Devil May Cry 5

Got this as a free reward with my new GPU, looking forward to some good old fashioned stylish CUHRAZY!!

BeerWolf wrote: »

The AI of V's pets sucks... have yourself targeting something, and the cat frequently attacking elsewhere.

100% how cats actually work tbf

Finished the campaign, enjoyable story. The multiplayer aspect is incredibly unnoticeable since you're never beside each other. At first I thought those names were the name of the song currently playing!

Penn wrote: »

Over halfway through. It's brilliant. It's genuinely old school DMC. Neros devil breakers work far better than I thought they would. It's a great system. The vital/devil stars aren't missed, and I've picked up plenty of gold orbs (though haven't needed to use any yet).

V's gameplay is fun and complex, though I have to admit it's a bit button-bashy. It's hard to be able to pull off proper directional attacks with both square and triangle when the animals are facing a different way than you. But when it works, it's awesome and easy to get SSS rank with.

V is piss easy to get SSS's on from just mashing them buttons. Nightmare just wrecks everything with that Explosive laser beam of his (depletion rate upgrade is a must).

His secret mission of not touching the ground was beyond frustrating though. Speaking of which, there are secret areas that can only be accessed from summoning Nightmare, where he makes an explosive entrance through the wall.

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

My main complaint is that the levels feel stuck in the PS2 era. That the rest of the game is very PS2-esque is a good thing, but the level design is restrictive and messy. Lots of unreachable ledges and invisible barriers where it looks like there could be something. Exploration has always been a distance second, third, fourth priority to the fighting in this series, but this is underwhelming even within those expectations.

Yeah I can't disagree with that. The invisible barriers are disappointing. Figured there might be something hidden in an area when playing as V, over a jump you shouldn't really be able to make. Managed to cheese the jump using his cane attack to jump forward, then double-jumping and gliding. Would have easily landed on the ledge but hit an invisible wall. Sucks when that happens. The lack of locked doors, backtracking and the invisible walls throughout really makes it feel far more linear than previous games.

Fred The Red wrote: »

Is Dante a playable character? I don't want to google as I fear might spoil some of the story.
Can somebody pop it into spoiler tags. Thanks alot.

Can anyone explain the parrying to me (with Nero)?

Got it a few times but I don't remember how.

Also game crashed on me once already

A Neurotic wrote: »

It took me a while to realise you can set them on auto-attack for a short while by expending a DT bar. On PS4 you do it by holding down L2 and then hitting square or triangle. Useful for when you're getting overwhelmed and want to take the pressure off by letting one of the minions do its own thing for a minute.

In general I get best milage out of spamming Griffon's charge lightning attack and his dual beam attack while spamming Shadow combos.

Does that make them auto-attack? I thought it just made their attacks more powerful?

Edit: Just googled and you're right, it makes their attacks more powerful but also makes them auto-attack by themselves. I must have missed that.

Venom wrote: »

For those on PC, there is a DRM free reviewer launcher that Capcom released on steam by mistake that can add up to 20 FPS to how the game runs over the DRM locked version of the game!


https://www.usgamer.net/articles/capcom-leaves-drm-free-version-of-devil-may-cry-5-on-steam-by-accident

Digital Foundry tested this and found it made little difference to most setups, few fps at best. May help low spec systems.

Edit - watched again, there may be some gains to be made but really depends on how your system is for spare resources.

Man the Cavaliere is just such a fun weapon to use. Completely just mashes everything, especially with Swordmaster.

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

The story is beyond ****e - just incoherent nonsense. But that’s basically the default for both this series and the wider genre. Best to simply accept it as the half-assed excuse for the good stuff (the combat)

On the plus side, I do appreciate the running gag of the van being able to show up anywhere, no matter how absurd and impractical.

Yeah even as a fan of the DMC story in general, it has always been kinda awful, cheesy and mostly nonsense. But it suits the general tone of the game and can occasionally have its moments. Really though, it's just there to give you a reason to go from Point A to Point B to Dual Lightning Chainsaw Motorbike.

Fred The Red wrote: »

I only recently completed the first one again, member this cheese :pac:

Hah, I did contemplate making a joke about how the story should have been the one to fill my dark soul with LLIIIGGGGHHHHHTTTTTTT

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

The story is beyond ****e - just incoherent nonsense. But that’s basically the default for both this series and the wider genre. Best to simply accept it as the half-assed excuse for the good stuff (the combat)

On the plus side, I do appreciate the running gag of the van being able to show up anywhere, no matter how absurd and impractical.

You have to assume (or hope) the writers are aware of the nonsense they are creating. Just a series of unrelatable events and some very unsubtle references to Virgil.
Ultimately it's like a 60s batman series of episodes; simple but brimming with character, one liners and a whole lot of BANG, SOCK, BLAMMO! in between.

Faust hats off to anyone who had anything to do with Nico, far and away the best reason to watch the cutscenes. If they decide to go with further dlc or a future definitive edition, making her playable with some whacky style should be top priority.

Azza wrote: »

While I don't support DRM in general its not malware. Least not by the standard definition of malware.

It shares all the key characteristics of it. It's based off of stolen code and the company is a racket. https://torrentfreak.com/denuvo-accused-of-using-unlicensed-software-to-protect-it-anti-piracy-tool-170605/ Although the companies seem to have no beef with each other anymore, their origins as SecuROM mean they really just can't be trusted.

malicious software, is any software used to disrupt computer operations, gather sensitive information, gain access to private computer systems, or display unwanted advertising.[1] Malware is defined by its malicious intent, acting against the requirements of the computer user, and does not include software that causes unintentional harm due to some deficiency. The term badware is sometimes used, and applied to both true (malicious) malware and unintentionally harmful software.[2]

Denuvo does all except advertising. It intentionally disrupts/blocks your access to game if you don't fulfill its requirements. It also says in the EULA (I read them :pac:) that the software may remain in your system even after uninstalling the game - literally the biggest red flag for malicious software is it being made intentionally difficult to remove.

Azza wrote: »

The performance issue in Tekken 7 relating to one specific move for one specific character was caused by Denuvo or at least an improper implementation of it. Was fixed in a patch.

Yes but also an unknown amount of performance hit overall. The fact that one time (in an update) it caused a sub-60 dip from one move doesn't mean it isn't causing other overall performance issues that require people to play on lower settings or better hardware. It also makes it sh*tier (but not impossible) to use on unsupported platforms like Linux. It's a complete bane to the customer.

Azza wrote: »

Denuvo when it first appeared on the scene was very difficult to crack and some games remained uncracked for months. For the most part its being cracked very quickly in the recent years although occasional updated versions of it hold out for a couple of day or weeks.

The biggest reason games don't get cracked isn't usually the DRM, it's 1. how 'software as a service' the game has become (For Honor) and 2. How much interest. If it's a classic release model with tons of interest, it'll get cracked quickly.

Azza wrote: »

Developers and publishers aren't keen on throwing away money. They must have some reason to keep using DRM systems. Like if a game holds out from being cracked for just a couple of days they might consider the cost worthwhile.

They may think that due to the business advertising Denuvo does to scare clueless suits into thinking it will protect their investment when there's no scientific evidence that it encourages purchases. But this information is suppressed: https://gizmodo.com/the-eu-suppressed-a-300-page-study-that-found-piracy-do-1818629537

Game publisher's behavior in regards to games a service, removal of LAN and custom servers, and which games have used Denuvo suggest that piracy isn't the main reason Denuvo is used. Control of the user experience and increasing DLC/MTs business models seems to be the primary reason why things like Denuvo exist.

To put it in perspective, Dues Ex MD has/had MTs that are/were one-time-use and just standard in-game items to give you an edge. Effectively making it so that if you were to do something as simple as mod/cheat in some item drops, you've essentially pirated DLC content by proxy... and the publisher and Denuvo would know all about it. Absurdity.

Azza wrote: »

Were did you get the figure of 300K from. Often in discussions about Denuvo people claim it costs a lot of money to implement and that money would be better spent on the game development and bug fixing, but I never see any links to the actual cost of implementing Denuvo or if they have a contact what it terms are. For example if Denuvo is cracked day 1 or withing a short time period of time do they developers get a refund or partial refund? In DMC5's case though Denuvo wasn't cracked it was Capcom who goofed up.

You're right, I was incorrect, it was 100K not 300K. It was found out on 8chan, possibly the gamergate threads I can't remember. Someone posed as a big game developer and contacted Denuvo. The sales staff quoted a price. Probably the closest we'll ever get to finding out how much these things actually cost.

Azza wrote: »

Anyway I didn't intend to play DMC5 but it came free with my last graphics card

Yeah I'm playing a friend of mine's copy with the DRM and steam removed. I think it's absolutely fantastic, one of the best DMCs yet. Can't wait for the malware to be removed as I'd love to support the game, support the Vergil DLC as well as enjoy the updates, achievements, scoreboard etc.

Sorry 'bout the wall-o-text

Started Son of Sparda mode last night. Did the prologue and Mission 1. Nothing too hard so far anyway. Some enemies are very tank-y though.

Can't see V's missions being a lot of fun when it comes to it.