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Is there an appetite for a South Eastern Greenway (Rosslare/Waterford Rail Line)

  • 26-07-2013 11:26am
    #1
    hypersonic
    Registered Users Posts: 320 ✭✭


    I see the rail line between Rosslare and Waterford has been disused for several years.
    Is there local appetite to convert this to a greenway similar to The Great Western Greenway?
    I could be a very useful addition to tourism in the region.


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  • #2
    Tzar Chasm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,069 ✭✭✭Tzar Chasm


    last I heard there was a group trying to get the rail line reopened.

    AFAIK they have trains lined up and the track is still serviceable, the only thing holding them up is some sort of kerfuffle about the crossing gates.

    that said with the price of scrap at the moment I wouldn't be surprised to find the knackers had robbed a few miles of track somewhere


  • #3
    Judgement Day
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    NO!


  • #4
    allthedoyles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,893 ✭✭✭allthedoyles


    It has been discussed to death on boards in the past - but due to lack of interest , the threads died .

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=82752262

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056835578&page=7

    Cannot see an appetite , and certainly hard to see where the funds would come from .

    Unless Denis O Brien shows an interest in spending some of the money he will make from installing water meters over the next few years .


  • #5
    hypersonic
    Registered Users Posts: 320 ✭✭hypersonic


    it's a pity, as tourist would have brought income and jobs to local communities.


  • #6
    vicwatson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    hypersonic wrote: »
    it's a pity, as tourist would have brought income and jobs to local communities.

    Yeh? Tell us more how


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  • #7
    hypersonic
    Registered Users Posts: 320 ✭✭hypersonic


    vicwatson wrote: »
    Yeh? Tell us more how

    no need for me to explain, there are probably too many jobs in wexford already.


  • #8
    Geog1234
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 313 ✭✭Geog1234


    The line last saw a passenger service on 18/09/2010. Several miles of the line continues to be used several times a week by freight trains (between Waterford and Belview Port).

    The line is being maintained as per contract between Irish Rail and the National Transport Authority.

    The line has been used (and remains available for use) as a diversionary route e.g. in late-2011 the Dublin to Rosslare line was severed near Lansdowne Road due to a bridge over the River Dodder being damaged by flooding. This situation continued for many days. Trains need routine maintenance every week. There were trains on the Rosslare line which were "trapped" and the only way they could go for servicing was for them to travel along the South Wexford Line (replacement trains already serviced took their place). If the South Wexford Line was not there this transfer could not have taken place and commuters and users of the Rosslare-Wicklow-Dublin rail line would have been without a rail service for a prolonged period.

    The port authority at Rosslare Europort (Irish Rail) have plans for a railfreight terminal at the port. This is detailed in their plans (plans were/ maybe still are publically available via their website). The line to Waterford and onwards to the west is a strategic asset which could be used for rail freight to/from the port. Earlier this year a review of the port was undertaken by consultants on behalf of the Minister for Transport. Part of this study looked at the two railway lines to the port.

    A Greenway would be wholly incompatible with possible future freight use, diversionary use or for any ultimate restoration of a passenger service. There generally is no room to put a greenway alongside the railway.


  • #9
    vicwatson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    hypersonic wrote: »
    no need for me to explain, there are probably too many jobs in wexford already.

    And how many jobs would this create approximately?


  • #10
    jpb1974
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,027 ✭✭✭jpb1974


    vicwatson wrote: »
    And how many jobs would this create approximately?

    23


  • #11
    Judgement Day
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    Any rational, long term plan for the South East will involve the reopening of this line for rail traffic, and to think that people can be bought off by handing over the route for use as a footpath is laughable. Just because some people are daft enough to accept their Garda stations being closed and handed back to them for community use doesn't mean we all are.


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  • #12
    hypersonic
    Registered Users Posts: 320 ✭✭hypersonic


    Judgement Day wrote: »
    Any rational, long term plan for the South East will involve the reopening of this line for rail traffic, and to think that people can be bought off by handing over the route for use as a footpath is laughable. Just because some people are daft enough to accept their Garda stations being closed and handed back to them for community use doesn't mean we all are.

    I would be in favour of reopening the line to passenger traffic but it has been closed to passengers for almost 3 years. are there any plans at the moment to reopen it? also is the Dublin line due an upgrade?


  • #13
    Judgement Day
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    hypersonic wrote: »
    I would be in favour of reopening the line to passenger traffic but it has been closed to passengers for almost 3 years. are there any plans at the moment to reopen it? also is the Dublin line due an upgrade?

    Don't know about any upgrade for the Waterford/Dublin line but there are certainly no plans to reopen the Waterford/Rosslare Strand section. More likely to see Waterford/Limerick Junction close before that.


  • #14
    Chiparus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,279 ✭✭✭Chiparus


    vicwatson wrote: »
    And how many jobs would this create approximately?

    Plenty of jobs created by the greenway in Westport,

    http://www.advertiser.ie/mayo/article/49874/profit-of-2-million-for-western-greenway-after-just-one-year


  • #15
    vicwatson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    Chiparus wrote: »
    Plenty of jobs created by the greenway in Westport,

    http://www.advertiser.ie/mayo/article/49874/profit-of-2-million-for-western-greenway-after-just-one-year


    That's Westport NOT Wexford


  • #16
    jpb1974
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,027 ✭✭✭jpb1974


    vicwatson wrote: »
    That's Westport NOT Wexford

    What's your point? You seem to have reason to think it wouldn't create jobs... thats the impression I get.. if so why don't you share your insite?


  • #17
    vicwatson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    jpb1974 wrote: »
    What's your point? You seem to have reason to think it wouldn't create jobs... so why don't you share your insite?

    I'm saying 1. it can't happen 2. it won't happen 3. it would create very little sustainable jobs for the investment that would need to be made if it was to happen

    That's my point. Simples


  • #18
    bur
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,689 ✭✭✭bur


    vicwatson wrote: »
    I'm saying 1. it can't happen 2. it won't happen 3. it would create very little sustainable jobs for the investment that would need to be made if it was to happen

    That's my point. Simples

    Woah, i'm blown away by the insight.


  • #19
    jpb1974
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,027 ✭✭✭jpb1974


    There you go.. end of conversation compliments of the guru.


  • #20
    tommyp2013
    Registered Users Posts: 6 ✭tommyp2013


    In spite of the huge amount of negativity on this thread I reckon there would be a huge appetite for such a project, not only locally but nationally. I know there is a drive to convert the Waterford to Dungarvan line. I really cant understand why some Waterford people have it in for developing Waterford and pushing it up there with other tourist destinations in Ireland. It has so much to offer but negativity like some of the comments I have read on this thread just work to keep Waterford stuck in the recession. There needs to be a shift in how Waterford promotes itself and I for one think this would be a unique selling point...


  • #21
    vicwatson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    bur wrote: »
    Woah, i'm blown away by the insight.

    Feel free to construct some conversation to illustrate where I'm wrong if you wish.


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  • #22
    vicwatson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    jpb1974 wrote: »
    There you go.. end of conversation compliments of the guru.

    :):rolleyes:


  • #23
    hypersonic
    Registered Users Posts: 320 ✭✭hypersonic


    vicwatson wrote: »
    I'm saying 1. it can't happen 2. it won't happen 3. it would create very little sustainable jobs for the investment that would need to be made if it was to happen

    That's my point. Simples

    The land is still in state ownership so it would cost substantial less than the Greenway in Mayo, which has been a huge success.

    Galway has a proposed Greenway;
    http://www.galway.ie/en/Services/RoadsTransportation/ConnemaraGreenway/

    There is a campaign for a Greenway in Sligo
    http://www.sligomayogreenway.com/Home_Page.html


  • #24
    Judgement Day
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    Yes, yes, first it was the Farming Sector that was going to save the country, then the IT sector, then the Finance sector and now it's Tourism's turn and every piece of closed-up railway track has to be turned into a Greenway....There are enormous queues of people waiting with their bikes at British and French ports - it will be like D-Day in reverse. :rolleyes:


  • #25
    jpb1974
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,027 ✭✭✭jpb1974


    Why is it that people simply can't disagree by way of putting forward their own viewpoint without the need for sarcastic responses?

    It really feels like people are going out of their way to belittle the entitled opinions of others which is totally disrespectful.

    I don't have a major say on the matter but I do find some of the info on this thread interesting and informative.


  • #26
    Judgement Day
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    jpb1974 wrote: »
    Why is it that people simply can't disagree by way of putting forward their own viewpoint without the need for sarcastic responses?

    It really feels like people are going out of their way to belittle the entitled opinions of others which is totally disrespectful.

    I don't have a major say on the matter but I do find some of the info on this thread interesting and informative.

    You may have a point but I'm sick of people muddying the water regarding railway lines; and our useless politicians will jump on the bandwagon, as they are doing in the west, and the railway be torn up to facilitate the latest fad.


  • #27
    hypersonic
    Registered Users Posts: 320 ✭✭hypersonic


    jpb1974 wrote: »
    Why is it that people simply can't disagree by way of putting forward their own viewpoint without the need for sarcastic responses?

    It really feels like people are going out of their way to belittle the entitled opinions of others which is totally disrespectful.

    I don't have a major say on the matter but I do find some of the info on this thread interesting and informative.

    It shows the lack of substance in their option/argument. The more of these type of responses I see the more optimistic I get there will actually be a Greenway.


  • #28
    vicwatson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    jpb1974 wrote: »
    Why is it that people simply can't disagree by way of putting forward their own viewpoint without the need for sarcastic responses?

    It really feels like people are going out of their way to belittle the entitled opinions of others which is totally disrespectful.

    I don't have a major say on the matter but I do find some of the info on this thread interesting and informative.
    hypersonic wrote: »
    It shows the lack of substance in their option/argument. The more of these type of responses I see the more optimistic I get there will actually be a Greenway.

    Ah here chillax lads and lassies

    The original question was Is there an appetite for a South Eastern Greenway (Rosslare/Waterford Rail Line)

    The answer is NO, not currently ;)


  • #29
    jpb1974
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,027 ✭✭✭jpb1974


    vicwatson wrote: »
    Ah here chillax lads and lassies

    The original question was Is there an appetite for a South Eastern Greenway (Rosslare/Waterford Rail Line)

    The answer is NO, not currently ;)

    But you're speaking for yourself there.

    hypersonic seems to have an appetite for one. I certainly wouldn't be against it.

    So, in some cases... the answer is YES.


  • #30
    wexandproud
    Registered Users Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭wexandproud


    i think it would be great for the area and the greenways in the west are a huge success, imagine getting off ferry in rosslare ,join the greenway in rosslare strand and then being able to go to west of ireland if waterford limerick was available and hardly seeing a car.surely anybody could see the spin off for b&B, shops, pubs, hostels etc along the route. The line was closed because of lack of use so why would it work if reopened
    regarding rosslare port, with the proposed development of dublin port and the continueing development of bellview, is ther a need for a second port on this corner ,also the fact that rosslare has just about enough dept of water to get the existing ferrys in and out. now im just a joe soap so maby a few studies and reports commisioned by department of transport will make me eat my words, and we have seen the success rate of all these reports
    in reply to tommyp
    regarding the negativity in the thread, unfortunatly thats an irish thing. :(
    a tourist walking down a pier noticed a fisherman standing beside a bucket with two lobsters in it, tapping the fisherman on the shoulder the tourist excused himself and enquired if he was concerned about the lobsters escaping, of course not replied the fisherman sure the are irish lobsters, if one of them tries to climb out the other will hold him back:)


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  • #31
    Judgement Day
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    wexandproud wrote: »
    i think it would be great for the area and the greenways in the west are a huge success, imagine getting off ferry in rosslare ,join the greenway in rosslare strand and then being able to go to west of ireland if waterford limerick was available and hardly seeing a car.surely anybody could see the spin off for b&B, shops, pubs, hostels etc along the route. The line was closed because of lack of use so why would it work if reopened
    regarding rosslare port, with the proposed development of dublin port and the continueing development of bellview, is ther a need for a second port on this corner ,also the fact that rosslare has just about enough dept of water to get the existing ferrys in and out. now im just a joe soap so maby a few studies and reports commisioned by department of transport will make me eat my words, and we have seen the success rate of all these reports
    in reply to tommyp
    regarding the negativity in the thread, unfortunatly thats an irish thing. :(
    a tourist walking down a pier noticed a fisherman standing beside a bucket with two lobsters in it, tapping the fisherman on the shoulder the tourist excused himself and enquired if he was concerned about the lobsters escaping, of course not replied the fisherman sure the are irish lobsters, if one of them tries to climb out the other will hold him back:)

    imagine getting off ferry in Rosslare ,join the train in Rosslare Harbour and then being able to go to west of ireland if waterford limerick was available and hardly seeing a car....

    Why not go back even further in time and hire a horse in Rosslare?


  • #32
    vicwatson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    jpb1974 wrote: »
    But you're speaking for yourself there.

    hypersonic seems to have an appetite for one. I certainly wouldn't be against it.

    So, in some cases... the answer is YES.


    Eh well done, of course I'm speaking for myself, if the question by the OP was meant as a general "Do you think........." then the answer is NO, but the question was worded "Is there an appetite................". The way the question is put implies "In your opinion, is there an appetite............." and in my opinion there isn't an appetite for a South Eastern Greenway on the old railway line outlined.


  • #33
    vicwatson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    Judgement Day wrote: »
    imagine getting off ferry in Rosslare ,join the train in Rosslare Harbour and then being able to go to west of ireland if waterford limerick was available and hardly seeing a car....

    Why not go back even further in time and hire a horse in Rosslare?

    +1

    If I'm not mistaken it's just this year 2013, yes 2013, for Iarnrod Eireann to finally get their act together to put together a timetable that somewhat fits in with the times of the Ferries arriving and departing Rosslare Harbour. Jaysus.


  • #34
    jpb1974
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,027 ✭✭✭jpb1974


    That's because from my viewpoint it seems you phrased your NO as if it were general fact as opposed to personal opinion... so apologies in that regard.

    And well done to you... 3 posts and a gentle prod before you decide to state your opinion on the matter. At least you've stopped hiding in the background taking prods at people's opinions.

    I'll chillax when people start respecting other people's views in relation to this thread. I'm enjoying the information and views that certain people are posting.. the cynical jabs and prods are getting on my nerves. You don't have to bash other people's opinions just because yours differ.


  • #35
    vicwatson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    jpb1974 wrote: »
    That's because from my viewpoint it seems you phrased your NO as if it were general fact as opposed to personal opinion... so apologies in that regard.

    And well done to you... 3 posts and a gentle prod before you decide to state your opinion on the matter. At least you've stopped hiding in the background taking prods at people's opinions.

    I'll chillax when people start respecting other people's views in relation to this thread. I'm enjoying the information and views that certain people are posting.. the cynical jabs and prods are getting on my nerves. You don't have to bash other people's opinions just because yours differ.


    Oh Chillax

    The answer to this whole thread was back in post 8 -
    The line last saw a passenger service on 18/09/2010. Several miles of the line continues to be used several times a week by freight trains (between Waterford and Belview Port).

    The line is being maintained as per contract between Irish Rail and the National Transport Authority.

    The line has been used (and remains available for use) as a diversionary route e.g. in late-2011 the Dublin to Rosslare line was severed near Lansdowne Road due to a bridge over the River Dodder being damaged by flooding. This situation continued for many days. Trains need routine maintenance every week. There were trains on the Rosslare line which were "trapped" and the only way they could go for servicing was for them to travel along the South Wexford Line (replacement trains already serviced took their place). If the South Wexford Line was not there this transfer could not have taken place and commuters and users of the Rosslare-Wicklow-Dublin rail line would have been without a rail service for a prolonged period.

    The port authority at Rosslare Europort (Irish Rail) have plans for a railfreight terminal at the port. This is detailed in their plans (plans were/ maybe still are publically available via their website). The line to Waterford and onwards to the west is a strategic asset which could be used for rail freight to/from the port. Earlier this year a review of the port was undertaken by consultants on behalf of the Minister for Transport. Part of this study looked at the two railway lines to the port.

    A Greenway would be wholly incompatible with possible future freight use, diversionary use or for any ultimate restoration of a passenger service. There generally is no room to put a greenway alongside the railway.


  • #36
    jpb1974
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,027 ✭✭✭jpb1974


    I will when the door handles start acting like respectable contributors.

    Wexford forum was always a good place for a b!tch and a moan... but it was typically done in a manner that respected others. Sad to see long standing contributors trying to pull the rug from under people's feet in the interest of invalidating their opinions simply because they don't align with their own.

    I'm done on this thread.


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  • #37
    vicwatson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    the cynical jabs and prods are getting on my nerves

    So you're happy enough to keep discussing the op's thread as long as everyone toes your line?

    Okaayyy.

    We are all guests on boards.ie and everyone has their own opinion, just because someone else's differs from yours..................


  • #38
    jpb1974
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,027 ✭✭✭jpb1974


    Nah.. nothing to do with differing opinion, just basic manners and respect.. the sort of thing you should have been reared with.


  • #39
    wexandproud
    Registered Users Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭wexandproud


    if people were getting off the boat and using the train the service it would not have been cancelled. plus if the train service was running people would be whisked away to the west straight away, if the greenway was there people would spend a few hours and maby even days enjoying the scenary of the south of the county which is as good as anywhere in the country and sure couldent the horses you refer to use it aswell.
    rosslare ferry port delivers tourists to this corner,all you have to do is travel the rosslare road any evening and watch them along with the sun dissappearing to the west. we need a little bit of something different to try to keep some of them in this corner for a little while


  • #40
    Chiparus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,279 ✭✭✭Chiparus


    vicwatson wrote: »
    Ah here chillax lads and lassies

    The original question was Is there an appetite for a South Eastern Greenway (Rosslare/Waterford Rail Line)

    The answer is NO, not currently ;)

    In your opinion? I think It would be a great idea. It would bring thousands of tourists to the south east and not just to the costal areas.

    It could easily be linked up to the waterford to dungarvan line

    And Vic, no need to be rude.


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056909845


  • #41
    Chiparus
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    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S221197361300024X

    Payback in 6 years?


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  • #42
    hypersonic
    Registered Users Posts: 320 ✭✭hypersonic


    Chiparus wrote: »
    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S221197361300024X

    Payback in 6 years?


    For the Great Western Greenway the land had to be purchased, this would not be the case in Wexford as the land is still in state control.

    Based on the abstract you linked to the Great Western Greenway brings an income of 1,142,000euro to Mayo every year, which is not small money.

    How much would it cost to convert the rail line between Rosslare and bellview?
    According to a 2012 design study for the Cork to Kinsale Greenway it is estimated at 67,000euro/km.
    http://www.corkcoco.ie/co/pdf/692140142.pdf
    So payback for a Wexford Greenway would be approximately 3 years based on the above.

    I would like to see the rail service reopen. However the service has been closed for nearly 3 years and there is no proposal that I am aware of to reopen it.
    So the question is Greenway or a rail line which carries neither freight or passengers?


  • #43
    wexandproud
    Registered Users Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭wexandproud


    even if the greenway was never developed i wonder if the freight service would work in a comparatively small area like ireland , just think about these points

    1. i export goods on a regular basis and sometimes due to adverse weather the ferries do not sail from rosslare but they do sail from dublin port

    2. most haulage companies would prefer to leave from dublin due to access to motorways leading to most parts of country

    3 ferries would have to unload on to a train ,train would travel to a depot to unload into storage leading to double handeling and more tracking of containers,then container lifted onto lorry, why not put it on lorry in first place


  • #44
    BarryD
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    Why are some people here so obsessed with jobs and tourists etc.?? If you get involved in promoting a project like this as a recreational facility, then the primary benefactors must be local people first and always foremost. You do it to give local people better access to the countryside, a safer place to cycle, walk, jog. To improve physical & mental health and stimulate an interest in the local environment & history etc.

    If jobs and tourists come as a spin off, well so be it - that's grand. This is largely how continental Europe views facilities like this on the whole. You create opportunities for local people and if others come, well & good.

    Of course, if the line is required for regular commercial and/or strategic rail use, that's an important factor but what if it's only an odd train now & then?


  • #45
    wexandproud
    Registered Users Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭wexandproud


    i would like to think that jobs and income from tourism are important and every oppertunity to create jobs and income should be looked at and but i agree 100% that the locals could and should benefit greatly and not just financially from the greenway.And in case anybody is wondering ,i have no vested interest in tourism


  • #46
    oldyouth
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    If it is such a great idea, go to the bank and invest in it yourself. Make millions and prove everyone wrong.

    Specialised interests are not economically viable in a recession. You need people with a surplus of money over sense and they used to be there, but not at the minute


  • #47
    jpb1974
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,027 ✭✭✭jpb1974


    oldyouth wrote: »
    If it is such a great idea, go to the bank and invest in it yourself. Make millions and prove everyone wrong.

    Specialised interests are not economically viable in a recession. You need people with a surplus of money over sense and they used to be there, but not at the minute

    I'm not sure that private investors can make money from such a venture. Any revenue generated would most likely be indirect and go into the economy.

    I'm not sure if anyone is proposing it be done immediately, just debating whether it would be a good idea or not.


  • #48
    BarryD
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    Putting in facilities like this is not about making millions, it's about providing decent facilities for citizens who live in the region...

    Not that I'd hold out a huge amount of hope for that in Wexford though. Maybe someone can explain to me why Wexford has some of the worst minor roads in the country, despite the levies & income from all the building developments along the coast and the burgeoning windfarm industry. Where did my car tax go for years? What about household charges and property taxes? Where does/ did it all go? I can't understand why some of the residents of rural areas in Wexford don't revolt.


  • #49
    wexandproud
    Registered Users Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭wexandproud


    nobody ever said that as stand alone venture it would make money . any of the references to payback on this forum were in the context of revenue generated in the surrounding areas by use of the facility. just like a beach, a river or a mountain in themselves dont make money but they bring people to an area and give enjoyment


  • #50
    vicwatson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    BarryD wrote: »
    Putting in facilities like this is not about making millions, it's about providing decent facilities for citizens who live in the region...

    Not that I'd hold out a huge amount of hope for that in Wexford though. Maybe someone can explain to me why Wexford has some of the worst minor roads in the country, despite the levies & income from all the building developments along the coast and the burgeoning windfarm industry. Where did my car tax go for years? What about household charges and property taxes? Where does/ did it all go? I can't understand why some of the residents of rural areas in Wexford don't revolt.


    It goes into electronic signs that tell you where you can park in Wexford that get damaged before operation as they are fitted incorrectly, and the likes :mad::mad:

    As a man on the radio said the other day "during the boom years the County Councils had loads of engineers, they still have loads of engineers now"


  • #51
    wexandproud
    Registered Users Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭wexandproud


    ffs dont get get me started on the co council , roads, tax and the like


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