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2019 Atlantic Hurricane Season

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,234 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    Villain wrote: »
    Lorenzo is going to be interesting to watch, except for all the comparisons to Ophelia already!

    GFS last two OP runs have it dropping South of us:

    Lorenzo1.jpg

    If two storms of this nature track over us in as many years, that is no longer anomalous and something is up.

    We're in for an interesting couple of weeks, but arguably, an extremely interesting and less predictable climate from this point forward.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,065 ✭✭✭Santy2015


    sdanseo wrote: »
    If two storms of this nature track over us in as many years, that is no longer anomalous and something is up.

    We're in for an interesting couple of weeks, but arguably, an extremely interesting and less predictable climate from this point forward.

    What are the chances of this? Doesn’t look like happening


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,234 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    Santy2015 wrote: »
    What are the chances of this? Doesn’t look like happening

    Still probably quite slim. GFS model has been consistent for a week nearly but a big deviation to the east today to bring it directly towards us.

    ECM shows it following the original GFS track, but also trending slightly eastward.

    Best case scenario, it'll get absorbed somewhere north of the azores and be a bit windy.

    Current worst case scenario shown on any chart is maybe sustained wind of 40-50kt, nowhere near a hurricane but certainly in red warning territory for here.

    I have a transatlantic flight on the 3rd around lunchtime. If it's disrupted it'll be the least excited I've ever been for a storm!


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,068 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Tropical Storm Lorenzo progressing showing bands rotating within the circulation , NHC saying it has an intensity of 55kts. Not progressing as fast as previously modeled yet still in a favorable environment to intensify into a Hurricane by tomorrow.



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    NHC

    FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

    INIT 24/1500Z 12.4N 29.3W 55 KT 65 MPH
    12H 25/0000Z 12.9N 31.3W 65 KT 75 MPH
    24H 25/1200Z 13.6N 34.0W 75 KT 85 MPH
    36H 26/0000Z 14.2N 36.6W 85 KT 100 MPH
    48H 26/1200Z 15.0N 38.8W 95 KT 110 MPH
    72H 27/1200Z 18.0N 41.9W 100 KT 115 MPH
    96H 28/1200Z 21.1N 44.3W 105 KT 120 MPH
    120H 29/1200Z 23.9N 45.3W 100 KT 115 MPH


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,065 ✭✭✭Santy2015


    Windy.com has it tracking west of Ireland. All up in the air, didn’t Ophelia change to an eastern direction after veering west?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,234 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    Santy2015 wrote: »
    Windy.com has it tracking west of Ireland. All up in the air, didn’t Ophelia change to an eastern direction after veering west?

    Nope. Bear in mind these graphics start and end when NHC advisories did, specifically ending very abruptly as soon as it went extratropical despite having major impacts here.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    The GFS, despite its upgrade, has performed terribly this season. On each storm it has been completely wild of the mark in the early stages of the developing systems. The ECM has been king again, so I would be siding with it more for now, backed up by the fact that most other models are showing similar.

    There is still a large area of dry air for Lorenzo to get through as it swings a little more northwestwards now. The SHIPS had been jumping at rapid intensification this time yesterday, but it's backed well back down in today's runs. Despite the vis and IR imagery showing some banding, microwave scans show no real organisation of deep convection nor a central core. We'd be needing to see something better than this develop or it may not reach the Cat 3 promise it has been showing. In 5 days it will be getting out over colder seas around 26 N.

    Water vapour
    20190924.2000.msg4.x.wv1km.13LLORENZO.55kts-997mb-126N-303W.100pc.jpg

    Ocean Heat Content
    2019AL13_OHCNFCST_201909241800.GIF


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 4,467 Mod ✭✭✭✭mickger844posts


    Mod Note: Let’s keep the thread on topic and leave any other theories or beliefs about other subjects out of this thread. Thanks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,951 ✭✭✭✭Villain


    Lorenzo has got going and is now the 5th Hurricane

    https://twitter.com/carlowweather/status/1176787922441375745?s=21

    The forecast track show it mainly staying out West of us

    https://twitter.com/carlowweather/status/1176776989296009217?s=21


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,234 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    No fewer than six of those ensembles having some impact on us. 3-4 would be concerning and one brings a Category 2 Hurricane to Mayo.

    Still, the other 14 of them make it Iceland's problem. All just model vomit for now.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    A big switch in the GFS Op (AVNO), Ensemble mean (AEMN) and Control run (AC00) between 00Z and 06Z runs. A total swing west now, especially the op, which has the track now west of Ireland instead of over France and Germany. As stated, all still model vomit for now.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    That's a big area of dry air that Lorenzo will be fighting over the next day or so. Can already see some of it being entrained into the western side. It might slow down intensification a little.

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,068 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    NHC Storm Description:
    25 Sep 2019 - 15:00 UTC ...LORENZO CONTINUES TO STRENGTHEN... ...EXPECTED TO BECOME A MAJOR HURRICANE BY THURSDAY... As of 11:00 AM AST Wed Sep 25 the center of Lorenzo was located near 14.1, -35.1 with movement WNW at 17 mph. The minimum central pressure was 983 mb with maximum sustained winds of about 85 mph.

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    Projected strength increased a bit again.

    NHC


    FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

    INIT 25/1500Z 14.1N 35.1W 75 KT 85 MPH
    12H 26/0000Z 14.4N 37.1W 85 KT 100 MPH
    24H 26/1200Z 15.3N 39.2W 100 KT 115 MPH
    36H 27/0000Z 16.7N 40.8W 110 KT 125 MPH
    48H 27/1200Z 18.4N 42.2W 110 KT 125 MPH
    72H 28/1200Z 21.9N 44.2W 110 KT 125 MPH
    96H 29/1200Z 25.0N 44.5W 105 KT 120 MPH
    120H 30/1200Z 29.0N 42.0W 105 KT 120 MPH

    $$
    Forecaster Beven


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,234 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    Has there ever been a Cat 4 east of 30°W?
    6-11mph shy on that forecast and headed eastbound.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,068 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Wind speeds continue to rise, pressure dropping .

    https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/storminfo/

    Hurricane LORENZO
    As of 18:00 UTC Sep 25, 2019:

    Location: 14.3°N 36.3°W
    Maximum Winds: 80 kt Gusts: 100 kt
    Minimum Central Pressure: 978 mb
    Environmental Pressure: 1012 mb
    Radius of Circulation: 180 NM
    Radius of Maximum Wind: 20 NM

    64 kt Wind Radii by Quadrant:



    https://twitter.com/philklotzbach/status/1176877147580821504?s=20

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,234 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    Models are struggling.

    It veers wildly west in the 18Z GFS as well, but also deepens to 930mb or the equivalent of a Category 4 storm, almost as far north as Iceland while still retaining some tropical features.
    That's just not going to happen.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    sdanseo wrote: »
    Models are struggling.

    It veers wildly west in the 18Z GFS as well, but also deepens to 930mb or the equivalent of a Category 4 storm, almost as far north as Iceland while still retaining some tropical features.
    That's just not going to happen.

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    It's really only the GFS that's been struggling, varying from Poland to Greenland in the space of 3 runs. The others have been fairly consistent.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    sdanseo wrote: »
    No fewer than six of those ensembles having some impact on us. 3-4 would be concerning and one brings a Category 2 Hurricane to Mayo.

    Still, the other 14 of them make it Iceland's problem. All just model vomit for now.

    Lovely idea! What was that hit here an hour or so ago? Still deluging , hammering, gusting.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,645 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Graces7 wrote: »
    Lovely idea! What was that hit here an hour or so ago? Still deluging , hammering, gusting.

    Nice and calm here Grace.

    Amazing how our weather varies so much for such a small island. And thanks for that.

    At least it's never boring!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,234 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    Already in the upper end of Category 3
    Category 4 predicted in under 12 hours
    Still predicted 95kt (1kt under Cat 3) as it takes aim at the Azores on Monday who must surely start taking this seriously soon.
    Hurricane Lorenzo Special Discussion Number 15
    NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL132019
    600 AM AST Thu Sep 26 2019

    Shortly after the issuance of the 0900 UTC advisory, Lorenzo's eye
    quickly and drastically became more apparent in conventional
    satellite imagery. The slightly ragged but clearing eye of the
    hurricane is surrounded by very cold cloud tops, and it has become
    clear that Lorenzo is rapidly intensifying. A 0900 UTC TAFB Dvorak
    classification of 6.0/6.0 (115 kt) was used as the primary basis for
    increasing the intensity of Lorenzo. Because objective fixes from
    just a few hours ago were much lower, the intensity of the hurricane
    has been increased, perhaps conservatively, to 110 kt. Since this is
    10 kt above the previous 12-h forecast, a special advisory is
    required to update the intensity forecast.

    Additional strengthening is possible later today. Earlier intensity
    guidance indicated that Lorenzo's intensity should level off in a
    day or so, though none of the guidance correctly anticipated the
    rate at which the hurricane has strengthened this morning. Now that
    the hurricane has a closed eyewall, fluctuations in intensity due to
    eyewall replacement cycles are also possible, though this is not
    explicitly reflected in the updated forecast. By the end of the
    forecast period, the updated NHC forecast is relaxed to the original
    forecast and shows some gradual weakening. Further adjustments,
    especially at 72 h and beyond, may be required later this morning.

    No changes were made to the track forecast, which is based on the
    previous regular advisory.

    FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

    INIT 26/1000Z 15.2N 39.3W 110 KT 125 MPH
    12H 26/1800Z 16.0N 40.6W 120 KT 140 MPH
    24H 27/0600Z 17.7N 41.9W 120 KT 140 MPH
    36H 27/1800Z 19.5N 43.0W 115 KT 130 MPH
    48H 28/0600Z 21.2N 43.8W 110 KT 125 MPH
    72H 29/0600Z 24.6N 43.5W 100 KT 115 MPH
    96H 30/0600Z 28.0N 42.0W 100 KT 115 MPH
    120H 01/0600Z 33.0N 38.0W 95 KT 110 MPH


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,951 ✭✭✭✭Villain


    Lorenzo is a major Cat 3 Hurricane now with some rapid increase in wind speeds

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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,645 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Woah...

    Enough for the outer bands to effect us at the very least?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,234 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Woah...

    Enough for the outer bands to effect us at the very least?

    Impossible to tell. It's still 3000nm away (not to mention currently travelling in the opposite direction) and forecast to start weakening when still 1500nm away. It could be anything from a light breeze to a major problem here, but looks increasingly likely to bring at least some disruption in the Azores.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 845 ✭✭✭tylercollins


    Now a CAT4.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,981 ✭✭✭JanuarySnowstor


    The Icon brings it in across the South


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    Now a CAT4.
    .

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    Latest wind radii.

    13L-2DWIND.GIF


  • Registered Users Posts: 197 ✭✭snowjon


    While its exact ranking will be determined later, Lorenzo is one of
    the largest and most powerful hurricanes of record for the central
    tropical Atlantic, with the only comparable hurricane in recent
    times near there being Gabrielle of 1989.

    ^^From the latest NHC discussion on Lorenzo
    https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh/MIATCDAT3+shtml/261453.shtml?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,981 ✭✭✭JanuarySnowstor


    Interesting that the gfs brings it much closer to Ireland on this evenings run. Still a miss but not by much!
    Will the ECM follow suit??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,219 ✭✭✭pad199207


    Really gearing up now
    The way things have been lately I wouldn’t be surprised to see a Cat 5

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    The parallels with 2004 will be interesting to see once this season ends. It got off to a later start thanks to Saharan dust, but the Modoki El Nino phenomenon has had more or less the same result - a back-loaded season in which wind shear plummeted across the basin as the summer progressed.

    For comparison:

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    I'm not entirely sure on the mechanics of how this SST setup in the Pacific enhances the Atlantic hurricane season, but it seems to have two components - one is, fairly straightforwardly, that increased convection West of the date line generates upper-level outflow, which travels Eastward before sinking over the Eastern Pacific and choking tropical disturbances and thunderstorms in that area. Consequently, upper-level outflow from the Eastern Pacific, which would normally suppress the Atlantic to some degree in the same manner, is reduced.

    However, the second component is beyond my current level of understanding - the SST setup affects the Walker Circulation in a way which reduces upper-level wind shear over the Atlantic when El Nino conditions are displaced into the Central rather than the Eastern Pacific. This is partly what led to such an extreme hurricane season in 2004 and subsequently the record breaking season in 2005 - this pattern, in combination with the ongoing positive AMO phase, allowed major hurricanes to spin up in July 2005 where normally wind shear and subsidence from Eastern Pacific storms' outflow would choke most tropical waves before they have a chance to build a closed circulation.

    If this pattern holds, it wouldn't surprise me to see this season continuing to be extremely active into the Winter, followed by an early burst of activity next summer, similar to 2004 and 2005 respectively. The only factor which is out of sync is the PDO, which is a lot higher now than it was in the 2000s - but as evidenced by 2017, the PDO isn't nearly as influential as ENSO when it comes to Atlantic tropical cyclogenesis.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 358 ✭✭YanSno


    Lorenzo has been intensifying substantially in the early to middle hours of today, and is now a strong Category 4 on the Saffir Simpson Scale. Further intensification is likely later today , Lorenzo could affect the Azores with over 100mph winds before turning post-tropical and potentially threatening Europe or Greenland.

    ***This update was provided by a colleague in force thirteen i requested some info about Lorenzo's influence on Ireland. He included Cork in the video update
    ***Credit Force Thirteen
    https://youtu.be/8sYqhzsEk8A


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 358 ✭✭YanSno


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,219 ✭✭✭pad199207


    That is one enormous hurricane

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,068 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Just some observations about the track of what will be left of Lorenzo ( by then probably an Ex Tropical cyclone ) when it moves further N towards us.

    ECM has been very consistent in taking the system well off the W coast now for a number of days. The latest run a bit closer but still keeping the strongest winds well off shore. GFS now looking more like the ECM ,GEM resembling the same track also.

    The three models mentioned go on to show the remnants of Lorenzo being absorbed into a large area of LP initially taking the system well away from Ireland.

    Currently at over 7 days out looks like a powerful storm when it reaches off the SW / W . A lot could change but worth keeping a daily log of what the models are projecting . Would need to keep an eye on rainfall also.





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  • Registered Users Posts: 589 ✭✭✭aisling86


    It's absolutely fascinating looking at it on windy and how the LP catapults it, once it hits the Azores it speeds up alot.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,981 ✭✭✭JanuarySnowstor


    Needs watching as it's only a hares breath from a direct hit. While it remains modelled to our West overall concensus today is to move it closer to our shore than what was previously thought


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,666 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    aisling86 wrote: »
    It's absolutely fascinating looking at it on windy and how the LP catapults it, once it hits the Azores it speeds up alot.

    Always found it fascinating that hurricanes basically wouldn't move if it wasn't for 'external' effects - that even though they're intensely strong bundles of wind, their natural state is geographically stationary. We just saw a reminder of that with Dorian.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    All >=115kt hurricanes since 1960 on or after 26th September. Unless I've made a howler in analysing the data, #Lorenzo is quite an anomaly.

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    credit:
    https://twitter.com/catinsight


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,901 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Ophelia was a more extreme in it's path, that was mid October.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,234 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    Ophelia was a more extreme in it's path, that was mid October.

    Topped out at 115mph, around 100kt, due east of the Azores halfway between them and mainland Portugal. Would be interesting to see the graphic with all >=100kt systems.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Needs watching as it's only a hares breath from a direct hit. While it remains modelled to our West overall concensus today is to move it closer to our shore than what was previously thought

    Do you mean a " hair's breadth"? Maybe your version is more interesting! And sure, what is one more gale here! As she listens to wind and rain battering the dwelling.. ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,901 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    sdanseo wrote: »
    Topped out at 115mph, around 100kt, due east of the Azores halfway between them and mainland Portugal. Would be interesting to see the graphic with all >=100kt systems.

    Yes, I thought the reference was for positioning for every major hurricance.

    The image is correct. :cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,484 ✭✭✭Jpmarn


    Just started a new thread on Lorenzo due to a possible threat on Ireland next week. You can continue discussing this storm there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    Meanwhile, Typhoon Mitag is spinning up northeast of Manila and looks like brushing by Taiwan, Shanghai and making landfall in South Korea as a Cat 1 next Wednesday. For a while it was looking a little further east and slower, possibly coming closer to Kobe, where Ireland will play Samoa on Thursday.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    The 2019 season so far.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    The 2019 Atlantic season was extremely quiet up to the last week in August, but then spung to action and generated several named storms, two of which reached Cat 5 status (Dorian and Lorenzo). This timing perfectly matched the climatological peak activity, which is centred around September 10th.

    The reasons for the enhanced activity are primarily the ENSO-nuetral conditions, the timing of Madden Julian Oscillation (Phase 1 occuring right at that time) and the warm phase of the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation (a natural warming of waters in the North Atlantic, which is known to enhance tropical activity).

    Lorenzo had the best possible conditons to rapidly intensify;

    -it developed in the an area typical for the time of year (MDA)
    -it was passing over a warm anomaly of SST due to the warm AMO (although the depth of this warmth (ocean heat content) was a little lower than typically needed for rapid intensification),
    -perfect timing of the spike in MJO, which enhanced convection in that particular area. At the same time the activity decreased in the western Atlantic, with Humerto, Jerry and Karen fizzling out),
    -low wind shear in the area due to the MJO and ENSO neutral conditions.

    These factors were enough to overcome some dry air and marginal ocean heat content. The approach of the NW Atlantic trough later on helped vent the storm poleward and keep pressure lower than it otherwise have been as it accelerated towards the Azores.

    The ECMWF forecasts the MJO to remain in Phase 1 for the next couple of weeks but at a lower amplitude than during September. The SST have reduced and the main development region retreats back west towards the Caribbean.

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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,151 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    Not usually too interested in typhoons, but Typhoon Hagibis is now of interest (RWC : Ireland vs Samoa)!!!

    @Gaoth Laidir....any updates would be very welcome!


  • Registered Users Posts: 551 ✭✭✭Wine Goddess


    DOCARCH wrote: »
    Not usually too interested in typhoons, but Typhoon Hagibis is now of interest (RWC : Ireland vs Samoa)!!!

    @Gaoth Laidir....any updates would be very welcome!

    Yes please! I'm interested too GL!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    I started a thread on Hagibis here but at the moment there looks to be little chance of it affecting the match.


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