Spar IFSC: Female Sandwich Makers Needed. Sausages need not apply.

sopretty wrote: »

Well, at the very least, I'd imagine the idiot responsible for the sign should be fired.

Not sure about that either......people make mistakes you know...we are talking about a spar not a multi-national with trained HR and legal people etc

Men pick their noses as the make sandwiches and spit into them, fact.

kneemos wrote: »

I would have said female.

Maybe it's the first signs of being old-fashioned creeping in

I would have always considered "female" (or "male") to be a word of objectification, one which removes humanity from the context and is therefore more offensive a word to use than "woman" and "man" (or "girl" and "boy") because it's intentionally demeaning.

That's a subtlety of language which can easily be lost in translation. I've used it myself in a sarcastic manner, but I'd never use it in this kind of context.

Maybe language has moved on, and left me behind...

All Hail President Murphy wrote: »

So it's OK to impose gender quotas for females ?? So all jobs (esp the good ones) must have at least 30 % females... but no such quotas exist for males. If a job had 100% females and no men at all, then it's not sexist. Have a company with 100% men and no women and it is sexist.

Well, when the case ever arises where men are chronically under-represented in all aspects of economic and political power as well as being over-represented in low-paid casual work; then you might have a point.

What's sexist about this is the suggestion that a man should be denied the opportunity to work in a sandwich bar but also the suggestion that low-paid food-related work is a job fit only for women.

sopretty wrote: »

What possible motivation would they have for wanting women only though? Maybe men take up too much space behind the counter or something?

I suspect if you did a survey you'd find that most people are more comfortable with women preparing their fresh food for eating than men, probably because of the impression that women are cleaner than men. If you had the option of having your sandwich done by a little blond Swedish girl or a big bearded Polish man, who would you choose?

Shops know this and tend to prefer women for these positions over men, even if they (usually) don't say it.

FTA69 wrote: »

Which is b*llocks considering most chefs in professional kitchens are men and they all have to be trained in concepts of neatness in work and food hygiene.

Aha. And most butchers are men, and probably most bakers too.

But when it comes to making something in front of you that's not cooked and is to be eaten immediately, most people for whatever reason subconsciously favour women.

Maybe there's something Freudian in it about how generally mothers are the ones who put the food in front of us on the table.

In fairness to spar it is a franchise and while they have responsibility for shops using their brand it isn't like this is spar policy it is just a feckin eejit of an owner or manager. Be great for some male to go in a apply for it and see what they say to him.

I managed stores like that one for 20 years and I have to say, like it or not women are better in the deli than men (its a lot more than just makeing sandwich/rolls, hygiene and food safety regulations are 70% of the job), 99% of men I seen working in the deli hated it. Still a stupid f@ucking error on the manager to put a sign like that up.

All Hail President Murphy wrote: »

Why are there so few male primary teachers and child minders .. because they are not interested in it as much as females.

Same applied for politics.

This means that the very few women who DO apply to politics will be guaranteed a job so as to satisfy the quotas.

There is also a stigma about men around kids.......

The law profession is majority female although the people that run it are generally men because they are considerably older and now a lot of them can't retire after bad investments in the boom.