Decriminisation of personal use of illegal drugs.

political analyst · 17-05-2018 1:43am #1

The following article was published on 11 November 2015.

https://www.herald.ie/news/decriminalisation-of-drug-use-a-solo-run-by-labour-says-fg-34188881.htmlhttps://www.herald.ie/news/decriminalisation-of-drug-use-a-solo-run-by-labour-says-fg-34188881.html

Senior Fine Gael figures have warned that the Labour Party proposals for a new decriminalisation policy are "at odds" with the Garda intelligence recently provided to the Department of Justice in relation to the drugs trade.
Gardai have expressed deep concern over the level of potency currently attached to both ecstasy and cannabis - two of the most widely used drugs on the market.
Senior Fine Gael figures have warned that the Labour Party proposals for a new decriminalisation policy are "at odds" with the Garda intelligence recently provided to the Department of Justice in relation to the drugs trade.
Gardai have expressed deep concern over the level of potency currently attached to both ecstasy and cannabis - two of the most widely used drugs on the market.

Whatever about what Fine Gael people think of the idea of decriminalising possession of illegal drugs in cases where the amount is small enough for personal use, I wonder why the Gardaí are opposed to the Labour idea. After all, I thought the Gardaí would be delighted not to have to arrest young people who they catch being in possession of small amounts of illegal drugs for personal use so that the Gardaí can focus on bringing dangerous criminals to justice.

FishOnABike · 17-05-2018 2:32am

To be sure, to be sure.

pleas advice · 17-05-2018 2:36am

Don't double drop

kneemos · 17-05-2018 2:53am

The monthly legalise drugs thread,or is it big monthly now?

Larbre34 · 17-05-2018 2:58am

political analyst wrote: »

The following article was published on 11 November 2015.

https://www.herald.ie/news/decriminalisation-of-drug-use-a-solo-run-by-labour-says-fg-34188881.htmlhttps://www.herald.ie/news/decriminalisation-of-drug-use-a-solo-run-by-labour-says-fg-34188881.html

Whatever about what Fine Gael people think of the idea of decriminalising possession of illegal drugs in cases where the amount is small enough for personal use, I wonder why the Gardaí are opposed to the Labour idea. After all, I thought the Gardaí would be delighted not to have to arrest young people who they catch being in possession of small amounts of illegal drugs for personal use so that the Gardaí can focus on bringing dangerous criminals to justice.

You do know those tens of thousands of small deals for "personal use" come directly or indirectly from the most dangerous of criminals and underpin every aspect of organised crime in Ireland and Europe?

Boll0x to decriminalisation. Possession should be a 3 strike custodial scale. Boll0x to soft-touch and boll0x to rehabilitation. The easiest way to destroy a weed is by the roots.

17-05-2018 5:36am

Larbre34 wrote: »

You do know those tens of thousands of small deals for "personal use" come directly or indirectly from the most dangerous of criminals and underpin every aspect of organised crime in Ireland and Europe?

Boll0x to decriminalisation. Possession should be a 3 strike custodial scale. Boll0x to soft-touch and boll0x to rehabilitation. The easiest way to destroy a weed is by the roots.

I'll take "Retarded notions about how society works" for $500, Alex.

OldMrBrennan83 · 17-05-2018 5:55am

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Subcomandante Marcos · 17-05-2018 6:02am

Larbre34 wrote: »

You do know those tens of thousands of small deals for "personal use" come directly or indirectly from the most dangerous of criminals and underpin every aspect of organised crime in Ireland and Europe?

Boll0x to decriminalisation. Possession should be a 3 strike custodial scale. Boll0x to soft-touch and boll0x to rehabilitation. The easiest way to destroy a weed is by the roots.

Yeah, right on, burn the hippies at the steak!

I can't think of a single time that prohibition and targeting users has ever failed!

AndyBoBandy · 17-05-2018 6:15am

Larbre34 wrote: »

You do know those tens of thousands of small deals for "personal use" come directly or indirectly from the most dangerous of criminals and underpin every aspect of organised crime in Ireland and Europe?

What if you grow it yourself?
It’s relatively easy to do.

_Brian · 17-05-2018 6:17am

Larbre34 wrote: »

You do know those tens of thousands of small deals for "personal use" come directly or indirectly from the most dangerous of criminals and underpin every aspect of organised crime in Ireland and Europe?

Boll0x to decriminalisation. Possession should be a 3 strike custodial scale. Boll0x to soft-touch and boll0x to rehabilitation. The easiest way to destroy a weed is by the roots.

Exactly this.
Because it’s difficult and time consuming to police something doesn’t mean we make it legal. I would totally support the 3 strikes policy

17-05-2018 6:21am

_Brian wrote: »

Exactly this.
Because it’s difficult and time consuming to police something doesn’t mean we make it legal. I would totally support the 3 strikes policy

What are looking to achieve by doing that?

AndyBoBandy · 17-05-2018 6:25am

_Brian wrote: »

Exactly this.
Because it’s difficult and time consuming to police something doesn’t mean we make it legal. I would totally support the 3 strikes policy

Where should we start build the mega 10,000 capacity prisons to house all these criminals?

I’d say we’d need at least 3-4 built by year 1 anyway, 10 by year 2 and so on

Subcomandante Marcos · 17-05-2018 6:28am

Deleted User wrote: »

What are looking to achieve by doing that?

A prison population comparable to the US and China is about the only outcome I can see from this.
It's total idiocy.

Subcomandante Marcos · 17-05-2018 6:31am

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Where should we start build the mega 10,000 capacity prisons to house all these criminals?

I’d say we’d need at least 3-4 built by year 1 anyway, 10 by year 2 and so on

Shur look, it would generate wealth.
We could privitise them and then make contracts with each county for the running of the prisons based on capacity. So if a prison holds up to 10000 people we pay the company who runs it for 10000 prisoners regardless of how many are in there and incentivise the Gardai to keep them full so it doesn't look like a waste of money!

This model can't fail to produce better outcomes for society!

Del2005 · 17-05-2018 6:34am

Larbre34 wrote: »

You do know those tens of thousands of small deals for "personal use" come directly or indirectly from the most dangerous of criminals and underpin every aspect of organised crime in Ireland and Europe?

Boll0x to decriminalisation. Possession should be a 3 strike custodial scale. Boll0x to soft-touch and boll0x to rehabilitation. The easiest way to destroy a weed is by the roots.

The war on drugs has done way more harm than any drug can. Look at the state of Mexico and the other central American countries, then travel over to the Afghanistan, then go the USA where they have more people in prison than any other country. Now come back and tell me why we are killing thousands of people every year for the last several decades with no win for the "good" guys trying to ban some drugs, and the "good" guys placing hundreds of thousands of people into prison for small amounts.

Do you think that thousands of deaths annually is OK in a fight that can never be won?

Then try Spain and see how their process is working.

Subcomandante Marcos · 17-05-2018 6:35am

Del2005 wrote: »

The war on drugs has done way more harm than any drug can. Look at the state of Mexico and the other central American countries, then travel over to the Afghanistan, then go the USA where they have more people in prison than any other country*. Now come back and tell me why we are killing thousands of people every year for the last several decades with no win for the "good" guys trying to ban some drugs, and the "good" guys placing hundreds of thousands of people into prison for small amounts.

Do you think that thousands of deaths annually is OK in a fight that can never be won?

Then try Spain and see how their process is working.

*percapita.

The Bishop Basher · 17-05-2018 6:56am

Larbre34 wrote: »

You do know those tens of thousands of small deals for "personal use" come directly or indirectly from the most dangerous of criminals and underpin every aspect of organised crime in Ireland and Europe?

What about all those deals that are harmlessly grown in people’s attics and bedrooms all over the country. It’s literally just a weed. You can grow it anywhere. Stop talking bollix.

Larbre34 wrote: »

Boll0x to decriminalisation. Possession should be a 3 strike custodial scale. Boll0x to soft-touch and boll0x to rehabilitation. The easiest way to destroy a weed is by the roots.

Only one problem with your “suggestion”. It’s been an abject failure not just here but across the globe lwhile wastng billions and destroying lives.

You will never destroy weed through prohibition. Never.

Just wondering, do you drink alcohol ?

Desktopper · 17-05-2018 7:09am

Patww79 wrote: »

Should be focusing on crushing anyone caught using and not even contemplating letting them off.

Dissolve them in acid

kuntboy · 17-05-2018 7:10am

Larbre34 wrote: »

political analyst wrote: »

The following article was published on 11 November 2015.

https://www.herald.ie/news/decriminalisation-of-drug-use-a-solo-run-by-labour-says-fg-34188881.htmlhttps://www.herald.ie/news/decriminalisation-of-drug-use-a-solo-run-by-labour-says-fg-34188881.html

Whatever about what Fine Gael people think of the idea of decriminalising possession of illegal drugs in cases where the amount is small enough for personal use, I wonder why the Gardaí are opposed to the Labour idea. After all, I thought the Gardaí would be delighted not to have to arrest young people who they catch being in possession of small amounts of illegal drugs for personal use so that the Gardaí can focus on bringing dangerous criminals to justice.

You do know those tens of thousands of small deals for "personal use" come directly or indirectly from the most dangerous of criminals and underpin every aspect of organised crime in Ireland and Europe?

Boll0x to decriminalisation. Possession should be a 3 strike custodial scale. Boll0x to soft-touch and boll0x to rehabilitation. The easiest way to destroy a weed is by the roots.

People want to get high to escape this mundane plane of existence. They always have and always will. What fockin business of yours is it what they choose to put in their own bodies?

The Bishop Basher · 17-05-2018 7:10am

_Brian wrote: »

Exactly this.
Because it’s difficult and time consuming to police something doesn’t mean we make it legal

No but the fact that it’s been a total failure should give us reason to rethink. Some of the more progresssive countries already have and their policies are working.

We like to call ourselves progressive so lets demonstrate that through removing this ridiculously expensive and failed “war on drugs”.

We could wipe out the cash flow for criminal gangs with the strike of a pen if we wanted to.

Makes you wonder why we don’t.

_Brian · 17-05-2018 7:21am

We can pretend all we want that individual use has no negative side.

However if we regularise personal use tuere will be a further explosion in criminal activity to supply this need.

These are hard line criminals were encouraging into the jurisdiction to conduct their business. Remember these are the supply routes for all illegal drugs.

The next call will to legalise supply routes, then where are we going as a nation as we will just become a complete ****hole third world country and we will need to continually lower our standards to satisfy the pro drug lobbyists.

Desktopper · 17-05-2018 7:22am

Swanner wrote: »

No but the fact that it’s been a total failure should give us reason to rethink. Some of the more progresssive countries already have and their policies are working.

We like to call ourselves progressive so lets demonstrate that through removing this ridiculously expensive and failed “war on drugs”.

We could wipe out the cash flow for criminal gangs with the strike of a pen if we wanted to.

Makes you wonder why we don’t.

I agree the politicians instinct is to declare war

An obvious problem with legalizing hard drugs is that the state has then to oversee the production of previously illegal narcotics and is responsible for the welfare of the addicts it supplies and the new addicts that come on stream.

Any gaps in the market left by the state will continue to be met by traffickers

AndyBoBandy · 17-05-2018 7:22am

Swanner wrote: »

Some of the more progresssive countries already have and their policies are working.

And even America, which was a big shock, but look at the positives already being reported. Massive bumps to state taxes which is all being pumped back into healthcare, massive workload being taken off the police forces, allowing them to focus more of their efforts on crimes with victims etc..

Desktopper · 17-05-2018 7:24am

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

And even America, which was a big shock, but look at the positives already being reported. Massive bumps to state taxes which is all being pumped back into healthcare, massive workload being taken off the police forces, allowing them to focus more of their efforts on crimes with victims etc..

Ya but that's only cannabis and it's all good so far

What happens when it comes to the hard stuff,that's where it gets trickier

Subcomandante Marcos · 17-05-2018 7:25am

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

And even America, which was a big shock, but look at the positives already being reported. Massive bumps to state taxes which is all being pumped back into healthcare, massive workload being taken off the police forces, allowing them to focus more of their efforts on crimes with victims etc..

And massive saving in the cost of prosecuting crimes, imprisoning offenders, and policing parolees.

AndyBoBandy · 17-05-2018 7:29am

_Brian wrote: »

However if we regularise personal use tuere will be a further explosion in criminal activity to supply this need.

Or the government could issue out strictly controlled & monitored licences to produce the stuff, where by it will be produced a lot cheaper than the illegally imported stuff could ever be produced/imported for.

The 2 most harmful drugs on the planet are Nicotine & Alcohol. How much revenue does the state receive from these killer drugs? And why aren’t they banned yet?

Tigger · 17-05-2018 7:44am

Desktopper wrote: »

Ya but that's only cannabis and it's all good so far

What happens when it comes to the hard stuff,that's where it gets trickier

You think cannabis is a gateway legislation ?

The Bishop Basher · 17-05-2018 8:46am

_Brian wrote: »

We can pretend all we want that individual use has no negative side.

Do you drink alcohol ?

Beta Ray Bill · 17-05-2018 8:46am

They only way to tackle drug issues in Ireland is to eliminate demand.

So long as there is demand, there will always be someone will to take the risk to supply.

"Personal Use" or not, there should be a mandatory prison sentence for being caught with drugs (week or two). And hopefully people will learn not to be thick as bricks.

We have a legal drug in this country called alcohol, they can just use that.
That being said this country has a huge problem with this "Legal drug", legalising other drugs for personal use will make things work

The Bishop Basher · 17-05-2018 9:02am

grahambo wrote: »

They only way to tackle drug issues in Ireland is to eliminate demand.

So what are you proposing. We just eliminate people like in the Philippines

grahambo wrote: »

We have a legal drug in this country called alcohol, they can just use that.

That has to be by far the most moronic statement I have ever read in any debate on this issue, ever.

Larbre34 · 17-05-2018 9:30am

kuntboy wrote: »

People want to get high to escape this mundane plane of existence. They always have and always will. What fockin business of yours is it what they choose to put in their own bodies?

When they burgle my elderly aunts house and mug my young male cousin with a blade to feed their habits, it makes it my "fockin" business. And i dont give a shyte what drug it was they were trying to get from those robberies, hash featured somewhere on their CV

Decriminisation of personal use of illegal drugs.

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