young cut eat.

just something on this that I've seen happen. A great band I knew well (did a few tours with them, etc.) were The Revs.
Their initial exposure completely killed any chance they had of ever being taken seriously again. I saw it with my own too eyes, as after they had made their first proper album (which trackmixstudio from here did with them), the idiot demographic didn't have any interest in anything that was other than singalong hits.
The more 'credible' and substantial their music became, the less people were at their gigs. They could never succeed doing what they actually wanted as they were always going to be known as the 'Wired to the Moon' band that played every student venue in this country about 3 times per month (the Blizzards did something very similar when they got going too) over the space of a year.
They played Slane, and all manner of massive festivals all over the world as a result of their initial exposure but as soon as they decided to get down to proper stuff, they fell between the barstools of being marketed to the ignorant masses and actually being a band liked by people who actually listen to music.

This 'any exposure is good exposure' idea is absolute horsesh1t but if you plan on still be playing weddings and 21sts when you're grey and tubby, then your plan is flawless.

jtsuited · 12-11-2010 10:16pm

Seziertisch wrote: »

To get the thread back on topic, I just watched the first 5 minutes of the show...

At least in The Hills, the actors actually act i.e. the perform a plausible simulation of what it is that they are supposed to be going through/doing at that particular moment. You have no awareness of them being aware that there is a camera crew there. This is one way of telling that they are actors and not just joe soaps who are being filmed going about their daily business.

With Fade St. on the other hand, you are acutely aware that there is a camera crew present, and the "performances" of all those present are like that kind of thing you might see in a school play e.g. wooden, slightly embarrassed and acutely aware of being under observation. This is not helped by the obviously contrived nature of all of the encounters.

Yup, there's something seriously wrong when a state broadcaster makes something that actually makes The Hills look like something that took skill and talent.

But sure that's the nature of the Irish media, keep pushing the standards lower and lower and say typical Irish begrudgery when the saps involved are plastered all over the Sindo talking about how they deal with 'life as a celebrity' and they receive a deserved tongue lashing from anyone with a brain.

Seziertisch · 12-11-2010 10:38pm

... and who could forget this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmfvClO4JLM

Though I think it is still of more merit than Fade Street.

jtsuited · 12-11-2010 10:56pm

haha check this pretty good critique of Fade Street

Louise: “What I really love about the magazine is that it’s aimed at 18 to 34-year-olds which is where I am now in my life.” See character profile. Minus 5
Louise: “Weaknesses? I don’t believe I have any.” What about your failing eye sight/memory/hip? Minus 1
Dani does have some facial piercings but you can “not see them directly”. Yes, because that blasted niqab covers one of the few body parts that is constantly exposed. Minus 1
Hands up if you’ve ever been so pleased with the first place you viewed, just like Louise and Dani were. Minus 1
Louise’s train from Wexford gets into Heuston. We’ll let you find out what’s wrong with this one. Minus 10
Establishing shot of Temple Bar followed by Dani at Shebeen Chic off Dame St. Fail. Minus 5
Louise found it difficult to get from her house off George’s St to Shebeen Chic…On the same street. Come on, even country folk aren’t that stupid. Minus 1
Steven and Kevin? Them guys from the bar? Always dying to get stuck into women? Really? Minus 10
Gay Steven from Pygmalion is cool that Dani has a boyfriend. We bet he is Dani, we bet he is. Plus 1
On a broader scale, working in promotion and publishing does not necessarily make you interesting. It would have been more exciting if these girls were, oh we don’t know, the new clunge at PWC. Minus 8

taken from this rioutous read...

http://thefakest.blogspot.com/

krd · 12-11-2010 11:25pm

jtsuited wrote: »

just something on this that I've seen happen. A great band I knew well (did a few tours with them, etc.) were The Revs.
Their initial exposure completely killed any chance they had of ever being taken seriously again. I saw it with my own too eyes, as after they had made their first proper album (which trackmixstudio from here did with them), the idiot demographic didn't have any interest in anything that was other than singalong hits.

I don't know if having that 'singalong' quality is such a bad thing. If you think about it - many of Radiohead's weirdest songs are great singalong songs. It's not a bad quality to have to your music - and you can still have great music and have that quality. Nine Inch Nails closer is a great song and ****ing hilarious to sing along to. If fact the NIN songs are great sing along songs.

The more 'credible' and substantial their music became, the less people were at their gigs. They could never succeed doing what they actually wanted as they were always going to be known as the 'Wired to the Moon' band that played every student venue in this country about 3 times per month (the Blizzards did something very similar when they got going too) over the space of a year.

Well, that's the trick - and since people have stopped buying albums - where you'd listen again and again to songs until they grew on you, that didn't sound that great at first - and then you'd realise how good they were. It's harder now than it was before.

Still I don't think it's impossible. And I think the reason Ireland has more success with singer songwriters is probably because here it's the only way - the singer/songwriter can be given that much opportunity to take risks - without having a band breathing down their necks going 'how's this going to play in the UCG students union'.

They played Slane, and all manner of massive festivals all over the world as a result of their initial exposure but as soon as they decided to get down to proper stuff, they fell between the barstools of being marketed to the ignorant masses and actually being a band liked by people who actually listen to music.

The Blizzards greatest failure was in lacking credibility. And not just in the marketing. You have to show off in your music that you don't really care about being commercial (even when you do).

With credibility - there's also a supply and demand thing. If you over supply the market with your stuff, it cheapens it. I don't want to sound like some dick using pop economics. But even U2 in their early days would shy away from exposure - and it worked. Anticipation and mystique are very important. Shoving things in peoples faces turns people off.

This 'any exposure is good exposure' idea is absolute horsesh1t but if you plan on still be playing weddings and 21sts when you're grey and tubby, then your plan is flawless.

Gary Glitter is the perfect example. Every December he used to make hundreds of thousands touring the UK with his Christmas show. Gets caught with some child porn and gets massive publicity. Good bye gang tour.

krd · 12-11-2010 11:30pm

jtsuited wrote: »

Louise’s train from Wexford gets into Heuston. We’ll let you find out what’s wrong with this one. Minus 10

Was there an RTE crew out at Heuston filming this?

dav nagle · 13-11-2010 11:34pm

jtsuited wrote: »

Dedicated to Damaged

I would take fade street any day over this plant.

dav nagle · 13-11-2010 11:40pm

Jsuited: you know way too much about TV licensing, you are being deducted 1 rep point for this outrageous outburst.

I do have a confession to make though.....:(

But I am too scared to make it...:(

DamagedTrax · 13-11-2010 11:51pm

dav nagle wrote: »

Jsuited: you know way too much about TV licensing, you are being deducted 1 rep point for this outrageous outburst.

I do have a confession to make though.....:(

But I am too scared to make it...:(

you're really a woman?

dav nagle · 14-11-2010 12:15am

DamagedTrax wrote: »

you're really a woman?

Here's a hint..

DamagedTrax · 14-11-2010 12:24am

dav nagle wrote: »

Here's a hint..

you're getting married to a woman 20 years your junior? dude, thats ok for yer man above but it'll get you locked up!

jtsuited · 14-11-2010 12:26am

You're boning a welsh weatherlady cum hollywood actress?

dav nagle · 14-11-2010 12:53am

The company who made Fade Street are shooting a pilot on PSS and the highs and lows of the music business with a view to making a 6 part series. The Michael Douglas thing was a reference to all the sex addicts on this forum. So I have been slightly bias towards Fade Street as a result.

jtsuited · 14-11-2010 1:01am

dav nagle wrote: »

The company who made Fade Street are shooting a pilot on PSS and the highs and lows of the music business with a view to making a 6 part series. The Michael Douglas thing was a reference to all the sex addicts on this forum. So I have been slightly bias towards Fade Street as a result.

I fcukin knew there was a vested interest. Fcukin knew it!!!

Dav, best o luck to ya, but jesus man, tell them to up their game. the continuity errors alone in Fade St. are cringeworthy.

dav nagle · 14-11-2010 1:13am

jtsuited wrote: »

I fcukin knew there was a vested interest. Fcukin knew it!!!

Dav, best o luck to ya, but jesus man, tell them to up their game. the continuity errors alone in Fade St. are cringeworthy.

ill do my best to make it a cool show i really will :cool:

jtsuited · 14-11-2010 1:16am

if I don't see coke and hookers on my screen, I'm holding you personally responsible.

Seziertisch · 14-11-2010 9:45am

dav nagle wrote: »

The company who made Fade Street are shooting a pilot on PSS and the highs and lows of the music business with a view to making a 6 part series. The Michael Douglas thing was a reference to all the sex addicts on this forum. So I have been slightly bias towards Fade Street as a result.

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]What need you, being come to sense,
But fumble in a greasy till
And add the halfpence to the pence
And prayer to shivering prayer, until
You have dried the marrow from the bone;
For men were born to pray and save;
Romantic Ireland's dead and gone,
It's with O'Leary in the grave.[/FONT]

veruca salt · 14-11-2010 6:03pm

jtsuited wrote: »

I paid a license fee.
Its not just entertainment though. It's reminding us of the amount of complete retards are out there, and worse, that they're actually the privileged in society.

jtsuited wrote: »

whatever man, but don't ever try to imply that people telling you you're the bottom of the barrel are just haters.

jtsuited wrote: »

haha, i'd say that's the one thing people who know me would say I don't have tbh.

If you think any of what I've said is said from a place of insecurity or low self esteem, you really don't know me.

jtsuited wrote: »

Actually, I am doing the next post about the absolute bullsh1t getout clause of 'haters be hatin'. I'll make sure to mention the Irish version of it.

jtsuited wrote: »

Dav, I'm not sure how much of an academic background you have but you really haven't made any point here.

You can do what you want with your life, if you choose to put more sh1t into the world (and you know it's **** btw), fine by me. But don't be so absolutely silly to call people who rightly call it out for the dreck that it is as 'begrudgers', 'haters', etc.

jtsuited wrote: »

Erm, I'm slightly worried that so many people on this forum think the Discovery channel is some bastion of cerebral endeavour.

Oh and I'm going to do a massive U-turn on this and say how wrong I was. I have been misled about the purpose of music. I thought it was humanity's great communicative craft. The mathematics of emotion, the emotiveness of stucture.

Oh and Einstein, a few weeks back, I publicly declined an oppurtunity for a national radio station to broadcast my 'dj music' (there's a good bit about it on the clubbing forum should you need to check). You know why???
Because the terrible lowest common denominator show that would have been a vehicle for said 'exposure' would have benefitted by my involvement.

If you are interested in making money, do something that doesn't fill the world with sh1t.
Doctors, lawyers, scientists, etc, are all of far more benefit to society than another wedding covers band uncomfortably straddling the dodgy world of wedding covers bands and actual original artists with absolutely no motivation beyond 'we just want to be famous'.

Fame does not equal success, to anybody outside the demographic that Xfactor is aimed at. Or anybody with half an ounce of sense.

jtsuited wrote: »

Not my fault you had to borrow money to buy a car you can't pay for without taking whatever work's going even if it's sh1te.

Look I've done a billion and one dodgy gigs over the years to pay the bills (between playing in wedding bands, recording church choirs singing about Jesus, etc.).

jtsuited wrote: »

speaking of exposure and to illustrate a point about how to be selective about it, tonight tune in to spin 103.8 (awful station) where you'll hear one of my newest unreleased tracks being played by Barry Redsettaz (great show, great dj). btw, interestingly enough the show i was talking about earlier which I declined for a guestmix is on the same station on the same night.

jtsuited wrote: »

just something on this that I've seen happen. A great band I knew well (did a few tours with them, etc.) were The Revs.
Their initial exposure completely killed any chance they had of ever being taken seriously again. I saw it with my own too eyes, as after they had made their first proper album (which trackmixstudio from here did with them), the idiot demographic didn't have any interest in anything that was other than singalong hits.
The more 'credible' and substantial their music became, the less people were at their gigs. They could never succeed doing what they actually wanted as they were always going to be known as the 'Wired to the Moon' band that played every student venue in this country about 3 times per month (the Blizzards did something very similar when they got going too) over the space of a year.
They played Slane, and all manner of massive festivals all over the world as a result of their initial exposure but as soon as they decided to get down to proper stuff, they fell between the barstools of being marketed to the ignorant masses and actually being a band liked by people who actually listen to music.

This 'any exposure is good exposure' idea is absolute horsesh1t but if you plan on still be playing weddings and 21sts when you're grey and tubby, then your plan is flawless.

Oh please. This thread has made my eyes bleed. The sheer pomposity of the above poster is beyond sickening. Do you wear your 'I am a member of mensa' t-shirt everyday jtsuited? Or do you like to mix it up by wearing your 'I am a musician with intergrity' jumper? With all the horrific sh1t that is happening around the world and THIS is what you find offensive? And please spare us the lecture about how such commercialism is symptomatic of the very reason that humanity suffers, or how the media industry is a microcosm of the western world and so forth, there is a limit to the level of tedium I can bear. You are not the only person with an intelligience quota which has been measured as high, you are not the only person who has had some level of academic and artistic success. Take your head out of your ass. If you really want to put something good out into the world I suggest you consider bending your undeniable (but perhaps wasted due to their intrinsic link with your arrogance) talents to exploring the area of music therapy for special needs children. That won't feed your ego or allow you to name drop shamelessly but it might give you some badly need perspective.

On-topic, Fade Street is beyond embarrassing (imagine if it were picked up by the international market? :eek: ), but I hope it brings you the success you desire OP. Goodluck.

Android 666 · 14-11-2010 6:32pm

Seziertisch wrote: »

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]What need you, being come to sense,
But fumble in a greasy till
And add the halfpence to the pence
And prayer to shivering prayer, until
You have dried the marrow from the bone;
For men were born to pray and save;
Romantic Ireland's dead and gone,
It's with O'Leary in the grave.[/FONT]

We are the children who grew too fast
We are the dust of a future past
We raise our voices in the night
Crying to heaven
And will our voices be heard
Or will they Break Like The Wind
We are the footprints across the sands
We are the thumb on a stranger's hand
We made a promise in the night
Swearing to heaven Is this a promise we keep
Or one we Break Like The Wind
Hey!
We are the guests who have stayed too long
We are the end of the endless song
We send our hearts into the night
Soaring to heaven
And will out hearts still beat on
Or will they Break Like The Wind
Ooh, Break Like The Wind.

Spinal Tap

seannash · 14-11-2010 6:46pm

veruca salt wrote: »

Oh please. This thread has made my eyes bleed.

Change the channel then,Oh wait:)

DamagedTrax · 14-11-2010 6:47pm

seannash wrote: »

Change the channel then,Oh wait:)

shh... i barely got out of that alive last time :P

jtsuited · 14-11-2010 8:28pm

veruca salt wrote: »

Oh please. This thread has made my eyes bleed. The sheer pomposity of the above poster is beyond sickening. Do you wear your 'I am a member of mensa' t-shirt everyday jtsuited?

Not on a wednesday but that's only because it's in the wash.

veruca salt wrote: »

Or do you like to mix it up by wearing your 'I am a musician with intergrity' jumper? With all the horrific sh1t that is happening around the world and THIS is what you find offensive? And please spare us the lecture about how such commercialism is symptomatic of the very reason that humanity suffers, or how the media industry is a microcosm of the western world and so forth, there is a limit to the level of tedium I can bear.

A tedious argument I agree, but that does not invalidate it in any way. Anywho, you've done a good job there of summing it up. thanks.

veruca salt wrote: »

You are not the only person with an intelligience quota which has been measured as high, you are not the only person who has had some level of academic and artistic success. Take your head out of your ass. If you really want to put something good out into the world I suggest you consider bending your undeniable (but perhaps wasted due to their intrinsic link with your arrogance) talents to exploring the area of music therapy for special needs children.

Funny you mention that, as I do actually work with children (some with severe behavioural difficulties) on a weekly basis, although it's not musically related. And tbh, what you've just said there goes through my head on a constant basis. So yeah, agree 100%.

veruca salt wrote: »

That won't feed your ego or allow you to name drop shamelessly but it might give you some badly need perspective.

As you probably know, my ego isn't in need of feeding by any stretch of the imagination, and you seem to have dropped in on the one time I actually did anything remotely resembling shameless namedropping (but I can see exactly what you're saying here).

As far as perspective goes.... On a music production forum where discussion tries to be as focused and as on topic as possible, I can see how I would seem like I'm lacking in perspective.
But should you ever meet me in person, outside a music context, you'd probably hear me rant (perhaps quite misguidedly) about the unfairness of a flat tax system, the rise of the Christian right, libel reform laws, saving the rainforests, and a whole myriad of things that are infinitely more important than a couple of lads being on a sh1te TV show. But given the normal topic of conversations here about certain repeated hot topics, I thought it'd be a bit more relevant to post some eye-bleedingly narrow but relevant stuff.

I'll be the first to admit my arrogance, and I'm just letting you know that I am aware fully of everything you've said there.

Android 666 · 14-11-2010 8:32pm

Mensa, is that the organisation for mentallers?

krd · 14-11-2010 8:34pm

veruca salt wrote: »

If you really want to put something good out into the world I suggest you consider bending your undeniable (but perhaps wasted due to their intrinsic link with your arrogance) talents to exploring the area of music therapy for special needs children.

Do you think that would be really that wise. Jeff, trying to teach beat matching to special needs.

DamagedTrax · 14-11-2010 8:35pm

jtsuited wrote: »

I'll be the first to admit my arrogance

:Dframed for prosperity

krd · 14-11-2010 8:35pm

jtsuited, just call her a hater and be done with it.

Lads....Thurs Night!

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