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Clare GAA Discussion - 2024 All Ireland Hurling Champions

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,841 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    They stopped considering fans years ago in fairness.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 580 ✭✭✭puzl


    Hahaha good one.

    We're not fans, we're revenue streams.



  • Registered Users Posts: 674 ✭✭✭supernova5


    Are Clare management about to repeat the same mistakes again by not giving more panellists players proper game time?

    how are they genuinely going to find out the true strength or otherwise of this current squad if they are not even going to be tried in the first game of League



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,117 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson


    Shur SuperValu and the rugby lads are doing that.....



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,117 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson


    it looks that way , lohan will try and defend his selection by saying he is trying out david mc at 6 if john conlon is injured ect.. . how about starting john conelley there , starting cathal malone instead of sean rynne is ridiculous , both senior players mentioned are shoe in starters come championship give the 20s lads a proper run at this level

    i dont think he has learned anything from his mistakes on the line , if we won even a league title this year i would pardon the man but i will be roaring for brian o'connell to take over later in the year if nothing changes



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    Is the bringing in of Bugler a doubling down on the sweeper? I hear Bugler is a sweeper man. That said, O'Connell loves a sweeper too. At minor level, anyway. He put a sweeper in front of young Tom Delaney (who was being marked by the full back). He also withdrew Jack O'Neill deep. Very defensive mindset.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,340 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    Maybe they’ll put more stock in the league this year. It never did Limerick or Kilkenny any harm. Or maybe they really want to win a trophy, any trophy.

    Today’s game was pretty good and competitive for so early in the league. In the past watching league games (especially under Lohan) was like watching a challenge match.

    I think we came in a bit cold in our opening championship game last year v Tipp. Some players hadn’t played a minute of the league.



  • Registered Users Posts: 719 ✭✭✭caddy16


    A good start but cork are not the barometer of where we need to be. As the saying goes you can only beat what's in front of you but far bigger tests ahead.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,117 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson


    i have several complaints on yesterday , but really good win at the same time

    it seems nobody has watched a video back from the game against killkenny in terms of tackling

    aidan mccarthy as full forward will not work

    what was the point in starting cathal malone , david mc , conor cleary who only have a year or two left and then bring on keith smyth ,shane meehan ect for a couple of minutes at the end



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,117 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson


    the footballers were punished by more bad referring , aaron griffin was deemed to be in the square for this goal in the 73rd minute , westmeath went down the field to score the wining point after this


    https://x.com/Rory1063/status/1754252420593434953?s=20



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,117 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson


    any good manager is situational , bar mr fitz who just plays a sweeper to prove to the rest of the country hes not for changing , you are right about brian , but he did ditch the tactic in the tipperary game and when not needed in the munster final , in truth our strengths in that minor team bar gunning were in the forwards

    given that brian lohan spent years giving out about Davey fitzs sweeper system , then lined out with the same tactic last summer v kilkenny , shows just how quickly the wind can change in clare ( must be the atlantic)



  • Registered Users Posts: 48 theMountain


    It was Cormac Murray who punched the ball into the net and was way outside the square when the ball was played. The Ref was also playing advantage, so why didn't he go back for the free?




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,719 ✭✭✭Seadin


    Yes you are correct. To be honest I didn't expect Cork to win yesterday but I thought they were so poor, they were worse than I expected. I thought they be more fight in them and in general thought they be more competitive against you. Clare were going very well to be fair. No complaints, Clare full value for their win and have plenty to improve on as well going forward.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,117 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭PeggyShippen


    Cork will be dangerous come championship. I saw enough green shoots from them Sunday to be positive . Yes they fell away in the 3rd quarter but they came back strong and if Sneada Morey didn't get that goal anything could have happened.

    Clare were good..impressive overall but we give away alot of scores. You couldn't say any Clare back was bad but they don't seem to stop their men getting scores..I heard we had the biggest concession rate of any team in the top 7 last year. Is that correct?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,841 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    Just from Munster Championship Round Robin anyway:

    Clare conceded 105

    Lim conceded 103

    Tipp conceded 115

    Wat conceded 97

    Cork conceded 111

    So Clare in the Round Robin had a middling defensive record but again, the Tipp match skews it a lot. 5-22 (37) makes their overall concession look bad.

    Clare conceded 9 goals in their 4 Round Robin games but that's skewed slightly by the Tipp opener with the 5 goals shipped you could say.


    What I find interesting about Munster is of the 9 home/away matches, only 4 were won by the home team.



  • Registered Users Posts: 586 ✭✭✭Treble double


    In fairness to Cork they seem to be only county that are trying to come up with a different gameplan to beat Limerick. They are sticking with this running precision passing game and hoping that it will run the legs off the big bulky Limerick players who have a lot of heft to carry around the pitch. Cork are a long way from being perfect in what they are doing but at least they are trying something different. As far as I can see every other county is trying to get big men into there team to try and match Limericks size but the problem is all Limericks hulks are quality hurlers, other counties hulks don't seem to be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭PeggyShippen


    Size doesn't make you slow either. No one is going to out run a Kyle Hayes. He's a freak of nature as is Sean Finn. But the overall point is correct.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 586 ✭✭✭Treble double


    You are right size doesn't make you slow, but what size does is it wears you out quicker if you are being dragged left right and centre. Some team needs to run the legs off this Limerick team, trying to match them physically is a waste of time. Cork seem to be the only team trying to develop such a gameplan, but maybe that's because that's in their DNA. I will say there execution of that gameplan has been very poor so far and maybe they don't have good enough hurlers to do it anymore



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,806 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    Cork can’t play any other way. Their minor and under 20 teams play like the seniors. Their club teams in the Munster championships usually play the same way.

    It works better at underage than senior. They never play direct. The current senior team are fairly good at what they do, but they failed to win three tight games in Munster last year. When you spend so long trying to play like that in training it has to be much harder than it should be to defend against a team that is more direct.

    Its amazing that the style is so distinctive, has not delivered an All Ireland since 2005 and yet as the league starts they stick with it again. Their puck out strategy on Sunday with a gale behind them was farcical and failed utterly.

    They should have beaten our under 20s well last year, but only just got past them and I’d put how close the game was down to the respective styles.

    Our teams for the last few years have been well able to mix it, can be direct or tippy tappy. Plenty of ball players and then we have options like Duggan, Fitz and Shanagher.

    Lohan has given Clare a serious shot in arm since he took over. We have our own style and our work rate is always high, something that was very poor the year before he took over. You can ctiticise some of his decisions, but he has got us closer to Limerick than anyone else and a big part of that was him having the self belief to have his team playing sensible hurling.

    Reidy and young Lohan made two great hooks on Sunday, I don’t think Cork players would have made them, the expectation wouldn’t be there. Cathal Malone almost certainly wouldn’t have made the Cork panel but he has been one of the most important players in the last two Munster championships. He was absolutely massive in the first half of the Munster final last year, broke up heaps of Limerick attacks. He’s a fantastic asset.

    Maybe it’s strange to say given the two counties reputations but I think we are light years ahead of Cork in terms of our approach to hurling. What I can’t understand is why they never see it. Our lads played a ridiculous Cork style in the 2017 Munster final, but there was uproar in the county and it never happened again. Everyone could see what the problems were.

    If Cork were to win an All Ireland it’d be like a stereotypical Tottenham team winning a premier league. We’re like the Liverpool team of the 80s that mixed class with pragmatism and hard work. Limerick are like Chelsea circa 05, galacticos and big men combinIng brilliantly. Tipp are just Tipp, Waterford are perennial underachievers with class in their ranks, a bit like Arsenal circa 2015.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    You might be over stretching there... Liverpool won 6 leagues and a Champions League (European Cup) in the 80s...



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,806 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    Well, maybe a tad:)





  • Not trying to be smart but Liverpool actually won titles. I think if Clare don't win silverware this year they need a new manager as they're no point in doing the business in the round robin and not being able to follow it through



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,117 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson


    i agree to an extent , but , given the level limerick have been operating at over the last 4 ot 5 years its incomparable to say 10 years ago when all teams were more evenly matched

    i think it has to be factored in also ,for the first time in years we have an active convarebelt of players coming through from underage , and given how green some of them lads look at the moment its hard to see us win the league for example , the munster championship is a minefield , cork could have just as easily changed the entire championship picture had a bit more luck gone there way last year

    i would however think that we would be better off changing our approach to the league long term stop shrugging our shoulders with the competition

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,117 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson


    Clare 0-20 1-16 Waterford

    Great win when you consider how many key players we went in to todays game without is a huge positive , the younger lads that started out today , conor lean , patrick crotty , cian galvin sean rynne , all passed the test , leen struggled at the start on sean walsh but grew into the game and finished the game well, , crotty was excellent took his scores well and when he dropped deep his delivery's were excellent , cian galvin got a super score and worked hard all day , and sean rynne improved tenfold form last week which is a huge positive , his second point was top drawer and shows what he has in his amo

    the negatives, fouling especially in the second half , on too many occasions we go flying into tackles with the arm or hurl across the chest of an opponent we need to be more calculated in our tackling , liam gordon lets everything as much go as possible in his games at one point he was trigger happy with his whistle on us and probably rightly so,

    diving , we took a number of dives in the second half too , shane meehan not long after coming on the field , aidan mccarthy another one not long afterwards afterwards are two that stood out when we were in attacking positions and lost possession or were called for over carrying, referees are wise to this now

    wides : granted we made an awful lot of changes in the second half but we went nearly 14 minutes without a score and had 4 or 5 wides in this period of time we were 3 points up at this time had we converted them chances we would have been more comfortable in the end

    dropping too deep for the waterford puckout was another , we gifted a few scores with the game in the balance to patrick curren and neil mountgomery by giving them far too much space to shoot with the wind at there backs late on

    everything else was a positive , our forward movement , delivery in to the forwards our devending our work rate our rotation of subs conditioning, everything about today was a positive bar what was highlighted

    clare scores

    Aidan McCarthy 0-8 (6f)

    Patrick Crotty 0-3

    Sean Rynne 0-2

    Ian galvin 0-2

    Cian galvin 0-1

    Cathal Malone 0-1

    David Fitzgerald 0-1

    David reidy 0-1

    Shane Meehan 0-1



  • Registered Users Posts: 719 ✭✭✭caddy16


    Very positive for so many young lads to get some game time. Although probably earlier than we'd like to see big John back. Really delighted for Rynne after last week and Leen as I expected looked the part.

    Pitch was shocking btw.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,117 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson


    leen had a slow start but was excellent after that , the options coming through in the backs are very promising , yeah pitch was poor and apparently a job was done on it recently

    sean rynne was excellent , given hes still under 20 this year shows how advanced he is for his age



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,340 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    Shane Meehan is an interesting case.

    If you asked most people a couple of years ago, I'd have thought he'd have nailed down a place on the first XV by now. He looks an absolutely super talent based on what we've seen underage and with the club.

    Hard to know from the outside, but seems like possibly he's now being overtaken by Mounsey, Sheedy, Crotty (who are also great talents, don't get me wrong). Keith Smyth is also now pushing for game time.

    He'll be disappointed not to get a start when TK, SOD and Rodgers are all missing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭PeggyShippen


    Shane Meehan still has a whole careers contribution to make but ,and it's not his fault, he's very small for today's game. There's no way around that really. A good big fella is better than a good small fella.

    Mounsey and Crotty should make waves this year. They are plenty old enough and have been around the panel a year or so. There's so many positives in the personnel Lohan has and even the backs have plenty of options even if they concede alot. However it's ingame tactics and gameplan that let us down last year and I'm not sure if Lohan can change.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,340 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    I think Lohan can and will change, and recognized that withy the new backroom team. He has been doing a lot right so only minor tweaks needed.

    You're right about Meehan's size, seems that management see him more as an impact sub....whose pace is deadly once the game opens up



  • Registered Users Posts: 719 ✭✭✭caddy16


    I've seen him a couple of times at Junior and I can't say he's overly impressed me albeit he's obviously heavily targeted. I can see him moving from the Banner to play at a higher lever over the next year or two.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23 jamesconlan85


    I know Shane has opted for hurling but for Shane he could be a good intercounty hurler but an exceptional intercounty footballer. Shane Meehan starts every game for the Clare footballers and has that status of Keelan Sexton in terms of his importantance but the lure of possibly winning a munster title or All Ireland as part of a panelist or sub has made him pick intercounty hurling over intercounty football where he would have a career for the next 13 years if he wanted too and play in every match compared to hurling where he might be brought on now and again but that is glamour of hurling exposure of Clare compared to football



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    I know I posted a photo on here pointing out Meehan's size in relation to Limerick's O'Neill but I wouldn't doubt Meehan's ability to become a starter with the Clare hurlers. Most people with speed don't often know how to read a game (because they don't have to) and rely on their speed. I think Meehan has the ability to read game (probably due to his football experience) and he his has speed - he covers the pitch really well - he also knows where the posts are. He's only 21. He might not be a starter under Lohan yet, wouldn't rule it out for this season completely, but I'd say he will be going forward.

    This is exactly the different type of player that Clare need to hit form to get over the line against Limerick. Someone a bit different. But he does look like he needs a bit more time in the gym, that said wouldn't rule him out making an impact in the summer.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,340 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    Meehan got 1-3 yesterday to help Mary I into the Fitzgibbon final.

    maybe just a case of Lohan managing his load. We’ll see if he gets some starts later in the league.

    Mary I v UL in the final, loads of Clare involvement on both sides



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,117 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson


    big game for the footballers tomorrow , harshly defeated two weeks ago in mullingar they travel to tullamore tomorrow to try and set the record straight from two weeks ago , the result of this game will defy which part of the table we will be concentrating on for the remainder of the spring

    a win and with some more favourable ties upcoming would give us a great shot at promotion , a defeat would mean the next two games against wicklow and limerick would be must win games

    quietly confident on what will probably be a tricky tie , tg4 have highlights monday night too i believe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 621 ✭✭✭dohboy


    What a game. Clare footballers are pure box office, almost every match is nuts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,841 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    That’s a serious win in fairness



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,117 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson


    it was a terrible performance up until the last ten or 15 minutes , a young inexperienced team making loads of errors , but the last 15 minutes is very encouraging the level of fight shown to see the game out was excellent ,most teams trailing 1-10 to 0-4 with that amount of time left would throw in the towel , this is the type of game that will drive them on , when we found top gear we out scored them 2-6 to 0-3 but it took us 45 minutes to find it

    great win in the end , offaly crowd were furious with it naturally so , they got the opportunity at the end and didnt take it ,it was a brutal penalty in fairness went probably 10 foot over the crossbar



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,841 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    I’d say it’ll be a prime example of Clare being delighted with the 2 points and won’t worry too much about the performance in a match that they were fairly big underdogs.



  • Registered Users Posts: 586 ✭✭✭Treble double


    They are down 12 players from last year and missing a few more through injury but, that first 50 minutes was the worst from a Clare team since the dark days of Div 4. They just had a cut when it appeared all over and subs like Eanna O Connor, Cormac Murray and young ODonnell made a huge difference. Offaly very poor. It was great to win it and should make Clare safe in that Division now. Looks like Westmeath and Down will get promoted. Stephen Ryan was excellent and looks like he is becoming a leader on the team and by God do they need a few lads to do that. The starting 15 should see 3 or 4 changes the next day as the lads that came on put up their hands and fellas taken off can't really complain



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,117 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson


    yeah stephan was excellent , its amazing how one tactic can throw a game on its head , i taught when we brought on tom mcdonald , brought stephen uot to midfield for the offaly kickouts against a strong enough wind it was the winning and losing of the game , we had 4 huge men in the middle of the park and just turned over their kickouts at will

    we probably should not be winning these games , only stephan played in the mayo game in 2021 which was a playoff for division one , before the game i noticed 5 key players that were out injured in , cillian brennan ,cillian rouine , brendan rouine ,kiaran malone and darragh bohannon , on top of god knows how many players have departed , mark fitz is doing a super job so far

    o donnell has to start the next day along with cormac murray , i would like to see tom mcdonald and james curran get more game time too ,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,379 ✭✭✭Gael85


    Completely robbed Offaly. Agree McDonald made a massive difference. O'Donnell kicked two big points.

    I thought the Offaly goal was a square ball. Clare only started playing after that. Offaly wilted once Clare pressed the kickouts ..

    Serious heart to come back from that. A great last 10-15 minutes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,117 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson


    i actually feel sorry for them , they are the soundest bunch you could meet to be fair to them , a really good bunch , a debate over 1998 is never far away either 😂 always good craic

    offaly wilted because we have a top class S/C coach in owen tarent from kilrush , he was the mayo S/C coach last year , offaly were the better football team by a mile , and i was very impressed with cormac egan , nigel dunne and dylan hyland , they brought on guys like anton sullivan who i think is a serious footballer and rurai mcnamee both of them along with peter cunningham have more experience then the entire clare team put together they are all great footballers but the energy levels didn't last any more than 45 minutes

    i feel we have embraced the modern game better than a lot of counties it might not be great to watch but its getting us results , as you saw our kick passing was terrible at times but our running game excellent



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,117 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson


    to be fair the lads on the radio are very funny beit football or hurling , i didn't hear it today as i was up there but i imagine it was comedy gold , a load of people from hurling country all say the same thing though which is great 😂



  • Registered Users Posts: 586 ✭✭✭Treble double


    With Tipp and Waterford standing in the way there is a very good chance of getting to the Munster final and with that Sam Maguire Football. Am I wrong in saying that the Tailteann Cup would be way more beneficial to the development of this team at the moment. What good is a tanking from Kerry in a Munster final and then a tanking from another elite team in the All Ireland series going to do this team. They would be capable of putting up a few rounds in the Tailteann which could bring them on again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,117 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson


    to be fair , it would be more beneficial to be playing sam, we got hammered by kerry last year fine but we were ultra competitive against derry monaghan and donegal , the tailteann cup would do nothing for us especially if we got beat by say offaly , the whole football county would be on the young lads backs

    on paper you are right , but in clare we dont do things on paper



  • Registered Users Posts: 23 jamesconlan85


    I cant understand why Emmet McMahon wasnt on the frees from the start. Some gimme points missed from frees until Emmet took over them surely he has to be first choice on frees going forward. I say you could see Shane Griffin, Mark McInerney and Ciaran Downes drop out of the side the next day. I think Eanna O Connor too good to be on our bench and maybe we could push Daniel Walsh to wing forward and have Ikem and Eanna as our two wing backs. As for the other subs James Curran, Cormac Murray and Diarmuid O Donnell all lively. Ya but excellent result given without Cillian Brennan, Cillian Rouine, Joe McGann, Brendy Rouine and Darragh Bohannon who are all starters in fairness. Its hard to see Down or Westmeath dropping points but at least we have put ourselves in a spot to take advantage if they do. Antrim away will be difficult game aswell but next two are very winnable before we finish with Down and Antrim



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    Ohhhhhhhhhh, Clare have gone digital? Paper not good enough anymore.

    Michael has the big whip out:

    https://x.com/DuignanMichael/status/1759349028116934902?s=20



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