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Famous Irish Graves -They are dead but where are they buried.

  • 16-06-2010 11:06pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭


    I was at a funeral recently in St Fintans in Sutton and took time out to see where Phil Lynott & Charlie Haughey were buried.

    I never found Charlies Grave but then he wasn't a rock star.

    Here is a pic of Philip Parris Lynott's grave.

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    It got me thinking that before Catholic Emancipation 1830 you did not have Catholic Graveyards and the family graves I have found on my own bunch were in Protestant Cemetaries.

    Great Uncle Peter was buried in a grave in use since at least 1777 by his namesake.

    So dotted around Ireland you have graves of "famous" people and little bits of local history and even worldwide.Where was Patrick Sarsfield interred. James Joyce, Peig Sayers???

    Oscar Wilde is a neighbour of the Lizard King himself Jim Morrison in Pere Le Chaise in Paris.

    Here is a cool link to the mystery Robert Emmets final resting place.

    http://homepage.eircom.net/~seanjmurphy/irhismys/emmet.htm


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 984 ✭✭✭Dummy


    Interesting thread.

    Peig is buried in Dunquin on the Dingle Peninsula. I have been to her grave.

    That was an interesting article about Robert Emmet.


    A few weeks ago I was in Galway and went to find the grave of William Joyce, Lord Haw Haw, in the graveyard on Botharmor. I couldn't find it and there was nobody around that I could ask. I didn't want to knock on the caretakers door as it was around lunchtime on a Sunday.

    Does anyone know, where in the graveyard this grave is?


    D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,165 ✭✭✭✭brianthebard


    Joyce is buried in Paris isn't he? (nope, Zurich)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    The Strange and Bizarre tale of the reinternment of Willie Yeats :eek:

    But the end of the war brought a bizarre and unwelcome surprise. The body had disappeared. When Yeats’s last lover, Edith Shackleton Heald, returned to Roquebrune to visit the grave, she found that the grave was gone. A confused exchange of correspondence between the priest at Roquebrune, the undertaker’s office, and a small group of Yeats’s friends revealed that, apparently due to a clerical error and the priest’s ignorance of Yeats’s identity, the grave had been dug up and the poet’s remains taken to the ossuary, where anonymous bones were kept. It would be difficult to find the poet’s skeleton: in the ossuary skulls and limbs were stored separately.

    So was there really another skelleton with a surgical truss ??

    Here is the link

    http://www.hudsonreview.com/PhillipsSp04.html

    Not to be outdone on having just the one grave Peter Kavanagh, eccentric doctor and literary executor of Patrick Kavanagh had a cunning plan for two graves
    In November 1967 Patrick Kavanagh finally died and was buried in the "stony grey soil" of Inniskeen graveyard. There were stepping stones on his grave and a wooden cross with his name inscribed on it, with a few lines of one of his poems written on the stepping stones. When his wife died there was a dispute between the Kavanaghs and the wife's people which resulted in Peter removing the stepping stones and the cross, and arranging them near the gate of their original home.

    http://www.redbrick.dcu.ie/~scruff/kavanagh.htm

    So you have the real grave and one that looks like one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,371 ✭✭✭Fuinseog


    Dummy wrote: »
    Interesting thread.

    Peig is buried in Dunquin on the Dingle Peninsula. I have been to her grave.

    That was an interesting article about Robert Emmet.


    A few weeks ago I was in Galway and went to find the grave of William Joyce, Lord Haw Haw, in the graveyard on Botharmor. I couldn't find it and there was nobody around that I could ask. I didn't want to knock on the caretakers door as it was around lunchtime on a Sunday.

    Does anyone know, where in the graveyard this grave is?


    D

    easy to find it.
    the problem with that is that if everybody know some crazed anti fa will desecrate it. behind the KLm graves.


    look out for the grave of Padraig O conaire and walter Macken. siobhan mcKenna?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    Dummy wrote: »


    A few weeks ago I was in Galway and went to find the grave of William Joyce, Lord Haw Haw, in the graveyard on Botharmor. I couldn't find it and there was nobody around that I could ask. I didn't want to knock on the caretakers door as it was around lunchtime on a Sunday.

    Does anyone know, where in the graveyard this grave is?


    D

    I havent been there but I read somewhere that he was buried in the Protestant Section of the New Graveyard -if that makes any sense.

    His daughter gave away some of the family papers to a collector as she couldnt afford a headstone.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2005/dec/05/past.secondworldwar


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 984 ✭✭✭Dummy


    Fuinseog wrote: »
    easy to find it.
    the problem with that is that if everybody know some crazed anti fa will desecrate it. behind the KLm graves.


    look out for the grave of Padraig O conaire and walter Macken. siobhan mcKenna?

    Thank you. I'll be in Galway again in August and will go again. So Joyce is literally behind the KLM graves?

    I'm glad you mentioned O'Conaire, Macken and McKenna. I never knew they were buried there too. I have always enjoyed Mackens triology.


    Thank you.


  • Registered Users Posts: 232 ✭✭oncevotedff


    CDfm wrote: »
    Where was Patrick Sarsfield interred.

    St Martin's hurchyard, Huy, Belgium. He died of wounds after the Battle of Landen in 1693.

    Coincidentally I stopped in Littleton, Co. Tipperary on the way home today to look for the grave of Gen. Richard Mulcahy. I'll take a pic next week.
    Treacy_1.jpg
    Grave of Sean Treacy, Kilfeacle, Co. Tipperary
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    Grave of George Plant, St. Johnstown, Co. Tipperary
    I should have Dan Breen around somewhere too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    George Plant is an interesting one as he was known as the IRA Executioner and effectivelly tried twice for the same crime. He also was a Protestant & his background was not too disimilar to Patrick Kavanaghs.

    An objective mini bio is here

    http://www.turtlebunbury.com/history/history_heroes/hist_hero_georgeplant.html

    Now I didnt really mean this thread to be Find A Grave for Republicans but local angles are good.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,249 ✭✭✭DubMedic


    There's one of the footballers who died in the Munich Air Disaster buried in Glasnevin Cemetery.

    Liam Whelan. I have some pictures of it somewhere.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,842 ✭✭✭Micilin Muc


    Most of the famous people are buried in Glasnevin Cemetery: Daniel O'Connell, C.S. Parnell, Éamon de Valera, Michael Collins, Brendan Behan, Maud Gonne. Guided tours are organised for the cemetery.

    Peig Sayers's graveyard has one of the best views in Ireland.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    Mr Protestant Porter A/K/A Arthur Guinness is in Oughter Ard Co Kildare while the rest of the family are in a tomb in the more salubrious Mount Jerome

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    His grave has recently been rediscovered

    HERE lies the best known Irishman in history .... in a grave hardly anyone knows about and even less visit.
    Stout king Arthur Guinness was buried almost 200 years ago after leaving behind the famous recipe for the pint that would carry his name - and the name of Ireland - across the world.
    But today only a handful of local folk in Co Kildare know where to find him.
    And as for the modern day multi-national brewers, they don't seem to care.
    There are no signposts, no maps to his grave and even in the nearby town of Naas, few know where he lies.
    In terms of tourism, it could be one of the most shameful oversights in Irish history.
    "I was told that the last time the Guinness family were over from England, they didn't know where it was," says Johnny Dunne, who lives just yards from the graveyard.
    "There wouldn't really be any tourists. People still get buried up there, but it's only local people with the plots up there who you find doing that."
    The beautiful resting place, which dates from the sixth century, is like the recipe for the famous big pint, one of the best kept secrets in Ireland.
    Even the Guinness brewery in St James's Gate, Dublin, were stuck for an answer and had to call on its archivist to help us track the location down.
    Graveyard caretaker Sean Meaney said the cemetery had been disused altogether in the past but that he and some friends decided to clean it up.
    "My parents are buried up there," he said. "A group of us lads decided to form a committee and do some work on it.
    "This was when it was just a wilderness about 15 years ago. No one was interested in it at all.
    "I had to beat a track into it when I wanted to get up there.
    "Nowadays you get school tours going up to see it because it's historic. There are supposed to have been nuns buried in it at one stage."
    Sean said he knew that the Guinness angle was not drawn on by Irish tourist bosses.
    But he would be wary of visitors trampling on the ancient ground.
    "The trouble is that you might get the wrong elements knowing about it," he said.
    "There was talk there of putting a sign up at one stage, but that hasn't happened."
    Oughterard Cemetery, just a few miles outside of Naas, sits atop a hill overlooking spectacular Kildare countryside.
    It holds the souls of both Protestants and Catholics and only those with a direct connection can be buried in it.
    Its popularity as a beautiful resting place has been rekindled since its makeover, and it's said that local farmers have offered to donate land to extend it.
    But the walled property that boasts a round tower and tumbledown crypt is unlikely ever to be reshaped.
    Today it has a gate indicating to passers by that it is a sacred place.
    But only by accident would visitors realise they were on the same ground as the King of Stout.
    Arthur Guinness, who shares a vault with his wife Olivia, children and grandchildren, is thought to have been born nearby in Selbridge.
    He was a butler for a landed family, and began experimenting with brewing techniques in his own home.
    His projects with 'porter,' a dark beer that had its roots in the east end of London, brought him a brand new flavour and he was brewing stout at St James's Gate soon after.
    The brewery there today is one of Ireland's biggest tourist attractions with people from across the world queuing in their thousands to hear about the beer.
    But the whereabouts of the man himself, who lies less than 20 miles from Dublin, is not part of the show.
    Local farmer, teetotaller Johnny Dunne said: "It's hard to say if there are people going up there to see his grave or not. You wouldn't notice people driving by."
    Stout fans who fancy paying their respects to the man himself might enjoy a pilgrimage to the lonely graveside.
    They might take heart from the carved words on the tomb of Arthur, who died at 78, and his wife.
    The grave reads: "They lived universally beloved and respected and their memory will long be cherished by a numerous circle of friends, relations and descendants."
    Millions of people would agree.
    A spokeswoman for Guinness Ireland said the grave was 'private'.
    She added the entire history of the company was on open display at the Dublin brewery.
    "We have half a million visitors a year," she said.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    DubMedic wrote: »
    There's one of the footballers who died in the Munich Air Disaster buried in Glasnevin Cemetery.

    Liam Whelan. I have some pictures of it somewhere.

    a forgotten hero -now thats interesting -was he from the area


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,249 ✭✭✭DubMedic


    CDfm wrote: »
    a forgotten hero -now thats interesting -was he from the area

    Not sure about Liam, but from what I've been told his mother is/was a local resident.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    DubMedic wrote: »
    Not sure about Liam, but from what I've been told his mother is/was a local resident.

    He was from Cabra -there is some stuff on You Tube about the Busby Babes and Boby Charlton at Home Farm but this is the video I like



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 410 ✭✭trapsagenius


    Admit it CDfm-you're still a bit of a fan of CJH!;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    Admit it CDfm-you're still a bit of a fan of CJH!;)

    Absolutely, if he was alive today he would be saying 70 billion and no tribunal and evereybody knows about it -how did they do it :D

    He would be gutted.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,567 ✭✭✭delta_bravo


    George Colley former FF minister is buried in Templeogue Graveyard, Dublin. I dont think he was from the area, he served in northside constituencies. It doesnt seem to be tended to anymore which I always find poignant to see graves quite overgrown and unattended to.


  • Registered Users Posts: 232 ✭✭oncevotedff


    CDfm wrote: »
    Now I didnt really mean this thread to be Find A Grave for Republicans but local angles are good.

    We don't have any dead footballers or rockstars in Tipperary.:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    We don't have any dead footballers or rockstars in Tipperary.:D

    But you had

    Ronald W Reagen 40th President of the United States

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    He has every right to be up there as a rockstar

    Ballyporeen FTW


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,107 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    We can't leave out Ernest Shackleton, buried in Grytviken, South Georgia.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_Shackleton


    Shackleton_Grave_SouthGeorgia.jpg


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,107 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    .....and another Irish explorer's grave, that of Tom Crean, with a nice lady standing next to it. It's taken from a comprehensive website, and gives all kinds of info on the great man. (I hope I don't get a doing over the copy/paste)

    http://www.tomcrean.com/


    grave.jpg
    Previous to this, the frozen wastes lured him twice, each time with Captain Robert Falcon Scott. The first of Scott's expeditions, the voyage of Discovery, lasted from 1901 to 1904. The second, and fatal one, began in 1910 and went on for three years. On this voyage, Tom Crean was petty officer on the ship "Terra Nova" which navigated Ross Sea, Mc Murdo sound, Cape Evans and Hut Point. Scott and his party reached the Pole on January 17th 1912, but perished on the return trek. Crean was in the relief party that found Scott's frozen body. Crean himself had been within 180 miles of the pole.
    He retired from the Navy as a Warrant Officer, was decorated with sword at Buckingham Palace and was awarded several medals including the Albert medal for saving the life of Evans. He built the south Pole Inn in Annascaul where he lived out his days with his wife Nell and daughters Eileen and Mary.
    He died in 1938 and is buried in Ballinacourty.

    ****************************************************

    I knew one of Scott's grandchildren in the UK, years ago. She had an appointment to come and see me, one bad winter, but was held up because of the snow and ice. It must have been hereditary.:o


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    I couldnt find the grave but Anna & Thomas Haslam have a memorial in Stephens Green -Quakers who were active in the suffrage movement for women & men

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    They are almost forgotten now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    Dame Alice Kytler "the Witch of Kilkenny" convicted and sentenced to be burnt she got away and her maid Petronnella of Meath was barbequed.

    While dubbed a witch she was likely just a poisener who killed husbands and took their money.


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    St Canices Cathedral Kilkenny

    Biographical link

    http://www.obrien.ie/files/extracts/BewitchedLand-sample.pdf


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,107 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    William Brown, born in Foxford in 1777, founder of the Argentine Navy. His remains are inside a metal case, visible through a window on this elaborate tombstone in Buenos Aires.


    http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=19128

    brownguiilermo2.jpg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    Andrew Scott a/k/a Captain Moonlite was a bushranger and homosexual and went to his execution wearing a ring made of his partners hair.

    800px-Gundagai_cemetery_Moonlight_headstone.jpg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1 1894_1969


    I am wondering, If anyone knows Where Dan Breen's Grave Is?
    Thanks;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    1894_1969 wrote: »
    I am wondering, If anyone knows Where Dan Breen's Grave Is?
    Thanks;)

    its in the local cemetary in donohill -where he was from.and the location iswell known.

    i am the OPand the thread is really for non political /republican graves


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,731 ✭✭✭MarchDub


    CDfm wrote: »

    i am the OPand the thread is really for non political /republican graves

    Now be fair - you mentioned Charlie Haughey, Patrick Sarsfield and Robert Emmet in your OP.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,273 ✭✭✭Morlar


    Why would you politicise the thread in the first place by excluding some of the most famous Irishmen of all (on the basis that they were republicans) ? While also including politically active non-republicans such as those in the suffragette movement ?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    Biddy Early of County Clare (1798 -1874)

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    This is her ruined cottage and she was a healer.

    She is buried in Feakle Graveyard but the grave is unmarked but lots of people claim to know the location of a secret grave.

    reputedly put on trial as a witch

    She outlived 4 husbands -one her son in law

    27 priests attended her funeral and she was called a saint by the chief celebrant

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biddy_Early

    Lady Gregory & Yeats wrote about her but I would love to know the truth factual without the fairy lore.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,761 ✭✭✭pappyodaniel


    W B Yeats is buried in Drumcliff, about 5 miles north of Sligo town on the Bundoran Road. He was originally buried somewhere in France and then moved to Sligo, as was his wishes.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    W B Yeats is buried in Drumcliff, about 5 miles north of Sligo town on the Bundoran Road. He was originally buried somewhere in France and then moved to Sligo, as was his wishes.

    aha but there was a mix up over the tomb rental and the bones that came back may not be him at all !!!!!!!!!!!!

    http://www.hudsonreview.com/PhillipsSp04.html


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    Morlar wrote: »
    Why would you politicise the thread in the first place by excluding some of the most famous Irishmen of all (on the basis that they were republicans) ? While also including politically active non-republicans such as those in the suffragette movement ?

    Its for fun and folklore -now if you can find a famous and forgotten Irish Madame or Burlesque Artiste or Sportswoman or Cowboy, Bankrobber or Politician or Gigilo put them in.

    No one is stopping you starting your own thread but this one is a Tabloid.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    montezlola.jpg

    The New York grave of Mrs Gilbert a/k/a Lola Montez from Limerick -one time lover of Franz List and mistress of King Ludwig of Bavaria. Also famous for her Spider Dance.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 232 ✭✭oncevotedff


    CDfm wrote: »
    But you had

    Ronald W Reagen 40th President of the United States

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    He has every right to be up there as a rockstar

    Ballyporeen FTW

    He wasn't Irish.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 232 ✭✭oncevotedff


    rice.jpg
    Lena Rice buried in New Inn Co. Tipp. Wimbledon Singles winner 1890.

    I didn't realise we were supposed to do a little bio so I've added it here;
    Helena "Lena" Rice, was born on the 21st June 1866, the second youngest of the seven children of Spring Rice and his wife, Anna. The family home was at Marlhill half a mile from New Inn, County Tipperary. She had two brothers, Henry and Spring and four sisters Bess, Connie, Annie and Lucy. Lena learned to play tennis at home against her sister Annie. She also played in Cahir Lawn Tennis Club where most of her opponents were men. Her first major competition was the Irish Championships at the Fitzwilliam Lawn Tennis Club in May 1889. Lena lost narrowly in two sets to Blanche Hillyard- five times Wimbledon Champion- in the semi-final. Lena won the Mixed Doubles, partnering Willoughby Hamilton against Mrs Hillyard and Henry Stone. In June 1889 she competed at the Lawnsdowne Handicap Challenge where she was runner up in the singles tournament and then traveled to England with her sister to compete at Wimbledon for the first time. Lena battled hard to the final but was once again beaten by Blanche Hillyard. In the 1890 Irish Championships, Lena lost the women's singles final to Louise Martin. In Wimbledon she had little difficulty reaching the final where her opponent was May Jacks of Great Britain, her semi final opponent of the previous year.The final was played on the 4th of July 1890, with Lena winning 6-4, 6-1 to become the first Irish woman to win Wimbledon. She retired from competitive tennis immediately after her Wimbledon victory, aged 24. Lena lived out the rest of her life in genteel poverty folowing the deaths of her parents. She died of tuberculosis on the 21st of June 1907, her 41st birthday.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    He wasn't Irish.

    OK -you have forced me to dig deep to find a really famous Tipperary person.Fr Matthew founder of the Total Abstinence Assiciation was born near Golden in Co Tipperary.

    Shane McGowan is a Tipperary Man who probably wouldnt see eye to eye with him.

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    Buried in St Joesphs Cemetary Cork City (a cemetary he founded following catholic emancipation) . There are statues to him in Cork and Dublin and the witch capital of the world Salem .

    He was also an anti slavery supporter and lent his name to that cause.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,165 ✭✭✭✭brianthebard


    There's also one in the Claddagh in Galway which would have been one of the poorest areas in the town in the 19th Century and thus home to a lot of alcoholics. Sometimes statues seem to be just plonked down anywhere, and sometimes their placement can tell us a lot about what people were thinking when they did it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    William Burke
    [SIZE=-1]1792 - 1829
    [SIZE=-1]Resurrectionist and Murderer. An Irish navvy who came to Scotland, to work on the Union Canal. When his work on the canal was finished, he moved into Edinburgh taking up lodgings in Tanner's Close in the home of William Hare (d. c.1860). The pair frequented the drinking dens of the Old Town but soon turned to the lucrative occupation of obtaining bodies for Dr Robert Knox (1791 - 1862), the anatomist, based in Edinburgh University's Medical School, for which they were paid £7 10/- each. Initially the pair are said to have satisfied their employer by digging up freshly buried corpses, but they quickly resorted to murder, luring victims to their lodging house. Here they plied their victims with drink before smothering them. They were captured after killing 16 people, the so-called 'West Port Murders'. Only Burke stood trial in the High Court in Edinburgh, because Hare had turned King's evidence and testified against his partner. He was convicted and hanged in front of a large crowd in Edinburgh's Lawnmarket. Burke's body was subject to a public dissection by Professor Alexander Monro (1773 - 1859) and curiously a wallet made from his tanned skin remains preserved in the Anatomy Museum of the Royal College of Surgeons in Edinburgh, along with his death-mask.
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    He was part of an infamous duo Burke and Hare from Ireland -who with his partner and the two mens wags killed 17 people. He gave his name toa killing method known as burking meaning getting someone drunk and smothering them. Hare his co-killer went Kings evidence and only Burke was convicted and the women also went free.

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    William Burkes skeleton may be seen at Edinburgh Anatomy Museum - Edinburg College of Medicine and Vetinary.The College of Surgeons have his deathmask, and several items like a wallet made from his skin.

    Below is the College where his skeleton is located.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 232 ✭✭oncevotedff


    CDfm wrote: »
    OK -you have forced me to dig deep to find a really famous Tipperary person.



    Next time I'm in Clonmel I'll get a photo of Frank Patterson's grave.

    Shane McGowan is probably still technically alive.:D


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    Great thread. I don't know why I didn't think of this one before. Admiral David Beatty of the WW.I. Battle of Jutland fame and I include here especially for McArmalite/Rebel Heart/MarchDub etc. Saved us all from having to speak German. The family had an Irish home at Borodale not far from Enniscorthy but I don't know whether he could be described as a son of Ireland. George V honoured him with several titles for his service including 1st Earl Beatty, Viscount Borodale of Wexford, Baron Beatty of the North Sea and of Brooksby. Despite having left Ireland many years ago the family still retains its Irish title and the latest Viscount Borodale was born as recently as 1973 and sports the names Sean David Beatty - so Irish it is. Anyway Admiral Beatty is buried in St.Paul's Cathederal.
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    Adm. David Beatty
    Memorial

    Birth: 1871
    Death: 1936

    British Naval Admiral. He was born on 17 January 1871 in Cheshire, of Anglo-Irish parentage. He entered the training establishment HMS Britannia, Dartmouth at the age of just under thirteen, and joined his first ship HMS Alexandria just before his fifteenth birthday. He served with distinction in the Sudan from 1896 to 1898, and it was in Khartoum in 1898 that a bottle of champagne famously was tossed ashore from Beatty's gunboat, the Fateh, to a grateful Winston Churchill. Beatty then served in China during the Boxer Rising of 1900, during which he was seriously wounded in action ashore, and promoted to captain at the age of only 29. He was further promoted to Rear Admiral on the first day of 1910, to become the youngest Flag officer in the Royal Navy, not of royal rank, since Nelson and Rodney in the eighteenth century. He subsequently refused the appointment of second-in-command of the Atlantic Fleet, for which he was put on half-pay. When Winston Churchill became First Lord of the Admiralty in 1911, he chose Beatty as his Naval Secretary, and this was a successful appointment which lasted until 1913 when Churchill appointed Beatty commander of the Battle Cruiser Squadron. He served with success in the battles of Heligoland Bight in August 1914 and Dogger Bank in January 1915. At the battle of Jutland in May 1916, his bold and aggressive tactics arguably led to what became regarded as a tactical victory for the German High Seas Fleet in terms of losses, but a strategic victory for the Royal Navy as the enemy were discouraged thenceforth from attempting any further major fleet offensives. When HMS Indefatigible and then HMS Queen Mary blew up, Beatty, carrying his flag on HMS Lion, turned to her captain and remarked "There seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today." Captain Chatfield reported that this was a remark which required neither comment nor answer. Beatty's third cousin, Commander Barry Bingham, won a rare naval Victoria Cross at Jutland. On 21 November 1918 Beatty accepted the surrender of the German Fleet, by then anchored off Aberlady Bay in the Firth of Forth, Scotland. At 1100 Beatty signalled to Admiral von Reuter "The German Flag will be hauled down at sunset today, Thursday, and will not be hoisted again without permission." On 3 April 1919 Beatty was appointed an Admiral of the Fleet (as was Jellicoe on the same day) and effective from 1 Nov 1919, First Sea Lord and Chief of the Naval Staff, which he remained until 1927. He was granted a peerage and a gift of £100,000 for his services to his country. Towards the end of his life, a motoring accident and then a serious riding accident afflicted him. These, together with his insistence, against doctors' orders, on attending the lengthy funerals of Jellicoe and then of King George V possibly hastened his death which occurred at his home in Grosvenor Square, London, on 11 March 1936. He was interred in the crypt of St Paul's Cathedral next to Jellicoe and close to Nelson.
    (bio by: Ronald Land)


    Burial:
    Saint Pauls Cathedral
    London
    Greater London, England
    Plot: The crypt, next to Jellicoe

    http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=6207


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    Next time I'm in Clonmel I'll get a photo of Frank Patterson's grave.

    That would be a good addition plus a bit on his claim to fame as a Tenor.
    Great thread but I'm damned if I can think of anybody - give me time though! :D

    I accept assasins , criminals,sex industry workers or madame, bootleggers & defrocked nuns and priests as well but if there is an Irish footnote like a hanging judge, ships captain or town or school founder feel free.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    Mary Mallon a/k/a Typhoid Mary Cook and walking plague and typhoid carrier was from Co Tyrone. She is buried in St Raymonds The Bronx NYC.

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    With no idea she was infected she worked as a cook spreading the disease

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    In custody as a public health risk under an assumed name she got work as a hospital cook infecting 25 and killing 2 (total fatalities 3).

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    Baker describes the emergence of Mallon from the closet:
    She came out fighting and swearing, both of which she could do with appalling efficiency and vigor. I made another effort to talk to her sensibly and asked her again to let me have the specimens, but it was of no use. By that time she was convinced that the law was wantonly persecuting her, when she had done nothing wrong. She knew she had never had typhoid fever; she was maniacal in her integrity. There was nothing I could do but take her with us. The policemen lifted her into the ambulance and I literally sat on her all the way to the hospital; it was like being in a cage with an angry lion.5

    Incarcerated from 1907 and released in 1910 on condition she give up her career of a cook - she lied.

    Read her story here.
    http://history1900s.about.com/od/1900s/a/typhoidmary.htm


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    Where do you get them from? Typhoid Mary....I'll be having nightmares about her tonight - yuck!! :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    Where do you get them from? Typhoid Mary....I'll be having nightmares about her tonight - yuck!! :D

    Its my tabloid mind -with a name like mary she had to be irish - I read footnotes :D

    i am sure there is an executed policeman or gangster out there waiting to be found.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,165 ✭✭✭✭brianthebard


    CDfm you should start looking at local papers from about a hundred years, you'd love some of the stories that they have. Also there was a history of County Sligo written in the late nineteenth century by a priest/bishop which was full of the sort of gossipy/tabloid stories you're looking for. :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    Just to be clear, what is the criteria for a persons grave to be shown here? I have a few in mind, such as Wolfe Tone....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    Just to be clear, what is the criteria for a persons grave to be shown here? I have a few in mind, such as Wolfe Tone....

    You have to be a Protestant like Wolfe Tone? :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,165 ✭✭✭✭brianthebard


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    Just to be clear, what is the criteria for a persons grave to be shown here? I have a few in mind, such as Wolfe Tone....

    I think the point is to talk about people who are not well remembered by history, as well as to look for the more tabloidy elements as CDfm puts it. Politics isn't out of the question but everyone already knows who Wolfe Tone is. On the topic of politicians I wonder does anyone know where Willie Redmond was buried? I'm fairly sure he was killed during WWI. Thomas Kettle too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    Michael John O'Leary of Inchigella won a Victoria Cross in 1915.He stormed a position and shot 8 Germans.

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    "A machine gun was O’Leary’s mark. Before the Germans could manage to slew round and meet the charging men, O’Leary picked off the whole of the five of the machine gun crew. Leaving some of his mates to come up and capture the gun, he dashed forward to the second barricade, which the Germans were quitting in a hurry and shot three more.
    "Some of the enemy who couldn’t get away quick enough faced our men but very little bayonet work was needed. The majority did not wait and we picked them off a good lot of them from our trenches as they left their holes.
    "I had a job keeping my men in the trench. "Why can’t we go across?" they shouted at me and I wanted to go as much as they did. We soon understood how necessary it was to keep up the steady fire. We actually lost more men than the storming party.

    His father Daniel was a fervent republican and was non-plussed by his sons actions, rheumatism was no excuse in West Cork at the time.
    "I am surprised he didn't do more. I often laid out twenty men myself with a stick coming from Macroom Fair, and it is a bad trial of Mick that he could kill only eight, and he having a rifle and bayonet"

    and this beauty

    “Mr. O’Leary, senior, father of the famous V.C., speaking in the Inchigeela district, urged the young men to join the British army. ‘If you don’t’, he told them, ‘the Germans will come here and will do to you what the English have been doing for the last seven hundred years’.” (excerpted from Frank Gallagher's Four Glorious Years, 1953. He wrote under the pen name David Hogan.)

    He finished the War as A Captain and married a Ballavourna girl and headed to Canada as a Policeman.

    Canada didnt go well and he was on trial twice for helping illegal immigrants etc and returned to Ireland and onto London.

    He is from the same area as Peader O'Laoighaire of Mo Sceal Fein fame so could be a relative.In World War II he became a Major. After the War he became a builder.

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    He died in 1961 and is buried in Paddington.


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