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104,800 unemployed in 2006,but rewarded

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    #2
    AckwelFoley
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    yea.

    dam pagans


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    Overheal
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    Abigail Blue Tenseness wrote: »
    According to this http://www.cori.ie/justice2/Specific_Policy_Issues/33-work

    There where about 104,800 unemployed during the "celtic tiger",and the gov instead of solving this welfare issue,opened the borders to allow fellow eu workers to do the hard work whilst the budget rewarded the those not working when there was plenty of jobs http://www.rte.ie/news/2005/1207/budget.html

    :confused:
    Lets see. 2006 right?

    104,800 unemployed divided by population 4,239,848 = 2.47% Unemployment.

    Thats well above the average. Ireland's rate of unemployment was excellent in 2006 and was probably mostly from skilled professionals that were without work in their particular sector, or from unemployable deadbeats. Take your pick.

    About.com:

    Definition: The natural rate of unemployment is the unemployment rate that occurs, even in a healthy economy. The only way an economy could have a zero percent unemployment rate is if it is severely overheated. Even then, wages would probably rise before there could actually be no unemployment.

    There will always be some level of unemployment for three reasons:

    Frictional Unemployment - Workers leave jobs because they leave town without lining up another job. Others decide they don't like their job, and quit before they get a new one. Still others might decide to leave the work force for personal reasons such as retirement, pregnancy or sickness. When they decide to return, they are counted as unemployed as long as they are looking for a job and haven't found one.

    Structural Unemployment - As long as economic needs change and worker skills change, there will always be a mis-match between job skills and job availability. Workers will be displaced by technology or the factory moves to a cheaper location. When Baby Boomers reached their 30's, and had fewer children, there was a shrinking need for day care workers.

    Surplus Unemployment - This is caused by minimum wages laws and unions.When wages are controlled at a higher level, unemployment occurs because the company can only higher     [sic] fewer workers for the same payroll budget.
    Also Known As: structural unemployment rate, frictional unemployment rate
    Examples:
    Economists debate over whether the natural rate of unemployment is 4% or less.


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    red menace
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    Abigail Blue Tenseness wrote: »
    According to this http://www.cori.ie/justice2/Specific_Policy_Issues/33-work

    There where about 104,800 unemployed during the "celtic tiger",and the gov instead of solving this welfare issue,opened the borders to allow fellow eu workers to do the hard work whilst the budget rewarded the those not working when there was plenty of jobs http://www.rte.ie/news/2005/1207/budget.html

    :confused:

    Did we not open the borders to the EU when we joined the EU?
    Are you assuming that all 104,800 were fit and available to work?


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    fontanalis
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    red menace wrote: »
    Did we not open the borders to the EU when we joined the EU?
    Are you assuming that all 104,800 were fit and available to work?

    It's easier to blame someone else for the problems.


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    ulinbac
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    Ireland had what was called full employment (this is where there are jobs available for all those willing to work at existing wages), which is defined around 4% unemployment for the reasons correctly mentioned by Overheal, and yes they were all able to work. The figure was just over 4% and to calculate you divide the number of eligible workers between 15-70 and divide by the number unemployed. So Stone Roses it was not an issue, we were the envy of the EU!!!

    The people "let in" were doing the jobs the Irish refused to do like working in take-aways, cleaning etc., mainly unskilled labour was needed to help with the increase in demand. At one point we needed to have migration levels in excess of 55,000 people to sustain growth and demand.

    Finally, many of the people coming into the country during the boom were the Irish that had previously emigrated.


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    Hail 2 Da Thief
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    Overheal wrote: »
    Lets see. 2006 right?

    104,800 unemployed divided by population 4,239,848 = 2.47% Unemployment.
    The total population of the country is irrelevant when calculating the unemployment rate. To calculate the unemployment rate you need the total number of people in the labor force.


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    Ronin247
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    There is one section of our society that never work.

    They have time for bare Knuckle fighting,rioting and robbing the rest of our houses but they never work.It would probably be viewed as some form of bias to ask them to work.The only way to reduce their unemployment is the Nally method.


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    Sanjuro
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    Even when it was the bears, I knew it was the imigants.


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    CreepingDeath
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    Forget the lunacy of the EU saying there should be a minimum percentage of women in certain jobs, there should be a minimum percentage of native Irish people in jobs.


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    dxhound2005
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    What were FAS doing with €20 million a week when there was full employment.


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    PeakOutput
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    Ronin247 wrote: »
    There is one section of our society that never work.

    They have time for bare Knuckle fighting,rioting and robbing the rest of our houses but they never work.It would probably be viewed as some form of bias to ask them to work.The only way to reduce their unemployment is the Nally method.

    Also iirc anything under 4% is considered 'full' employment


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    haydar
    Registered Users Posts: 377 ✭✭haydar


    CreepingDeath wrote: »
    Forget the lunacy of the EU saying there should be a minimum percentage of women in certain jobs, there should be a minimum percentage of native Irish people in jobs.

    Thats ridiculous


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    Sonnenblumen
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    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    What were FAS doing with €20 million a week when there was full employment.

    Some were spending before buying, others were busy making sure some fiddles did not make any sound.:p


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    inforfun
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    PeakOutput wrote: »
    Also iirc anything under 4% is considered 'full' employment

    That is exactly what i learned in school many moons ago.

    And it makes sense.
    0% unemployment would mean that a lot of jobs in social welfare become surplus to requirement. Which means people doing those jobs get... unemplyed. Which will need people in social welfar taking jobs to take care of that...


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    Overheal
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    Hail 2 Da Thief wrote: »
    The total population of the country is irrelevant when calculating the unemployment rate. To calculate the unemployment rate you need the total number of people in the labor force.
    You are correct and I yield to a well aimed rebuttal.

    I've even more quickly than my first attempt at mathematics pulled up this chart of the Irish Unemployment rate. If it is to be believed, the Rate of unemploytment in Ireland was 4.3% in 2006. Still by all means a fairly healthy number, I would think.

    http://www.indexmundi.com/ireland/unemployment_rate.html

    Obviously this doesnt mean some towns and counties werent affected by unemployment more unevenly than others:

    http://www.finfacts.ie/irishfinancenews/article_1011063.shtml

    Either way I feel the conclusion here is that the opening argument of the thread is - insubstantial.


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    WalterMitty
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    There will always be a few percent that are unemployable or incapable of work due to very poor education, undiagnosed psychological/psychiatric issues, criminal tendancies, drug addiction etc. If they were cut off dole many would turn to crime and cost us even more to house in prison. In saying that i think basic dole is too high. nearly 200 euro a week ! how many wife beaters and cheap bottles of beer could you get for that?


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    Victor
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    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    What were FAS doing with €20 million a week when there was full employment.
    Even (especially!) in times of full employment, staff need training.


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    Guy:Incognito
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    ulinbac wrote: »

    The people "let in" were doing the jobs the Irish refused to do like working in take-aways, cleaning etc., mainly unskilled labour was needed to help with the increase in demand. At one point we needed to have migration levels in excess of 55,000 people to sustain growth and demand.
    .

    This "jobs the Irish refused to do" line is always trotted out as derogatory evidence we got above our station. As you pointed out, we had "full" employment, so unless people were expected to leave better paying jobs to fill fill the low paid ones as some sort of self deprecating excercise it needs to be dropped.


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    haydar
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh5pqt1sM8w


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