Limerick GAA Discussion Part 2

big_drive · 19-11-2019 3:12pm

I suppose Limerick GAA are correct in coming out and making a statement. Then at least the facts are there as opposed to the stories growing arms and legs.

bigdaddymac · 19-11-2019 3:28pm

Is this a once off or has there been some flash incidents of players letting their colleagues down in the last year?

Hopefully not poor discipline outside the is a sneak peak that all is not what it seems. Countless examples in the GAA at inter county level. Tipp hurlers, Roscommon footballers at the beginning of the millenium are two that come to mind.

Powerhouse · 19-11-2019 4:18pm

washman3 wrote: »

Yet some misguided 'fans' blame an umpire for our loss to the Cats some months back.

Just because someone got a slap in the mouth in New York four months on does not mean that it was okay for an umpire to made a fairly basic error in an important game.

Pogue eile · 19-11-2019 4:47pm

Powerhouse wrote: »

Just because someone got a slap in the mouth in New York four months on does not mean that it was okay for an umpire to made a fairly basic error in an important game.

Without wanting to rake up old wounds it was surely the linesman who was more culpable in the incident being referred to.

Of course the obvious point is that neither the umpire nor the linesman allowed Kilkenny race into a 9 point lead after 15 mins nor were either responsible for the number of wides Limerick hit. Limerick were the benificaries of a number of incorrect call as well but no mention of those?

Powerhouse · 19-11-2019 4:53pm

Pogue eile wrote: »

Without wanting to rake up old wounds it was surely the linesman who was more culpable in the incident being referred to.

Of course the obvious point is that neither the umpire nor the linesman allowed Kilkenny race into a 9 point lead after 15 mins nor were either responsible for the number of wides Limerick hit. Limerick were the benificaries of a number of incorrect call as well but no mention of those?

No need to rake up old wounds at all. There's enough new ones to be going on with. The poster tried to link an incident in New York in November to the result of a hurling match in July which makes no sense.

PhilOssophy · 19-11-2019 6:47pm

Who is in the white corner? He won

High bike · 19-11-2019 7:17pm

Lawson Tight Commando wrote: »

I don't think every other county has:

1. Players being handed "change" in a pub. Definitely not anything else, nope.
2. Players fighting on the streets of New York.
3. Players and officials being interviewed and phones being examined with relation to a corruption case.

And that's only the stuff you know about..

thats where your wrong every county has problems from time to time sometimes they manage to keep it in house and deal with it and sometimes they don’t .Theres plenty examples over the years,so it’s not just a Limerick problem as you seem to be implying

kaizersoze · 19-11-2019 8:45pm

High bike wrote: »

thats where your wrong every county has problems from time to time sometimes they manage to keep it in house and deal with it and sometimes they don’t .Theres plenty examples over the years,so it’s not just a Limerick problem as you seem to be implying

That's probably true but it takes a special kind of dimwit to record it, then broadcast it...you know, just in case some body doesn't hear about.
Not the first time video evidence lt the Limerick lads down.

Mantis Toboggan · 19-11-2019 9:35pm

Was there anymore on the corruption case involving the players and the gardai?

billyhead · 19-11-2019 9:57pm

Will these 2 lads be booted off the 2020 panel? It would be a blow to the teams aspirations if one of the players is who I heard it is?

giveitholly · 19-11-2019 10:01pm

billyhead wrote: »

Will these 2 lads be booted off the 2020 panel? It would be a blow to the teams aspirations if one of the players is who I heard it is?

If it was just the panel member then surely he could be made an example of and booted off for next year but they can't do that with their marquee forward

Billy Ocean · 19-11-2019 10:28pm

giveitholly wrote: »

If it was just the panel member then surely he could be made an example of and booted off for next year but they can't do that with their marquee forward

Don't like his onfield antics of goading and shouting in defender's faces so have no sympathy for him.

He also choose to not diffuse the situation and instead record it and subsequently but it in a whats app group which is braindead.

giveitholly · 19-11-2019 10:45pm

Billy Ocean wrote: »

Don't like his onfield antics of goading and shouting in defender's faces so have no sympathy for him.

He also choose to not diffuse the situation and instead record it and subsequently but it in a whats app group which is braindead.

Oh I agree with you,what a ****ty thing to do to a friend,film it and send it into the public domain instead of diffusing the situation and pulling his friend away from the fracas

19-11-2019 10:52pm

washman3 wrote: »

Meanwhile back in Ireland, on his 32nd Birthday TJ Reid scores an incredible 2-14 for his club as he aims to win a 6th Leinster club medal to add to his 4 AI club and 7 Kilkenny senior titles plus 4 U21 titles.
He has also amassed 7 A.I. senior medals,8 Leinster, 4 Leagues and 4 All-Stars coupled with a Player of the Year.
He has also pickup up a few college,Fitzgibon and Railway Cup medals along the way.
I doubt very much if he would celebrate a 'super left hooks' outside a pub in New York in the early hours.
Yet some misguided 'fans' blame an umpire for our loss to the Cats some months back.

Wouldn't be so sure. In Jackie Tyrell's book there's a few dodgy stories (Tyrell stole a taxi in Cork for a prank/serious drinking sessions throughout the season etc).

All counties have these stories, still reckon Gillane is as bad for releasing the footage. A guy who would do that would do anything.

Mantis Toboggan · 19-11-2019 11:09pm

Gillane will be back in no doubt about it. The other guy not so much, he's the Richard Keogh of limerick and will be given the chop.

seligehgit · 19-11-2019 11:13pm

fire_man wrote: »

Ye have a great bunch of lads representing Limerick.Disgrace.

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washman3 · 20-11-2019 1:38am

Powerhouse wrote: »

Just because someone got a slap in the mouth in New York four months on does not mean that it was okay for an umpire to made a fairly basic error in an important game.

Point out where i said it was.!!

Powerhouse · 20-11-2019 11:23am

washman3 wrote: »

Point out where i said it was.!!

Yeah, no problem - here's what you wrote. The bit in bold is the part where you seem to think what happened in July was proper karma, nothing less than Limeirck deserved.

Meanwhile back in Ireland, on his 32nd Birthday TJ Reid scores an incredible 2-14 for his club as he aims to win a 6th Leinster club medal to add to his 4 AI club and 7 Kilkenny senior titles plus 4 U21 titles.
He has also amassed 7 A.I. senior medals,8 Leinster, 4 Leagues and 4 All-Stars coupled with a Player of the Year.
He has also pickup up a few college,Fitzgibon and Railway Cup medals along the way.
I doubt very much if he would celebrate a 'super left hooks' outside a pub in New York in the early hours.
Yet some misguided 'fans' blame an umpire for our loss to the Cats some months back.

paddy no 11 · 20-11-2019 1:24pm

Powerhouse wrote: »

Yeah, no problem - here's what you wrote. The bit in bold is the part where you seem to think what happened in July was proper karma, nothing less than Limeirck deserved.

Meanwhile back in Ireland, on his 32nd Birthday TJ Reid scores an incredible 2-14 for his club as he aims to win a 6th Leinster club medal to add to his 4 AI club and 7 Kilkenny senior titles plus 4 U21 titles.
He has also amassed 7 A.I. senior medals,8 Leinster, 4 Leagues and 4 All-Stars coupled with a Player of the Year.
He has also pickup up a few college,Fitzgibon and Railway Cup medals along the way.
I doubt very much if he would celebrate a 'super left hooks' outside a pub in New York in the early hours.
Yet some misguided 'fans' blame an umpire for our loss to the Cats some months back.

No he's calling to question attitude which I agree was the reason we lost that game

paddy no 11 · 20-11-2019 2:20pm

The Garda situation and involvement with the team post revelations are far more concerning, hardly a surprise that we then see this type of behaviour subsequently - I'm over Ryan, Gillane is an idiot, but whoever decided yer man could still be involved with the team post revelations needs to take full blame here

Taking players off on a holiday mid club finals was ridiculous also

(The sanctimonious shoight from other counties.....spare us.........if tipps full list of indiscrestions was put up it would be front page on every paper)

washman3 · 20-11-2019 2:33pm

paddy no 11 wrote: »

No he's calling to question attitude which I agree was the reason we lost that game

Exactly. unfortunately Powerhouse reads it differently.
I was merely pointing out what a Limerick squad player should aspire to, ie becoming a TJ Reid (some tough task) rather than acting like a thug on a New York sidewalk after midnight. TJ is 32 now and could easily walked away 2/3 years ago with an unblemished career. Yet he chose to drive on and push the boat out even further. Look how he has performed since the exodus of Shefflin,Power Larkin etc.
Our 'boxer' was an unused sup for most of the 2018 AI winning campaign, just as he was in this years campaign. Is he happy to be number 25 on the panel for the rest of his career and be present for the craic and the free holidays.?
He's not alone in this aspect either BTW.
I was as disappointed as anyone with our loss to the Cats in July,having proudly followed the boys in Green all my life but people slating officials for it annoys me. Granted they did make a very bad call at the end, but it was in the first 20 mins of the game where we could'nt match their attitude and intensity that cost us.
Players on the periphery need to do what it takes to make the step-up.
They must be breathing down the necks of the first 15 and show an attitude and desire to be picked. Just look at Dowling's attitude anytime he came on the pitch this year and last. He's clearly not there to make up the numbers and has stated it at times.

Grats · 20-11-2019 5:03pm

washman3, a lot of truth in what you posted. Regarding the Limerick v Kilkenny match - had Kilkenny lost I'm sure the officials would have been blamed too. The penalty award was suspect and how so many officials couldn't see Gillane stepping inside the line before striking the ball is beyond me. Whatever about the lineball requiring video evidence, the penalty issues certainly doesn't, if officials were competent . Similarly, Joey Holden was clearly fouled twice in the build up to the lineball incident and again the officials were found wanting.

On the indiscipline issue - every county encounters similar issues. It's how such things are dealt with is what matters. And hopefully the players, all of them, learn from it. John Kiely has to be strong.

Mehapoy · 20-11-2019 11:27pm

Grats wrote: »

washman3, a lot of truth in what you posted. Regarding the Limerick v Kilkenny match - had Kilkenny lost I'm sure the officials would have been blamed too. The penalty award was suspect and how so many officials couldn't see Gillane stepping inside the line before striking the ball is beyond me. Whatever about the lineball requiring video evidence, the penalty issues certainly doesn't, if officials were competent . Similarly, Joey Holden was clearly fouled twice in the build up to the lineball incident and again the officials were found wanting.

On the indiscipline issue - every county encounters similar issues. It's how such things are dealt with is what matters. And hopefully the players, all of them, learn from it. John Kiely has to be strong.

Very different situations, those two incidents you highlighted are matters of opinion while its an undeliable fact that the ball went off a kilkenny hurley and out for a 65.

Anyway thats water under the bridge, there will have to a reset of the panel or we'll end up with a Clare 2014-17 situation, the holiday sent all the wrong messages that these lads are above every other hurler in the county. If a few high profile players have to spend a year outside the panel then so be it, or else we'll be back to the bad old days of players running the show and acting the maggot with impunity.

Powerhouse · 21-11-2019 1:15am

paddy no 11 wrote: »

No he's calling to question attitude which I agree was the reason we lost that game

I can't comment on Limerick's attitude to be honest. They had the upper hand for a lot of that game so it didn't seem too bad to me. But I wasn't in their dressing room so don't know. It's easy but lazy to retrospectively attribute a certain attitude to them now which fits nicely into the narrative that they are basically scumbags and Kilkenny are far morally superior especially "TJ".

I take the more immediately obvious view that Limerick were victims of a bad call. You can be assured that if the boot was on the other foot Kilkenny would have no doubt about the difference between the teams.

PhilOssophy · 21-11-2019 1:10pm

So what's going to happen, are Limerick going to let their marquee forward off the hook and throw the book at the 2 subs like Derby did with Richard Keogh?

diusmr8a504cvk · 21-11-2019 2:16pm

Word breaking of another hurler being involved in a fight a few weeks ago....

giveitholly · 21-11-2019 2:42pm

Lawson Tight Commando wrote: »

Word breaking of another hurler being involved in a fight a few weeks ago....

Would that be another key forward?

One_More_Mile · 21-11-2019 2:47pm

giveitholly wrote: »

Would that be another key forward?

If there isn't footage of it , it didn't happen.
Let's not make the mistake of branding the whole team as uncontrollable maniacs just because of one incident & hearsay.

paddyirish23 · 21-11-2019 2:50pm

Doesn't sound like that's the only thing going on in the camp, I've heard they cancelled the awards night on Friday over that and now a further incident outside the icon night club recently ðŸ˜®
And so the drama continues...

paddyirish23 · 21-11-2019 2:53pm

One_More_Mile wrote: »

If there isn't footage of it , it didn't happen.
Let's not make the mistake of branding the whole team as uncontrollable maniacs just because of one incident & hearsay.

Pub across the road seemingly didn't delete or lose footage and gave it into the guards.

One_More_Mile · 21-11-2019 2:56pm

paddyirish23 wrote: »

Pub across the road seemingly didn't delete or lose footage and gave it into the guards.

Then we can hear about it in the courts. Otherwise it didn't happen

Walter.White · 21-11-2019 3:04pm

To try and change the topic, is there any players people think will be drafted into the panel for the league ? Or any players they'd like to see drafted in?

paddyirish23 · 21-11-2019 3:06pm

Walter.White wrote: »

To try and change the topic, is there any players people think will be drafted into the panel for the league ? Or any players they'd like to see drafted in?

I'd love to see Boylan get more championship games this yr, thought he had a great league last year.

Walter.White · 21-11-2019 3:19pm

paddyirish23 wrote: »

I'd love to see Boylan get more championship games this yr, thought he had a great league last year.

Yeah he had a very good league, I know he's younger brother got injured last year when he was on the panel for the league, anyone know if he's back from injury ? Looked a good prospect for corner back. I thought Kevin O Brien was impressive throughout the club championship along with Considine.

paddy no 11 · 21-11-2019 3:39pm

Kevin Palmer at FF? And Paudie leahy at midfield could be vacancies in those 2 lines given recent events

boggerman1 · 21-11-2019 6:16pm

paddyirish23 wrote: »

Doesn't sound like that's the only thing going on in the camp, I've heard they cancelled the awards night on Friday over that and now a further incident outside the icon night club recently ðŸ˜®
And so the drama continues...

Pictures doing the rounds in Tipp today of the face of the alleged victim.wonder will a video of a limerick panel member burning a Tipp jersey surface too.but hey their great lads since they didn't take Liam McCarthy to pubs.thank god they didn't.

Walter.White · 21-11-2019 6:59pm

boggerman1 wrote: »

Pictures doing the rounds in Tipp today of the face of the alleged victim.wonder will a video of a limerick panel member burning a Tipp jersey surface too.but hey their great lads since they didn't take Liam McCarthy to pubs.thank god they didn't.

That member has already been kicked off the panel.

21-11-2019 7:43pm

One_More_Mile wrote: »

Then we can hear about it in the courts. Otherwise it didn't happen

Pretty much, if it had happened as described it would have come before the District Court by now. An astonishing amount of people are willing to tarnish young lads reputations with zero proof.

Banner2theend · 21-11-2019 7:59pm

https://limerickgaa.ie/paul-browne-announces-inter-county-retirement/

Mantis Toboggan · 21-11-2019 8:47pm

Ewan mckenna is tweeting about it now. Big decisions for John Kiely going into next year. Will be interesting to see what comes out of the CAB investigation.

paddy no 11 · 21-11-2019 8:51pm

Good luck to Paul browne, glad he picked up an all Ireland shame for him personally that he was injured for most of 2018

ArielAtom · 21-11-2019 10:01pm

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Ewan mckenna is tweeting about it now. Big decisions for John Kiely going into next year. Will be interesting to see what comes out of the CAB investigation.

Ewan MacKenna is a **** stirrer of the highest order. Everything he pens is negative. Give him a wide berth.

easypazz · 21-11-2019 10:45pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Pretty much, if it had happened as describe it would have come before the District Court by now. An astonishing amount of people are willing to tarnish young lads reputations with zero proof.

The wheels of justice often move slowly. Dont assume this one is over.

BloodyBill · 22-11-2019 12:01am

Mr Kiely will be some man to turn this show around.
Kiely needs to drop all the lads in trouble.. Ryan ,Murphy and Gillane,Hayes. Limerick hurling is bigger than those

Powerhouse · 22-11-2019 12:19am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

An astonishing amount of people are willing to tarnish young lads reputations with zero proof.

Nothing new there. The amount of stuff that was made up about some Tipperary hurlers (just one example since they were mentioned earlier in this thread) in recent years and treated as Gospel on boards like this was insane. I'm sure you called out that at the time too and pointed out the burden of proof. Or maybe not.

Anyway, it is Limerick's turn now to have to suck it up. Some counties are excellent at keeping such stuff in-house and amazingly keep even supporters on-message but others seem to enthrall gossip merchants. Looks like Limerick are firmly in the latter category.

paddyirish23 · 22-11-2019 12:33am

Powerhouse wrote: »

Nothing new there. The amount of stuff that was made up about some Tipperary hurlers (just one example since they were mentioned earlier in this thread) in recent years and treated as Gospel on boards like this was insane. I'm sure you called out that at the time too and pointed out the burden of proof. Or maybe not.

Anyway, it is Limerick's turn now to have to suck it up. Some counties are excellent at keeping such stuff in-house and amazingly keep even supporters on-message but others seem to enthrall gossip merchants. Looks like Limerick are firmly in the latter category.

Maybe so but when you see stupid videos of players digging the head off ppl and there's obvious prove then you do wonder what else is true. I really hope all the rest is made up bull****e but no smoke without fire. I only heard abt the tipp Jersey burning today, honest to god it's really stupid but this day and age making bloody videos and sharing them is school boy stuff. These lads are men and should have a bit of cop on. If any or all is true, kiely will have great time explaining to media why certain players are dropped this yr. I'd sooner it's all kept in house and sorted that way but now some of it is all over WhatsApp and the like it's gonna be a true test of the squad, management included. Plz god it gets sorted before the league!

pajoguy · 22-11-2019 1:14am

paddyirish23 wrote: »

Maybe so but when you see stupid videos of players digging the head off ppl and there's obvious prove then you do wonder what else is true. I really hope all the rest is made up bull****e but no smoke without fire. I only heard abt the tipp Jersey burning today, honest to god it's really stupid but this day and age making bloody videos and sharing them is school boy stuff. These lads are men and should have a bit of cop on. If any or all is true, kiely will have great time explaining to media why certain players are dropped this yr. I'd sooner it's all kept in house and sorted that way but now some of it is all over WhatsApp and the like it's gonna be a true test of the squad, management included. Plz god it gets sorted before the league!

It will be very easy for Kiely to explain to the media..... breach of discipline.... end of.... answer the inevitable questions before they get asked....they were warned before barbados and again before New York about phines and social media..... those two lads have to be dropped immediatley for the coming year..... as bad as the man throwing the fists was the video being shared breaks the trust within any squad.

As for all the other stuff flying around this last day or two Im not sure. No smoke without fire. If there are court case to be had then the mans head will not be where it needs to be to get within an asses roar of an all ireland.

paddy no 11 · 22-11-2019 11:49am

The bigger issue is with the Guard and Influence from higher up, why did these fells need to go to sandy lane during club season (Is limerick hurling been run as a commercial vehicle for the sponsor?).

That said id have 3 of the 4 fells named off he panel (not too much in the Barry Murphy thing in fairness he's from Doon like)

Walter.White · 22-11-2019 11:57am

paddy no 11 wrote: »

The bigger issue is with the Guard and Influence from higher up, why did these fells need to go to sandy lane during club season (Is limerick hurling been run as a commercial vehicle for the sponsor?).

That said id have 3 of the 4 fells named off he panel (not too much in the Barry Murphy thing in fairness he's from Doon like)

Murphy is already gone I think, didn't go to new York .

paddy no 11 · 22-11-2019 1:07pm

Walter.White wrote: »

Murphy is already gone I think, didn't go to new York .

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