RTÉ to cease radio transmission on DAB network

NeuralNetwork · 05-03-2021 4:56pm

I'd add btw, the UK radio sector is highly regulated. It's far from an open market where anyone can hop on DAB. Ofcom's regulation isn't that different to here. The only big difference is the scale of the market makes a lot more possible.

Also a colossal 60% of the UK radio industry revenue is from the license fee. That's far more than here.

It's not ridiculously expensive to get on air here, nor does it take a ridiculous amount of revenue. The revenue's concentrated in the national stations and few of the bigger ILRs, mostly in Dublin and Cork etc, but the rest of the industry is on a shoe string in comparison, including the niche stations like Lyric and RnaG.

The majority of the Irish radio stations are small, low revenue and often held together with blue tack and string, often staffed by people on very low income and enthusiasts when you get into the more rural areas and niche stations in the cities.

kazoo106 · 05-03-2021 4:59pm

I call £200 vs €5000 p.a very different when it comes to a DAB content license though

NeuralNetwork · 05-03-2021 5:02pm

kazoo106 wrote: »

I call £200 vs €5000 p.a very different when it comes to a DAB content license though

It's a difference, yeah but if you're looking at being unable to run a business because the ANNUAL licence fee is €5000 vs €250, you'd wonder about the viability of said business at all. I pay sums like that for licensing a couple of seats of software.

Obviously if the DAB network in the UK is being supported by the BBC channels and 60% of revenues are effectively coming from the state, then it's in a very different situation to here in terms of overheads and ability to support the infrastructure, which would also be reflected in fees.

At those kinds of levels, you're really looking at community organisations, not businesses.

On the one hand you've an argument being made here that DAB should be just thrown open as a total free market, sink or swim type setup and somehow it would work and on the other they're ignoring the fact that the UK setup was extremely heavily licences fee payer funded via the BBC and others.

kazoo106 · 05-03-2021 5:08pm

I agree - but it stifles the smaller operator in Ireland today if a DAB multiplex were to appear for a year in the morning
The minimum term for a content license is 3 years with the BAI and money up front at that.

The market must be opened and see what happens - the BAI are still running in a 1989 mindset and policy seems to be dictated by the current license holders with regard to radio.

They can do as they please it seems with their formats and the BAI will comply for fear the station will fail.

The whole thing about "failing" is the problem

I say open it up and let the market decide what fails and what doesnt

NeuralNetwork · 05-03-2021 5:16pm

I'd agree the BAI tends to get involved with too much micromanagement and can be over prescriptive. I've seen a few of the tender processes for community stations and so on and they're borderline ridiculous for what's involved.

However, I do think that there's an element of lack of reality in the debate on DAB and the sector in general. The radio market's really not remotely like what it was in the 1990s when some of those big independents were bringing in huge money.

You're looking at an era where radio's going to inevitably decline somewhat, so getting it onto an even keel is quite important, at least if you want listenable programming on air and not just someone's iPod plugged into an FM transmitter or DAB encoder.

end of the road · 05-03-2021 5:21pm

NeuralNetwork wrote: »

The one area RTE could actually generate revenue from DAB might be to launch RTE Radio UK on the British DAB service as a full commercial operation, broadcasting whatever elements of Radio 1, 2FM, RnaG and Lyric for a UK audience.

It couldn't be that difficult to curate an RTE UK service based on existing content.

@Insidethetent - it's wonderful in theory but you're looking at smashing up a market that's already on its knees in terms of revenue. The pie doesn't get any bigger just because there are more slices. In a population of 4.8 million, and up against rapidly growing competition from online sources, streaming services and so on, there's zero sum game going on where the revenues aren't going up, they're actually being increasingly pulled away from radio entirely.

I don't really know that opening a market to totally unregulated competition would do the sector any good. An element of the licensing regime is for that purpose.

It's also not really like competing telephone companies or something, they're high-cost, tight revenue media outfits and some of their services provide socially necessary content like local news etc.

You're not going to get 54+ DAB stations on air here any more than you're not going to get a massive range of stuff onto DTT and when you get down to small numbers of DAB stations, the advantages of it diminish and also don't forget that a big chunk of the DAB content was and would likely be existing FM stations anyway, just duplicated on DAB.

the thing is it's not the job of the regulator to protect commercial radio, if market forces and the audience decide that certain stations aren't viable, then as sad as that is then stations just change or shut up shop, that's how it has to be.
it's the protection of the industry and the massively expensive models imposed on them that are partly killing them as well as any revenue drop.
they are high cost tight revenue media because that is the model that has been decided by the regulations, realistically there is no good reason for them to be anywhere near as high cost as they are, and realistically it's going to come crashing down in the end with consolidation and networking which i'm afraid is coming whether we want it or not.
the socially necessary content such as local news would probably be better served with community radio rather then commercial radio, license more community radio, commercial radio will eventually be no longer able to take the burdin.
we don't need complete deregulation, but we do need a modern sensible model that takes reality into account rather then thinking it's still 1989.

NeuralNetwork · 05-03-2021 5:26pm

Well, I mean the bulk of news has been consolidated since the earliest days of the ILRs when INN was setup, other than that the majority of the local stations aren't much more than generic play listers anyway, beyond their talk content.

Local news lives off some of the revenue of those ILRs though. I think consigning it to community stations would be a huge mistake as it simply wouldn't happen or the journalist wouldn't be paid.

Getting those stations to open up to DAB though has proven a futile exercise.

end of the road · 05-03-2021 5:32pm

kazoo106 wrote: »

I agree - but it stifles the smaller operator in Ireland today if a DAB multiplex were to appear for a year in the morning
The minimum term for a content license is 3 years with the BAI and money up front at that.

The market must be opened and see what happens - the BAI are still running in a 1989 mindset and policy seems to be dictated by the current license holders with regard to radio.

They can do as they please it seems with their formats and the BAI will comply for fear the station will fail.

The whole thing about "failing" is the problem

I say open it up and let the market decide what fails and what doesnt

that's it in a nut shell.
the pirate broadcasters of the 1980s existed as a fight for an alternative to rte and for the ability for further stations to broadcast, of course there were other pirate stations before the 80s.
they won that fight and we got local radio, staffed and even managed by many involved in those pioneering stations.
but now the drawbridge has been firmly pulled up behind the existing stations and it's a closed shop.
so we are back where we started, but with a load of stations playing the same thing, with a high cost base that is unnecessary and outdated.

KReid · 05-03-2021 5:48pm

radioguru02 wrote: »

Most logical solution: open the DAB platform, treat it like any other industry and let the fittest survive. That’s how the radio industry should’ve been from the start.
At the end of the day, the listener will decide.

This whole thread exploded in the last few days, it's bizarre that people re so animated about a technology that's been where for years and was rarely used.

Just picking up on this quote, and a few others like "we the tax payers paid etc"

The Commerical stations didn't want to be part of DAB, mainly down to costs and it not really be readily accessible when it was launched. So it was essentially there for any licensed broadcaster to come onto it, they just didn't want to.

We can all argue about the merits of DAB, the technology behind it etc... But again, ultimately, people's listening habits are changing. Almost all phoebe's produced bow are wireless, eliminating the FM receivers on them, so users are going to streaming services or station apps.

For people who say DAB is available in cars, yes primarily it is now bar some exceptions, however the sale of new cars has gone off a cliff since 2020, by the time the majority have a car with DAB it could be 2030. Apart from a car you need a specialist receiver for DAB, so again you are asking your listener to go and buy a new device, which is probably limited to one room in their home. Not very flexible when your phone can do all that.

Also worth looking at this from a radio a station point of view. It's more cost effective and better for business to drive people towards your own radio app. Look at Communicorp and there Goloud App, it gives you all the FM stations they have, and their opt out stations like "Today FM 90s" etc... You're locked into Communicorp then, so no matter what station you listen to on it, they benefit. Also, they can add digital advertising at the start of the stream, or place digital adverts in the existing ad breaks to boost revenue (tbh I'm not sure if this is doable on DAB, it might be so someone can call me on that).

Like it or not, the forces that dictate how we enjoy radio are primarily based on business. DAB could have worked here, but it wasnt incentivised. Smaller local stations feared it and the bigger ones saw no commercial value in it. It needed to be a a long term process with a date to switch off FM presumably and grants paid to stations to swap over.

yrreg0850 · 05-03-2021 6:11pm

RTE should never have been given control of the DAB network in the first place.

The major supplier given control of the transmission infrastructure.

The same mistake was made as was made with the telecomms. market .
There was no price cap on what Telecom /eircom/eir could charge any competitor.

Declan A Walsh · 05-03-2021 6:19pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Others may think that DAB is an obsolete distribution channel.

For me the issue with DAB is that it isn't widely adopted.
I can get station DLF on FM and DAB.
I can get about 40 channels on FM but I can get hundreds of channels on DAB and that is the value of DAB; it allows choice beyond the congested FM radio band spectrum.
DLF have other channels in addition to their standard FM Channel which is rebroadcast on DAB and those other channels take portions of what is on the main channel and add variety to it. I listed to those channels in preference to the standard channel.
DAB shouldn't be discontinued but for it to be of "added value" more must be carried on it.

What is DLF? Where do you get 40 channels on FM or is that a wide geographic spread?

Am I the only here who is getting a bit lost with all these technical-oriented posts?

kazoo106 · 05-03-2021 6:21pm

Declan - I assume the op is in Germany

Declan A Walsh · 05-03-2021 6:25pm

kazoo106 wrote: »

Declan - I assume the op is in Germany

Ah! I couldn't see the wood for the trees with all those technical talk! What does DLF stand for anyway?

kazoo106 · 05-03-2021 6:29pm

Im assuming Deutschlandfunk

end of the road · 05-03-2021 6:36pm

KReid wrote: »

This whole thread exploded in the last few days, it's bizarre that people re so animated about a technology that's been where for years and was rarely used.

Just picking up on this quote, and a few others like "we the tax payers paid etc"

The Commerical stations didn't want to be part of DAB, mainly down to costs and it not really be readily accessible when it was launched. So it was essentially there for any licensed broadcaster to come onto it, they just didn't want to.

We can all argue about the merits of DAB, the technology behind it etc... But again, ultimately, people's listening habits are changing. Almost all phoebe's produced bow are wireless, eliminating the FM receivers on them, so users are going to streaming services or station apps.

For people who say DAB is available in cars, yes primarily it is now bar some exceptions, however the sale of new cars has gone off a cliff since 2020, by the time the majority have a car with DAB it could be 2030. Apart from a car you need a specialist receiver for DAB, so again you are asking your listener to go and buy a new device, which is probably limited to one room in their home. Not very flexible when your phone can do all that.

Also worth looking at this from a radio a station point of view. It's more cost effective and better for business to drive people towards your own radio app. Look at Communicorp and there Goloud App, it gives you all the FM stations they have, and their opt out stations like "Today FM 90s" etc... You're locked into Communicorp then, so no matter what station you listen to on it, they benefit. Also, they can add digital advertising at the start of the stream, or place digital adverts in the existing ad breaks to boost revenue (tbh I'm not sure if this is doable on DAB, it might be so someone can call me on that).

Like it or not, the forces that dictate how we enjoy radio are primarily based on business. DAB could have worked here, but it wasnt incentivised. Smaller local stations feared it and the bigger ones saw no commercial value in it. It needed to be a a long term process with a date to switch off FM presumably and grants paid to stations to swap over.

it was there for any licensed broadcaster in the sense that there were muxes in parts of the country, however in truth dispite the existence of muxes it really was only available to a small number via the fact that i believe the costs to share rte's mux were expensive and as well as that, the application for a content/broadcast license was burocratic and expensive, this is being missed for some reason but still remains important in this whole discussion.
so while the existing commercial broadcasters didn't want to use it, to say that others didn't want to use it either is really speculation, because there were barriers in place that would have put off some potential operators, how many if any, we can never really know.
business under a burocratic heavily regulated model deciding against the usage of something isn't the whole story, because business is making that decisions on the basis of unnecessary and inflated and costly burdins which should not exist in a modern market, and not on pure business which should have been the way the decision could be made.

frozenfrozen · 05-03-2021 6:40pm

is there anything shared between saorview and DAB? I never looked into it and just assumed they were related because I get the same radio channels on saorview as DAB in the car

kazoo106 · 05-03-2021 6:42pm

Just the RTE Microwave ring - its there anyway and the DAB feed was also available to all main sites if needed

Andy454 · 05-03-2021 8:24pm

KReid wrote: »

This whole thread exploded in the last few days, it's bizarre that people re so animated about a technology that's been where for years and was rarely used.

Rarely used by you maybe, but many of us have used this network since it was launched, and its lifespan is far from over. There are many threads here of people who have either bought DAB radios and have asked for assistance in setting them up, so it does have a growing audience.

Some people don't even know they are on DAB in the car, as some car radios (BMW) switch automatically to RTE 1/2 DAB in areas where the signal is available over the FM frequencies.

RTE GOLD and Pulse will die if they are cut from DAB, they will go the way of BBC Three.....

KReid · 05-03-2021 10:55pm

Andy454 wrote: »

Rarely used by you maybe, but many of us have used this network since it was launched, and its lifespan is far from over. There are many threads here of people who have either bought DAB radios and have asked for assistance in setting them up, so it does have a growing audience.

Some people don't even know they are on DAB in the car, as some car radios (BMW) switch automatically to RTE 1/2 DAB in areas where the signal is available over the FM frequencies.

RTE GOLD and Pulse will die if they are cut from DAB, they will go the way of BBC Three.....

How many people do you think visit these pages regularly, there's probably a hundred or so people here who use DAB, and no doubt thousands around the country, but in comparison to people who use FM or people who steam via Internet it is rarely used, you can't seriously make an argument that it is comparable to tiger methods of broadcast because there are so few stations on it. Also worth noting these Boards are a vaccum, you'll of course meet like minded people here.

It's also rarely used in the sense that the take up was so small. Now we can all argue the facts as to why it was rarely used, of course barriers to entry, the cost, the fact it required a separate system to operate on, whatever the reason its primarily underpinned by a lack of appetite from the commercial sector and the government. In terms of car usage, we sold 88 thousand new cars in 2020, that's a drop in the ocean in terms of population, so I'd say there's a very small amount of DAB enabled cars driving around.

I have no issue with DAB, it's a reliable technology it seems, it offers better quality audio, if it had of been rolled out better it would have been grand. But we need to look at it now and what it IS and not what it could have been. The reason it's being phased out is that it hasn't worked for whatever reason, not because it's a bad technology. Maybe we'll look at it again in a few years and try a proper rollout with proper government backing.

As for the digital stations in Rte, they aren't commercial entities and Rte wanted them done away with. We should be looking at them asking why they pay people like Rick O Shea to broadcast to such a small audience with no commerical value but that's another argument for another day I guess.

frozenfrozen · 05-03-2021 11:00pm

90% of our used cars come (came) from the uk. New car sales isn't the full picture

NeuralNetwork · 06-03-2021 3:48am

frozenfrozen wrote: »

is there anything shared between saorview and DAB? I never looked into it and just assumed they were related because I get the same radio channels on saorview as DAB in the car

No they’re unrelated technologies and separate networks. RTE just bundle the same stations onto it.

DVB-T used for terrestrial television isn’t suitable for small, portable devices and often needs an external antenna on the roof. There was some interest in DVB-H which was designed with the idea of steaming tv channels to mobile devices, but it never went beyond a few experiments. I think Nokia may have produced handsets for it for some trial services in the early 2000s.

O2 Ireland trialled it in 2007 and didn’t pursue it.

donspeekinglesh · 06-03-2021 11:14am

Andy454 wrote: »

RTE GOLD and Pulse will die if they are cut from DAB, they will go the way of BBC Three.....

BBC Three seems to be doing okay: https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/mar/02/bbc-three-to-return-as-broadcast-channel-next-year

KReid · 06-03-2021 1:33pm

frozenfrozen wrote: »

90% of our used cars come (came) from the uk. New car sales isn't the full picture

You'll probably need to back that stat up. I could find the below stats about imported cars but not as percentage of used cars sold, probably hard to determine how many are even DAB enabled. Even so, my overall point was that they are still a minority of DAB enabled cars, even if you factored in another 100k, there's 2.5m to 3m cars registered in Ireland.

Even if we had 250k cars with DAB enabled, we can't assume all listen to radio, then you consider how many actually listen to DAB considering it's limited service, the choice on FM in most areas is far better. And then... Yous step out of the car and you have no DAB access. It's over to FM or more likely a digital stream.

https://www.vrt.ie/faq/car-import-statistics/

frozenfrozen · 06-03-2021 1:53pm

KReid wrote: »

You'll probably need to back that stat up. I could find the below stats about imported cars but not as percentage of used cars sold, probably hard to determine how many are even DAB enabled. Even so, my overall point was that they are still a minority of DAB enabled cars, even if you factored in another 100k, there's 2.5m to 3m cars registered in Ireland.

Even if we had 250k cars with DAB enabled, we can't assume all listen to radio, then you consider how many actually listen to DAB considering it's limited service, the choice on FM in most areas is far better. And then... Yous step out of the car and you have no DAB access. It's over to FM or more likely a digital stream.

https://www.vrt.ie/faq/car-import-statistics/

I think it's about 90k used cars came from the UK per year. Agree with the rest of what you're saying big chicken and egg stuff going on where nobody in Ireland seeked it out

Brian CivilEng · 06-03-2021 2:47pm

Actually just realising now how much I used DAB. Clock radio and kitchen radio, so probably about 5 hours a day at the moment. You don't know what you got til it's gone.

brandonviewer · 07-03-2021 12:38pm

Brian CivilEng wrote: »

Actually just realising now how much I used DAB. Clock radio and kitchen radio, so probably about 5 hours a day at the moment. You don't know what you got til it's gone.

Anyone seen a good deal on the Amazon echo dot with alarm? I use a DAB radio as an alarm at the moment and thinking of replacing with this but they seem to be about €80 odd which is way over my price point

jrmb · 07-03-2021 4:02pm

brandonviewer wrote: »

Anyone seen a good deal on the Amazon echo dot with alarm? I use a DAB radio as an alarm at the moment and thinking of replacing with this but they seem to be about €80 odd which is way over my price point

The Lenovo/Google alarm clock is quite good, but you might already have a few Amazon products.

kazoo106 · 07-03-2021 9:33pm

I see RTE have already removed the 64k DAB+ 2FM and 48k DAB+ Radio 1 from the MUX

plodder · 08-03-2021 11:39am

jrmb wrote: »

The Lenovo/Google alarm clock is quite good, but you might already have a few Amazon products.

The google home mini is a great little speaker and I see it going for 42 euro in one place. It doesn't display the time but you can use it as an alarm clock. The trouble with free services like Tunein of course is they can change anything/pull the plug at any time and finding the magic words to locate channels can be a challenge at times.

08-03-2021 12:44pm

Does it stream radio stations from the internet or just from your phone?

plodder · 08-03-2021 1:25pm

zorro2566 wrote: »

Does it stream radio stations from the internet or just from your phone?

Smart speakers stream from the internet via wifi. They are independent of your phone, though you usually set them up with a phone.

JDxtra · 08-03-2021 1:58pm

I heard an advert on RTE Radio 1 this morning regarding the DAB closedown. I was thinking, the vast majority of people will have no clue what on earth they are talking about.

They should have run breakout adverts on the DAB stations only... "this service will cease on X date" etc.

Cube98 · 08-03-2021 2:07pm

JDxtra wrote: »

I heard an advert on RTE Radio 1 this morning regarding the DAB closedown. I was thinking, the vast majority of people will have no clue what on earth they are talking about.

They should have run breakout adverts on the DAB stations only... "this service will cease on X date" etc.

Like during the switch to saorview, those Tommy and Pj ads made some people with sky think that they had to buy a saorview box

end of the road · 08-03-2021 2:18pm

Cube98 wrote: »

Like during the switch to saorview, those Tommy and Pj ads made some people with sky think that they had to buy a saorview box

i would be surprised if that was any more then a very tiny amount of people, if that did indeed happen.

Cube98 · 08-03-2021 2:20pm

Brian CivilEng wrote: »

Actually just realising now how much I used DAB. Clock radio and kitchen radio, so probably about 5 hours a day at the moment. You don't know what you got til it's gone.

People in about 22 counties never had dab in the first place. Dab sets have been widely sold all over the country since the mid 00s but people in places like Galway and Westport have bought dab radios in their local Argos only to discover when they brought them home that not only do they not pick up the BBC (as many expected for some reason) but there was no dab service whatsoever available in their region.

plodder · 08-03-2021 3:26pm

Cube98 wrote: »

People in about 22 counties never had dab in the first place. Dab sets have been widely sold all over the country since the mid 00s but people in places like Galway and Westport have bought dab radios in their local Argos only to discover when they brought them home that not only do they not pick up the BBC (as many expected for some reason) but there was no dab service whatsoever available in their region.

They're still selling them. Though I would be surprised if any didn't have an FM tuner builtin.

Tork · 08-03-2021 3:53pm

plodder wrote: »

The google home mini is a great little speaker and I see it going for 42 euro in one place. It doesn't display the time but you can use it as an alarm clock. The trouble with free services like Tunein of course is they can change anything/pull the plug at any time and finding the magic words to locate channels can be a challenge at times.

I've tried the Google and Amazon speakers. For me, the Google system is far more user friendly. Even if you aren't sure what the "magic words" for a radio station or podcast are, you can just pick up your phone and start the casting without any fuss. Google's mistake is that they didn't come up with a snappy activating word like "Alexa".

I agree though re. the apps losing stations.

Hurrache · 08-03-2021 4:56pm

There's no need for 'magic words', you just say "Alexa, play [radio station name]".

Tork · 08-03-2021 5:07pm

Hurrache wrote: »

There's no need for 'magic words', you just say "Alexa, play [radio station name]".

Alexa can get confused with certain stations. Newstalk is one.

plodder · 08-03-2021 5:11pm

Hurrache wrote: »

There's no need for 'magic words', you just say "Alexa, play [radio station name]".

Don't know about Alexa, but google home gets confused easily. If you say "play newstalk" it won't find it, but "play newstalk fm" it will .. for now.

And as the thread below shows 2 FM was easy to find up to a few months ago, and then disappeared. Someone pointed out recently you can find it with:

"play Dublin RTE 2 FM" - not exactly intuitive.

https://support.google.com/googlenest/thread/77472561?hl=en

These are global systems, and there could easily be any number of other Newstalks around the world, but they need to come up with some better way of discriminating regions.

frozenfrozen · 08-03-2021 5:17pm

won't be long before jingles say the alexa appropriate name instead of 99.99 FM old style jingles

08-03-2021 5:20pm

I think this is a stupid idea from RTÉ. I only use DAB in my car I do not use internet stations while driving nor will I start.

radioguru02 · 08-03-2021 6:24pm

JDxtra wrote: »

I heard an advert on RTE Radio 1 this morning regarding the DAB closedown. I was thinking, the vast majority of people will have no clue what on earth they are talking about.

They should have run breakout adverts on the DAB stations only... "this service will cease on X date" etc.

Don’t suppose you recorded it?

Hurrache · 08-03-2021 9:13pm

"Newstalk Radio" and "RTE Radio One/two etc" gets them. It's just knowing what it knows the station as.

I often get Tay FM instead of Today FM, I left Tay on one day and I was all the better for it!

plodder · 08-03-2021 11:09pm

2FM hasn't been called 'Radio 2' since 1988.

Hurrache · 09-03-2021 10:03am

I meant RTE Two FM.

plodder · 09-03-2021 10:25am

Hurrache wrote: »

I meant RTE Two FM.

Maybe you are talking about Alexa, but regarding Google Home:

'RTE Two FM' doesn't work. 'RTE Radio Two' doesn't work. '2FM' doesn't work. 'Newstalk radio' doesn't work. 'Dublin RTE Two FM' and 'Newstalk FM' does work. So sure, you just have to know what it knows it as, but it's not obvious, is subject to change, and is ridiculous.

Widescreen · 09-03-2021 10:33am

Pity about DAB going down the tubes here.

Auto Tuning is a great feature of DAB and in that respect was a real forward step.

Probably never promoted properly here I guess so was never going to be successful. Pity

Keep on manual tuning I suppose!

Hurrache · 09-03-2021 10:41am

plodder wrote: »

Maybe you are talking about Alexa, but regarding Google Home:

I was, as someone said Google is more friendly than Alexa and I was just showing how easy it is on Alexa, whereas you're showing the opposite, Google seems to be a bit of a pain.

yrreg0850 · 09-03-2021 10:41am

plodder wrote: »

Don't know about Alexa, but google home gets confused easily. If you say "play newstalk" it won't find it, but "play newstalk fm" it will .. for now.

And as the thread below shows 2 FM was easy to find up to a few months ago, and then disappeared. Someone pointed out recently you can find it with:

"play Dublin RTE 2 FM" - not exactly intuitive.

https://support.google.com/googlenest/thread/77472561?hl=en

These are global systems, and there could easily be any number of other Newstalks around the world, but they need to come up with some better way of discriminating regions.

Using Alexa
If you are signed up to "Tune in Radio"
By asking Alexa to play say "XXX from tune in" it always works.

RTÉ to cease radio transmission on DAB network

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