Coronavirus

"Four times a day each of us was examined. Three times each day we were tested for corona.

The personnel in protective suits
All negative, nobody was sick. Food was brought"

Joedryan wrote: »

I dont know, I just thought it read a bit like "what was all the fuss about". Mind you I can imagine the hassle for all involved too, but if the correct procedures were followed they can all be thankful.

They panicked and hysteria won out, hence they did not follow the correct procedures in this particular setting.Correct procedures is just another face saving line. It is very clear that they were tested 3 times a day (that is either true or it is not) NOBODY was positive, again true or not true, but not hard to understand. If the guy is telling fibs then yeah anything goes. Assuming the facts as he says are indeed the facts then it is very clear that it was typical overreaction that we see often in such situations as we have been having for weeks now.

Joedryan wrote: »

What would your suggestion be? Let them go on a flight and potentially infect lots more?

There is no risk and never was a risk so the whole question is wrong. There never should have been anything done, especially AS HE WAS LEAVING!


Dig enough and we might find someone got a bright idea and was either hysterical or and wanted some drama or to feel important. People when given any bit of "power" tend to be prone to this, especially in mad scenarios as we have now. Straw Man points to be honest.


Likely that nobody there even knew how to do a test properly (no fault of their own) but just "to be on the safe side"

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On a par with telling people from anywhere in the world in say the time of the troubles in the 80s not to come to Dublin, Ireland coz ya know, all that bombing and trouble in Ireland , just to be on the safe side, don't risk it.

cdeb wrote: »

You "have to wonder" if coronavirus is a hoax?

50k people dead, and it might be a hoax?

****ing hell, there's no hope for some people.

50k dead? Average age and how many actually died because of the virus as opposed to with it. There is a difference. People are dying everyday everywhere for all sorts of reasons. As for the reference to a hoax, that is about the reaction to it and the substance of the claims being made. I keep an open mind.

I have said I am wondering, not claiming anything one way or the other, asking questions, which is something more people should do more often frankly.

Just like when it was claimed that an Irish player has the virus when it turns out he didn't, and nobody in the whole event did. And correct me if I am wrong but the heading of this thread is Coronavirus! Hence the topic now being covered.

Can people not consider different perspectives and angles of topics now? 1984 was a work of fiction, not a manual.

cdeb wrote: »

While there's an element of truth in this, it's still remarkably disingenuous to try dismiss this whole thing as a hoax.
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Give the full and proper quote- it makes a world of difference.

"Have to wonder if there is not a huge hoax of sorts going on here now with this whole farce."

sodacat11 wrote: »

Agreed. It was wreckless for the tournament to go ahead in the first place.

Test was not positive it was WRONG! He never was positive and not one of the people there ever was tested positive! Facts matter. Ask the guy (Alex) directly next time you see him at a tournament, assuming we are ever ALLOWED out again!

The original report even said "PRELIMINARY" and after 2 weeks in Q he and all the others who were tested three times everyday all were negative.

Ever hear the idea about not always believing what you read in the papers, or for that matter on the internet.

We are being ruled over by the Green Lizard people, I read it on the internet and some government people told me.

DancingSpaniel wrote: »

There's enough of this hoax nonsense elsewhere on the web. Try talking to a healthcare worker. Or look at the Tennis Center in Flushing Meadows, New York being turned into a field hospital. These conspiracy theorists don't use any form of logic so there's no point debating with them. Hope everyone is staying in and thanks be for Lichess!

In other words, do as you are told, don't think, don't question and certainly don't wonder!

You honestly have zero arguments or evidence, just "feelings" and vague references to "talking to a healthcare worker" and other nebulous and irrelevant rhetoric.

You seem far more of a conspiracy theorist than any conspiracy theorist I know or could imagine, and that is scary.

Stay inside and don't come out until you are granted permission.

Meanwhile back in Taiwan and Japan and Singapore........

If you, or anybody esle can actually specifically tell me where and when this guy, Dave Cullen, is wrong then you have my attention and gratitude.

https://youtu.be/RkJELpndAOs

checknraise wrote: »

Id be worried about anyone listening to that Dave Cullen lad. I would keep an open mind about everything but 5 minutes in you can tell the lads a clown. His whole game seems to be just misrepresenting stats or mistakes that people have made to strengthen his argument. Never presenting the whole side of any argument!

Like for example?

Aside for asserting that YOU can tell 5 minutes in that he is a clown and that again, according to YOU, he is misrepresenting facts or mistakes people have made, to strengthen his argument? While never (?) presenting the whole side of any argument? I am curious indeed as what you are actually referring to, specifically.

I am not at all sure exactly what his overall argument is. He has made some very interesting and valid points and observations and while I would dispute some of the conclusions he seems to have and his emphasis I can take the good with the bad.

For example, and to be specific I think he is overstating the whole cash free society thing. He has a point and shows good examples of its relevance but I think he is still wrong and reading far too much into things there.

I find it more scary that people like you, and no doubt others, engage in character assassination without engaging with any of the actual points being made. It seems to be all just ad hominem stuff. Fair enough to be critical and weary of anybody making big claims, but then bluntly state when and where there are actual errors or as you would see it, mad stuff.

Meanwhile we then have a mod telling us that we can't even discuss the corona virus in a thread on, well, the corona virus! Next we will have talk of corona virus deniers I guess? Notwithstanding the fact that I am unaware of anybody suggesting any sort of "denial" of the corona virus or it's clearly real effects.

Rather when one merely expresses the thought that one begins "to wonder if there is not a huge hoax of sorts going on here" in relation to the reaction and perceived (or real depending on perspective) hysteria and troubling aspects of parrot like "GROUP THINK" 1984 style. Reason, calm and logic seem to go out the window.

I don't think there is any actual conspiracy with this corona virus, save for the way in which so many bureaucrats and state bodies or government officials are singing from the same hymn sheet at times, almost what appears to be in a mindless manner, and so many are just going along with what is fed to them non stop 24/7. All on just about every news station, TV radio etc etc.

Saying that there are conspiracy posts because you presumably don't like what the views being offered are is incorrect and unfair to say the least.

Most people can tell for themselves that if someone was coming on here saying that the corona virus does not exist or that it is some plan by a bunch of people hatching a conspiracy, then that would clearly be just wrong and they would ignore it or laugh accordingly.

I can easily notice problems with many aspects of some of the content and points being made in the two videos I gave links to, and yet nobody was able to point to anything specific at all. All the while the many valid points and observations made and referenced from mainstream and official sources, within these two videos, are all just conspiracy stuff?

Hardly, there are real questions and issues that could well be asked and examined beyond the mass acceptance so I don't buy into the notion that we should all just shut up, stay indoors and not think or wonder about things and how potentially insidious and dangerous it is to give up basic rights and almost the entire economy too.

The chess context here was the case of the Irish chess player Alex who got caught up in the hysteria side of things along with others in Russia, and was stuck in Murmansk for two weeks in Q as a result, despite never testing positive at all and the original story having been shown to be a huge overreaction., which in fairness is very human, and there are also examples in which not enough caution and overreactions might actually have been better.

As for the Lichess and the activity being done by yourself? Good on you and well done, great stuff to see and long may it continue. I was pretty much joking in one of my earlier responses to the effect that there were bigger and more worrying things now coming down the tracks and playing chess online was the least of our concerns. That is literally true and very depressing to think of the profound negative effects already. When will real chess tournaments be back again? Anybody willing to hazard a guess?

I was not actually serious when I was using words like savages and barbarians to describe the online activities. I was "taking the "proverbial" piss" as of course it is a good thing to have instigated these activities.

I did not partake myself but have been using lichess and played far more blitz online than for ages. I will probably join the next ICU lichess events at the weekend.

When all is said and done it will be interesting see what is uncovered about this whole episode in human history in the years following it and what will be revealed. I have few doubts that what we are being led to believe is anything like the full or balanced story.

History shows that incompetence is far more relevant than conspiracies, yet many who are accused of having or offering conspiracy theories are often just too close to core truths or incredible facts, be they coincidental or by design.

There is simply no denying however that we are being ruled over by the Green Lizard people. But you already knew that right?