Incident at Roscommon hotel (asylum seekers)

Ultimate Seduction · 12-02-2019 12:29am #1

Breaking on twitter. Guards have building and surrounding area sealed off as crime scene. Fire brigade there too but no fire. Googled the hotel because its disused, but its home to a load of asylum seekers.

Any news?

kenmc · 12-02-2019 12:37am

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/fire-strikes-rooskey-asylum-seeker-hotel-for-second-time-in-a-month-37806931.html

That's a fierce unlucky place by the sound of it. Asylum seekers would be taking their lives into their hands moving in there...

Harry Palmr · 12-02-2019 12:40am

The insurance angle might be worth looking at.

Dakotabigone · 12-02-2019 12:41am

The gallon of petrol was just resting in my account.

elperello · 12-02-2019 12:43am

It's a shame really.
It was a lovely hotel.
The food was good and a beautiful location on the Shannon.

Dakotabigone · 12-02-2019 12:44am

elperello wrote: »

It's a shame really.
It was a lovely hotel.
The food was good and a beautiful location on the Shannon.

Did they do a carvery?

Ultimate Seduction · 12-02-2019 12:45am

Harry Palmr wrote: »

The insurance angle might be worth looking at.

Or maybe locals don't want 80 odd asylum seekers in there village so are trying to burn the hotel Down to stop it?

elperello · 12-02-2019 12:46am

Dakotabigone wrote: »

Did they do a carvery?

Yes, flame grilled a house specialty

ED E · 12-02-2019 12:46am

The US could drop a few MOABs on Roscommon and it'd be no loss to the country.

Noveight · 12-02-2019 12:50am

Pretty shítty carry-on from those responsible. Can’t see past the end of their own nose.

Dakotabigone · 12-02-2019 12:52am

I visited Roscommon once

Gimme A Pound · 12-02-2019 12:54am

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

Or maybe locals don't want 80 odd asylum seekers in there village so are trying to burn the hotel Down to stop it?

Whatever their views, which they are entitled to, setting fire to a building is utterly scummy. The explanation is not an excuse. The emergency services, which probably have to bring reinforcements on board from a larger town, are tied up by it - hopefully there isn't another such serious incident occurring at the same time. There are residences and businesses nearby, smoke damage, scorched ground, high financial costs. Defending your town by setting fire to a building is a hell of a twisting of logic.

12-02-2019 12:54am

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

Or maybe locals don't want 80 odd asylum seekers in there village so are trying to burn the hotel Down to stop it?

What reason do they have for not wanting asylum seekers?

Mrsmum · 12-02-2019 12:54am

Dakotabigone wrote: »

I visited Roscommon once

Isn't Rooskey in Leitrim.

elperello · 12-02-2019 12:57am

Mrsmum wrote: »

Isn't Rooskey in Leitrim.

The hotel is in Leitrim but the bigger part of the town/village is in Roscommon.
The Shannon is the boundary.

Gimme A Pound · 12-02-2019 12:58am

bubblypop wrote: »

What reason do they have for not wanting asylum seekers?

Would it not make more sense for asylum seekers to be housed in Dublin or Cork or Galway, where there are more resources, rather than a tiny economic blackspot in the middle of nowhere?

Robert Wolfe · 12-02-2019 12:59am

bubblypop wrote: »

What reason do they have for not wanting asylum seekers?

Crime. Look at Sweden and Germany. Majority of rapists in Sweden are migrants. That's why no one wants these asylum ***** in their town.

Dakotabigone · 12-02-2019 1:00am

Robert Wolfe wrote: »

Crime. Look at Sweden and Germany. Majority of rapists in Sweden are migrants. That's why no one wants these asylum ***** in their town.

We can’t be saying that on the internet.

Berserker · 12-02-2019 1:01am

bubblypop wrote: »

What reason do they have for not wanting asylum seekers?

Bog standard racism is my guess.

Gimme A Pound · 12-02-2019 1:02am

Robert Wolfe wrote: »

Crime. Look at Sweden and Germany. Majority of rapists in Sweden are migrants. That's why no one wants these asylum ***** in their town.

Asylum seekers often aren't the same as migrants though - I don't know that there would be a high level of crime from them but I can certainly understand the concerns over cultural barriers and the lack of facilities, lack of English classes, lack of jobs, and just the fact that these are small communities that are stretched enough as it is.

Gimme A Pound · 12-02-2019 1:03am

Berserker wrote: »

Bog standard racism is my guess.

More nuanced than that.

Mad_maxx · 12-02-2019 1:04am

Adaline Ancient Headboard wrote: »

Would it not make more sense for asylum seekers to be housed in Dublin or Cork or Galway, where there are more resources, rather than a tiny economic blackspot in the middle of nowhere?

Indeed, connacht folk hate everyone from as far away as the next parish, never mind Syria

Robert Wolfe · 12-02-2019 1:07am

Adaline Ancient Headboard wrote: »

Asylum seekers often aren't the same as migrants though - I don't know that there would be a high level of crime from them but I can certainly understand the concerns over cultural barriers and the lack of facilities, lack of English classes, lack of jobs, and just the fact that these are small communities that are stretched enough as it is.

In Freiburg in Germany a bunch of Syrians gang raped an 18 year old girl outside a nightclub. Dragged her into the bushes and raped her. And then the quisling scumfuk German politicians announce a few days later they still won't deport Syrians, no matter what crimes they commit.

Being an asylum seeker does not automatically make you a good person.

Gimme A Pound · 12-02-2019 1:12am

Robert Wolfe wrote: »

Being an asylum seeker does not automatically make you a good person.

Indeed not, but some folk with young kids are fleeing genuine horror. Women and children who face the same fate as that poor German girl, and terrorised men too - I would like it if this country could help some of them out. But I am not dismissing your concern either. It's a quandary.

Robert Wolfe · 12-02-2019 1:17am

Adaline Ancient Headboard wrote: »

Indeed not, but some folk with young kids are fleeing genuine horror. Women and children who face the same fate as that poor German girl, and terrorised men too - I would like it if this country could help some of them out. But I am not dismissing your concern either. It's a quandary.

I get you but look, RTE news had a piece recently on some camp in Greece. We were told the women in camp dare not use the bathrooms at night, they wear nappies. So there's some serious scum in that camp. How do you keep that out?

It's one thing to welcome in women and children and families, but more likely we're getting young men from God knows where.

Mrsmum · 12-02-2019 1:20am

I think the elephant in the room we're not supposed to speak about for fear of being labelled racist is that men from those countries where asylum seekers/migrants come from just have very poor attitudes regarding western women. To all women probably but they can dominate their own women, The sight of the freedoms women in this part of the world have, I think, can be an affront to these men.

The Satanist · 12-02-2019 1:24am

Ahhh the internet; where we dare not speak about migrants but have already convicted "the locals" of arson.

Robert Wolfe · 12-02-2019 1:25am

Mrsmum wrote: »

I think the elephant in the room we're not supposed to speak about for fear of being labelled racist is that men from those countries where asylum seekers/migrants come from just have very poor attitudes regarding western women. To all women probably but they can dominate their own women, The sight of the freedoms women in this part of the world have, I think, can be an affront to these men.

If anyone ever calls you a racist for raising that concern, just ask them how many German women were attacked on NYE.

At least 1200 according to the German police.

GinAndBitter · 12-02-2019 1:31am

Robert Wolfe wrote: »

If anyone ever calls you a racist for raising that concern, just ask them how many German women were attacked on NYE.

At least 1200 according to the German police.

I also seen they have "safe zones" now at large events in Germany to protect women from sex attacks.

Mrsmum · 12-02-2019 1:37am

I always remember a documentary I saw about a girl in India who was gang raped and destroyed by about six guys. I think it was quite a big global news story. Anyway the news crew were interviewing the men that did the crime for the programme and their absolute and total attitude to her was that because she was out on her own, she clearly wasn't a good, reputable girl and so why wouldn't they rape her kind of thing. I would fear that attitude would be common among the men getting asylum here.

Arghus · 12-02-2019 1:39am

Mrsmum wrote: »

I think the elephant in the room we're not supposed to speak about for fear of being labelled racist is that men from those countries where asylum seekers/migrants come from just have very poor attitudes regarding western women. To all women probably but they can dominate their own women, The sight of the freedoms women in this part of the world have, I think, can be an affront to these men.

You mean the elephant in the room that people are always talking about here? Or to be more accurate spend most of their time talking about how they can't talk about it here?

Gimme A Pound · 12-02-2019 1:41am

Mrsmum wrote: »

I always remember a documentary I saw about a girl in India who was gang raped and destroyed by about six guys. I think it was quite a big global news story. Anyway the news crew were interviewing the men that did the crime for the programme and their absolute and total attitude to her was that because she was out on her own, she clearly wasn't a good, reputable girl and so why wouldn't they rape her kind of thing.

That case was just...

:mad:

Not that it didn't deserve every bit of the condemnation it got, but it only made headlines in India and spread elsewhere because she was wealthy. People of lower castes haven't a hope.

Gimme A Pound · 12-02-2019 1:42am

Arghus wrote: »

You mean the elephant in the room that people are always talking about here? Or to be more accurate spend most of their time talking about how they can't talk about it here?

I think Mrsmum means the traditional media though.

Geuze · 12-02-2019 1:47am

bubblypop wrote: »

What reason do they have for not wanting asylum seekers?

Many AS in Ireland are bogus.

They are illegal immigrants, many of them are illegal Asian male immigrants.

Look up Operation Vantage.

The IT today reported that at last

"A clampdown on illegal immigration, especially organised scams such as sham marriages, has resulted in a very significant increase in the number of residency permits being refused or revoked.

The number of deportation orders being signed has also increased.

The Department of Justice said an “organised and concerted attempt to abuse the system” had been targeted."

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/residency-permit-refusals-rise-after-sham-marriage-clampdown-1.3788972

Hundreds, if not thousands, of illegal immigrants from Asia have entered Ireland.

Nobody wants these criminals in their towns.

Geuze · 12-02-2019 1:50am

bubblypop wrote: »

What reason do they have for not wanting asylum seekers?

Genuine refugees are welcome.

Note that up to half of AS are fleeing where...............the UK!!!

They are not genuine refugees, they are economic migrants.

They are a drain on our taxes, and are not welcome.

Direct Provision should be ended, and these bogus AS should be deported asap.

Geuze · 12-02-2019 1:52am

Robert Wolfe wrote: »

Being an asylum seeker does not automatically make you a good person.

As most AS in Ireland are illegal immigrants, they are by definition criminals.

Dakotabigone · 12-02-2019 1:52am

We need more social housing. Leo needs to wake up.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 12-02-2019 2:03am

The asylum process might be a mess but this arson is attempted mass murder. Throw the book at them.

Geuze · 12-02-2019 2:07am

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

The asylum process might be a mess but this arson is attempted mass murder. Throw the book at them.

Can it be attempted murder, as the building is empty of people?

Arson yes, but attempted murder?

Surely homocide requires the presence of a victim?

Dakotabigone · 12-02-2019 2:08am

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

The asylum process might be a mess but this arson is attempted mass murder. Throw the book at them.

Mass murder of concrete blocks and 4x2?

donkeykong5 · 12-02-2019 2:16am

Dakotabigone wrote: »

We need more social housing. Leo needs to wake up.

Leave off poor old photo shoot Leo. He though he was 40 ....but now has just discovered hes really 53.

Dakotabigone · 12-02-2019 2:20am

Geuze wrote: »

Can it be attempted murder, as the building is empty of people?

Arson yes, but attempted murder?

Surely homocide requires the presence of a victim?

Watching Back to back csi does crazy things.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 12-02-2019 2:24am

Dakotabigone wrote: »

Watching Back to back csi does crazy things.

Nope. The original post says it was home to asylum seekers.

IngazZagni · 12-02-2019 2:38am

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Nope. The original post says it was home to asylum seekers.

It has been earmarked for direct provision but is currently empty.

Arson is disgraceful behaviour. I can however feel the frustration of locals. It's absolute madness to locate something like that in this location. Such a small town. What will these people do in a place like this? It's a disaster waiting to happen. These direct provision centres need to be located in larger population centres to give them a better chance to integrate into the community and better understand our culture.

Richard Hillman · 12-02-2019 3:03am

Why don't they just ask the people of Roosky if they actually want a Direct Provision centre in their town in a private ballot? Are they afraid that they may not get the answer they want?

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 12-02-2019 5:25am

IngazZagni wrote: »

It has been earmarked for direct provision but is currently empty.

Arson is disgraceful behaviour. I can however feel the frustration of locals. It's absolute madness to locate something like that in this location. Such a small town. What will these people do in a place like this? It's a disaster waiting to happen. These direct provision centres need to be located in larger population centres to give them a better chance to integrate into the community and better understand our culture.

But there are already asylum seekers being housed in small towns in Ireland. Has it been a disaster in these places?

Ultimate Seduction · 12-02-2019 5:58am

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

But there are already asylum seekers being housed in small towns in Ireland. Has it been a disaster in these places?

Can you share a link or source of which towns with a similar population and how many moved in to the same building?

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 12-02-2019 7:02am

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

Can you share a link or source of which towns with a similar population and how many moved in to the same building?

Ah, sure.

Information contained within the articles.

Ballyhaunis (pop. ~2,300) https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/discover/meet-the-most-cosmopolitan-small-town-in-ireland-ballyhaunis-co-mayo-799532.html

Ballaghadereen (pop. ~1,800) - there’s been issues here re: resources. But I’ve no idea if there’s been any increase in crime. https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/one-year-on-ballaghaderreen-and-refugees-let-down-by-state-1.3461087%3fmode=amp

I’m just surprised that some people responding to this thread - displaying an interest in the topic - didn’t know that there are already small towns in Ireland housing not insubstantial numbers of asylum-seekers. The news sources are hardly obscure. The two above towns are bigger than Rooskey but are still very small towns.

Fann Linn · 12-02-2019 8:03am

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Ah, sure.

Information contained within the articles.

Ballyhaunis (pop. ~2,300) https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/discover/meet-the-most-cosmopolitan-small-town-in-ireland-ballyhaunis-co-mayo-799532.html

Ballaghadereen (pop. ~1,800) - there’s been issues here re: resources. But I’ve no idea if there’s been any increase in crime. https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/one-year-on-ballaghaderreen-and-refugees-let-down-by-state-1.3461087%3fmode=amp

I’m just surprised that some people responding to this thread - displaying an interest in the topic - didn’t know that there are already small towns in Ireland housing not insubstantial numbers of asylum-seekers. The news sources are hardly obscure. The two above towns are bigger than Rooskey but are still very small towns.

Both of those towns are quite larger than Roosky and have far more services and facilities.

NIMAN · 12-02-2019 8:22am

Sad to see these hotels getting attacked, and I say that as someone who lives within 15min of the one in Donegal.

I watched the final part of the 3 part series on the EU last night, and to see the plight of these asylum seekers is heart breaking. How desperate are these people to walk hundreds of miles, sleep in camps, risk their lives on overcrowded boats just to try to get a better life for them and their families.

Ireland have taken such a small number, it really shouldn't be an issue.

Fann Linn · 12-02-2019 8:23am

NIMAN wrote: »

Sad to see these hotels getting attacked, and I say that as someone who lives within 15min of the one in Donegal.

I watched the final part of the 3 part series on the EU last night, and to see the plight of these asylum seekers is heart breaking. How desperate are these people to walk hundreds of miles, sleep in camps, risk their lives on overcrowded boats just to try to get a better life for them and their families.

Ireland have taken such a small number, it really shouldn't be an issue.

There is a difference between asylum seekers and refugees.

Incident at Roscommon hotel (asylum seekers)

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