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Is accountability alien to our public sector?

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  • #202
    raze_them_all_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,768 ✭✭✭raze_them_all_


    Where do people get the idea you can't be fired in the public sector? You can. And most of these boys on the boards etc are mates with tds, no chance the tds will blame them. Our hospital I think is costing 200 odd million than the tallest building in the world


  • #203
    Snow Garden
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    raze_them_all_ wrote: »
    Where do people get the idea you can't be fired in the public sector? You can.

    It's very very difficult. You can be the worst performer in the whole service and still keep your job. The unions will always back you up. To be fired, you nearly need to do something illegal i.e. theft, assault etc. I have never heard of anyone being fired where I worked.

    In fact I have seen several times where a manager promoted a poor performing or troublesome individual in order to get rid of the person from the section/department. That means that poor performers are promoted. Think about that.


  • #204
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,492 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Snow Garden wrote: »

    In fact I have seen several times where a manager promoted a poor performing or troublesome individual in order to get rid of the person from the section/department. That means that poor performers are promoted. Think about that.
    In what organisation do managers get to promote people? Promotions are normally done by competitions, with criteria, interview panels. In the Civil Service, all panels are organised by PAS, totally independent of the Department concerned, so the manager has no part of the promotion decision.


    What organisation lets managers promote people?


  • #205
    Flyingsnowball
    Closed Accounts Posts: 391 ✭✭Flyingsnowball


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    In what organisation do managers get to promote people? Promotions are normally done by competitions, with criteria, interview panels. In the Civil Service, all panels are organised by PAS, totally independent of the Department concerned, so the manager has no part of the promotion decision.


    What organisation lets managers promote people?

    Promotions are done before they decide to promote somebody. The rest is the allusion of fairness


  • #206
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,492 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Flyingsnowball wrote: »
    Promotions are done before they decide to promote somebody. The rest is the allusion of fairness


    The 1960s are calling, they want their theories back.


    This is an organisation of nearly 40,000 people. The people who organise the promotion exams having nothing to do with the day-to-day management of the service. That's a fact.


    If you have any evidence to the contrary, please post details.


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