CCTV

machiavellianme · 09-10-2020 10:45am

HIK connect is a doddle to set up and its free!

But you don't even need it. You can use normal ip forwarding to achieve the same thing.

machiavellianme · 09-10-2020 11:44am

DaveyDave wrote: »

Sorry, some more questions...

Do I need the right angle adaptor for mounting flat on the wall of my house or just the standard base adaptor for hiding cables? I'm not sure if I need the junction box either?

Is Hik Connect something I can setup myself? CCTV Ireland have a 2 camera ColorVu kit I want for a lot less than buying individually (same models) and there's an option to setup Hik Connect for €70. If it's just an app I download myself then I won't need that. There's no option of the bases though so I must contact them to try get that price.

Try rfconcepts.ie
You can make up that kit for 472 with the higher specced DS-2CD2347G1-LU camera which has a microphone but the L model doesn't (discounted when multi buy is enabled).
I'd also go for the 7608 nvr as you can support 8 cameras instead of 4 (future proofing) and 2 hard drives instead of 1 (in case of HDD failure). Comes in at 547 including delivery so only 30 more than the one on cctv Ireland for a better nvr and cameras. Assuming you meant this kit:

https://www.cctvireland.ie/two-camera-cctv-kit-with-4mp-colorvu-cameras-from-hikvision-1tb.html

Edit: I see an option to upgrade the cameras on cctv Ireland too, bringing it to 544. I'd still pick the 7608 nvr on rfconcepts for the extra 3 euro though.

Lex Luthor · 09-10-2020 3:03pm

DaveyDave wrote: »

Sorry, some more questions...

Do I need the right angle adaptor for mounting flat on the wall of my house or just the standard base adaptor for hiding cables? I'm not sure if I need the junction box either?

Is Hik Connect something I can setup myself? CCTV Ireland have a 2 camera ColorVu kit I want for a lot less than buying individually (same models) and there's an option to setup Hik Connect for €70. If it's just an app I download myself then I won't need that. There's no option of the bases though so I must contact them to try get that price.

I didnt need the j box for mine, one was mounted into the soffit and the other in the underside of the canopy. There is enough space in what came to fit the ethernet connector ended cable into behind the camera, this was on the turret one anyway

machiavellianme · 09-10-2020 6:36pm

I'd second that. No need for any junction boxes

DaveyDave · 10-10-2020 2:57pm

I'll be installing these through the brick, the cable connection on the camera seems long enough to be away from any moisture outside. Might still use some caulk though.

Saw a video of these being set up, very straight forward. He did mention having to reset them after testing, is that necessary or can I plug everything in to test, then mount them and plug them back in again? My brother in law will be mounting them, ideally I'd like to get setup beforehand, have them mounted then reconnect.

Lex Luthor · 10-10-2020 3:01pm

DaveyDave wrote: »

I'll be installing these through the brick, the cable connection on the camera seems long enough to be away from any moisture outside. Might still use some caulk though.

Saw a video of these being set up, very straight forward. He did mention having to reset them after testing, is that necessary or can I plug everything in to test, then mount them and plug them back in again? My brother in law will be mounting them, ideally I'd like to get setup beforehand, have them mounted then reconnect.

Ya set them up first to make sure everything ok

DaveyDave · 11-10-2020 11:46pm

machiavellianme wrote: »

Try rfconcepts.ie
You can make up that kit for 472 with the higher specced DS-2CD2347G1-LU camera which has a microphone but the L model doesn't (discounted when multi buy is enabled).
I'd also go for the 7608 nvr as you can support 8 cameras instead of 4 (future proofing) and 2 hard drives instead of 1 (in case of HDD failure). Comes in at 547 including delivery so only 30 more than the one on cctv Ireland for a better nvr and cameras. Assuming you meant this kit:

https://www.cctvireland.ie/two-camera-cctv-kit-with-4mp-colorvu-cameras-from-hikvision-1tb.html

Edit: I see an option to upgrade the cameras on cctv Ireland too, bringing it to 544. I'd still pick the 7608 nvr on rfconcepts for the extra 3 euro though.

I definitely won't need 8 channels, this is just to keep an eye on things. I wouldn't have anywhere to put more than 4 cameras anyway and I have room for 2 additional cameras if needed.

I don't see a 2.8mm with a microphone but the two cameras without a mic, 5m/20m cable and 2TB 7604 is €504 Vs €562, that's a nice saving!

bobbyy gee · 11-10-2020 11:52pm

Lex Luthor wrote: »

I bought all mine from freetv.ie

EZ by Dahua™ 4 Way NVR (6MP w/ 4x PoE)
EZ by Dahua™ 4MP Turret Network Camera (30m IR, 2.8mm Lens)

Mine is a semi d but has a garage to the side
I've mounted the camera underneath the canopy over the garage which is practically at the side of the house by the entrance

If I angle it towards the front door it will almost cover the full drive and front garden
I think a 3.6mm would be fine for what you are looking for

try and get a camera that gets a license plate

for 20 euro you can get a driveway detector it beeps if someone walks up your driveway

you can also get motion detectot light that also beeps if it gets movement

Daith · 12-10-2020 9:15am

Hi all,

If I was to go for something like this

https://www.cctvireland.ie/two-camera-cctv-kit-with-4mp-colorvu-cameras-from-hikvision-1tb.html

Do you know if the cameras can be installed through the soffits? I'm potentially getting external insulation added to the house and it would be nice not to worry about drilling into the insulation.

DaveyDave · 12-10-2020 1:35pm

Daith wrote: »

Hi all,

If I was to go for something like this

https://www.cctvireland.ie/two-camera-cctv-kit-with-4mp-colorvu-cameras-from-hikvision-1tb.html

Do you know if the cameras can be installed through the soffits? I'm potentially getting external insulation added to the house and it would be nice not to worry about drilling into the insulation.

I think that's usually the preferred method for a lot of people as opposed to going through the brick. Just make sure you have the right lens camera, if it's two or three storey then 2.8mm might be too wide. Similarly a 4mm might be too narrow view for a single storey. Depends on what you want to see i.e overview of the road, a driveway/gate etc.

Also have a look at the website RF Concepts that machiavellianme mentioned a few posts back, the same kit is around €60 less.

Daith · 12-10-2020 2:06pm

DaveyDave wrote: »

I think that's usually the preferred method for a lot of people as opposed to going through the brick. Just make sure you have the right lens camera, if it's two or three storey then 2.8mm might be too wide. Similarly a 4mm might be too narrow view for a single storey. Depends on what you want to see i.e overview of the road, a driveway/gate etc.

Also have a look at the website RF Concepts that machiavellianme mentioned a few posts back, the same kit is around €60 less.

Cheers, thanks for that. It's for a two storey typical Dublin council house. Will have a look at website.

Lex Luthor · 12-10-2020 2:45pm

Daith wrote: »

Cheers, thanks for that. It's for a two storey typical Dublin council house. Will have a look at website.

if you mount it in the soffit of a standard 2 storey house with a 2.8mm lens then I would imagine you would be capturing most of the street

the FOV angle for a 2.8mm is just over 100deg which is very wide from about 16.5ft above ground

I have 2x 2.8mm mounted about 7ft above ground and its ok for that but if I was to go from the roof soffit I would go maybe 6mm lens

Best way to check what I did was find the FOV angle for the camera you are considering, say for example its a 2.8mm lens with a fov of 100 deg

get 2 sticks and make an internal angle of 100deg or close as and point that angle in the direction of what you want to detect at the height you are planning to mount the camera

in between that angle is typically what it will view

machiavellianme · 12-10-2020 8:52pm

While not perfect, this calculator will give you a feeling of the different lenses and what you might see. Some of the features require an account but you'll get the jist between the 2.8mm, 4mm and 6mm versions. https://calculator.ipvm.com/

alanhiggyno1 · 13-10-2020 10:02pm

Anyone recommend any good cctv deals on amazon prime. So many different brands and same specs and different prices

rayzercork · 13-10-2020 10:13pm

just make sure the guards dont know its there otherwise theyre gonna haunt you whenever something happens. had the same problem a while back..

Aquos76 · 13-10-2020 10:23pm

alanhiggyno1 wrote: »

Anyone recommend any good cctv deals on amazon prime. So many different brands and same specs and different prices

Stay away from anything made by swan would be my advice

alanhiggyno1 · 13-10-2020 10:38pm

Aquos76 wrote: »

Stay away from anything made by swan would be my advice

Oh really thanks ðŸ‘. What would u recommend. so many different ones on prime day that would be good value

DaveyDave · 14-10-2020 6:24pm

Got my delivery from RF Concepts today, glad I didn't pay for next day or express shipping since it was next day anyway! Very easy to set up, just have to wait for them to be installed on the walls. Lovely bit of kit.

I must look into that Australian firmware to have the LEDs come on with motion as the back garden would be very dark.

Granite Head · 15-10-2020 10:04pm

Thanks for this thread - reading it with interest. I'm looking at setting up a CCTV system myself.

Based on the great advice in this thread currently looking at;

Hikvision NVR 4ch With POE DS-7604NI-K1/4P
3x Hikvision DS-2CD2347G1-LU ColorVu IP 4mm & Mic Turret Cameras

A few questions;

(1) looking to add a cheap internal camera to complete the system - any suggestions?
(2) Two of the cameras will be wall mounted with the cable running down the (brick) wall (from the roof) to them. Do I need a junction box to fix and connect the cameras?
(3) Also looking at possibly using a bracket (Hikvision DS-1273ZJ-135 Wall Bracket VF IP Dome) to improve the viewing angle and mount to the wall. Does this need a junction box? Or does it replace a junction box?

TIA

machiavellianme · 15-10-2020 10:50pm

I have one camera set up as you described and didn't use any junction boxes or brackets. That's not to say they mightnt be useful, they just aren't essential.

Dupont · 08-11-2020 10:55am

Hi all. Reading back over all the posts and my mind is fried on what to go for. I’m looking for a 3 camera system. Wired but can you have one wireless camera aswell? It’s going on a bungalow so will be about 7-8 foot off the ground. Not ir as that attracts spiders. Is it white light or something I’m looking for? And I remember reading not to use coax cable but some newer system? Has anyone got any links for such a system. Tia

Lex Luthor · 08-11-2020 11:05am

Dupont wrote: »

Hi all. Reading back over all the posts and my mind is fried on what to go for. I’m looking for a 3 camera system. Wired but can you have one wireless camera aswell? It’s going on a bungalow so will be about 7-8 foot off the ground. Not ir as that attracts spiders. Is it white light or something I’m looking for? And I remember reading not to use coax cable but some newer system? Has anyone got any links for such a system. Tia

Hi, the system I used is all wired, using POE

Both my cameras are about 7-8' off the ground and have no issues with spiders

In now 6 months and I havent had to clear any cobwebs off them yet
Even if I did it would take a few seconds

the 2TB hard drive I have gives me about 21 days recordings with both cameras being 4MP units

Dupont · 08-11-2020 11:16am

Lex Luthor wrote: »

Hi, the system I used is all wired, using POE

Both my cameras are about 7-8' off the ground and have no issues with spiders

In now 6 months and I havent had to clear any cobwebs off them yet
Even if I did it would take a few seconds

the 2TB hard drive I have gives me about 21 days recordings with both cameras being 4MP units

Would you have a link for your system

Lex Luthor · 08-11-2020 11:53am

https://www.freetv.ie/4-channel-nvr/

these were the cameras
EZ by Dahua™ 4MP Turret Network Camera (30m IR, 2.8mm Lens)
CODE: 15K_20055_KD

Morries Wigs · 12-11-2020 11:01am

due to vandalism im looking for a non wireless small camera that i can put behind windows front of the house keep an eye on the windows from getting done in any recommendations

any help appreciated thanks

Lex Luthor · 12-11-2020 4:21pm

not sure about putting behind windows looking out from the inside

any IR camera will reflect the LED's off the glass from the inside and will just show up as a a glare and you'll see nothing

DaveyDave · 13-11-2020 12:55am

The Hikvision ColorVu solve that problem if you can afford it, although you may have a limited view from the window depending on where you put it. You'll get some reflection from light inside the room and from outside lights. Rain will also be a bit of an issue. You can see ok but not great.

Dupont · 16-12-2020 10:56pm

Can all hikivision cameras be looked at on your phone through the app

machiavellianme · 16-12-2020 11:15pm

Dupont wrote: »

Can all hikivision cameras be looked at on your phone through the app

All ip cameras, yes.
Some of the older turbos, no.

DaveyDave · 21-12-2020 12:48pm

I was already very impressed by the ColorVu in almost total darkness on my road as everything was clearly visible and had good detail but now that the street lights are on bloody hell, it's such a bright and clear image. I had concerns about the camera as car lights were lighting up the image as if they had the power of the sun and rear reg plates were completely obscured by lights but this was likely the sensitivity being cranked due to extremely low light. I'm not sure if you can adjust settings to compensate for that but it's not an issue now with increased ambient light. Everything is very clear, has nice colour and car lights aren't overexposed anymore.

Two minor downsides so far that are just due to my camera placement. With the camera mounted under my bedroom window I can't have my front windows in view without cutting off my car but I have it angled to the side a bit so my front door and side gate area are in view in the corner. Also because the path is outside my house anyone walking past is in the cameras view of my car so I have to limit motion detection to the front half of my parking spaces.

I'll probably add another 2.8mm under the roof to keep an eye on the road in general and maybe help with motion detection alerts due to a less obscured view.

machiavellianme · 22-12-2020 12:46am

The newer g2 colorvu have acusense which cuts out most of the false alarms and sorts shots with cars or with people from ones with animals or leaves. Might be of use to some.

Dupont · 22-12-2020 12:48am

I bought a hikivision cctv kit. What type of cable do I need to plug into my broadband modem and then into the hard drive box for the cameras. Does this allow me to view it from my phone then?

22-12-2020 12:50am

Dupont wrote: »

I bought a hikivision cctv kit. What type of cable do I need to plug into my broadband modem and then into the hard drive box for the cameras. Does this allow me to view it from my phone then?

Network cable, like a bigger phone cable should be the one.

If you have the correct settings, you can watch online. Should be in the instructions

DaveyDave · 22-12-2020 12:54am

Dupont wrote: »

I bought a hikivision cctv kit. What type of cable do I need to plug into my broadband modem and then into the hard drive box for the cameras. Does this allow me to view it from my phone then?

If they're IP cameras then you just plug an ethernet cable from the camera into the recorder, and then the recorder to the modem. Activate platform access in the network settings on the recorder and sign in with Hik Connect app (has to be downloaded from their website, at least for Android)

Dupont · 22-12-2020 8:27am

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Network cable, like a bigger phone cable should be the one.

If you have the correct settings, you can watch online. Should be in the instructions

Just googling it is that a cat 6 cable?

22-12-2020 5:07pm

Dupont wrote: »

Just googling it is that a cat 6 cable?

yes, with a RJ45 male connection. Most people have a few hanging around from routers, Virgin media and so on

Dupont · 24-12-2020 11:09pm

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

yes, with a RJ45 male connection. Most people have a few hanging around from routers, Virgin media and so on

There’s a slot on the recorder labelled LAN. Is this the slot for it?

DaveyDave · 11-01-2021 5:29pm

One of the CCTV YouTube channels had a video about the 8MP ColorVu bullet, mentioned something about turrets coming soon, anyone know anything about this?

machiavellianme · 15-01-2021 9:47am

Dupont wrote: »

Hi all. Reading back over all the posts and my mind is fried on what to go for. I’m looking for a 3 camera system. Wired but can you have one wireless camera aswell? It’s going on a bungalow so will be about 7-8 foot off the ground. Not ir as that attracts spiders. Is it white light or something I’m looking for? And I remember reading not to use coax cable but some newer system? Has anyone got any links for such a system. Tia

Lex Luthor wrote: »

Hi, the system I used is all wired, using POE

Both my cameras are about 7-8' off the ground and have no issues with spiders

In now 6 months and I havent had to clear any cobwebs off them yet
Even if I did it would take a few seconds

the 2TB hard drive I have gives me about 21 days recordings with both cameras being 4MP units

Technically, the IR attracts flies and insects. The problem is worst during the summer. They end up triggering thousands of false positives overnight if you have motion detection enabled as they fly towards the glowing red lamp. It's possible to reduce that number by using line crossing, intrusion or face detection etc. (Face detection is pretty useless at night in many cases so don't rely on this only).
Spiders also notice these insects and decide to construct a web close to the glowing red IR lamp. They can do so in just a few hours and the web can also cause spurious alarms. You can be lucky and have none for a while but they eventually do turn up and they keep coming back. Knocking the Web might buy you a few days but it does not stop the insects.
I've moved all my older cameras to locations with flood lights now to avoid ever using the IR.

Pete123456 · 21-03-2021 7:06pm

Maybe someone in the know could help me. I’m looking for an incline mount for a Colorvu G2 to mount in an inclined eave to level the camera. Which is the correct hik mount model to buy so that it fits?

Looking at the ones here - maybe none of them are suitable... https://securitywatch.ie/index.php/catalogsearch/result/?q=Incline

altor · 24-03-2021 8:50pm

Pete123456 wrote: »

Maybe someone in the know could help me. I’m looking for an incline mount for a Colorvu G2 to mount in an inclined eave to level the camera. Which is the correct hik mount model to buy so that it fits?

Looking at the ones here - maybe none of them are suitable... https://securitywatch.ie/index.php/catalogsearch/result/?q=Incline

https://securitywatch.ie/index.php/hikvision-inclined-ceiling-mount-ds-1281zj-m.html

kk.man · 30-03-2021 12:10pm

Got a quote for installation as follows;

8 channel 5MP DVR with AcuSense Technology
4TB Hard Drive
22” Monitor
2 X Planet unidirectional transceiver
Hikvision 4 Port Gigabit Unmanaged POE Switch
Hikvision DS-2CE78H8T-IT3F 60m X 4 cameras
Hikvision DS-2CD2346G2-IU 30m IR, AcuSense, x 2 cameras
IP Enclosure for Yard Equipment

Reptuble company and includes installation

Quote 2,900 euro

What do you think, is it a fair price?

Pete123456 · 01-04-2021 9:06pm

kk.man wrote: »

Got a quote for installation as follows;

8 channel 5MP DVR with AcuSense Technology
4TB Hard Drive
22” Monitor
2 X Planet unidirectional transceiver
Hikvision 4 Port Gigabit Unmanaged POE Switch
Hikvision DS-2CE78H8T-IT3F 60m X 4 cameras
Hikvision DS-2CD2346G2-IU 30m IR, AcuSense, x 2 cameras
IP Enclosure for Yard Equipment

Reptuble company and includes installation

Quote 2,900 euro

What do you think, is it a fair price?

Based on quotes I got recently for a home cctv system I would say it’s very fair.

Does anybody know if it’s possible to hire an ip cam tester? Just looking to make some adjustments to the fields of view

machiavellianme · 01-04-2021 11:09pm

kk.man wrote: »

Got a quote for installation as follows;

8 channel 5MP DVR with AcuSense Technology
4TB Hard Drive
22” Monitor
2 X Planet unidirectional transceiver
Hikvision 4 Port Gigabit Unmanaged POE Switch
Hikvision DS-2CE78H8T-IT3F 60m X 4 cameras
Hikvision DS-2CD2346G2-IU 30m IR, AcuSense, x 2 cameras
IP Enclosure for Yard Equipment

Reptuble company and includes installation

Quote 2,900 euro

What do you think, is it a fair price?

Ask for the DS-2CD2346G2-IU to be made into the DS-2CD2347G2-IU.
The latter is the newer version of the ColorVu but also has Acusense. Game changer!

Also, it's odd to see the mix of cameras above as the acusense are IP Network cameras (ethernet) whereas the others are Turbo (coax).

You could probably do the above for about 1500 DIY but each to their own.

Aquos76 · 01-04-2021 11:27pm

machiavellianme wrote: »

Ask for the DS-2CD2346G2-IU to be made into the DS-2CD2347G2-IU.
The latter is the newer version of the ColorVu but also has Acusense. Game changer!

Also, it's odd to see the mix of cameras above as the acusense are IP Network cameras (ethernet) whereas the others are Turbo (coax).

You could probably do the above for about 1500 DIY but each to their own.

Aren't those ColorVU camera abit intrusive with the light on them all night, I had a 5mp Dahua one i got before Christmas and put it up there yesterday just to try it out and tbh, I thought the white light was very bright on it.

machiavellianme · 02-04-2021 8:36am

Aquos76 wrote: »

Aren't those ColorVU camera abit intrusive with the light on them all night, I had a 5mp Dahua one i got before Christmas and put it up there yesterday just to try it out and tbh, I thought the white light was very bright on it.

It depends on the firmware. I have been running an Australian version which only triggers the white light on detection. Admittedly you need to have a bit of light from the street or other sources to allow it see enough to identify any movement. It really depends on your installation, but I far prefer it to my old Darkfighters and their IR attracting insects to the red glow!

ramirodelojo · 02-06-2021 5:12pm

If you think that most security systems are similar to each other, then you are of course partly right. However, there are striking differences between wired and modern wireless options. You can read more about it on the internet, if you're interested. For example, I advise you to take a look at ajax, which has the ability to fully manage through a mobile application on a smartphone. You can simultaneously control the cameras and view the image from them online and edit the sensitivity of some sensors. This is very convenient.

Effects · 03-06-2021 10:53am

I've got cat 6 points outside for cctv. IP Cameras have rj45 and power connectors. Can I run the data over 3 pairs on the cat 6, and then just use the other two for power? Am I right to think 4 pairs are only needed for high speed data?

Pete123456 · 03-06-2021 2:55pm

Effects wrote: »

I've got cat 6 points outside for cctv. IP Cameras have rj45 and power connectors. Can I run the data over 3 pairs on the cat 6, and then just use the other two for power? Am I right to think 4 pairs are only needed for high speed data?

If the cameras have rj45 points you probably don’t need the power (unless they’re high powered ptz or something) just connect the cat 6 cable into the camera and the other end into the NVR - that should be enough

poker--addict · 09-08-2021 8:18am

Is there a huge saving in doing this DIY? Is there much of a middle ground in terms of buying the gear my self and paying someone to install?

I am far from an electrician but I suspect I could self install, but that comes with the time cost of several hours figuring it out, as well as doing the actual install.

will be looking at a system with at least 4 cameras, likely 6.

CCTV

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