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Dublin GAA Discussion Thread: Mod Note - No 'Dublin Dominance' chat allowed!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,549 ✭✭✭MFPM


    While I think there's validity to some critique of the referee, bottom line is Dublin were dominant in the first half but were only four points up with no clear goal scoring chance again. In the second half they were utterly shocking, they were outplayed and none of their subs had an impact never looked like getting a goal and scored a measly 5 points in the second half..



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,104 ✭✭✭rolling boh


    Wonder will Dessie have the appetite for the serious rebuild that has to start now.Last year we squeezed one but we won't be doing that again for awhile looking at the squad after this year .



  • Registered Users Posts: 257 ✭✭Trey13


    Yeah wondering this myself. These players owe us absolutely nothing and I hope everyone in the set up takes time before making any decisions.

    I've said it time and time again, but the generation of 30-31 aged players is the best of all time. Kilkenny, Mannion, McCaffrey, Small, Fenton, Scully, Davy Byrne, Costello et al. Underage success hasn't been amazing since that group and I think it's probably catching up with us now. That group probably have one or two more years where they can eek out another All-Ireland.

    As for Cluxton, Fitz and McCarthy, I think it might be that for them (just a hunch more than any actual knowledge).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,115 ✭✭✭eggy81




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,904 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Galway surprised me how well they defended. I would have thought their attack would have been more of a threat. But you are right I would say the last time a Dublin team were kept that quiet was in the AI SF v Donegal back in 2011.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,104 ✭✭✭rolling boh


    The likely squad even at this stage for next year looks alarmingly short on quality and we won't really figure by the looks of things for the next few years .



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,806 ✭✭✭corny


    I'd be curious to watch that back. My view was the same as yours… Fitzsimons got there first.

    After the whistle I saw one Dublin player make a beeline to Hurson before he made a swift exit. The handshake was held a little too long to be civil. Has to be said the chap never gives us the rub.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,145 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    McCarthy was talking to him and it looked like he indicated a hop ball. Then it magically turned into a free. I'm 99% certain someone was talking to him over the ear piece.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,136 ✭✭✭✭How Soon Is Now


    When it's all said and done we have lost 1 game and there's teams left who have lost 3 who have a chance of getting to a semi final. How does that work?



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,145 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    ..

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,145 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    The one's given to Hurson and Cormer would beg to differ.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,904 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    We all knew the system before the competition started. The provincials/group stages are different parts of the competition.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,136 ✭✭✭✭How Soon Is Now


    Hopefully we will eventually get back to an all Ireland where everything matters.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,243 ✭✭✭C__MC


    Starting Jack and James killed dublin tonight, Galway deserved the game



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,356 ✭✭✭forumdedum


    I believe that's a GAA thing. Just like Dublin get to play at home a lot



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,149 ✭✭✭Xander10


    The end of Dessie, hopefully



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,136 ✭✭✭✭How Soon Is Now


    So it's a Gaa thing that losers get to move forward? Wtf. Sooner the better Dublin get there own proper ground so we don't have to listen to tired old excuses Everytime we win no matter how big or small pitch is.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,356 ✭✭✭forumdedum


    I'm not even sure of the rules of hurling but didn't they development a 'back door' system years ago? You get knocked out and get another chance. I don't know the rules because it's such a load of bull.

    You mean sooner all the counties get a proper ground surely?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,117 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson


    100% the reason along with mannion who was not fully fit , them 3 players coming on at the end would have won the game for dublin terrible call by farrell

    dublin are far from finished , when you take the age profile of the likes of ,con ,fenton, kilkenny , costello , but the fringes of the team need to be calculated better then tonight in terms of selections



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,136 ✭✭✭✭How Soon Is Now


    The sooner Dublin get a proper ground not Parnell park and we can put this croke park bollocks to bed the better. Croke park should be there for provincial finals quarters semis finals at the most.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭Augme


    Great teams are built on competition and having player fighting for a starting place. When guys like Cluxton, Fitzsimmons and McCarthy can take the winter off and stroll back into the team then questions need to be ask about how that impacts the rest of the Dublin. Dublin will be stronger next year when those three aren't around.



  • Registered Users Posts: 295 ✭✭jack747


    As Jimmy Sloyan would say , you’re either good enough or you’re not. And Dublin Simply weren’t good enough today.



  • Registered Users Posts: 813 ✭✭✭largepants




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,365 ✭✭✭Robson99


    O Callaghan never moved off balance so how would it be a push. Was sitting beside a few Dublin supporters and they felt they were getting the marginal calls of Hurson. Dubious 45in first half, Conroy point disallowed for illegal handpass. But I don't think you can blame a push on O Callaghan missing the chance at the end. Personally I thought Kilkenny should have kicked it when he was in possession



  • Registered Users Posts: 237 ✭✭Kumejima


    It seems to be that in the capital yesterday, Pride, came before a Fall 😎



  • Registered Users Posts: 230 ✭✭dclifford


    Dublin played the game yesterday with 14 men. Obviously not numerically but tactically. Dublin played a sweeper in front of the box, but the ball never went in, so it was a player that was wasted defensively for 70 mins. It meant every other player was chasing shadows trying to make up the ground between the Galway players as Galway moved the ball quickly and took their shots.

    All you can see is Murchan on edge of the box with nobody around and the ball sails over his head and over the bar. Not Murchans fault, it was the tactics.

    7.8kwp South facing, Slane.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,919 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    Commiserations to Dublin.

    Ye'll be there or thereabouts every year so no big deal. I'm sure the elder statesmen of your squad would prefer to go out with a win, so they might stay on another year.

    It's better for the game to have different finalists.

    Kerry are the bookies favourites but I think every team bar Louth can win it this year.

    The jury's very much out on Kerry but we'll have a better idea of their ability after today's game.

    I'm sure Kerry will be using Michael's death as motivation also.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,727 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Its what happens in a lot of sports when a 'league system ' is used to produce teams for the knockout series.

    I won't waste bandwidth by listing them all…but they are numerous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,748 ✭✭✭flasher0030


    The still you took conveniently excluded the strike by the Dublin player to the shoulder/neck area. See first few seconds of the video. If a player tries to tackle like that, coming in from behind the player with the ball, it's going to be a free all day long. It's not Galway bias, or anti-Dubs. And JRant trying to stand over his comment that Con O'Callaghan was pushed for the wide that he kicked at the end. Galway player clearly tried to block the ball, and jumped in front of Con. Get over it. The better team won yesterday. Just about the better team. You can take every game and try to analyse every play in great detail - and you will nearly always come up with some fault of a ref e.g. many players take 5/6 steps, but get away with it cause it's not obvious; most tackles that are executed are not in line with the rule book, but they are not called out unless generally overly aggressive. Happens for all teams in all matches. It's really sour grapes - saying other teams are cheating just because they win. Dublin are plenty good with the dark arts themselves. I was at the match, and the amount of times Galway runners were taken out of the game when they were trying to make an off-the-ball run. And I (not so fondly) remember well Dublin players taking down several Mayo players before a last minute kick-out some years back so that they couldn't attack to get an equalizer I think. But that's part of the game. I wish my own team had a greater level of deviousness - they would have landed Ciaran Kilkenny and Jack McCaffrey into row Z of the stand in Roscommon 2 weeks ago. But unfortunately they don't.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,010 ✭✭✭bren2001


    Derry still being in it is bloody stupid.

    Saying that, irrelevant when talking about Dublin. Seperate issue with the structure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,379 ✭✭✭Gael85


    This talk of several Mayo players been pulled down in last minute of 2017 final is one great GAA myths. Aside from Kilkenny pulling down Keegan incident I don't recall any other Mayo players on the ground.

    Post edited by Gael85 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,904 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Yep recent one I can think of in foreign codes - Portugal had three draws no wins in the group stages of 2016. And won the thing. You would swear the group stages are just a GAA "problem" the way some people go on.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,904 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Deserves credit for winning Sam last year where he got it spot from the QF's on. He got it wrong this year with his selection though. As others as pointed out it left no bench with his starting 15. I have not forgotten he did the opposite v Mayo in last years QF and turned it around. It was odd that he did not stick to the same plan, that worked.

    Surely Ger Brennan is top choice now?

    Post edited by gormdubhgorm on

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,904 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    I think there will be 5/6 retirements from this Dublin squad. If that happens (in my head) I would have Dublin in or around the level of Roscommon. Enough to win Leinster and do "OK" in the group stages.

    But there certainly won't be same depth now. I am sort of annoyed how this Dublin panel was let get old. Too dependant on the old guard. It happened Kerry's great era, it happened Tyrone's great era and now it looks like it will happen Dublin.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,149 ✭✭✭Xander10


    The water boy was a big influence on the players last year.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,904 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    😀 I'd forgotten that "waterboy". You could be right an experienced shoulder to lean on.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,104 ✭✭✭rolling boh


    I think all of us were happy last year when Dessie took the short term view and we got over the line for another one .At that point we were happy to postpone the necessary rebuild for another day .We paid the price this year for it but still have lovely memories from last year .



  • Registered Users Posts: 144 ✭✭Quiet Achiever


    Dessie brought the old guard back for short term gains instead of blooding new players leading to longer term damage. The definition of shirt termism, but such is the pressure to win silverware i suppose



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,104 ✭✭✭rolling boh


    Dessie doesn't appear to have real faith in the young lads that were given some game time during the year ,hence he started the three lads where surely there one or two others that could have held the fort till the last twenty mins or so .Even Jack coming on at around 50 mins could have given us the shot in the arm required .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,167 ✭✭✭mobby


    Yep I agree bringing on Jack with 20mins to go I think would have made the difference yesterday,it was to me a strange call to play him from the start. Also never really replaced Dean Rock for a quality free taker. Can't be serious AI contenders if you lose a 4pt lead at this stage. It's Kerrys AI to lose now. As they say in Mayo.. there's always next year..



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,904 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    My auld lad (A Galway fella who was delighted yesterday) was describing Dublin's win last year as a coronation. One they were not supposed to win. Hard to argue with that.

    But I can't help thinking that if Dessie did his same selection tactic as v Mayo in last years QF Dublin would have seen the game out handy enough.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,961 ✭✭✭billyhead


    The likes of McCarthy and McCaffrey should have been coming on with 20 mins to go.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,104 ✭✭✭rolling boh


    Must have been a boost for Galway when they saw the players coming to replace the lads being called a shore .I suppose at half time they were proberly happy knowing we had our best out that wouldn't last and they were only four points down .



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭Always_Running


    Evidence of Dublin's regression was seen before yesterday yet was talked down by some in media who thought Dublin was pacing themselves. Manner that they allowed Derry win the league final, only beat Louth in the Leinster final by four points, took 65 minutes to put Roscommon away and lucky to get a draw against Mayo.

    Next year or two may also show are they on the slide whereby they'll fall right back into the pack, I think 9 of their starting team was in their 30s yesterday the same talent isn't coming through at underage level as before and Dublin haven't won U20 Title the last four years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,961 ✭✭✭billyhead


    That's it. Psychologically it gave Galway a boost.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,806 ✭✭✭corny


    Yeah but who's to say we wouldn't have won with a sprinkling of younger talent in the team last year. I don't know why a rebuild is necessarily seen as a regression. I don't see it that way.

    I like the look of some of Dublin's younger players. It really wouldn't take many of them in the team to give us a balance of youth and experience. Let's not forgot we lost by one point to a highly committed team who are arguably the third best in the country at the moment. We weren't well off it ala the old Tyrone team V Dublin in 2011.

    A really good manager would have managed that transition better. Dessie has spent two seasons talking about passing the baton only to pick a team with an average age over 30 and with the youngest player being 26.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,104 ✭✭✭rolling boh


    Well we will never know if we would have won last year with a few different players but as we only scraped home it's likely the experience played a big part in those final minutes. Unfortunately that experience went missing last evening in those final minutes.If Dessie stays on he will have to bite the bullet for the league start the best younger lads if he can and leave them in place and see how it goes from there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,338 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    Galway also had senior players Walsh and Kelly going off, replaced by less experienced subs.
    It didn’t seem to give Dublin a boost.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,904 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Yeah, I know if I was a tired Galway back.I would much prefer seeing Jack McCaffery coming off than Jack McCaffery coming on.

    Another thing I was thinking about was the way the Dublin starting changes were announced was weird not the usual like for like replacements. As if it was a rushed last minute thing by Dessie? I might be reading too much into that, I don't know.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,904 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    He has no choice now (if he is still there). I think a new manager is the way to go with a rebuild job like this. Give the next fella five years (unless there is a complete disaster).

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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