Ryan Moore

he was shocking on kew gardens there

Brilliant jockey.

votecounts wrote: »

he was shocking on kew gardens there

Horse was having his first run of the season, and got well beat. It wouldnt be the first time for an AOb runner.

votecounts wrote: »

he was shocking on kew gardens there

The horse hates Soft ground and hadn't won on it since his 2yo maiden win in Killarney. He had to give 4lbs away to winner and 7lb to rest of the field. It was an accident waiting to happen, he actually ran above form with the 3rd place horse but the 8L winner loved the mud.

Chancer3001 wrote: »

i think its because he was so successful acouple years ago, and hes not as consistent now that hes getting flak.

He does seem to lose on a lot of favourites tho

It's fairly simple, he ain't a Richard Hughes ( who was excellent at coming from the back and getting up on the line ) but he seems to think that he is. He is dropping out most of his horses for the first half of the race and then he lacks the finesse to thread his way through a crowded or even half crowded field. What really sucks is that when he knows his chance is probably gone he then often just coasts home as if he didn't have a care in the world.

His strength is in pushing a horse out to the line where he's probably worth a pound or two of weight off a horse. He rarely rides to his strengths these days.

WicklowBrave wrote: »

Is Donnacha really going straight into training after he stops riding?

Probably just as a small satellite yard for ballydoyle but he will have his own horses as well.

slimshady007 wrote: »

He strikes me as a very capable and talented jockey, in any race I've seen him he generally always gives the horse the best chance of winning. Small sample size admittedly but I've seen lots of rides that Moore and even Joseph balls up in his day. I found it strange he didn't get a chance as number 1 like Joseph but maybe they knew he wasnt going to be riding long.

Aside from that, despite the wealth and success Aidan has kept his kids well grounded and no arrogance from them (at least in public) which is a credit to the man considering his dedication to horse training. If I were Joseph I'd likely have gone mad for a few years after winning all those group 1's but he seems just as dedicated to training as his father.

spot on, a very grounded family who are seriously focused on their profession. Never a hit of arrogance from them, they really are a credit.

tryfix wrote: »

Tee-hee, I didn't say Hughes was a super-d-duper jockey. It's just that I was looking for a jockey who could finish like a train and he was the first one that sprung to mind. :pac:

I suppose all jockeys go through bad spells and if they're lucky they get back on track. Dettori went through a pretty bad phase and he came back to put them all in the shadows on his good days.

Used to love Hughes myself during the Canford Cliffs era, probably his heyday?

On Moore, dips in form are part and parcel of the game.
He's a sitting duck as he's on the best horses, and often, the most over bet horses. Is it fair to base his performance on profit/loss to a pound with that in mind?
Ballydoyle would have no qualms about moving him on if they weren't content he was contributing to the operation and I think they have far more knowledge than us punters.

NaiveMelodies wrote: »

Used to love Hughes myself during the Canford Cliffs era, probably his heyday?

On Moore, dips in form are part and parcel of the game.
He's a sitting duck as he's on the best horses, and often, the most over bet horses. Is it fair to base his performance on profit/loss to a pound with that in mind?
Ballydoyle would have no qualms about moving him on if they weren't content he was contributing to the operation and I think they have far more knowledge than us punters.

I think Hughes went through a golden sunset to his career with horses like Sole Power showcasing his particular talents.

I don't know what to make of Moore. If he wasn't the big name that he was before he went to Coolmore I don't think he'd still be in the Job. The Coolmore crew can be fierce loyal to people who they like and they can be ruthless with top class talents that they fall out with.

Before Moore got the Coolmore job he had been a flat version of Tony McCoy, a jockey who'd push every ounce out of a horse to get it over the line in 1st place. He's still very good in a tight finish, but whether he's riding to orders or whatever he's inclined to ride an awful lot of horses from out the back which isn't a huge handicap to a horse because horses tend to run to form from the back IF they don't get blocked in or leave it too late to peg back a horse that has gone for home.

Some jockeys have the hands and vision/timing to sit quietly out the back and weave their through a field. The likes of Piggot was awesome at it. Moore ain't that kind of jockey, I cringe when I see him getting himself into a difficult position behind a few horses, he's incredibly poor at weaving his way through a field and he's riding for an outfit who are usually happy to mind a horse once it's obvious they won't be winning so he gets to coast home and the horse doesn't run to its regular level of form. He's worth a bit in a tight finish so Coolmore will eventually get their wins out of Moore and often Coolmore themselves are playing games with which of their multiple entries is primed to win on the day of a race.

It's frustrating to see him on a horse because you don't know whether you are going to get a Dr Jekyll or Mr Hyde performance. He puts me off backing O'Brien's horses, and ye can't just ignore the fact that he's on the highest rated stable entry in a big race because all things being equal that highest rated individual should be first home of O'Brien's runners and most often is.

Confirmed he is taking a trainers course - https://www.racingpost.com/news/latest/donnacha-obrien-joins-trainers-course-but-still-plans-to-continue-riding/381141

Hardly a surprise, he's a tall lad, maybe even a little taller than his brother from what I can see.

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Another peach there on Mekong at Sandown.

Horse wasn't good enough to win either way imo.