President Donald Trump - Formal Impeachment Inquiry Announced

notobtuse · 07-02-2020 4:31pm

duploelabs wrote: »

Have you independently verified documentation to back up those claims? No, I didn't think so

Of course not. Don't be a doofus.

Beyond wealth lets look at another factor. A CNNMoney analysis calculates there are 22,450 direct employees/jobs attributable to Trump, and there are many other jobs that would not exist without Trump. Economists call this the "multiplier effect." The state of New York says that "leisure and hospitality" companies like Trump's typically have a 1.5 multiplier effect. Using that multiplier the Trump Organization is responsible for about 34,000 jobs. And if you view the Trump Organization as a financial services or management company, then the employment multiplier would be 3 bringing the jobs attributable of Trump to 67,000.

Bloomberg (whose owner is running against Trump) calculates Trump’s personal wealth at around $3 billion US.

duploelabs · 07-02-2020 4:32pm

notobtuse wrote: »

Of course not. Don't be a doofus.

Beyond wealth lets look at another factor. A CNNMoney analysis calculates there are 22,450 direct employees/jobs attributable to Trump, and there are many other jobs that would not exist without Trump. Economists call this the "multiplier effect." The state of New York says that "leisure and hospitality" companies like Trump's typically have a 1.5 multiplier effect. Using that multiplier the Trump Organization is responsible for about 34,000 jobs. And if you view the Trump Organization as a financial services or management company, then the employment multiplier would be 3 bringing the jobs attributable of Trump to 67,000.

Bloomberg (whose owner is running against Trump) calculates Trump’s personal wealth at around $3 billion US.

Well without any verification to your claims, you're just talking b*llocks (colour me shocked)

notobtuse · 07-02-2020 4:34pm

duploelabs wrote: »

Well without any verification to your claims, you're just talking b*llocks (colour me shocked)

I take it you don't realize how sad and desperate your posts appear.

duploelabs · 07-02-2020 4:34pm

notobtuse wrote: »

I take it you don't realize how sad and desperate your posts appear.

Because I'm pointing out you're unable to verify your claims? Bless

notobtuse · 07-02-2020 4:38pm

duploelabs wrote: »

Because I'm pointing out you're unable to verify your claims? Bless

Nobody on this earth can, not even Trump himself. His assets (and business structure) are just too massive and diverse. The best anyone can do is rely on analysis and estimates of experts. It's not brain science.

Winning_Stroke · 07-02-2020 4:39pm

MonkeyTennis wrote: »

Came from nowhere? Oh I forgot .. he started shining shoes in time square.

Yes, politically nowhere. No backing or base in either party, no prior experience in a political role.

kilns · 07-02-2020 4:43pm

notobtuse wrote: »

Nobody on this earth can, not even Trump himself. His assets (and business structure) are just too massive and diverse. The best anyone can do is rely on analysis and estimates of experts. It's not brain science.

to be fair I am sure his CFO and the IRS could tell you.

If I were to hazard I guess I would say his net worth is probably around 200-300 million

There is no point debating his wealth as the full facts are not on display and thats the way he wants it evidently.

notobtuse · 07-02-2020 4:47pm

Winning_Stroke wrote: »

Yes, politically nowhere. No backing or base in either party, no prior experience in a political role.

Have you noticed a number of posters here have seemingly signed onto the Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez school of reasoning.

One of her recent gems…
“It’s a physical impossibility to lift yourself up by a bootstrap, by your shoelaces? It’s physically impossible. The whole thing is a joke.”

That’s like saying… “It's a physical impossibility to be in a pickle. Inside an actual pickle? Our bodies are too big. It’s physically impossible. The whole thing is a joke!” (shout-out to Tom Elliot for that one)

kilns · 07-02-2020 4:48pm

Winning_Stroke wrote: »

Yes, politically nowhere. No backing or base in either party, no prior experience in a political role.

to be fair alot of credit has to go to Kelly Ann, she really played a stormer for him and he really had a good social media team behind him and his style struck a cord with a certain number of people.

I think thats the issue with him, its the reason he rubs people up the wrong way, his demeanor. He is not a pleasant guy and I am sure even his most ardent fans would admit to that but some people love that about him others hate it. If he sat quietly in the Oval Office going about his business his approval ratings would probably be much higher but he cant resist as he is a narcacist.

This thread shows how polarising he is, you either love him or hate him. The majority of Americans hate him evidently but due to Americas weird "democracy" that doesnt matter

one armed dwarf · 07-02-2020 4:50pm

The reason for that remark by AOC was to get to the etymology of the phrase, which is that it's physically impossible to do so. It's about the fact that not everyone can get ahead just by working hard, therefore it's as ludicrous to suggest as pulling oneself up by their bootstraps.

http://listserv.linguistlist.org/pipermail/ads-l/2005-August/052756.html

Winning_Stroke · 07-02-2020 4:51pm

notobtuse wrote: »

One of her recent gems…
“It’s a physical impossibility to lift yourself up by a bootstrap, by your shoelaces? It’s physically impossible. The whole thing is a joke.”

I just had to look that one up. Bloody hell.

notobtuse · 07-02-2020 4:51pm

one armed dwarf wrote: »

The reason for that remark by AOC was to get to the etymology of the phrase, which is that it's physically impossible to do so. It's about the fact that not everyone can get ahead just by working hard, therefore it's as ludicrous to suggest as pulling oneself up by their bootstraps.

http://listserv.linguistlist.org/pipermail/ads-l/2005-August/052756.html

So metaphors are above her level of intelligence?

kilns · 07-02-2020 4:52pm

notobtuse wrote: »

Have you noticed a number of posters here have seemingly signed onto the Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez school of reasoning.

One of her recent gems…
“It’s a physical impossibility to lift yourself up by a bootstrap, by your shoelaces? It’s physically impossible. The whole thing is a joke.”

That’s like saying… “It's a physical impossibility to be in a pickle. Inside an actual pickle? Our bodies are too big. It’s physically impossible. The whole thing is a joke!” (shout-out to Tom Elliot for that one)

I am actually geniunely fascinated why people like you and FOX are so obsessed with her. She comes across as a person who geniunely cares about people and her country and yes may have radical plans that realisitically may not work but the abuse she gets is very interesting. She is not nasty like Trump so I just wonder why she attracts so much venom

Winning_Stroke · 07-02-2020 4:53pm

one armed dwarf wrote: »

The reason for that remark by AOC was to get to the etymology of the phrase, which is that it's physically impossible to do so.

Was that up for debate?

I've got a secret. I can't physically fall head over heels. It's impossible. My head is always over my heels. I can't fall upwards. It makes no sense, the whole thing is a joke.

WrenBoy · 07-02-2020 4:56pm

notobtuse wrote: »

Have you noticed a number of posters here have seemingly signed onto the Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez school of reasoning.

One of her recent gems…
“It’s a physical impossibility to lift yourself up by a bootstrap, by your shoelaces? It’s physically impossible. The whole thing is a joke.”

That’s like saying… “It's a physical impossibility to be in a pickle. Inside an actual pickle? Our bodies are too big. It’s physically impossible. The whole thing is a joke!” (shout-out to Tom Elliot for that one)

Do you have independently verified pickle studies to back that up ??

07-02-2020 4:57pm

I'm pretty sure that the point AOC was making was that more Right-wing politicians talk about "allowing" people to pull themselves up by their bootstraps as an actual policy position. Pretending she doesn't understand the metaphor is just disingenuous. The metaphor started as an example of a ridiculous assertion yet it's now used by the Libertarian types as an actual position.

notobtuse · 07-02-2020 4:59pm

kilns wrote: »

I am actually geniunely fascinated why people like you and FOX are so obsessed with her. She comes across as a person who geniunely cares about people and her country and yes may have radical plans that realisitically may not work but the abuse she gets is very interesting. She is not nasty like Trump so I just wonder why she attracts so much venom

We have to keep her in the news. Didn't you know AOC is actually a Republican plant... our very own Manchurian Candidate? We snuck her into Congress to disrupt the Democrats and make them look bad. And she’s doing a wonderful job, she causes Nancy Pelosi more headaches than she does the Republicans. And just look at her most recent success… She forced Pelosi to rush the impeachment that blew up in the democrats faces. Just wait to see what is in store next month!

:)

notobtuse · 07-02-2020 5:01pm

WrenBoy wrote: »

Do you have independently verified pickle studies to back that up ??

kilns · 07-02-2020 5:03pm

notobtuse wrote: »

We have to keep her in the news. Didn't you know AOC is actually a Republican plant... our very own Manchurian Candidate? We snuck her into Congress to disrupt the Democrats and make them look bad. And she’s doing a wonderful job, she causes Nancy Pelosi more headaches than she does the Republicans. and just look at her most recent success… She forced Pelosi to rush the impeachment that blew up in the democrats faces. Just wait to see what is in store next month! :)

Again you failed to answer the question. I just want a genuine answer without the sarcastic response.

Why the obsession with her, from an outsiders point of view its like she makes Fox and Republicans feel threatened.

She seems like a geniune person who actually cares and is not someone there to just feather their nest with corporate money like many dems and republicans in congress and the senate. To be honest America would be better represented by more people like her who cant be bought

Boggles · 07-02-2020 5:03pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

Henry Ford went bankrupt before bouncing back. As did Walt Disney, HJ Heinz, Larry King, William Durant, Francis Ford Copolla, PT Barnum, Mick Fleetwood, Stan Lee, Abe Lincoln.

Also, The Donald.

Only one of those bankrupt a casino though.

notobtuse · 07-02-2020 5:08pm

kilns wrote: »

Again you failed to answer the question. I just want a genuine answer without the sarcastic response.

Why the obsession with her, from an outsiders point of view its like she makes Fox and Republicans feel threatened.

She seems like a geniune person who actually cares and is not someone there to just feather their nest with corporate money like many dems and republicans in congress and the senate. To be honest America would be better represented by more people like her who cant be bought

I see you don't get humor. We like to keep her in the news because her power represents the stupidity of what the future of the democrat party is becoming, and it's always good politically to put their foolishness on display.

woohoo!!! · 07-02-2020 5:09pm

Boggles wrote: »

Only one of those bankrupt a casino though.

Bankrupting a casino isn't a good look but you would want to see some stats to demonstrate whether it's more common than you think or it takes something special to achieve and not in a good way

woohoo!!! · 07-02-2020 5:12pm

AOC is intelligent, her left style policies are of course far out for the US. She's young and politically naive for sure, just like everyone starting out.

It's a bit rich to say she's thick considering the constant reminders with Trump and his almost daily gaffes.

notobtuse · 07-02-2020 5:13pm

woohoo!!! wrote: »

Bankrupting a casino isn't a good look but you would want to see some stats to demonstrate whether it's more common than you think or it takes something special to achieve and not in a good way

I believe the majority of those business bankruptcies of Trump had to do with Atlantic City. Atlantic City had the eastern half of the US casino market until Native Americans were allowed to start opening up casinos and then other states started opening up casinos. Once that started happening the entire casino, entertainment and hotel market in Atlantic City went down the crapper. Any person with half a brain could see those circumstances were outside of Trump's control.

Tasfasdf · 07-02-2020 5:14pm

woohoo!!! wrote: »

AOC is intelligent, her left style policies are of course far out for the US. She's young and politically naive for sure, just like everyone starting out.

It's a bit rich to say she's thick considering the constant reminders with Trump and his almost daily gaffes.

I suppose when you compare her to a Sloth.

07-02-2020 5:14pm

duploelabs wrote: »

Have you independently verified documentation to back up those claims? No, I didn't think so

This is hilarious. I don't have any verified documentation that gravity exists. So it is 50/50 at best.

woohoo!!! · 07-02-2020 5:16pm

Tasfasdf wrote: »

I suppose when you compare her to a Sloth.

Compared to Trump, I agree

Boggles · 07-02-2020 5:16pm

notobtuse wrote: »

I see you don't get humor. We like to keep her in the news because her power represents the stupidity of what the future of the democrat party is becoming, and it's always good politically to put their foolishness on display.

So you would be happy enough if your 2 young daughters received the same level of vitriol in their political careers?

Would it just be bantz if they were called stupid and had creepy photos published of them mocking them?

That would be fair game right?

ebbsy · 07-02-2020 5:17pm

Watch out, there are a few brain dead snitches on this thread...……….

The very worst kind, with not backbone, just like the Democrats.

Boggles · 07-02-2020 5:17pm

ebbsy wrote: »

Watch out, there are a few brain dead snitches on this thread...……….
.

Huh?

duploelabs · 07-02-2020 5:19pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

This is hilarious. I don't have any verified documentation that gravity exists. So it is 50/50 at best.

If something abstract is claimed without verification then of course I'd ask for verification.
Also you've commented using a different username.

Mic drop, yes that's proof of gravity

kilns · 07-02-2020 5:20pm

notobtuse wrote: »

I see you don't get humor. We like to keep her in the news because her power represents the stupidity of what the future of the democrat party is becoming, and it's always good politically to put their foolishness on display.

Ha ha not silly sarcistic humour like that no

As I said America would be better off with people like her, as she cant be bought by PACs trying to influence and wants to geniunely improve the country.

The irony is not lost when you call her stupid considering the daily stupid things Trump says

woohoo!!! · 07-02-2020 5:21pm

notobtuse wrote: »

I believe the majority of those business bankruptcies of Trump had to do with Atlantic City. Atlantic City had the eastern half of the US casino market until Native Americans were allowed to start opening up casinos and then other states started opening up casinos. Once that started happening the entire casino, entertainment and hotel market in Atlantic City went down the crapper. Any person with half a brain could see those circumstances were outside of Trump's control.

Sure, there must have been a few casinos going under during that time period then. I think Trump is cunning at some things and woefully ignorant or naive at others, it's his first time as a politician. He makes up for it by connecting with his base and by force of personality and insistence on personal loyalty, bends others to his will.

MonkeyTennis · 07-02-2020 5:22pm

Tasfasdf wrote: »

I suppose when you compare her to a Sloth.

Give over. I understand why she rubs people up the wrong way but shes an intelligent woman.

Doctor Jimbob · 07-02-2020 5:22pm

notobtuse wrote: »

I see you don't get humor. We like to keep her in the news because her power represents the stupidity of what the future of the democrat party is becoming, and it's always good politically to put their foolishness on display.

Indeed.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/12/23/president-trump-lashes-out-an-old-enemy-windmills/

FreeThePants · 07-02-2020 5:24pm

notobtuse wrote: »

I see you don't get humor. We like to keep her in the news because her power represents the stupidity of what the future of the democrat party is becoming, and it's always good politically to put their foolishness on display.

I'd be careful what you wish for if that's your goal, that is exactly how trump got elected in 2016.

FreeThePants · 07-02-2020 5:26pm

Boggles wrote: »

Huh?

It's that time of the day where the signal their virtues and loyalty to each other.

notobtuse · 07-02-2020 5:27pm

Boggles wrote: »

So you would be happy enough if your 2 young daughters received the same level of vitriol in their political careers?

Would it just be bantz if they were called stupid and had creepy photos published of them mocking them?

That would be fair game right?

My oldest daughter is a politician. (The other will be in the future and she's smart and a fighter you wouldn't want to tangle with). And like AOC the oldest is a rising political star, albeit on a local/county level at the moment. You wouldn’t believe the vitriol she receives, even there. It goes with the territory. I’m proud she rises above it and continues to do the best she can for her constituents. She recently was involved in bringing not one, but two hospitals to her city, that are currently under construction. Her efforts haven’t gone unnoticed and the GOP is trying to convince her to run for County Commissioner. They feel it is the proper step to achieve a position in the state Congress, and then eventually US Congress. I know the vitriol she will receive will only intensify as she rises. But I also know she will handle it with grace, and without looking stupid in the process.

In full disclosure I must admit my youngest (attending the most politically active university in Washington, DC) is trying to intern for AOC. Where have I failed?

Boggles · 07-02-2020 5:30pm

notobtuse wrote: »

My oldest daughter is a politician. (The other will be in the future and she's smart and a fighter you wouldn't want to tangle with). And like AOC the oldest is a rising political star, albeit on a local/county level at the moment. You wouldn’t believe the vitriol she receives, even there. It goes with the territory. I’m proud she rises above it and continues to do the best she can for her constituents. She recently was involved in bringing not one, but two hospitals to her city, that are currently under construction. Her efforts haven’t gone unnoticed and the GOP is trying to convince her to run for County Commissioner. They feel it is the proper step to achieve a position in the state Congress, and then eventually US Congress. I know the vitriol she will receive will only intensify as she rises. But I also know she will handle it with grace, and without looking stupid in the process.

I asked you a simple question, I didn't ask for a reference, I'll try again.

So if rival politicians or commentators were to mock either of you daughters with creepy stalker photos or just down right insults on a world level.

You'd be fine with, it's just a bit of banter?

Fair game, right?

kilns · 07-02-2020 5:31pm

notobtuse wrote: »

My oldest daughter is a politician. (The other will be in the future and she's smart and a fighter you wouldn't want to tangle with). And like AOC the oldest is a rising political star, albeit on a local/county level at the moment. You wouldn’t believe the vitriol she receives, even there. It goes with the territory. I’m proud she rises above it and continues to do the best she can for her constituents. She recently was involved in bringing not one, but two hospitals to her city, that are currently under construction. Her efforts haven’t gone unnoticed and the GOP is trying to convince her to run for County Commissioner. They feel it is the proper step to achieve a position in the state Congress, and then eventually US Congress. I know the vitriol she will receive will only intensify as she rises. But I also know she will handle it with grace, and without looking stupid in the process.

So she would be proud of her father abusing and calling AOC stupid etc?

notobtuse · 07-02-2020 5:34pm

FreeThePants wrote: »

I'd be careful what you wish for if that's your goal, that is exactly how trump got elected in 2016.

LOL. You may have a point there.

notobtuse · 07-02-2020 5:36pm

kilns wrote: »

So she would be proud of her father abusing and calling AOC stupid etc?

She's heard me condemning AOC many times. She can give as well as she gets.

notobtuse · 07-02-2020 5:37pm

Boggles wrote: »

I asked you a simple question, I didn't ask for a reference, I'll try again.

So if rival politicians or commentators were to mock either of you daughters with creepy stalker photos or just down right insults on a world level.

You'd be fine with, it's just a bit of banter?

Fair game, right?

Sure. It's politics.

kilns · 07-02-2020 5:38pm

notobtuse wrote: »

She's heard me condemning AOC many times. She can give as well as she gets.[/QUOTE

Condemning or abusing/calling names a big difference

kilns · 07-02-2020 5:40pm

notobtuse wrote: »

Sure. It's politics.

Wow if you believe that, that is really pathetic, there is no place for that kind of stuff in any walk of life

notobtuse · 07-02-2020 5:40pm

kilns wrote: »

Condemning or abusing/calling names a big difference

It's how my daughter learned what the term eejit means.

notobtuse · 07-02-2020 5:42pm

kilns wrote: »

Wow if you believe that, that is really pathetic, there is no place for that kind of stuff in any walk of life

Everyone has an opinion, just like everyone has an ass....

kilns · 07-02-2020 5:42pm

notobtuse wrote: »

kilns wrote: »

It's how my daughter learned what the term eejit means.

Hopefully as a future member of congress for the Republicans she has better morals than her father and those currently there

kilns · 07-02-2020 5:43pm

notobtuse wrote: »

Everyone has an opinion, just like everyone has an ass....

I am not going to even entertain you anymore. Pathetic

No wonder America has fallen so far with people like you and that attitude

You probably call attempts on politicians lives fair game too

Boggles · 07-02-2020 5:49pm

notobtuse wrote: »

Sure. It's politics.

Taking creepy pictures of a young lady and mocking them is not politics.

You'd want to be one low grade individual to be okay with that.

Especially one who has daughters who aspires to follow the same path.

Even for you that is a low point lad.

Personally I wish them well and hope none of the creepy vitriol AOC has had to put with at a world stage level happens either of your daughters if they manage to reach those heights.

But alas that's where a fairly large segment of Americans are at the moment.

I think it was Michael Moore who said Trump was a manifestation of the Last Stand of the Angry White Man.

How true.

President Donald Trump - Formal Impeachment Inquiry Announced

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