Eir planning new age phoneboxes for Dublin

Doblin · 21-09-2019 12:02am #1

Would have been a great idea 10/15 years ago but the almost universal use of smartphones today makes it pretty pointless https://fora.ie/new-payphones-eir-4783660-Aug2019/

SauNewb · 21-09-2019 12:08am

Sounds like a terrible idea.

Unlikely the general public will use them.

It will cost more money to fix them when they get vandalised over time.

Atlantic Dawn · 21-09-2019 12:09am

It's Eir, they couldn't pump **** out of a septic tank, basket case organisation.

Guy:Incognito · 21-09-2019 12:11am

"The company must continue to maintain a number of payphones under its Universal Service Obligation "
This is the sort of money wasting ****e they should be allowed drop.

Quantum Erasure · 21-09-2019 12:12am

Eir is applying for permission to upgrade the kiosks in more than 20 locations around the city. The company must continue to maintain a number of payphones under its Universal Service Obligation and has sought permission to push ahead with a major tech upgrade.

As of December 2018, there were 97 standalone payphones in Ireland, some 37 of which are in Dublin alone. There were also 380 phones at “multi-unit sites” like train stations and shopping centres.

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ILoveYourVibes · 21-09-2019 12:18am

Doblin wrote: »

Would have been a great idea 10/15 years ago but the almost universal use of smartphones today makes it pretty pointless https://fora.ie/new-payphones-eir-4783660-Aug2019/

If they have wifi its a good idea. Also it might encourage people leave phones at home for a while if you have this option. One can dream.

Strumms · 21-09-2019 12:28am

SauNewb wrote: »

Sounds like a terrible idea.

Unlikely the general public will use them.

It will cost more money to fix them when knackers vandalise them over time.

Good idea but probably 10 years to late, the prevalence of smartphones makes them maybe a plan B for somebody whose battery dies... you CAN see them being vandalized to fûck, scumbágs just seeing a big shiny flashing new toy on the street but of no interest to them and bang, gone, hundreds to fix and replace at best.

Atlantic Dawn · 21-09-2019 12:32am

Anyone who needs daily unplanned charging of their phone is typically a scrote, they would rather bring a charger cable with them for their 5 year plus or blind fanbhoy phone than simple by one that can do circa 36 hours on a typical charge.

ILoveYourVibes · 21-09-2019 12:37am

Strumms wrote: »

Good idea but probably 10 years to late, the prevalence of smartphones makes them maybe a plan B for somebody whose battery dies... you CAN see them being vandalized to fûck, scumbágs just seeing a big shiny flashing new toy on the street but of no interest to them and bang, gone, hundreds to fix and replace at best.

Armed guards with dogs ....who bark bees.

Sheeps · 21-09-2019 12:52am

There's enough clutter on the street with all of the horrible street signs and traffic light control boxes

OneEightSeven · 21-09-2019 1:00am

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

"The company must continue to maintain a number of payphones under its Universal Service Obligation "
This is the sort of money wasting ****e they should be allowed drop.

They also have a USO to provide a telephone service to every premise in the country and we have one of the largest rural populations in Europe. From 2003 onwards, they were allowed to connect new builds to the mobile phone network, but most rural premises with telephone lines are subsidised by Eir's urban customers due to their homes being fed by overground poles and private land which have to pay compensation for, resulting in Ireland being one of the most expensive countries from broadband in Europe.

Same with electricity. If you exclude tariffs and levies, Ireland is the most expensive country in Europe for electricity because of urban customers subsidising one-off houses:

We have situations in this country where Eir and the ESB had to erect 15 - 20 odd poles to connect to one home up the side of a mountain. Now the government are planning to use taxpayers money to roll out fibre to every premise in the country, which means erecting new poles to the homes that were hooked up to the mobile phone network, all the while you have parish pump politicians like Michael Fitzmaurice trying to justify one-off houses as culture even though most rural homes didn't exist before the 1970s.

wakka12 · 21-09-2019 1:23am

New public toilets for skangers

They should just put them in train stations and shopping centres and a select few other landmark locations, theres really no need for many of them.

markpb · 21-09-2019 9:02am

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

"The company must continue to maintain a number of payphones under its Universal Service Obligation "
This is the sort of money wasting ****e they should be allowed drop.

Eir said the same thing to Comreg during a recent review. Comreg found that most of the calls made from phone boxes are to support lines for homeless people, abused partners and childline. The sort of people who don't have smartphones or can't make those calls at home.

Also public WiFi is very handy for people who can't afford a smartphone or computer at home or are on holidays here from non-EU countries.

cournioni · 21-09-2019 11:35am

They could do with sorting out their mobile coverage first. Worse coverage than when 088 was still a thing.

JTMan · 22-09-2019 8:02pm

Doblin wrote: »

Eir planning new age phoneboxes for Dublin

Eir are dressing up these new structures as "payphones" but they are really digital advertising boards with a phone attached to them. Eir are making use of the prime real estate that a small number of the payphones are in. This is about advertising, not payphones. Great scam by Eir.

whisky_galore · 22-09-2019 8:11pm

They'll be smashed in less than a week.

4068ac1elhodqr · 22-09-2019 8:50pm

Could be an opportunity for some interesting seating/shelter structures, however as others mentioned more likely to become 'pissh boxes of LCD display advertising', belching out 2.4ghz 5G to fry up fone-zombies, later enhanced with facial recognition systems.

In which case, why not do it the French way with delightful air-urinals adorned with a lovely flowerbed top (dog-poo dumping space).

whisky_galore · 22-09-2019 10:28pm

Kiara Raspy Prairie wrote: »

Could be an opportunity for some interesting seating/shelter structures, however as others mentioned more likely to become 'pissh boxes of LCD display advertising', belching out 2.4ghz 5G to fry up fone-zombies, later enhanced with facial recognition systems.

In which case, why not do it the French way with delightful air-urinals adorned with a lovely flowerbed top (dog-poo dumping space).

They're 'pissiors', sounds real fancy in a French accent.

listermint · 22-09-2019 10:37pm

OneEightSeven wrote: »

They also have a USO to provide a telephone service to every premise in the country and we have one of the largest rural populations in Europe. From 2003 onwards, they were allowed to connect new builds to the mobile phone network, but most rural premises with telephone lines are subsidised by Eir's urban customers due to their homes being fed by overground poles and private land which have to pay compensation for, resulting in Ireland being one of the most expensive countries from broadband in Europe.

Same with electricity. If you exclude tariffs and levies, Ireland is the most expensive country in Europe for electricity because of urban customers subsidising one-off houses:

We have situations in this country where Eir and the ESB had to erect 15 - 20 odd poles to connect to one home up the side of a mountain. Now the government are planning to use taxpayers money to roll out fibre to every premise in the country, which means erecting new poles to the homes that were hooked up to the mobile phone network, all the while you have parish pump politicians like Michael Fitzmaurice trying to justify one-off houses as culture even though most rural homes didn't exist before the 1970s.

Wait.

Did you equate our electricity prices to the fact we have rural housing.

With zero correlation or fact based evidence to back it up.

Excellent. Excellent work..

4068ac1elhodqr · 22-09-2019 10:39pm

whisky_galore wrote: »

They're 'pissiors', sounds real fancy in a French accent.

The larger photo is class, a cheery crowd pass by in a boat as hooded chap takes a leak.

The Express (good entertainment value) also have a swipe at femminists in the headline. Well at least the installation is functional and prevents shopkeepers having to bring out hot mops each morning.

Darc19 · 22-09-2019 10:44pm

Sheeps wrote: »

There's enough clutter on the street with all of the horrible street signs and traffic light control boxes

wakka12 wrote: »

New public toilets for skangers

They should just put them in train stations and shopping centres and a select few other landmark locations, theres really no need for many of them.

Strumms wrote: »

Good idea but probably 10 years to late, the prevalence of smartphones makes them maybe a plan B for somebody whose battery dies... you CAN see them being vandalized to fûck, scumbágs just seeing a big shiny flashing new toy on the street but of no interest to them and bang, gone, hundreds to fix and replace at best.

SauNewb wrote: »

Sounds like a terrible idea.

Unlikely the general public will use them.

It will cost more money to fix them when they get vandalised over time.

whisky_galore wrote: »

They'll be smashed in less than a week.

Does anyone actually read what they are commenting on?

They will utilize current locations, that they must maintain under their obligations.

No new locations, just a simple upgrade to EXISTING infrastructure.

Lone Stone · 22-09-2019 10:46pm

look some times you loose a phone, are drunk need to call for a lift etc. they will be used. altho mostly by drug dealers and junkies.

bodhrandude · 23-09-2019 12:50am

Will the new phone boxes have dreads, airy fairy music and the smell of incense.

23-09-2019 12:57am

JTMan wrote: »

Eir are dressing up these new structures as "payphones" but they are really digital advertising boards with a phone attached to them. Eir are making use of the prime real estate that a small number of the payphones are in. This is about advertising, not payphones. Great scam by Eir.

"Scam"?

That sounds like good sense. Well done to whoever came up with that idea. As long as it isn't a visual intrusion on the street, I think that sounds sensible.

JTMan · 23-09-2019 4:47am

The scam is using retained planning permission for a *payphone* but instead using the site for digital advertising boards with a largely unused phone attached.

Clear Channel came up with the idea. They used the same approach in Australia much to locals annoyance.

4068ac1elhodqr · 23-09-2019 1:28pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

"Scam"?

That sounds like good sense. Well done to whoever came up with that idea. As long as it isn't a visual intrusion on the street, I think that sounds sensible.

By it's very nature: delivering immersive visual content, it could be a distraction, surely there's enough advertising space in the world already and cyclists colliding into fonezombies.

If it uses 'Next Generation Digital Signage Solution' ad-serving (minority report billboards available way back in 2010), it might even have cameras to target anyone approaching it (and deliver content specific to them) raising privacy intrusion concerns.

Then there's 5G, Eir (telecomms) will likely pump out 2.4ghz from it. Whilst this is classed as 'safe' radiation, it may still give a slight warming tingle intrusion to 'los cojones' if standing too close to the antenna.

TheChizler · 23-09-2019 1:31pm

Isn't this very similar to the successful Link system in New York?

https://www.link.nyc/

4068ac1elhodqr · 23-09-2019 1:53pm

TheChizler wrote: »

Isn't this very similar to the successful Link system in New York?
https://www.link.nyc/

Successful for delivering adverts, via x2 55" HD (ad) screens. The information tablet screen is very small (in comparision).

Wifi can already be delivered from existing structures (streetlights), 99% of folks can make a call themselves already on mobiles, and reckon anyone would be super-cautious about charging a smart device from it.

Back in 2016 the web-browsing feature of New York City’s new sidewalk Wi-Fi kiosks were disabled after critics complained that homeless people were monopolising them, and using them to watch porn.

The homeless folks would be better served with actual sheltering street furniture from the weather elements, instead of served with ads and other exposures.

There has also been issues of privacy due to it's front-facing cameras.

ToddyDoody · 23-09-2019 4:19pm

New age phoneboxes?

Are we talking incense and dream catchers?

Cienciano · 23-09-2019 4:36pm

I tried to use a phone box last year on O'Connell Street. Tried about 6 of them and none of them worked.

petros1980 · 23-09-2019 4:37pm

They already have these in London. They are free to use and you can also charge phones on them. Fairly useful to be honest! Is the plan for them to be free to use in Dublin?

kirving · 23-09-2019 7:02pm

listermint wrote: »

Wait.

Did you equate our electricity prices to the fact we have rural housing.

With zero correlation or fact based evidence to back it up.

Excellent. Excellent work..

Maybe I've missed a big dose of sarcasm, but you're not arguing the sentiment, just the evidence. To be fair, it's pretty hard to argue against.

It makes perfect sense to me. Now obviously our taxes and high cost economy contribute towards this also, but they're shown on the chart too.

Infrastructure costs in the countryside are many multiples of those in Dublin per connection, and one-off houses even more so - no arguing that. It stands to reason that infrastructure costs (amongst other things) are recouped through service charges.

All rural infrastructure in this country is hindered by the fact that, per user, everything cost more outiside the city, it's not just limited to eir or ESB.

I'm from Dublin but live and work in the west. In my experience, it's only ever those who live outside of Dublin take issue with the statement that Dublin/city dwellers heavily subsidise rural areas.

As a general rule, those who I've talked to who live in rural area don't think they should pay any more money for services that cost far more to deliver to them.

Now individuals will live where ever they're allowed, be it cheap land, near relatives, or just for a better view. Hopelessly flawed planning by local councils allows one of housing just about everywhere, leading to much of our rural infrastructure woes.

Eir planning new age phoneboxes for Dublin

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