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  • Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭spidersweb


    "Four times a day each of us was examined. Three times each day we were tested for corona.

    The personnel in protective suits
    All negative, nobody was sick. Food was brought"


  • Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭spidersweb


    Joedryan wrote: »
    A positive hit for coronavirus is not to be ignored, I think everybody can appreciate that. That whole article strikes me as very bizarre in its attitude.


    What is bizarre is the hysteria and refusal to accept the facts and obvious overreaction. It was never all that likely and I said so weeks ago, only learning today from this article that yes, it was all panic and hysteria.



    Had it been Moscow or a big city , then yeah some real chances back then. This was in MURMANSK! Middle of nowwhere.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,264 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    Joedryan wrote: »
    A positive hit for coronavirus is not to be ignored, I think everybody can appreciate that. That whole article strikes me as very bizarre in its attitude.

    Yeah, the photo of the players in quarantine isn't exactly in quarantine!

    I think it's written by someone for whom English isn't their first language? Thought a bit of it read like it was unclear as to who was then deemed negative/released


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 479 ✭✭Joedryan


    spidersweb wrote: »
    What is bizarre is the hysteria and refusal to accept the facts and obvious overreaction. It was never all that likely and I said so weeks ago, only learning today from this article that yes, it was all panic and hysteria.



    Had it been Moscow or a big city , then yeah some real chances back then.

    Its not hysteria to quarantine after a positive test. Better safe than sorry.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 479 ✭✭Joedryan


    cdeb wrote: »
    Yeah, the photo of the players in quarantine isn't exactly in quarantine!

    I think it's written by someone for whom English isn't their first language? Thought a bit of it read like it was unclear as to who was then deemed negative/released

    I dont know, I just thought it read a bit like "what was all the fuss about". Mind you I can imagine the hassle for all involved too, but if the correct procedures were followed they can all be thankful.


  • Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭spidersweb


    Joedryan wrote: »
    Its not hysteria to quarantine after a positive test. Better safe than sorry.


    Nah that is a cop out and the tired and worn out, thinking and language that is used and abused far too much. Context matters as does actual knowledge and experience. They went into panic mode and try the line about Better safe than sorry, which is always the last line to justify stupid unthinking actions. Face saver. Apply this " Better safe than sorry, " to anything and it works. bearing in mind we are also talking about weeks ago now.


  • Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭spidersweb


    Joedryan wrote: »
    I dont know, I just thought it read a bit like "what was all the fuss about". Mind you I can imagine the hassle for all involved too, but if the correct procedures were followed they can all be thankful.


    They panicked and hysteria won out, hence they did not follow the correct procedures in this particular setting.Correct procedures is just another face saving line. It is very clear that they were tested 3 times a day (that is either true or it is not) NOBODY was positive, again true or not true, but not hard to understand. If the guy is telling fibs then yeah anything goes. Assuming the facts as he says are indeed the facts then it is very clear that it was typical overreaction that we see often in such situations as we have been having for weeks now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 479 ✭✭Joedryan


    spidersweb wrote: »
    Nah that is a cop out and the tired and worn out, thinking and language that is used and abused far too much. Context matters as does actual knowledge and experience. They went into panic mode and try the line about Better safe than sorry, which is always the last line to justify stupid unthinking actions. Face saver. Apply this " Better safe than sorry, " to anything and it works. bearing in mind we are also talking about weeks ago now.

    What would your suggestion be? Let them go on a flight and potentially infect lots more?


  • Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭spidersweb


    Joedryan wrote: »
    What would your suggestion be? Let them go on a flight and potentially infect lots more?
    There is no risk and never was a risk so the whole question is wrong. There never should have been anything done, especially AS HE WAS LEAVING!


    Dig enough and we might find someone got a bright idea and was either hysterical or and wanted some drama or to feel important. People when given any bit of "power" tend to be prone to this, especially in mad scenarios as we have now. Straw Man points to be honest.


    Likely that nobody there even knew how to do a test properly (no fault of their own) but just "to be on the safe side"
    etc etc

    On a par with telling people from anywhere in the world in say the time of the troubles in the 80s not to come to Dublin, Ireland coz ya know, all that bombing and trouble in Ireland , just to be on the safe side, don't risk it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭spidersweb


    Have to wonder if there is not a huge hoax of sorts going on here now with this whole farce . https://youtu.be/bM9aZflBoOU


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29 DancingSpaniel


    spidersweb wrote: »
    Have to wonder if there is not a huge hoax of sorts going on here now with this whole farce . https://youtu.be/bM9aZflBoOU


    In case anyone clicks that link, it's Corbett, one of the far right conspiracy crazies -- don't be fooled by his pseudoscientific patter. We could start debunking this here, but it's way off the forum topic :D


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,264 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    spidersweb wrote: »
    Have to wonder if there is not a huge hoax of sorts going on here now with this whole farce . https://youtu.be/bM9aZflBoOU
    You "have to wonder" if coronavirus is a hoax?

    50k people dead, and it might be a hoax?

    ****ing hell, there's no hope for some people.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,300 ✭✭✭sodacat11


    Joedryan wrote: »
    Its not hysteria to quarantine after a positive test. Better safe than sorry.
    Agreed. It was wreckless for the tournament to go ahead in the first place.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,300 ✭✭✭sodacat11


    cdeb wrote: »
    You "have to wonder" if coronavirus is a hoax?

    50k people dead, and it might be a hoax?

    ****ing hell, there's no hope for some people.
    Maybe spidersweb is Donald Trump??


  • Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭spidersweb


    cdeb wrote: »
    You "have to wonder" if coronavirus is a hoax?

    50k people dead, and it might be a hoax?

    ****ing hell, there's no hope for some people.

    50k dead? Average age and how many actually died because of the virus as opposed to with it. There is a difference. People are dying everyday everywhere for all sorts of reasons. As for the reference to a hoax, that is about the reaction to it and the substance of the claims being made. I keep an open mind.

    I have said I am wondering, not claiming anything one way or the other, asking questions, which is something more people should do more often frankly.

    Just like when it was claimed that an Irish player has the virus when it turns out he didn't, and nobody in the whole event did. And correct me if I am wrong but the heading of this thread is Coronavirus! Hence the topic now being covered.

    Can people not consider different perspectives and angles of topics now? 1984 was a work of fiction, not a manual.


  • Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭spidersweb


    sodacat11 wrote: »
    Maybe spidersweb is Donald Trump??
    Strange notion and irrelevant anyway. You do know we are being ruled over by the green lizard people?


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,264 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    spidersweb wrote: »
    50k dead? Average age and how many actually died because of the virus as opposed to with it. There is a difference. People are dying everyday everywhere for all sorts of reasons. As for the reference to a hoax, that is about the reaction to it and the substance of the claims being made. I keep an open mind.
    While there's an element of truth in this, it's still remarkably disingenuous to try dismiss this whole thing as a hoax. Here's a quote (with sources linked) from one of the main sites tracking the pandemic worldwide, worldometers.info
    Italian army trucks form a long line in the center of Bergamo to transport the coffins from the Bergamo cemetery to cremation sites in other regions, as morgues can't cope with more coronavirus deaths
    Obituaries in the local newspaper went from 1.5 pages (on Feb. 9) to 10 pages (on March 13)

    That was two weeks ago, and the situation in Italy has been pretty much constantly at that level since then. That's not a hoax. That's a fairly serious issue.

    "I keep an open mind" is usually short-hand for "I'll believe whatever aul nonsense I can find online because it makes me feel edgy and in the know". Usually goes with "I'm an independent thinker" and usually ignored basic verifiable facts.


  • Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭spidersweb


    In case anyone clicks that link, it's Corbett, one of the far right conspiracy crazies -- don't be fooled by his pseudoscientific patter. We could start debunking this here, but it's way off the forum topic :D

    Coronavirus is the thread here. As for who, or what, this guy is. You might be right in saying he is talking nonsense but why should I believe you over him? You are coming on here and declaring that you know best and people should not believe this guy because you say this that and the other. Heck don't even look at what this guy has to say?

    You might have a valid point in not believing the merit of this guys arguments and points, fair enough, but I keep an open mind and care only if people seem to make sense. There are still people who believe in a flat earth and all manner of weird and untrue things. I have no problem simply examining the cases on merit and making my own mind up.

    Certainly I won't be going by the numbers, as at one time it was common knowledge that the earth was the centre of the universe and all manner of things/notions, turned out to be wrong.

    Try do a bit of WONDERING- honest to goodness, it will do you the world of good and is harmless too. Don't be fooled by people telling you not to be fooled who provide and offer zero reasons why someone is supposedly wrong.

    Feel free to explain and or refute any claim made in this video: https://youtu.be/RkJELpndAOs

    I repeat what I said before

    Have to wonder if there is not a huge hoax of sorts going on here now with this whole farce.


  • Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭spidersweb


    cdeb wrote: »
    While there's an element of truth in this, it's still remarkably disingenuous to try dismiss this whole thing as a hoax.
    .

    Give the full and proper quote- it makes a world of difference.

    "Have to wonder if there is not a huge hoax of sorts going on here now with this whole farce."


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  • Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭spidersweb


    cdeb wrote: »

    That was two weeks ago, and the situation in Italy has been pretty much constantly at that level since then. That's not a hoax. That's a fairly serious issue.

    "I keep an open mind" is usually short-hand for "I'll believe whatever aul nonsense I can find online because it makes me feel edgy and in the know". Usually goes with "I'm an independent thinker" and usually ignored basic verifiable facts.
    A lot of projection there to be honest and incorrect too. You can continue to believe whatever nonsense you like at will.

    As I said 1984 is a work of fiction not a manual. You are free to explore and examine issues any way you like. I am not trying to persuade anybody of much of anything but I do detect a huge element of "GROUP THINK" in play and then "WRONG THINK" not that far away either. Give some time and space and we might then have a sort of MOB RULE or MOB MENTALITY prevailing.

    Just consider the scale and proportions of things going on and feel free to tell me you are so sure it all makes sense and is being done for the right reasons, in the right way, and with the right outcomes.

    I am by no means so confident as you seem to be. Shoot me for that!


  • Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭spidersweb


    sodacat11 wrote: »
    Agreed. It was wreckless for the tournament to go ahead in the first place.

    Test was not positive it was WRONG! He never was positive and not one of the people there ever was tested positive! Facts matter. Ask the guy (Alex) directly next time you see him at a tournament, assuming we are ever ALLOWED out again!

    The original report even said "PRELIMINARY" and after 2 weeks in Q he and all the others who were tested three times everyday all were negative.

    Ever hear the idea about not always believing what you read in the papers, or for that matter on the internet.

    We are being ruled over by the Green Lizard people, I read it on the internet and some government people told me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29 DancingSpaniel


    There's enough of this hoax nonsense elsewhere on the web. Try talking to a healthcare worker. Or look at the Tennis Center in Flushing Meadows, New York being turned into a field hospital. These conspiracy theorists don't use any form of logic so there's no point debating with them. Hope everyone is staying in and thanks be for Lichess!


  • Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭spidersweb


    There's enough of this hoax nonsense elsewhere on the web. Try talking to a healthcare worker. Or look at the Tennis Center in Flushing Meadows, New York being turned into a field hospital. These conspiracy theorists don't use any form of logic so there's no point debating with them. Hope everyone is staying in and thanks be for Lichess!

    In other words, do as you are told, don't think, don't question and certainly don't wonder!

    You honestly have zero arguments or evidence, just "feelings" and vague references to "talking to a healthcare worker" and other nebulous and irrelevant rhetoric.

    You seem far more of a conspiracy theorist than any conspiracy theorist I know or could imagine, and that is scary.

    Stay inside and don't come out until you are granted permission.

    Meanwhile back in Taiwan and Japan and Singapore........

    If you, or anybody esle can actually specifically tell me where and when this guy, Dave Cullen, is wrong then you have my attention and gratitude.

    https://youtu.be/RkJELpndAOs


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29 DancingSpaniel


    If any other reader is interested in hearing the explanation behind the Italian figures that Corbett build his conspiracy theory about, I'll provide it...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,334 ✭✭✭reunion


    *mod note*

    Consider this a warning to all - conspiracy posts or posts about the coronavirus I'm going to shut down and start quarantining people.

    Post how it relates to chess or how the ICU is running online events are fine.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 285 ✭✭checknraise


    Id be worried about anyone listening to that Dave Cullen lad. I would keep an open mind about everything but 5 minutes in you can tell the lads a clown. His whole game seems to be just misrepresenting stats or mistakes that people have made to strengthen his argument. Never presenting the whole side of any argument!


  • Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭spidersweb


    Id be worried about anyone listening to that Dave Cullen lad. I would keep an open mind about everything but 5 minutes in you can tell the lads a clown. His whole game seems to be just misrepresenting stats or mistakes that people have made to strengthen his argument. Never presenting the whole side of any argument!

    Like for example?

    Aside for asserting that YOU can tell 5 minutes in that he is a clown and that again, according to YOU, he is misrepresenting facts or mistakes people have made, to strengthen his argument? While never (?) presenting the whole side of any argument? I am curious indeed as what you are actually referring to, specifically.

    I am not at all sure exactly what his overall argument is. He has made some very interesting and valid points and observations and while I would dispute some of the conclusions he seems to have and his emphasis I can take the good with the bad.

    For example, and to be specific I think he is overstating the whole cash free society thing. He has a point and shows good examples of its relevance but I think he is still wrong and reading far too much into things there.

    I find it more scary that people like you, and no doubt others, engage in character assassination without engaging with any of the actual points being made. It seems to be all just ad hominem stuff. Fair enough to be critical and weary of anybody making big claims, but then bluntly state when and where there are actual errors or as you would see it, mad stuff.

    Meanwhile we then have a mod telling us that we can't even discuss the corona virus in a thread on, well, the corona virus! Next we will have talk of corona virus deniers I guess? Notwithstanding the fact that I am unaware of anybody suggesting any sort of "denial" of the corona virus or it's clearly real effects.

    Rather when one merely expresses the thought that one begins "to wonder if there is not a huge hoax of sorts going on here" in relation to the reaction and perceived (or real depending on perspective) hysteria and troubling aspects of parrot like "GROUP THINK" 1984 style. Reason, calm and logic seem to go out the window.

    I don't think there is any actual conspiracy with this corona virus, save for the way in which so many bureaucrats and state bodies or government officials are singing from the same hymn sheet at times, almost what appears to be in a mindless manner, and so many are just going along with what is fed to them non stop 24/7. All on just about every news station, TV radio etc etc.

    Saying that there are conspiracy posts because you presumably don't like what the views being offered are is incorrect and unfair to say the least.

    Most people can tell for themselves that if someone was coming on here saying that the corona virus does not exist or that it is some plan by a bunch of people hatching a conspiracy, then that would clearly be just wrong and they would ignore it or laugh accordingly.

    I can easily notice problems with many aspects of some of the content and points being made in the two videos I gave links to, and yet nobody was able to point to anything specific at all. All the while the many valid points and observations made and referenced from mainstream and official sources, within these two videos, are all just conspiracy stuff?

    Hardly, there are real questions and issues that could well be asked and examined beyond the mass acceptance so I don't buy into the notion that we should all just shut up, stay indoors and not think or wonder about things and how potentially insidious and dangerous it is to give up basic rights and almost the entire economy too.

    The chess context here was the case of the Irish chess player Alex who got caught up in the hysteria side of things along with others in Russia, and was stuck in Murmansk for two weeks in Q as a result, despite never testing positive at all and the original story having been shown to be a huge overreaction., which in fairness is very human, and there are also examples in which not enough caution and overreactions might actually have been better.

    As for the Lichess and the activity being done by yourself? Good on you and well done, great stuff to see and long may it continue. I was pretty much joking in one of my earlier responses to the effect that there were bigger and more worrying things now coming down the tracks and playing chess online was the least of our concerns. That is literally true and very depressing to think of the profound negative effects already. When will real chess tournaments be back again? Anybody willing to hazard a guess?

    I was not actually serious when I was using words like savages and barbarians to describe the online activities. I was "taking the "proverbial" piss" as of course it is a good thing to have instigated these activities.

    I did not partake myself but have been using lichess and played far more blitz online than for ages. I will probably join the next ICU lichess events at the weekend.

    When all is said and done it will be interesting see what is uncovered about this whole episode in human history in the years following it and what will be revealed. I have few doubts that what we are being led to believe is anything like the full or balanced story.

    History shows that incompetence is far more relevant than conspiracies, yet many who are accused of having or offering conspiracy theories are often just too close to core truths or incredible facts, be they coincidental or by design.

    There is simply no denying however that we are being ruled over by the Green Lizard people. But you already knew that right?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 383 ✭✭macelligott


    Sometimes we all overestimate our expertise.
    Consider the Dunning-Kruger affect:
    https://youtu.be/pOLmD_WVY-E


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29 DancingSpaniel


    I'm no expert in pandemics, the World Health Orgainsation is though. Smallpox killed hundreds of millions of people until the WHO took it on and eradicated it. If you want to learn more about Covid-19, try reading their stuff. David Cullen? Who the fook is that guy?

    And btw the Dunning-Kruger effect shows that non-experts overestimate their ability, but real experts underestimate their ability. Yes, I'm backing the WHO on this one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,334 ✭✭✭reunion


    The powerplay youtube channel is now reviewing books instead of recent games.

    The Complete Chess Swindler by David Smerdon - The first one in what I hope will be a long line of reviews!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 262 ✭✭RooksPawn


    spidersweb wrote: »
    What is bizarre is the hysteria and refusal to accept the facts and obvious overreaction. It was never all that likely and I said so weeks ago, only learning today from this article that yes, it was all panic and hysteria.



    Had it been Moscow or a big city , then yeah some real chances back then. This was in MURMANSK! Middle of nowwhere.

    From the Russians' point of view at least, it is quite plausible that an Irish player could have brought the virus with them and incubated it during the tournament.

    He could have caught it from a schoolmate recently returned from a half-term school trip to northern Italy - especially as Bergamo (and so presumably its airport, used by Ryanair) seems to have been a hotbed of infection.

    Rather than speculate, why not wait for Alex (who has now been named by ICU) to confirm whether or not he actually had the virus.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29 DancingSpaniel


    reunion wrote: »
    The powerplay youtube channel is now reviewing books instead of recent games.

    The Complete Chess Swindler by David Smerdon - The first one in what I hope will be a long line of reviews!


    The first 3 minutes of this clip is the most entertaining could-have-been-a-swindle ever!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 383 ✭✭macelligott


    Some nice graphs:
    https://youtu.be/sz1bGzYdRdk


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 479 ✭✭Joedryan


    spidersweb wrote: »
    Test was not positive it was WRONG!

    hmm


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,300 ✭✭✭sodacat11


    I see that the Irish Championship has been moved to August. We can but hope.
    I don't understand how countries are now considering relaxing restrictions. Surely if even one person is left with coronavirus the whole thing would just flare up the same way all over again?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,862 ✭✭✭mikhail


    sodacat11 wrote: »
    I see that the Irish Championship has been moved to August. We can but hope.
    I don't understand how countries are now considering relaxing restrictions. Surely if even one person is left with coronavirus the whole thing would just flare up the same way all over again?
    One of the more plausible ideas I've heard is this one, where we bounce in and out of isolation for quite some time:
    periodic-social-distancing_0.jpg?sw=616&cx=0&cy=0&cw=1245&ch=762
    Article: https://www.technologyreview.com/s/615370/coronavirus-pandemic-social-distancing-18-months/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,300 ✭✭✭sodacat11


    Very interesting, if a little pessimistic. It would seem that the only real solution is a vaccine.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29 DancingSpaniel


    There's so much we don't know about this virus. I've never seen a proper, random population survey to assess the true level of infection. It could be far higher than current figures show, in which case we on the route to some degree of herd immunity. Throw that the coronviruses that cause the common cold are seasonal, and the prevalence of BCG vaccination in Ireland may help, and our damp climate certainly makes life hard for airborne viruses. Plus we don't shake hands/kiss/embrace much, plus social distancing won't vanish just because lock-down ends. And while a vaccine is a while away, a partial treatment may come a lot sooner.

    Taking all these things together, an Irish in August is not an impossibility!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,862 ✭✭✭mikhail


    All we can really do is hope for the best, and plan for the worst.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 262 ✭✭RooksPawn


    That BCG thing is surely fake news, just a statistical quirk.
    There is no way a vaccine against a bacillus can be effective against a virus.
    A targeted vaccine for Covid-19 specifically might be ready for mass distribution in winter 2021/22 if we are lucky.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,862 ✭✭✭mikhail


    RooksPawn wrote: »
    That BCG thing is surely fake news, just a statistical quirk.
    Just spitballing, but maybe there are some secondary infections it offers some protection against. It wouldn't do anything to the virus itself, but it might be able to limit some complications of it. Maybe. Not a doctor.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 479 ✭✭Joedryan


    sodacat11 wrote: »
    I see that the Irish Championship has been moved to August. We can but hope.
    I don't understand how countries are now considering relaxing restrictions. Surely if even one person is left with coronavirus the whole thing would just flare up the same way all over again?

    I think I'll still be out, even by some remote chance travel is an option no way I can possibly plan for it in advance, this whole year might be a bit of a write off chess-wise.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,300 ✭✭✭sodacat11


    Joedryan wrote: »
    I think I'll still be out, even by some remote chance travel is an option no way I can possibly plan for it in advance, this whole year might be a bit of a write off chess-wise.

    Yeah, it's a shame that so many good tournaments are being lost, Galway Easter, Malahide (probably), the Irish Ch (maybe) and the leagues. If I get to play in Kilkenny and Malta in November I will be delighted but I am still hoping that the Irish Ch and City of Dublin will go ahead although I am not optimistic :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29 DancingSpaniel


    RooksPawn wrote: »
    That BCG thing is surely fake news, just a statistical quirk.

    There is no way a vaccine against a bacillus can be effective against a virus.
    A targeted vaccine for Covid-19 specifically might be ready for mass distribution in winter 2021/22 if we are lucky.


    Maybe it's a quirk, but several studies over the years have shown that the BCG vaccine stimulates the immune system in a way that makes it more effective against some viral infections. We'll know for sure in a few months after it's been studied properly. Maybe in time for the Irish :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,300 ✭✭✭sodacat11


    Maybe it's a quirk, but several studies over the years have shown that the BCG vaccine stimulates the immune system in a way that makes it more effective against some viral infections. We'll know for sure in a few months after it's been studied properly. Maybe in time for the Irish :D

    I was reading today that one of the reasons that young people could be dying by covid 19 is because they have an overly reactive immune system, it has something to do with the production of mucus in the lungs. Then again I know about as much about medical matters as I do about the exchange French.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 885 ✭✭✭DmanDmythDledge


    sodacat11 wrote: »
    Yeah, it's a shame that so many good tournaments are being lost, Galway Easter, Malahide (probably), the Irish Ch (maybe) and the leagues. If I get to play in Kilkenny and Malta in November I will be delighted but I am still hoping that the Irish Ch and City of Dublin will go ahead although I am not optimistic :(
    I'd go with Malahide definitely being gone.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 383 ✭✭macelligott


    I’d be reasonably hopeful that the Irish championship will go ahead in August. I’ve entered anyway :-)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 262 ✭✭RooksPawn


    I’d be reasonably hopeful that the Irish championship will go ahead in August. I’ve entered anyway :-)

    Brave man. Consider this:

    a) Will you be wearing a mask while you play your games for four/five hours?

    b) Will the school venue actually be available now that the Leaving Cert exams may be running at the same time?

    Much as I would like to enter one of the Irish championship events, I don't think I shall be involved in any OTB chess in 2020, and even 2021 doesn't look too hopeful for those of us over 60.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 479 ✭✭Joedryan


    I’d be reasonably hopeful that the Irish championship will go ahead in August. I’ve entered anyway :-)

    While I admire your optimism Gerry, I cannot see any objective reason for it, I doubt very much there will be any events going forward this year. Hope I am wrong.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29 DancingSpaniel


    +1 for Gerry's optimism. Plenty of objective evidence in favour or against, so we may as well be optimistic!


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