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ASTI members vote for industrial action over Covid issues

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    #122
    Smacruairi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭Smacruairi


    The Belly wrote: »
    Remember who pays for it all at the end of the day.

    Taxpayers. I have a job, I pay tax, do you!?


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    #123
    The Belly
    Registered Users Posts: 572 ✭✭✭The Belly


    History Queen wrote: »
    Good deflection.

    No deflection it is a fact.


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    #124
    The Belly
    Registered Users Posts: 572 ✭✭✭The Belly


    Smacruairi wrote: »
    Taxpayers. I have a job, I pay tax, do you!?

    i sure do


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    #125
    [Deleted User]
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    Smacruairi wrote: »
    Well you clearly do have an issue as you have been posting here all night,

    Thread was opened 4 hours ago. I'm guessing you teach drama....


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    #126
    Smacruairi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭Smacruairi


    The Belly wrote: »
    No deflection it is a fact.

    "remember who pays for it all at the end of the day".
    Sorry where is the fact in this sentence?


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    #127
    History Queen
    Registered Users Posts: 3,452 ✭✭✭History Queen


    The Belly wrote: »
    No deflection it is a fact.

    I think you will find it was a statement, but anyway, I digress. You haven't given me a straight answer, but then I probably didn't ask plainly enough. Do you have the same issues with doctors striking as you do with teachers?


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    #128
    The Belly
    Registered Users Posts: 572 ✭✭✭The Belly


    History Queen wrote: »
    I think you will find it was a statement, but anyway, I digress. You haven't given me a straight answer, but then I probably didn't ask plainly enough. Do you have the same issues with doctors striking as you do with teachers?

    I think in times like this is not the time for unions to strike at all.


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    #129
    thomas 123
    Registered Users Posts: 2,653 ✭✭✭thomas 123


    The Belly wrote: »
    I think in times like this is not the time for unions to strike that all.

    Yes because you expect teachers to put themselves at risk with less protections than yourself, you clarified that earlier.


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    #130
    noodler
    Registered Users Posts: 26,261 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    Vestiapx wrote: »
    Teachers are stuck in a room with a bunch of vectors. Schools should be closed and teachers should be teaching online.
    School is not childminding.
    The equal pay thing is a bit of an add on but I agree with it in principle.

    Funny, for years when unions and teacher ballot to strike emphasis is put on what they do.

    Now they are essentially saying their job CA be reduced to sending question sheets around online.

    It's really poor form, isn't evidenced based and other countries are getting on with it.


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    #131
    yabadabado
    Registered Users Posts: 16,523 ✭✭✭✭yabadabado


    Smacruairi wrote: »
    Is not a pay increase, it's restoration. Semantics for most granted, but another in the long line of broken promises from this govt.

    If you were happy with the lc fiasco, then by supporting the govt you get more of the same on that one.

    Reread the post you quoted again.


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    #132
    History Queen
    Registered Users Posts: 3,452 ✭✭✭History Queen


    The Belly wrote: »
    I think in times like this is not the time for unions to strike at all.

    So unsafe working conditions should be accepted? Unions would bever achieve anything if they only took industrial action(not necessarily strikes) at "acceptable" times.


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    #133
    The Belly
    Registered Users Posts: 572 ✭✭✭The Belly


    thomas 123 wrote: »
    Yes because you expect teachers to put themselves at risk with less protections than yourself, you clarified that earlier.

    Get a different job if you feel so strongly about it.


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    #134
    thomas 123
    Registered Users Posts: 2,653 ✭✭✭thomas 123


    noodler wrote: »
    It's really poor form, isn't evidenced based and hasn't been required elsewhere.

    It can’t exactly be based on evidence when the evidence is totally incomplete.


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    #135
    Benicetomonty
    Registered Users Posts: 1,578 ✭✭✭Benicetomonty


    noodler wrote: »
    Funny, for years when unions and teacher ballot to strike emphasis is put on what they do.

    Now they are essentially saying their job CA be reduced to sending question sheets around online.

    It's really poor form, isn't evidenced based and other countries are getting on with it.

    Let me categorically assure you that 100pc of teachers do not want to return to online teaching/ remote learning.


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    #136
    The Belly
    Registered Users Posts: 572 ✭✭✭The Belly


    History Queen wrote: »
    So unsafe working conditions should be accepted? Unions would bever achieve anything if they only took industrial action(not necessarily strikes) at "acceptable" times.

    So it's ok for all the other workers without the safety and protection teachers have to pay wise? One rule for you another for everyone else?


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    #137
    thomas 123
    Registered Users Posts: 2,653 ✭✭✭thomas 123


    The Belly wrote: »
    Get a different job if you feel so strongly about it.

    Yeah - I’m not a teacher.


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    #138
    History Queen
    Registered Users Posts: 3,452 ✭✭✭History Queen


    noodler wrote: »
    Funny, for years when unions and teacher ballot to strike emphasis is put on what they do.

    Now they are essentially saying their job CA be reduced to sending question sheets around online.

    It's really poor form, isn't evidenced based and other countries are getting on with it.

    They're not striking to go back to online learning? Or have I misunderstood your post?

    Also what countries are getting on with it in the same situation as our teachers?


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    #139
    The Belly
    Registered Users Posts: 572 ✭✭✭The Belly


    thomas 123 wrote: »
    Yeah - I’m not a teacher.

    nor am i


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    #140
    Newbie20
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    Tomtom3105 wrote: »
    It was only a matter of time before the ASTI went down this road, they have a problem with everything, teachers have to be the most entitled group of workers in this country and the most patronising. You can clearly see the posters on this thread that are teachers by the way they assume everyone else's opinion is stupid. The covid tracking is present in the schools my own fellas experienced a couple of cases just before midterm the pods were tested no positives from the pods no further tests no problem not to say it wont happen again bit so far the system has worked, dont know why covid tracking is so hard for the teachers to implement themself I would say it a case of roll call for the class like every other group setting is doing but cant expect teachers to do that, they were off from March to September missed the crucial revision term for that years leaving cert and then whinged about having to do the marking scheme, let them strike to **** or stay at home or whatever, you swear they were forced into that line of work at gunpoint the way they go on.

    I don’t think I’ve seen as many false claims in one post before. “Missed the crucial revision term”. What in Gods name are you on about?


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    #141
    thomas 123
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    The Belly wrote: »
    nor am i

    As you have said, as well as saying your employer does not take covid restrictions advice seriously albeit indirectly.

    Ah sure - your in the Sh*t so everyone else should be I guess!


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    #142
    History Queen
    Registered Users Posts: 3,452 ✭✭✭History Queen


    The Belly wrote: »
    So it's ok for all the other workers without the safety and protection teachers have to pay wise? One rule for you another for everyone else?

    I actually don't understand what you mean by this? Do you want every job to be paid the same? We probably should all be looking for TD saleries then, jesus, aim higher than teacher's wages anyway!


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    #143
    yabadabado
    Registered Users Posts: 16,523 ✭✭✭✭yabadabado


    History Queen wrote: »
    How are they looking to be paid off though? No teacher who entered teaching before 2011 will benefit from pay equalisation.

    Thats true.They did get an increase in their allowances this month which must be a thorn in the side to post 2011 teachers.


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    #144
    The Belly
    Registered Users Posts: 572 ✭✭✭The Belly


    thomas 123 wrote: »
    As you have said, as well as saying your employer does. not take covid restrictions advice seriously albeit indirectly.

    Ah sure - your in the **** so everyone else should be I guess!

    I don't have an employer I am one. And no I'm not in the sh....te thank god but many are. I just don't think it's a time for unions to be acting up about pay rises.


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    #145
    Tomtom3105
    Registered Users Posts: 163 ✭✭Tomtom3105


    Newbie20 wrote: »
    I don’t think I’ve seen as many false claims in one post before. “Missed the crucial revision term”. What in Gods name are you

    The last term before the leaving cert in June,schools.closed in march at the start of the last term of the school year which is used for revision, you could have worked that out though but I'm guessing that's your main point of arguement to get into this with me.


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    #146
    The Belly
    Registered Users Posts: 572 ✭✭✭The Belly


    History Queen wrote: »
    I actually don't understand what you mean by this? Do you want every job to be paid the same? We probably should all be looking for TD saleries then, jesus, aim higher than teacher's wages anyway!

    when the economy is in the state it's in and you have a secure job it's not the time to be looking for more money. That's all.


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    #147
    thomas 123
    Registered Users Posts: 2,653 ✭✭✭thomas 123


    The Belly wrote: »
    I don't have an employer I am one. And no I'm not in the sh....te thank god but many are. I just don't think it's a time for unions to be acting up about pay rises.

    Ah so you don’t adhere to the public health advice then?

    You eluded to that earlier, something along the lines of “get on with it” with 30+’people in a room the size of a large bedroom?

    I’m curious now to know what type of business you run.


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    #148
    The Belly
    Registered Users Posts: 572 ✭✭✭The Belly


    thomas 123 wrote: »
    Ah so you don’t adhere to the public health advice then?

    You eluded to that earlier, something along the lines of “get on with it” with 30+’people in a room the size of a large bedroom?

    I’m curious now to know what type of business you run.

    well stay curious


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    #149
    History Queen
    Registered Users Posts: 3,452 ✭✭✭History Queen


    The Belly wrote: »
    when the economy is in the state it's in and you have a secure job it's not the time to be looking for more money. That's all.

    As already stated by me several times, i don't necessarily agree with the motion as it has muddied the waters. The back and forth between me and you proves it. The industrial action mandate is about much much more than pay inequality.


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    #150
    anais
    Registered Users Posts: 123 ✭✭anais


    yabadabado wrote:
    Any teacher who is high risk can go on covid leave.Its paid leave and doesn't effect their sick leave record.

    yabadabado wrote:
    No reason for any high risk teacher to be in a class room.


    That's not true. Unless you are 'very high risk' you have to get on with it.


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    #151
    The Belly
    Registered Users Posts: 572 ✭✭✭The Belly


    History Queen wrote: »
    As already stated by me several times, i don't necessarily agree with the motion as it has muddied the waters. The back and forth between me and you proves it. The industrial action mandate is about much much more than pay inequality.

    And that I have no issues with but sneaking in the pay increase is a bit rich. It's not the time for it.


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