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The Ever Failing Justice system

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    #62
    SocSocPol
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,043 ✭✭✭SocSocPol


    juan.kerr wrote: »
    Cop on. It was clearly hypothetical.
    No, it was a clear and unequivical accusation aimed at a person currently before the courts and whose case is sub-judice.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sub_judice

    In law, sub judice, Latin for "under judgment", means that a particular case or matter is currently under trial or being considered by a judge or court. The term may be used synonymously with "the present case" or "the case at bar" by some lawyers.

    In England and Wales, Ireland, New Zealand, Australia, it is generally considered inappropriate to comment publicly on cases sub judice, which can be an offence in itself, leading to contempt of court proceedings. This is particularly true in criminal cases, where publicly discussing cases sub judice may constitute interference with due process


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    #63
    Gee Bag
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭Gee Bag


    talla10 wrote: »
    Ah the PC brigade!! My least favourite group. Sure let's not believe the facts of a case as outlined by a guard sure I was stopped by a guard once for breaking a red light and it was only yellow!!

    Ah give him bail sure he's innocent toll proven guilty even though in his bail objection the prosecution said there is CCTV evidence & a full confession was made.

    Ah he's only a childer sure he didn't know what he did was wrong.

    25 convictions in children's court? Sure all he wants is a hug!

    Whilst victims on this country have to struggle with the memory and in some cases rebuild their lives after an awful crime the offenders are laughing behind these gob****es backs protected by lax laws, no prison space and kind judges.

    I can only hope the PC brigade or their family never suffer at the hands of these animals. There is no justice for victims of crime in this country.

    Whatever Batman.


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    #64
    juan.kerr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,766 ✭✭✭juan.kerr


    SocSocPol wrote: »
    No, it was a clear and unequivical accusation aimed at a person currently before the courts and whose case is sub-judice.

    I think you have confused yourself. 5 minutes ago it was fact now it's an accusation.


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    #65
    talla10
    Registered Users Posts: 1,117 ✭✭✭talla10


    [/QUOTE]Whatever Batman.[/Quote]

    Yes you've certainly countered my arguement with your compelling facts and persuasive language.


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    #66
    Gee Bag
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭Gee Bag


    Yes you've certainly countered my arguement with your compelling facts and persuasive language

    You didn't have an argument, you had a rant.


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    #67
    SocSocPol
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,043 ✭✭✭SocSocPol


    Whatever Batman.[/Quote]

    Yes you've certainly countered my arguement with your compelling facts and persuasive language.[/QUOTE]

    Ranting does not constitute an arguement, therfore no arguement has been made in oreder to be countered.


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    #68
    juan.kerr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,766 ✭✭✭juan.kerr


    SocSocPol wrote: »
    No, it was a clear and unequivical accusation aimed at a person currently before the courts and whose case is sub-judice.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sub_judice

    In law, sub judice, Latin for "under judgment", means that a particular case or matter is currently under trial or being considered by a judge or court. The term may be used synonymously with "the present case" or "the case at bar" by some lawyers.

    In England and Wales, Ireland, New Zealand, Australia, it is generally considered inappropriate to comment publicly on cases sub judice, which can be an offence in itself, leading to contempt of court proceedings. This is particularly true in criminal cases, where publicly discussing cases sub judice may constitute interference with due process

    Nice ninja edit there.


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    #69
    talla10
    Registered Users Posts: 1,117 ✭✭✭talla10


    SocSocPol wrote: »
    Whatever Batman.

    Yes you've certainly countered my arguement with your compelling facts and persuasive language.[/QUOTE]

    Ranting does not constitute an arguement, therfore no arguement has been made in oreder to be countered.[/Quote]

    I did make an arguement I stated that victims of crime get no justice. Again well countered. You misspelt 'Therefore' and 'order' as well.


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    #70
    juan.kerr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,766 ✭✭✭juan.kerr


    No doubt he'll get off anyway because he comes from a broken home and he was addicted to crack cocaine from the age of 4 etc.


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    #71
    SocSocPol
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,043 ✭✭✭SocSocPol


    juan.kerr wrote: »
    Nice ninja edit there.
    No citation was required for Ireland , any edit I made was to make the piece consise.
    Still waiting for you to withdraw your accusations regarding a person before the coourts and your claim that they are intending to intimidate witnesses in order to pervert the course of Justice.


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    #72
    juan.kerr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,766 ✭✭✭juan.kerr


    SocSocPol wrote: »
    No citation was required for Ireland , any edit I made was to make the piece consise.
    Still waiting for you to withdraw your accusations regarding a person before the coourts and your claim that they are intending to intimidate witnesses in order to pervert the course of Justice.

    Still waiting for you to realise it was a hypothetical post.


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    #73
    Gee Bag
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭Gee Bag


    talla10 wrote: »
    I did make an arguement I stated that victims of crime get no justice. Again well countered. You misspelt 'Therefore' and 'order' as well.

    You did not discuss any of the preceeding 60 odd posts, you outlined a number of hypothetical scenarios and wittered on about the PC-brigade. Generalisations like the victims of crime get no justice are complete nonsense.

    as for minor debating points, you should perhaps learn how to use the quote button properly before pointing out spelling mistakes (no one likes grammar nazis)


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    #74
    SocSocPol
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,043 ✭✭✭SocSocPol


    talla10 wrote: »
    Yes you've certainly countered my arguement with your compelling facts and persuasive language.

    Ranting does not constitute an arguement, therfore no arguement has been made in oreder to be countered.[/Quote]

    I did make an arguement I stated that victims of crime get no justice. Again well countered. You misspelt 'Therefore' and 'order' as well.[/QUOTE]
    I suggest you read the Charter re " Grammar Nazis". Post reported.


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    #75
    SocSocPol
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,043 ✭✭✭SocSocPol


    juan.kerr wrote: »
    Still waiting for you to realise it was a hypothetical post.
    And when he threatens the witnesses and they refuse to testify he'll walk free.

    Nothing hypothical there, just a straightforward accusation of what you claim he will do.


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    #76
    juan.kerr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,766 ✭✭✭juan.kerr


    SocSocPol wrote: »
    And when he threatens the witnesses and they refuse to testify he'll walk free.

    Nothing hypothical there, just a straightforward accusation of what you claim he will do.

    Rubbish. But at least you have convinced yourself.


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    #77
    SocSocPol
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,043 ✭✭✭SocSocPol


    juan.kerr wrote: »
    Rubbish. But at least you have convinced yourself.
    It is never worth arguing with someone who cant even at a basic level understand the actual meaning of their own posts.
    I would suggest,for the purpose of clarification that you look up the meaning of hypothetical.
    Finished with this part of the thread.


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    #78
    BillyMitchel
    Registered Users Posts: 3,324 ✭✭✭BillyMitchel


    Gee Bag wrote: »
    Ray Palmer wrote: »
    Yeah that sounds like a cheap easy solution. Can't see any reason to carry a knife.

    I usually a swiss army knife or a leatherman multi-tool in my pocket for work, fishing, etc.

    Does this mean I should go to prison for six months because renowned international legal expert and coke head Noel Gallagher thinks its a good idea?

    Yes you should if you are walking down a busy street with a knife in your pocket and there's no rod in your hand or water around.

    In the right circumstances it's not that bad of an idea.


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    #79
    Odysseus
    Registered Users Posts: 6,754 ✭✭✭Odysseus


    BillyMitchel wrote: »
    Yes you should if you are walking down a busy street with a knife in your pocket and there's no rod in your hand or water around.

    In the right circumstances it's not that bad of an idea.

    I carry a leatherman around most of the time, and thankfully I am not commiting a crime. There are plently of reasons why a person may be in possession of a knife, without heving to fish.

    The only time I would not be carrying was if I had to work in one of the prisons, or socialising in a place like a nightclub.


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    #80
    BillyMitchel
    Registered Users Posts: 3,324 ✭✭✭BillyMitchel


    Odysseus wrote: »
    BillyMitchel wrote: »
    Yes you should if you are walking down a busy street with a knife in your pocket and there's no rod in your hand or water around.

    In the right circumstances it's not that bad of an idea.

    I carry a leatherman around most of the time, and thankfully I am not commiting a crime. There are plently of reasons why a person may be in possession of a knife, without heving to fish.

    The only time I would not be carrying was if I had to work in one of the prisons, or socialising in a place like a nightclub.


    Of course people are going to have them for work and sport etc and that have no intent to use them for anything but that but idiots walking around randomly carrying a knife I think the Noel Gallagher route would work quite well.

    Example: My cousins tyres were slashed outside his house for no reason a few weeks back and these slits were not done with a pen knife or even a decent size blade. These slits were done with something a butcher would gut a cow with. People carrying these kind of weapons should not be on the streets.

    Worrying part is these were probably just kids doing it for a buzz or whatever but WTF has society come to if kids are carrying around weapons like this?


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    #81
    Gee Bag
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭Gee Bag


    BillyMitchel wrote: »
    Yes you should if you are walking down a busy street with a knife in your pocket and there's no rod in your hand or water around.

    In the right circumstances it's not that bad of an idea.
    BillyMitchel wrote: »
    Of course people are going to have them for work and sport etc and that have no intent to use them for anything but that but idiots walking around randomly carrying a knife I think the Noel Gallagher route would work quite well.

    Wow Billy, in the space of two posts your already backtracking. I see your a man with deeply held beliefs.........


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    #82
    BillyMitchel
    Registered Users Posts: 3,324 ✭✭✭BillyMitchel


    Gee Bag wrote: »
    BillyMitchel wrote: »
    Yes you should if you are walking down a busy street with a knife in your pocket and there's no rod in your hand or water around.

    In the right circumstances it's not that bad of an idea.
    BillyMitchel wrote: »
    Of course people are going to have them for work and sport etc and that have no intent to use them for anything but that but idiots walking around randomly carrying a knife I think the Noel Gallagher route would work quite well.

    Wow Billy, in the space of two posts your already backtracking. I see your a man with deeply held beliefs.........

    Wouldn't say it beliefs only heard of the idea 10 mins ago anyway it's been able to see the difference in circumstances.

    Example a chef going to working carrying a knife he uses for work should not be sentenced. An 17/18 year old gob****e walking down the street carrying a 12inch blade. Sentenced. Understand Geebag?


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    #83
    Gee Bag
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭Gee Bag


    BillyMitchel wrote: »
    Wouldn't say it beliefs only heard of the idea 10 mins ago anyway it's been able to see the difference in circumstances.

    Example a chef going to working carrying a knife he uses for work should not be sentenced. An 17/18 year old gob****e walking down the street carrying a 12inch blade. Sentenced. Understand Geebag?

    Not really.

    In my original post (the one you chose to quote) I said I usually have a pen knife or multi-tool on me for work or if I'm going fishing etc. You then said it wouldn't be a bad idea if I was locked up.

    In your two subsequent posts you reversed your opinion. Either learn how to read properly or learn how to structure an argument properly.


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    #84
    paddyandy
    Site Banned Posts: 2,037 ✭✭✭paddyandy


    O.P We are never serious enough about serious matters but listen to a discussion on the TV about sport and you understand what we are serious about as a nation .


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    #85
    NoQuarter
    Registered Users Posts: 4,632 ✭✭✭NoQuarter


    Kids are little scumbags if they walk around carrying a knife, no doubt.

    But what if a group of kids decide to go slash a few tires for the laugh, if we see them with a knife should we convict them of manslaughter or murder?


    No thats right, they need a trial first and so they should get bail too.


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    #86
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,499 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Two more examples of our joke justice system today

    No jail for welfare tourist who stole €6,000 from us

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/no-jail-for-woman-who-claimed-6000-in-social-welfare-after-moving-abroad-659072.html


    And not even a criminal record for the specimens that attacked the Brazilian bloke in Dublin on St Patrick's Day

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/youths-guilty-of-vicious-attack-on-student-on-st-patricks-day-given-a-chance-to-avoid-criminal-records-30923979.html

    Can anyone put in to plain English how they actually feel about our judiciary? Because I actually can not find words adequate enough to describe how I feel about it. It's terrible for law abiding normal people in this country to see stuff like this over and over again. No wonder the guards can't be bothered.


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    #87
    johnnyskeleton
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,478 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    And not even a criminal record for the specimens that attacked the Brazilian bloke in Dublin on St Patrick's Day

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/youths-guilty-of-vicious-attack-on-student-on-st-patricks-day-given-a-chance-to-avoid-criminal-records-30923979.html

    Can anyone put in to plain English how they actually feel about our judiciary? Because I actually can not find words adequate enough to describe how I feel about it. It's terrible for law abiding normal people in this country to see stuff like this over and over again. No wonder the guards can't be bothered.

    Their case hasnt finished yet and the law requires judges to give children a chance to divert away from crime so....ah go on, rabble rabble rabble


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    #88
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,499 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    johnnyskeleton wrote: »
    Their case hasnt finished yet and the law requires judges to give children a chance to divert away from crime so....ah go on, rabble rabble rabble

    Defacto it is finished. Write a sob story in a letter apologising for kicking the sh!t out of this guy in broad daylight on a busy street and avoid a criminal record. /Joke.


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    #89
    Desolation Of Smug
    Closed Accounts Posts: 760 ✭✭✭Desolation Of Smug


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Defacto it is finished. Write a sob story in a letter apologising for kicking the sh!t out of this guy in broad daylight on a busy street and avoid a criminal record. /Joke.

    But pop in on a speeding/no Tax/TV licence charge...oh there's no joking then.


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