Gold Cup 2019

chancer007 · 27-02-2019 10:19am #1

whats everyones fancy?
Am on Bellshill e/w @ 20/1
Not a great record around cheltenham but looks a better stronger horse this year.
2 of his last 3 wins in grade1's, top stable,168 rated,hoping he goes close

hard to know if Presenting Pimpernel a worthy fav!
Good luck with your selections..

RivetingRoger · 27-02-2019 10:34am

With you on Bellshill

All the noise is Ruby will pick him over Kemboy

Have percy in a few accas but i have Bellshill backed fairly large at this stage
Started in Jan and been backing him every so often since down the prices

EICVD · 27-02-2019 12:23pm

Percy wins in my opinion, I’ll be backing Shattered Love each way, maybe a small bet on road to respect purely because I had him last year.

akelly02 · 27-02-2019 12:54pm

thistlecrack each way

might do might bite ew on the off chance nicky can switch up the chemicals and get him back

longshotvalue · 27-02-2019 1:22pm

Myte byte for me at the prices .

Peintre Celebre · 27-02-2019 2:24pm

The Storyteller

Gavin "shels" · 27-02-2019 2:26pm

Clan Des...

Will be having an each way on Road to Respect, fancied him for the Irish.

Joe_ Public · 27-02-2019 2:36pm

Will back frodon if it runs, hope it does. Expect Percy to drift a fair bit and might easily end up investing on the day.

IAMAMORON · 27-02-2019 2:44pm

I think it is shaping up to be one of the most competitive races of the festival. Which can only be a good thing. I honestly feel that any of the top 10 in the betting are potential winners.

For me the current best value is Elegant Escape at 25's in places. He won the Welsh National of 11st8, which is above average to be fair. He stays and stays which the winner will need to. My only concern would be if they crawled early and it turned into a quick finish, it would go against him. He is just an all day plodder for me, but that works if he can keep up with a good strong early gallop.

I have mentioned in earlier posts that I think Presenting Percy's price is ludicrous. It still is, even if he wins by 10 lengths. That will be all.

https://www.oddschecker.com/cheltenham-festival/cheltenham-gold-cup/winner

RivetingRoger · 27-02-2019 3:03pm

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I think it is shaping up to be one of the most competitive races of the festival. Which can only be a good thing. I honestly feel that any of the top 10 in the betting are potential winners.

For me the current best value is Elegant Escape at 25's in places. He won the Welsh National of 11st8, which is above average to be fair. He stays and stays which the winner will need to. My only concern would be if they crawled early and it turned into a quick finish, it would go against him. He is just an all day plodder for me, but that works if he can keep up with a good strong early gallop.

I have mentioned in earlier posts that I think Presenting Percy's price is ludicrous. It still is, even if he wins by 10 lengths. That will be all.

https://www.oddschecker.com/cheltenham-festival/cheltenham-gold-cup/winner

That just makes NO sense :rolleyes:

IAMAMORON · 27-02-2019 3:27pm

RivetingRoger wrote: »

That just makes NO sense :rolleyes:

What I am saying here is that he can win the gold cup all he wants at his current price and I won't be backing him, even if he turns out to be the best horse in the race. I have said before his preparation does not fit an adequate profile for a bet which I would like to make. There will be better 7/2 shots next week to have my money on.

Charlie George · 27-02-2019 3:29pm

Road to respect, a value bet at 20/1

NaiveMelodies · 27-02-2019 3:49pm

Elegant escape to place. Straight forecast with Percy. Easy.

zpehtsfd · 27-02-2019 4:10pm

Anibale Fly to outstay them all up the hill. He'll need it soft though. GL

Motivator · 28-02-2019 12:27am

zpehtsfd wrote: »

Anibale Fly to outstay them all up the hill. He'll need it soft though. GL

Apparently rain is forecast for the week, if there’s rain then it’ll soften it up for him. I wouldn’t be too worried about the ground though, he was ridden for a place last year and I think if they ran the race again they’d fancy their chances. I think he has a great shout in a poor enough race to be quite honest.

2ndcoming · 28-02-2019 12:31am

Percy beat Elegant Escape by 14 lengths in the RSA so it would be some turnaround for him to place and Percy not win...

NaiveMelodies · 28-02-2019 9:27am

2ndcoming wrote: »

Percy beat Elegant Escape by 14 lengths in the RSA so it would be some turnaround for him to place and Percy not win...

Percy win/EE 2nd was what I meant!

IAMAMORON · 28-02-2019 10:28am

2ndcoming wrote: »

Percy beat Elegant Escape by 14 lengths in the RSA so it would be some turnaround for him to place and Percy not win...

I agwee. But do remember that last years RSA was run on heavy ground. This may not have suited all the horses in the race.

Elegant Escape has gone on to run 5 times since then, winning over £ 180k in the process. He was placed in a Hennessy and won a Welsh national. He is available at 25/1.

Percy has since run 1 hurdle race, beating in fairness some decent types by a few lengths. He has not jumped a fence in anger in over a year. He will need to meet the hype, especially at 7/2.

Slattsy · 28-02-2019 10:39am

When PP was 6/1 or 7/1 during the off season he was the one for me, but I never backed him. But I obviously thought at the time he'd had a few fences jumped by GC time!! But he's not a3/1 or 7/2 shot. (Though I do have him in one treble)

The drift is already happening, helped by CDO recent wins. And he could well drift further. 5s or big come the day isn't impossible, bookies will be out to get him.

RivetingRoger · 28-02-2019 11:24am

The Elegant Escape talk is madness!!!
There isn't a hope in hell that handicapper wins the GC beating Percy or Clan in the process
Ye mad!!

Felexicon · 28-02-2019 12:20pm

Was at a preview night last night with Davy Russell on the panel.

I thought he would be a lot sweeter on PP when it came around to talking about the GC. He said it would be a huge accomplishment if he could make the step up but thinks he has the potential to do it.

Andy McNamara was talking up Native River. Says the horse is too stupid to realise when it's out of gas and you need a bit of that when going at GC pace.

Daraa · 28-02-2019 12:29pm

Felexicon wrote: »

Was at a preview night last night with Davy Russell on the panel.

I thought he would be a lot sweeter on PP when it came around to talking about the GC. He said it would be a huge accomplishment if he could make the step up but thinks he has the potential to do it.

Andy McNamara was talking up Native River. Says the horse is too stupid to realise when it's out of gas and you need a bit of that when going at GC pace.

Was at the same one. Was an enjoyable evening. Always enjoy Dunphy even if he knew nothing

RivetingRoger · 28-02-2019 9:31pm

Percy jumping fences around ballybrit

Motivator · 28-02-2019 10:52pm

RivetingRoger wrote: »

Percy jumping fences around ballybrit

Must be some horse to be doing that at 8.30 in the evening!

HarshOstrich · 28-02-2019 10:53pm

RivetingRoger wrote: »

Percy jumping fences around ballybrit

No need to worry anymore, himself and mall dini I would imagine.

Morleystreet · 01-03-2019 8:17pm

Motivator wrote: »

Apparently rain is forecast for the week, if there’s rain then it’ll soften it up for him. I wouldn’t be too worried about the ground though, he was ridden for a place last year and I think if they ran the race again they’d fancy their chances. I think he has a great shout in a poor enough race to be quite honest.

Anibale Fly for me too. Stayed on well up hill last year and while about 8L behind, the front 2 were just brilliant that day. MB doesn't look same horse this year. Really liked AF recent run against monalee. Thought he might just pop around to finish 4th of 4, but ran a serious race and impressed he finished that close over the shorter trip. NR will run his usual good race but at the prices AF the one for me.

zpehtsfd · 01-03-2019 10:16pm

Motivator wrote: »

Apparently rain is forecast for the week, if there’s rain then it’ll soften it up for him. I wouldn’t be too worried about the ground though, he was ridden for a place last year and I think if they ran the race again they’d fancy their chances. I think he has a great shout in a poor enough race to be quite honest.

Agree but would rate his chance much higher with soft going. Was on him for the GN last year. The poor horse must have covered over 5 miles. Geraghty riding with more confidence this year i think. GL

Motivator · 02-03-2019 12:29am

zpehtsfd wrote: »

Agree but would rate his chance much higher with soft going. Was on him for the GN last year. The poor horse must have covered over 5 miles. Geraghty riding with more confidence this year i think. GL

I think he’ll be ridden with more confidence this time around. I do think Barry gave him a good ride last year, he probably thought the front two would come back to the field once they started up the hill. If he had been a bit closer turning in who knows what would have happened - he hammered home up the hill. He’s a knocking bet ew. Native River not guaranteed to turn up in the same form and I think he’d outbattle anything bar Native River.

Doctors room ghost · 02-03-2019 12:32am

GO On The Percy

Motivator · 02-03-2019 12:46am

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

GO On The Percy

If there’s one thing he’s guaranteed in the Gold Cup it’s a battle and the only time he’s had one of those over fences was in Gowran against Our Duke and he got outbattled. There’s hardier horses than him in the Gold Cup and I don’t think many people have even thought about this. Don’t even get me started on the preparation - the horse won’t know what’s hit him in the Gold Cup.

Pat Kelly is obviously a serious man but I think he’s made some balls of this.

BumperD · 02-03-2019 12:50am

Motivator wrote: »

If there’s one thing he’s guaranteed in the Gold Cup it’s a battle and the only time he’s had one of those over fences was in Gowran against Our Duke and he got outbattled. There’s hardier horses than him in the Gold Cup and I don’t think many people have even thought about this. Don’t even get me started on the preparation - the horse won’t know what’s hit him in the Gold Cup.

Pat Kelly is obviously a serious man but I think he’s made some balls of this.

Who do you see battling with him if they turn for home ?

Doctors room ghost · 02-03-2019 12:51am

Motivator wrote: »

If there’s one thing he’s guaranteed in the Gold Cup it’s a battle and the only time he’s had one of those over fences was in Gowran against Our Duke and he got outbattled. There’s hardier horses than him in the Gold Cup and I don’t think many people have even thought about this. Don’t even get me started on the preparation - the horse won’t know what’s hit him in the Gold Cup.

Pat Kelly is obviously a serious man but I think he’s made some balls of this.

It’s a strange one and in all honesty I think he got the wrapped in cotton wool treatment way too early on without being battle hardened but part of me would love it if he won.would be great to see a local horse win it and there’s a good few bets on him in his locality

gillamandango · 02-03-2019 12:33pm

There was a fair few bets locally on Tin Soldier (all of Athenry was the story) and look how that turned out. There could be a fair whack of money done on the Reynolds horses this year if Percy doesn't come in..It will be a long few days yet until he's on the boat so fingers crossed.

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

It’s a strange one and in all honesty I think he got the wrapped in cotton wool treatment way too early on without being battle hardened but part of me would love it if he won.would be great to see a local horse win it and there’s a good few bets on him in his locality

IAMAMORON · 03-03-2019 3:27pm

Doctors room ghost · 03-03-2019 6:16pm

Motivator wrote: »

Must be some horse to be doing that at 8.30 in the evening!

Get today’s Sunday independent page 12 sports section.percy was jumping in ballybrit and the staff had the jumps turned so he got a left hander training session in.

RivetingRoger · 08-03-2019 9:12pm

Noel Meade just on RTV talking to KOR likes Bellshill for the GC

NaiveMelodies · 08-03-2019 9:37pm

RivetingRoger wrote: »

Noel Meade just on RTV talking to KOR likes Bellshill for the GC

Course he does!

piplip87 · 08-03-2019 10:28pm

Thistlecrack is fairly flying under the Radar here. Was 12 lengths ahead of Native River in the King George. May have lacked the bit of pace over 3 Miles, There's been nothing between Native River, Thistlecrack and Clan Des Obeaux in the two meetings this season. The extra 2F and the hill could swing it for Thistlecrack.

Clan Des Obeaux has no course form to suggest a Gold Cup winner.

Thistlecrack EW at 16s is a very smart bet.

I'm going three hadned for the Gold cup this year. I also have Bellshill and Shattered love done. Percy is far to short to have anything on him.

JP Liz V1 · 09-03-2019 12:04am

Kemboy e/w

Francie Barrett · 09-03-2019 12:45am

Bellshill at 14/1 is about the best value I can see at the present moment. Frankly I am amazed that Presenting Percy is favourite for this race, with that said, I would be happy enough for the people involved if he did it.

Charlie George · 09-03-2019 1:47am

RivetingRoger wrote: »

Noel Meade just on RTV talking to KOR likes Bellshill for the GC

Wtf, rtr would have beat Bellshill handy if his jumping was better, if meade thinks Bellshill wins the gc why isn't rtr running in it as well, makes no sense, only the muppet brothers want to win there own race.
Shocking.

handsfree2 · 09-03-2019 11:17am

I've backed elegant escape. There was plenty not to like with his run at the Cheltenham trial day. His jumping was patchy at times and of course frodon beat him. But what I did like about him was that he kept on up the hill and if there was another furlong he would have won.

I reckon he'll come on heaps for that run and with question marks over all the market principles, I'm happy enough to be compensated by his price.

RivetingRoger · 09-03-2019 11:42am

piplip87 wrote: »

Thistlecrack is fairly flying under the Radar here. Was 12 lengths ahead of Native River in the King George. May have lacked the bit of pace over 3 Miles, There's been nothing between Native River, Thistlecrack and Clan Des Obeaux in the two meetings this season. The extra 2F and the hill could swing it for Thistlecrack.

Clan Des Obeaux has no course form to suggest a Gold Cup winner.

Thistlecrack EW at 16s is a very smart bet.

I'm going three hadned for the Gold cup this year. I also have Bellshill and Shattered love done. Percy is far to short to have anything on him.

Have Thistlecrack and Bellshill backed since January EW
Been lumping on Bellshill every week since

RivetingRoger · 09-03-2019 11:44am

Charlie George wrote: »

Wtf, rtr would have beat Bellshill handy if his jumping was better, if meade thinks Bellshill wins the gc why isn't rtr running in it as well, makes no sense, only the muppet brothers want to win there own race.
Shocking.

Go have a word with yourself....

JUMPING is what wins a GC, now....re read what you said...........

Jesus Wept

corkboy38 · 10-03-2019 7:05pm

Apologies if this is not allowed here. I had planned to travel over for gold cup day but can no longer do so. I'm willing to let my club ticket go for €60 delivered if anyone is in need of a ticket? Don't want to see it go to waste.

Charlie George · 10-03-2019 7:09pm

RivetingRoger wrote: »

Go have a word with yourself....

JUMPING is what wins a GC, now....re read what you said...........

Jesus Wept

My point being Roger that he usually jumps well and if he jumps well in Cheltenham could win.

dk6dk6 · 10-03-2019 7:10pm

Poorest renewal of the Gold Cup quality wise in living memory in my opinion.

jkbkhhho7t · 10-03-2019 7:15pm

dk6dk6 wrote: »

Poorest renewal of the Gold Cup quality wise in living memory in my opinion.

Haven't been watching racing for long then

Motivator · 10-03-2019 7:16pm

dk6dk6 wrote: »

Poorest renewal of the Gold Cup quality wise in living memory in my opinion.

True but it’s one of the races I’m looking forward to all week. Whatever happens there will be a nice story out of it. Willie could finally win it, Presenting Percy can’t win it but if he does then it’ll be some story and Native River could do the double.

It could turn out to be one of the best races of the week and that’s all anyone wants. I know it’s the Gold Cup and it should be the best of the best lining up but I’m looking forward to seeing an exciting race develop.

dk6dk6 · 10-03-2019 8:17pm

jkbkhhho7t wrote: »

Haven't been watching racing for long then

Really?? I see people not entitled to an opinion on here anymore when there so many clowns around. It’s a terrible gold cup this year quality wise hence the favourite hasn’t even ran over fences this season.

dk6dk6 · 10-03-2019 8:18pm

Motivator wrote: »

True but it’s one of the races I’m looking forward to all week. Whatever happens there will be a nice story out of it. Willie could finally win it, Presenting Percy can’t win it but if he does then it’ll be some story and Native River could do the double.

It could turn out to be one of the best races of the week and that’s all anyone wants. I know it’s the Gold Cup and it should be the best of the best lining up but I’m looking forward to seeing an exciting race develop.

I agree it is one of the most interesting races of the week and it’s very hard to pick a winner.

Gold Cup 2019

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