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Second Captains Part II

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  • #1902
    EltonJohn69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,491 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    I hope it’s BIG SAM week next week.


  • #1903
    healy1835
    Registered Users Posts: 2,191 ✭✭✭healy1835


    EltonJohn69 wrote: »
    I hope it’s BIG SAM week next week.

    You mean Sam Allardici week surely? :)


  • #1904
    bamayang
    Registered Users Posts: 700 ✭✭✭bamayang


    den87 wrote: »
    “Coooouuukkkkinnnn on gassssss”. I’m fairly sure it’s Ken.

    I’ve repeated it to myself once a day everyday for the last week. It’s too funny the way Ken says it.


  • #1905
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,513 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    cmac2009 wrote: »
    In the discussion I mentioned above they specifically mentioned that this is a tactic used on a regular basis - they go looking for the most outraged tweets. Mainly used by tabloids when pushing their narratives, Daily Mail was referenced unsurprisingly.

    Same crap on Youtube - Arsenal Fan TV etc. Outrage gets clicks and likes.

    "You are the biggest fool in Manchester" whatever happened to him? :pac:

    Scrap the cap!



  • #1906
    Dante
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,581 ✭✭✭Dante


    If I hear the phrase 'string to his bow' one more time in the rugby segment I'm cancelling my sub...


  • #1907
    ~Rebel~
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,988 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    cmac2009 wrote: »
    Didn't think it was a great pod either, nothing new or interesting in the chat.

    Re the twitter point, heard a good stat on a media show discussion last year on its influence - in the UK/US circa 20% of the population is on twitter and 10% of those post 80% of the tweets. Therefore roughly 2% of the population are regular posters and this cohort are having a hugely disproportionate influence on what's being reported in the media/societal discussions etc.

    Wasn't the best pod ever, but thought it was an interesting enough chat to listen in on.

    The most interesting part was probably just Ken though - in the preamble bit with Murph when he was struggling with what the pod actually is, and his name being in the title. And then in the main chat with he fell into a bit of an existential hole of seeing himself as a caricature and wondering whats the point of it all. Feels like Ken's going through a wee bit of a midlife crisis or something!


  • #1908
    Running Balance
    Registered Users Posts: 688 ✭✭✭Running Balance


    Maybe it's been brought up before but why did the tv program not get renewed- I live in the uk and cant say I ever seen a full episode.

    Was it after they went to a 5 day podcast


  • #1909
    Icemancometh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 865 ✭✭✭Icemancometh


    Running Balance wrote: »
    Maybe it's been brought up before but why did the tv program not get renewed- I live in the uk and cant say I ever seen a full episode.

    Was it after they went to a 5 day podcast

    No idea, but I assumed it just wasn't a success.


  • #1910
    Salvation Tambourine
    Registered Users Posts: 932 ✭✭✭Salvation Tambourine


    Murph automatically putting the word "toxic" before "masculinity" today talking about McIlroy trying to catch up with Bryson's speed.


  • #1911
    EltonJohn69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,491 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    Nokotan wrote: »
    Murph automatically putting the word "toxic" before "masculinity" today talking about McIlroy trying to catch up with Bryson's speed.

    Was it not appropriate ?


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  • #1912
    Salvation Tambourine
    Registered Users Posts: 932 ✭✭✭Salvation Tambourine


    EltonJohn69 wrote: »
    Was it not appropriate ?

    No, I don't think so. I don't see how it's "toxic" to try improve your game to keep up with a competitor. It might have been a bad idea and detrimental to his game but I'm sure a lot of athletes regardless of gender have tried similar.


  • #1913
    ~Rebel~
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,988 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Nokotan wrote: »
    No, I don't think so. I don't see how it's "toxic" to try improve your game to keep up with a competitor. It might have been a bad idea and detrimental to his game but I'm sure a lot of athletes regardless of gender have tried similar.

    In context I think it was used correctly to be honest.

    The point he was making was that it was perhaps a failing in him to try to reach parity or one-up on this purely physical aspect of the game, despite it actually not helping him at all in practical terms. That it was self-destructive masculine bravado done as a base emotional response rather than genuine self-improvement.


  • #1914
    EltonJohn69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,491 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    No coverage of BIG SAMs master class today.... they really aren’t covering the premier league this year.


  • #1915
    Beersmith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,417 ✭✭✭Beersmith


    EltonJohn69 wrote: »
    No coverage of BIG SAMs master class today.... they really aren’t covering the premier league this year.

    Huh?! They covered it yesterday!


  • #1916
    EltonJohn69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,491 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    Beersmith wrote: »
    Huh?! They covered it yesterday!

    I withdraw my comment !


  • #1917
    Salvation Tambourine
    Registered Users Posts: 932 ✭✭✭Salvation Tambourine


    ~Rebel~ wrote: »
    In context I think it was used correctly to be honest.

    The point he was making was that it was perhaps a failing in him to try to reach parity or one-up on this purely physical aspect of the game, despite it actually not helping him at all in practical terms. That it was self-destructive masculine bravado done as a base emotional response rather than genuine self-improvement.

    I guess we just have different ideas of what toxic masculinity entails. Anyway, I suppose it was off topic anyway.


  • #1918
    Still Ill
    Registered Users Posts: 1,438 ✭✭✭Still Ill


    Just saw a story about Leon Reid - the Irish sprinter who was on the show last year talking about his escape from a crack den where his mother lived to become an athlete and switching to represent Ireland. He's been arrested on drugs charges regarding crack cocaine. Pretty sad stuff.

    https://www.the42.ie/leon-reid-3-5403114-Apr2021/


  • #1919
    Jim Root
    Registered Users Posts: 487 ✭✭Jim Root


    Still Ill wrote: »
    Just saw a story about Leon Reid - the Irish sprinter who was on the show last year talking about his escape from a crack den where his mother lived to become an athlete and switching to represent Ireland. He's been arrested on drugs charges regarding crack cocaine. Pretty sad stuff.

    https://www.the42.ie/leon-reid-3-5403114-Apr2021/

    That the guy they had on last year who felt persecuted by the “local” athletes and had his gear tampered with? Hmmm


  • #1920
    Still Ill
    Registered Users Posts: 1,438 ✭✭✭Still Ill


    Ken's story had me cracking up on the bus today! Hilarious stuff!


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  • #1921
    dr.kenneth noisewater
    Registered Users Posts: 5,708 ✭✭✭dr.kenneth noisewater


    Still Ill wrote: »
    Ken's story had me cracking up on the bus today! Hilarious stuff!

    Looking forward to the audiobed from it


  • #1922
    yermandan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,068 ✭✭✭yermandan


    It was absolutely perfect with the music from the previous bike story


  • #1923
    buyer95
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,344 ✭✭✭buyer95


    healy1835 wrote: »
    I do love any time there's a 'Keys to the Kingdom' segment. I've never actually gone to the trouble of reading it, but it always seems to confirm what a tool he is.

    What episode was this, I missed it.


  • #1924
    Beersmith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,417 ✭✭✭Beersmith


    Anyone else notice that when Rory Smith is on he constantly slaps his hands together or something similar as you can hear it throughout?


  • #1925
    redbuck
    Registered Users Posts: 611 ✭✭✭redbuck


    Beersmith wrote: »
    Anyone else notice that when Rory Smith is on he constantly slaps his hands together or something similar as you can hear it throughout?

    I noticed too, I thought he was clicking a pen.


  • #1926
    buyer95
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,344 ✭✭✭buyer95


    Beersmith wrote: »
    Anyone else notice that when Rory Smith is on he constantly slaps his hands together or something similar as you can hear it throughout?

    Never noticed it before today, but MY GOD! He didn't stop, really distracting. A pity because the whole conversation was excellent. Some of the best analysis I've heard on the pod in awhile.

    Edit : I actually listened back and think it might be pen clicking alright. Smh


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  • #1927
    healy1835
    Registered Users Posts: 2,191 ✭✭✭healy1835


    buyer95 wrote: »
    What episode was this, I missed it.

    Ep 2004...


  • #1928
    Say Your Number
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,795 Mod ✭✭✭✭Say Your Number


    Ken's story was hysterical, was hoping he was going to say he gave him a few quid for a new lock, where's our World Service money going at all.


  • #1929
    Pete Moss
    Registered Users Posts: 607 ✭✭✭Pete Moss


    I love a good auld Paul Kimmage interview on Second Captains. DOD's interview with him was thoroughly enjoyable, he did a great job with it and Kimmage, as always, didn't hold back and made an interesting guest. It was not as intense as when Kimmage appeared on the Player's Chair with Richie, nor was I expecting it to be, but it still had moments of someone letting their guard down - such as the segment when he mentions his brother.

    I was surprised at the nature of the interview, it just seemed like two blokes shooting the breeze (or to quote Eoin's overused phrase from last week "Shooting the sh!t") and the it was a lot more of a conversational format than the standard 'Interviewer & Interviewee' approach.


  • #1930
    D.Q
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,054 ✭✭✭D.Q


    DOD was a brilliant interviewer. Didn't expect him to be so good, although obviously Kimmage was extremely giving. They had a nice moment at the end talking about DODs dad etc. Good heart to the conversation.


  • #1931
    Ol' Donie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,674 ✭✭✭✭Ol' Donie


    D.Q wrote: »
    DOD was a brilliant interviewer. Didn't expect him to be so good, although obviously Kimmage was extremely giving. They had a nice moment at the end talking about DODs dad etc. Good heart to the conversation.

    Wasn't going to listen at all, no interest in cycling. Only did out of loyalty to the Isolating podcast.

    15 mins in, I'm thinking about buying a bike.


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  • #1932
    Ol' Donie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,674 ✭✭✭✭Ol' Donie


    Although this Kimmage gentleman is a very bad influence on David. More bad language today than in 2 whole series' of isolating.


  • #1933
    D.Q
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,054 ✭✭✭D.Q


    Ol' Donie wrote: »
    Wasn't going to listen at all, no interest in cycling. Only did out of loyalty to the Isolating podcast.

    15 mins in, I'm thinking about buying a bike.

    Yeah it was very accessible even if you're not a big cycling fan. After about 40 mins I had jabbed my arse with EPO and gone tearing off up a mountain.


  • #1934
    Beersmith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,417 ✭✭✭Beersmith


    I couldn't find that larry / greg louganis interview online, I'm guessing GL's agent sent it to the lads beforehand?!


  • #1935
    Aidric
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,591 ✭✭✭✭Aidric


    Pete Moss wrote: »
    I love a good auld Paul Kimmage interview on Second Captains. DOD's interview with him was thoroughly enjoyable, he did a great job with it and Kimmage, as always, didn't hold back and made an interesting guest. It was not as intense as when Kimmage appeared on the Player's Chair with Richie, nor was I expecting it to be, but it still had moments of someone letting their guard down - such as the segment when he mentions his brother.

    I was surprised at the nature of the interview, it just seemed like two blokes shooting the breeze (or to quote Eoin's overused phrase from last week "Shooting the sh!t") and the it was a lot more of a conversational format than the standard 'Interviewer & Interviewee' approach.

    It was a brilliant companion piece to Sadlier's interview, which was also brilliant. The difference here was that O'Doherty is a huge cycling fan so by extension it was easier to come across as two cycling fans shooting the breeze.

    There was a lot of honesty and reflection from both sides, a genuine pleasure to listen to.


  • #1936
    Beersmith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,417 ✭✭✭Beersmith


    The way the greg louganis interview was handled by eoin and Murph was night and day. Really should have been left to just eoin.


  • #1937
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,460 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Couldn't listen to any of those DOD isolation casts but this interview with Kimmage is a great piece of work.

    But then I always love listening to Kimmage.


  • #1938
    jones
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,061 ✭✭✭jones


    Totally agree with above i initially enjoyed the isolating podcast when it started first but got a bit bored with it as it went on but the interview with Kimmage is top notch,


  • #1939
    kilns
    Registered Users Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    Kimmage is such a compelling guest you could hear his real anger and real hurt in some parts and DOD really just let him talk and they gelled very well, more enjoyable than Sadlier interview as DOD was a geniune fan of cycling and his enthusiasm came across with his anecdotes

    Great stuff


  • #1940
    kilns
    Registered Users Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    Beersmith wrote: »
    The way the greg louganis interview was handled by eoin and Murph was night and day. Really should have been left to just eoin.

    Murph is an intelligent enough guy to know what his skillset is and it is not interviewing guests or presenting the show.


  • #1941
    unplayable
    Registered Users Posts: 862 ✭✭✭unplayable


    kilns wrote: »
    Kimmage is such a compelling guest you could hear his real anger and real hurt in some parts and DOD really just let him talk and they gelled very well, more enjoyable than Sadlier interview as DOD was a geniune fan of cycling and his enthusiasm came across with his anecdotes

    Great stuff

    i listened to this while out on a run. i found the part about his brother hit me very hard. compelling as always with kimmage. superb stuff.


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  • #1942
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,460 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    unplayable wrote: »

    i listened to this while out on a run. i found the part about his brother hit me very hard. compelling as always with kimmage. superb stuff.

    Hit me hard as well. One of the things that always makes my blood run cold is stories of people leaving home for mundane routine activities and never coming home..


  • #1943
    bamayang
    Registered Users Posts: 700 ✭✭✭bamayang


    Has Kimmage ever been a regular guest on SC? I love listening to him, wish he was on more often (but not too often 😂)


  • #1944
    Utopia Parkway
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,383 ✭✭✭✭Utopia Parkway


    kilns wrote: »
    Murph is an intelligent enough guy to know what his skillset is and it is not interviewing guests or presenting the show.

    Actually thought Murph did a very decent job as main presenter when Eoin was off for 2 weeks there after the birth of his last child. Was that last October or November maybe?

    Eoin is amazing though.


  • #1945
    unplayable
    Registered Users Posts: 862 ✭✭✭unplayable


    lawred2 wrote: »
    Hit me hard as well. One of the things that always makes my blood run cold is stories of people leaving home for mundane routine activities and never coming home..

    https://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/cycling/paul-kimmage-remembers-his-brother-dear-raphael-there-is-no-one-in-this-world-that-i-admire-as-much-as-you-37872152.html

    piece by kimmage after his brothers death. as someone with a younger brother myself yeah i get it.


  • #1946
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,460 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    unplayable wrote: »
    https://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/cycling/paul-kimmage-remembers-his-brother-dear-raphael-there-is-no-one-in-this-world-that-i-admire-as-much-as-you-37872152.html

    piece by kimmage after his brothers death. as someone with a younger brother myself yeah i get it.

    Thanks for posting that.


  • #1947
    humberklog
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,580 Mod ✭✭✭✭humberklog


    Full football episode with a separate side helping of rugby for those interested in that sort of thing.


    That's the shot!


  • #1948
    Running Balance
    Registered Users Posts: 688 ✭✭✭Running Balance


    DOD and kimmage was a great pod - I love a good cycling book always find them compelling (but not a cyclist).

    Why it worked I felt dod knew loads of really specific stuff that just wasnt handed to him by a researcher.. kimmage really opened up too


  • #1949
    Beersmith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,417 ✭✭✭Beersmith


    Running Balance wrote: »
    DOD and kimmage was a great pod - I love a good cycling book always find them compelling (but not a cyclist).

    Why it worked I felt dod knew loads of really specific stuff that just wasnt handed to him by a researcher.. kimmage really opened up too

    Yeah very unlike Richie who just brings everything back to himself.


  • #1950
    Beersmith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,417 ✭✭✭Beersmith


    Jasus the amount of long winded bollox dion fanning was talking yesterday.


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  • #1951
    Lucas Hood
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,205 ✭✭✭Lucas Hood


    Beersmith wrote: »
    Jasus the amount of long winded bollox dion fanning was talking yesterday.

    Yeah he wasnt getting his point across very well at all.


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