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Water mains problems/shortages in Drogheda area

  • 23-07-2017 10:25am
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    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,605 Mod ✭✭✭✭


    So reading online about how some people in Drogheda have been without water for a few days now because of a water mains leak?

    Touch wood, not been affected by it out at Colpe, so presume we must be on a different mains system, but apparently its stretching out all over the area?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,903 ✭✭✭micar


    Live on the Dublin Road near the train station. The area has had no water since Friday.

    Our water returned last night around 11pm.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    Sounds like a serious rupture to the system.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0723/892340-water/


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,605 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lord TSC


    And ours is gone now.

    And they are saying won't be back till Thursday :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,341 ✭✭✭ssmith6287


    I know theres a spring near castlebellingham. do any of you know of any closer to Drogheda?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2 Mouhsine


    Hello,
    Any advise on how to get water from somewhere else?
    I live in Dublin road close to Train station.
    We need water (2 adults and 1 child) at least for bathroom


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,341 ✭✭✭ssmith6287


    that's my thinking too. Toilets is the main 1 especially with the warm weather. they get smelly real quick


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,410 ✭✭✭positron


    The update on Water.ie have cleared away all their previous updates and have this up now:
    Due to the ongoing works to repair a burst water main supplying raw water to the Staleen water treatment plant, storage reservoir levels are now critically depleted leading to further water supply disruptions in Drogheda and parts of East Meath including Duleek, Lagavoreen, Donore, Ashbourne, Stamullen, Kentstown, Kilbride, Ratoath and Ardcath.

    Repair works for this region have an estimated completion date of 27 July.

    In addition temporary water stations are provided from 10.00am at the following locations for the public to take water:

    Stameen on the Dublin Road
    Termonabbey
    Marleys Lane
    Bóthar Brugha or Hardmans Gardens
    Ballsgrove shops
    Shop St North Quay

    We would remind customers to bring clean containers, and as a precautionary measure to boil water taken from these stations before use.

    Irish Water and Louth County Council would like to thank the public for their patience, and we apologise for the ongoing inconvenience while crews work to restore supply to all affected areas as soon as possible.

    Irish Water is asking customers in these areas to conserve water until further notice.

    When was the last time any part of the country was out of water for this long?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,341 ✭✭✭ssmith6287


    the cynic in me is preparing for a "well we told you we needed more investment and you refused to pay"

    It almost feels like IW are taking an Enron approach to creating demand.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,360 ✭✭✭BetsyEllen


    Is there anywhere in Drogheda selling 5L bottles of water?

    I struggled to get much yesterday, could only get a 6 pack of small bottles in Tesco which I've used.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2 Mouhsine


    They should get more people to work on it around the clock and get it done asap


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    Mouhsine wrote: »
    They should get more people to work on it around the clock and get it done asap

    In fairness, only so many can work in a hole at once. They are working flat out on it. What more do you want?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,360 ✭✭✭BetsyEllen


    Tesco Extra now have the 5L bottles for €1.29 - just got 4 in there


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    ssmith6287 wrote: »
    the cynic in me is preparing for a "well we told you we needed more investment and you refused to pay"

    It almost feels like IW are taking an Enron approach to creating demand.

    I would imagine that this will become a common enough problem in coming years. Perhaps it was going to happen anyway but the system won't see the investment it would have if the charges were being collected. It would take too steep a rise on PAYE to take on the same funding so the system will be left to creak along.

    The whole charges thing was poorly handled, but I fully support charges for water.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,478 ✭✭✭eeguy


    A friend works for IW in the North East and said the whole system was on the brink of collapse for years.

    Substandard repairs, hundreds of leaks and an infrastructure that wasn't built to cope with the explosion of housing and industry during the boom years.

    While im not surprised something like this has happened I'm sure the Can't Pay Won't Pay brigade will be out using this against IW.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    I'm sure Paul Murphy and rich boy Barrett are bothered about those unfortunate people as they sit in their big baths in their nice houses paid for by the tax payer's.

    But once they made their point and got their heads on the news that's all that matters.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,605 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lord TSC


    I read that the pipe needs to be replaced but its not there's a spare one lying round, so it will be tomorrow evening before they even get the replacement parts :/

    Fergus O'Dowd saying there's loads more water tanks on their way.
    BetsyEllen wrote: »
    Is there anywhere in Drogheda selling 5L bottles of water?

    I struggled to get much yesterday, could only get a 6 pack of small bottles in Tesco which I've used.

    Tesco, Aldi and Lidl were apparently out of water last night.

    Drove up to Balbriggan this morning, grabbed 12 six packs of 1.5l, but they had no 5l bottles and were starting to strain in terms of how much they'd left :/


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    I believe a specialist firm in Belfast is engineering the piece of pipe required. Whether charges or not were present would have made no difference in this case. Although no reason that should stop anyone trying to score points.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,175 ✭✭✭dense


    _Brian wrote: »
    I would imagine that this will become a common enough problem in coming years. Perhaps it was going to happen anyway but the system won't see the investment it would have if the charges were being collected. It would take too steep a rise on PAYE to take on the same funding so the system will be left to creak along.

    The whole charges thing was poorly handled, but I fully support charges for water.

    The water charges were only ever intended to replace (not increase) the funding available for water from the exchequer.
    Swapping one source of funding for another wasn't going to make any difference when that funding is then wasted or mismanaged by those who get it.
    If anything it's made matters worse.
    Money that was wasted on meters, laughing yoga and "brand awareness" is all money that should have been invested in the physical infrastructure. They didn't do that and look what's happening.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    In fairness, only so many can work in a hole at once. They are working flat out on it. What more do you want?

    I don't think they are actually working flat-out on the problem. Whatever about the physics of fitting workers into a hole, if there was the skilled workers available, could they not authorise another crew to work through the night/late evening? (Not the same crew as the day, for those worrying about the worker's health and well-being). That maybe because this is ongoing since Friday now, it demands more than a 9-5 approach at this stage?

    However, if there is only a limited amount of people with the skills to fix and work on the problem, that idea would be a non-runner. If it's simply a matter of authorising the money to fund an extra crew, then it should have been done by now.
    eeguy wrote: »
    A friend works for IW in the North East and said the whole system was on the brink of collapse for years.

    Substandard repairs, hundreds of leaks and an infrastructure that wasn't built to cope with the explosion of housing and industry during the boom years.

    While im not surprised something like this has happened I'm sure the Can't Pay Won't Pay brigade will be out using this against IW.

    Quite the opposite, from the sentiment I'm picking up online so far in various comments sections and fora. I've seen more of the "Sure didn't they assault IW contracters in Drogheda? Let them rot" - "Water in Drogheda gone? That'll hardly make a difference", those kind of comments, than the 'Can't Pay, Won't Pay' brigade using this against Irish Water. We really can be a nasty, detached bunch of bastards when we sit down at a keyboard.

    I'd imagine that this episode will show many people, who didn't realise/care previously, that water doesn't magically form when we turn the tap on, and the infrastructure badly needs investment. It's one thing well-paid politicians and executives telling us we must pay for water on the television - It's another thing living it, to see and experience your water cut off for 4+ days because of the decades-old, substandard infrastructure.

    Irish Water/the government have an opportunity here to show the rest of the country why we need to invest in our water supply. However, too much time will be spent in the aftermath shít-flinging from side to side and not doing anything overly-productive, while we kick the can further down the road.

    To go on further - As a resident of the Drogheda area, I'm used to my water getting cut off several times per year. Often this will just last for a span of hours during the day, but a disruption to the water supply is not uncommon where I live. From what eeguy said about his IW worker friend, and what I've read from similar sources elsewhere online, it seems that the system is not fit for purpose in the Drogheda area.

    Why then, are there houses getting flung up in areas which are already putting the infrastructure under pressure? Not just the water infrastructure, but areas where roads are already chock-a-block with traffic and where schools are already out the door with students? It seems that the developers/planners just need a bit of land to build the house on, and there is where forward/social planning starts and ends.

    It all results in something like we've experienced in the last 4 days, and something we'll probably experience again before the year is out.

    Yes, there are lessons to be learned here, and some of the 'Can't Pay, Won't Pay' collective should observe some of them. However, we really should be using this to look at the bigger picture - As it is, Drogheda and its infrastructure is under immense pressure. Before heaping onto this with new developments, maybe time should be spent in upgrading and repairing this infrastucture to suit the ambition of the developers and planners who are currently flat-out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,341 ✭✭✭ssmith6287


    its an egg and chicken dilemma. The government will say people need to pay to upgrade these pipes, the people will say I don't want to pay until the system is fit for purpose. Personally I believe we should pay for water, my only gripe is I have to buy bottled water weekly because the water from my tap is horrible, don't know if that would be fixed with pipe upgrade, no doubt its clean


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,605 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lord TSC


    Water back, albeit very weakly, in Grange Rath. Filling up some pots and stuff cause I worry it's only temporary.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,354 ✭✭✭gebbel


    Heard that the water temporarily returned earlier...and at least may have filled depleted water tanks. Old Slane Road area. Not a drip right now. I'm resigned to it being Thursday evening before things start returning to normal.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Water returned for a while. Depending on your area, it could be due to come on soon...

    https://www.water.ie/news/irish-water-mobilises-wat/index.xml


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,256 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    dense wrote: »
    The water charges were only ever intended to replace (not increase) the funding available for water from the exchequer.
    Swapping one source of funding for another wasn't going to make any difference when that funding is then wasted or mismanaged by those who get it.
    If anything it's made matters worse.
    Money that was wasted on meters, laughing yoga and "brand awareness" is all money that should have been invested in the physical infrastructure. They didn't do that and look what's happening.
    It was also intended to make that funding more transparent. You pay motor tax, rates, PAYE etc, that money could go anywhere(although motor tax should remain within transport infrastructure. You pay water charges that money is ring fenced for water infrastructure, the incoming money is accounted for and published and the expenditure is published and questioned if it appears extortionate.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,605 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lord TSC


    Lot of new water stations set up round Grange Rath, Bettystown, morningtown, etc.

    Still, the advice is to poop into bags and put them into the bin :rolleyes:


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,437 Mod ✭✭✭✭Mr Magnolia


    I'd heard that the spool piece will be fabricated by tomorrow evening, installed Wednesday and commissioned/energised Thursday. Perhaps it was just poor spokemanship but why on earth is this not being worked on 24/7?

    Im not affected myself but obviously hope it's repaired as quickly as possible for the critical services, businesses and all that are doing without.


  • Registered Users Posts: 100 ✭✭Slanty


    I'd heard that the spool piece will be fabricated by tomorrow evening, installed Wednesday and commissioned/energised Thursday. Perhaps it was just poor spokemanship but why on earth is this not being worked on 24/7?

    Im not affected myself but obviously hope it's repaired as quickly as possible for the critical services, businesses and all that are doing without.

    It is being worked on 24/7. The new insert is nearly a meter diameter. Not many places in Ireland can roll steel that size. Due to the age of the existing pipe the new insert has to be custom made.
    A modified piece failed on Sunday.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,694 ✭✭✭Dingatron


    Slanty wrote: »
    It is being worked on 24/7. The new insert is nearly a meter diameter. Not many places in Ireland can roll steel that size. Due to the age of the existing pipe the new insert has to be custom made.
    A modified piece failed on Sunday.

    Are they certain the new piece will work and is there a Plan B if it doesn't?


  • Registered Users Posts: 100 ✭✭Slanty


    Dingatron wrote: »
    Are they certain the new piece will work and is there a Plan B if it doesn't?

    Yes the new piece will work. Its specially designed for this job. There should be no need for a plan B.
    Dublin council have fittings that can be inserted in a couple of hours when this happens but not for this size pipe.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 7 poemboy


    If one is out of pocket due to having to buy potable water during this latest Irish Water service failure what are the mechanics for reclaiming said expenses?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 400 ✭✭Panjandrums


    This post has been deleted.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,478 ✭✭✭eeguy


    poemboy wrote: »
    If one is out of pocket due to having to buy potable water during this latest Irish Water service failure what are the mechanics for reclaiming said expenses?

    Hahaha. Do you claim expenses from Electric Ireland for generator petrol or cost of stamps from Eircom?


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,605 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lord TSC


    Anyone know where sells good sized water container things, that I could bring to the stations to get filled? All I got is 1.5 litre bottles which won't be fun to get a load of filled.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    positron wrote: »
    The update on Water.ie have cleared away all their previous updates and have this up now:



    When was the last time any part of the country was out of water for this long?

    In the big freeze of 2010, we were without water for over a week. We had to source our own. As it was winter, it was probably easier. Had to flush once a day only and visit family miles away for a shower.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,175 ✭✭✭dense


    Friday is now been mentioned as a possibility.

    Chaos continues as water will now not be fully restored 'until Friday and into the weekend'

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/chaos-continues-as-water-will-now-not-be-fully-restored-until-friday-and-into-the-weekend-35965127.html


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,175 ✭✭✭dense


    flazio wrote: »
    It was also intended to make that funding more transparent. You pay motor tax, rates, PAYE etc, that money could go anywhere(although motor tax should remain within transport infrastructure. You pay water charges that money is ring fenced for water infrastructure, the incoming money is accounted for and published and the expenditure is published and questioned if it appears extortionate.

    But the amount being spent is still the same.
    So where it comes from is irrelevant.
    I would agree that how it is spent should be scrutinised. There's less available for infrastructure though when you have to take call centres and meters into account.
    Are you saying that funding made available for water here from motor tax paye etc was being misappropriated or was not accounted for before Irish Water came along?
    If so you should put some proof up.
    It's a serious allegation.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,437 Mod ✭✭✭✭Mr Magnolia


    Slanty wrote: »
    It is being worked on 24/7. The new insert is nearly a meter diameter.

    Good to hear it's being worked on 24/7, the councillor on the radio didn't indicate as much. He also said the pipe was 600mm so mustn't be well informed.
    Not many places in Ireland can roll steel that size.

    Maybe so but with the seriousness of the problem I hope they looked further afield than Ireland for replacement spool piece or bespoke fabrication.


  • Registered Users Posts: 100 ✭✭Slanty


    Good to hear it's being worked on 24/7, the councillor on the radio didn't indicate as much. He also said the pipe was 600mm so mustn't be well informed.



    Maybe so but with the seriousness of the problem I hope they looked further afield than Ireland for replacement spool piece or bespoke fabrication.

    The pipe is 600 o/d but the new insert must go over it. The steel was rolled in Galway and delivered in the early hours dismorning.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,852 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Listening to the radio there. Rosehall would be an option. Why aren't they reopening it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,852 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Slanty wrote: »
    The pipe is 600 o/d but the new insert must go over it. The steel was rolled in Galway and delivered in the early hours dismorning.

    Is the pipe really down over 4meters in the ground?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    whelan2 wrote: »
    Is the pipe really down over 4meters in the ground?

    Yes


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,852 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Yes

    Will be a big job working at such a depth


  • Registered Users Posts: 234 ✭✭Psychologeeee


    I haven't been affected at all despite there being a water station outside where I live!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,478 ✭✭✭eeguy


    dense wrote: »
    Friday is now been mentioned as a possibility.

    Chaos continues as water will now not be fully restored 'until Friday and into the weekend'

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/chaos-continues-as-water-will-now-not-be-fully-restored-until-friday-and-into-the-weekend-35965127.html

    Chaos? Bit of an overstatement.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,605 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lord TSC


    Irish Water says on their site that Meath and Louth County Council have received 8000 5l and 10l foldable containers to distribute as they see fit. Wonder if they'll go door to door with them?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,341 ✭✭✭ssmith6287


    Lord TSC wrote: »
    Irish Water says on their site that Meath and Louth County Council have received 8000 5l and 10l foldable containers to distribute as they see fit. Wonder if they'll go door to door with them?

    This would lead me to believe that theyre expecting this to go past friday


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,605 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lord TSC


    ssmith6287 wrote: »
    This would lead me to believe that theyre expecting this to go past friday

    It's gone from...this will defo be fixed by Thursday night.....we are hopeful it will be fixed by Thursday night....it's 50/50 we'll have it back by Friday morning....of course, it could take a fe days for everything to kick back in....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,410 ✭✭✭positron


    Lord TSC wrote:
    Irish Water says on their site that Meath and Louth County Council have received 8000 5l and 10l foldable containers to distribute as they see fit. Wonder if they'll go door to door with them?

    Thanks for this tip. Collapsible containers sounds like a neat idea, Didnt realise such a thing existed. Where do you get those, who sells them? I have been looking for something that can hold at least 10l, rather than messing around with 1l and 2l bottles.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,350 ✭✭✭Cortina_MK_IV


    positron wrote: »
    Thanks for this tip. Collapsible containers sounds like a neat idea, Didnt realise such a thing existed. Where do you get those, who sells them? I have been looking for something that can hold at least 10l, rather than messing around with 1l and 2l bottles.
    Camping shops and also Halford's have this type, 15 litre for €6.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Managed a shower this evening when the water was back on for a few hours. No more whiff of hobo about me :pac:


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