More Signs Ecological Endgame Is Coming?

CalamariFritti · 19-10-2017 6:39pm #1

From a another study we already learned earlier this year that we decimated roughly 2/3 of all wild living animals in the world since 1970. Today many leading papers report on a scientific study showing we also 'lost' 75% of all flying insects since the late 80ies.

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Are we reaching soon the point of no return, is ecological endgame near? And why is this not number one in the headlines, but buried deep down somewhere in the environment section if it makes the headlines at all?

We are really living on borrowed time now aren't we? We are going to destroy all habitats and all ecological environments and ultimately ourselves, aren't we?

To me this is a rhetorical question. I have thought this to be true since I was a teenager.

What does everyone else think and more importantly what do people think can be done to stop and reverse all this? What can we do to shake people and politics up and everyone and everything out of their apathy and ignorance before it is too late?

Harry Palmr · 19-10-2017 6:50pm

Once again we're sleepwalking into calamity, a world obsessed with cheap food and eating lots of meat and dairy products has created a growing environment which is built around chemical control of the natural world combined with agricultural monoculture which starves us of biodiversity.

We reap what we sow

The_Valeyard · 19-10-2017 6:51pm

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Once again we're sleepwalking into calamity, a world obsessed with cheap food and eating lots of meat and dairy products has created a growing environment which is built around chemical control of the natural world combined with agricultural monoculture which starves us of biodiversity.

We reap what we sow

What's your solution? Vegan diets and seaweed?

Tilikum · 19-10-2017 6:51pm

By the year 2050, there’ll be more plastic in our oceans that fish.

server down · 19-10-2017 6:58pm

Odd report that. From the graph you’d think this should have been noticed years ago.

Roger_007 · 19-10-2017 7:03pm

I was in the north of Scotland last summer and I can assure everyone that there is NO reduction in the number of midges..........(the little feckers).

CalamariFritti · 19-10-2017 7:05pm

The_Valeyard wrote: »

What's your solution? Vegan diets and seaweed?

Sustainable? Not heaping millions of tons of Pestizides onto our lands? Not killing everything for a cheap buck? Not exploiting everything, raxing things to the ground for the sake of ‘the economy’. Do away with this folly of everlasting growth?

Ulysses Gaze · 19-10-2017 7:07pm

The_Valeyard wrote: »

What's your solution? Vegan diets and seaweed?

Soylent Green?

server down · 19-10-2017 7:08pm

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Sustainable? Not heaping millions of tons of Pestizides onto our lands? Not killing everything for a cheap buck? Not exploiting everything, raxing things to the ground for the sake of ‘the economy’. Do away with this folly of everlasting growth?

People do be complaining about austerity though dey do.

CalamariFritti · 19-10-2017 7:11pm

Well they will be complaining about collapsing ecosystems. I'm sure of that. Because that won't be pretty.

nice_guy80 · 19-10-2017 7:13pm

Roger_007 wrote: »

I was in the north of Scotland last summer and I can assure everyone that there is NO reduction in the number of midges..........(the little feckers).

where are the birds and other insects to control them?

server down · 19-10-2017 7:14pm

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Well they will be complaining about collapsing ecosystems. I'm sure of that. Because that won't be pretty.

So what we need is growth and no collapsing ecosystems. That’s probably within the wit of mankind.

Either reduce or replace these pesticides.

Yakult · 19-10-2017 7:20pm

The world is ****ed, simple as. And the sooner we are wiped off this planet, the better is will be for the species left to rebuild and flourish on the hollow planet we've created.

Ulysses Gaze · 19-10-2017 7:23pm

8 billion on Earth by 2024, 9 billion by 2040

The planet simply does not have the resources for that many human beings

It will lead to our extinction event.

Ipso · 19-10-2017 7:23pm

The_Valeyard wrote: »

What's your solution? Vegan diets and seaweed?

I've got some natural, chemical free food in my pantry that you should try.

Ipso · 19-10-2017 7:24pm

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

8 billion on Earth by 2024, 9 billion by 2040

The planet simply does not have the resources for that many human beings

It will lead to our extinction event.

Bill Gates is working on that, according to the conspiracy theory forum.

Hande hoche! · 19-10-2017 7:25pm

Some kind of virus to wipe out about 90% of the population. Then Captain Chandler can save the remainder.

CalamariFritti · 19-10-2017 7:25pm

server down wrote: »

So what we need is growth and no collapsing ecosystems. That’s probably within the wit of mankind.

Either reduce or replace these pesticides.

It should be. Maybe treat nature as a valuable asset. In the literal sense. Within the current economical system even. Incentivise zero emission, zero impact. Impose penalty systems for over-fishing, razing forests, mono-cultures etc. Reward preservation and restoration. Make 50% of all land wildlife reserves, no messin. Something drastic by our standards.

Ulysses Gaze · 19-10-2017 7:26pm

Ipso wrote: »

Bill Gates is working on that, according to the conspiracy theory forum.

Is that the UN Agenda 21 conspiracy? Or is it another one.

To tell you the truth with all these conspiracies about malevolent forces controlling us like puppets, it's easy to get confused.

But...wait a minute....maybe that's what THEY want.....

Ipso · 19-10-2017 7:28pm

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Is that the UN Agenda 21 conspiracy?

No that's a different one. I think the population control one ties to the Georgia Guide Stones, people have been predicting the population cull for a while now, going to happen any minute (as the population sky rockets, no less).

Will I Am Not · 19-10-2017 7:29pm

Sure we will just invent something to fix it. Humans are great. Up the humans.

CalamariFritti · 19-10-2017 7:29pm

Yakult wrote: »

The world is ****ed, simple as. And the sooner we are wiped off this planet, the better is will be for the species left to rebuild and flourish on the hollow planet we've created.

Not yet ***ed, badly dented, but not yet ***ed. But it looks like we're just not going to bother about it too much until it will be too late. Therefore I agree with you, sadly. And in the long run it won't matter, but for the current crop including ourselves it's not looking great.

jackboy · 19-10-2017 7:29pm

Massive population decrease is the only solution. It will happen in a series of catastrophic events. I can't see how this can be avoided at this stage.

Harry Palmr · 19-10-2017 7:43pm

Another aspect of this is the loss of top soil, the current rate of degradation suggests that there are about 60 growing seasons left before we start to starve unless we make changes.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/only-60-years-of-farming-left-if-soil-degradation-continues/#

server down · 19-10-2017 7:46pm

jackboy wrote: »

Massive population decrease is the only solution. It will happen in a series of catastrophic events. I can't see how this can be avoided at this stage.

This kind of thing always brings out this misanthropes.

CalamariFritti · 19-10-2017 7:56pm

server down wrote: »

This kind of thing always brings out this misanthropes.

Even the most optimistic people will have to agree it's absolutely possible this is whats going to happen.

wakka12 · 19-10-2017 7:58pm

The world is completely doomed, not in our lifetime but we are going to leave one ****ty world for future generations to grow up in if its even barely habitable by then. Nobody cares about the environment as its not directly affecting them right now, incredibly a very large amount of people dont even believe in man made climate change. No change large enough will come about until its too late

We are extremely lucky fossil fuels will run out soon and we will be forced to use other renewable sources and just maybe we will be able to stop causing too much damage before its too late.

CalamariFritti · 19-10-2017 8:00pm

It's quite an elephant in the room.

Pero_Bueno · 19-10-2017 8:08pm

CalamariFritti wrote: »

From a another study we already learned earlier this year that we decimated roughly 2/3 of all wild living animals in the world since 1970. Today many leading papers report on a scientific study showing we also 'lost' 75% of all flying insects since the late 80ies.

Link

Are we reaching soon the point of no return, is ecological endgame near? And why is this not number one in the headlines, but buried deep down somewhere in the environment section if it makes the headlines at all?

We are really living on borrowed time now aren't we? We are going to destroy all habitats and all ecological environments and ultimately ourselves, aren't we?

To me this is a rhetorical question. I have thought this to be true since I was a teenager.

What does everyone else think and more importantly what do people think can be done to stop and reverse all this? What can we do to shake people and politics up and everyone and everything out of their apathy and ignorance before it is too late?

People will bury their heads in the sand and continue having 4+ kids.

These morons don't even realise it's their own kids that will suffer this world.

Pero_Bueno · 19-10-2017 8:11pm

Roger_007 wrote: »

I was in the north of Scotland last summer and I can assure everyone that there is NO reduction in the number of midges..........(the little feckers).

Ive heard there's loads of the little feckers in the north of Norway too in the summer!!

wtf!!

server down · 19-10-2017 8:32pm

Pero_Bueno wrote: »

People will bury their heads in the sand and continue having 4+ kids.

These morons don't even realise it's their own kids that will suffer this world.

Very few people in the west having that number kids.

SEPT 23 1989 · 19-10-2017 8:49pm

We always find a way to solve problems thats why we are top of the tree

Let there be no panic

Harry Palmr · 19-10-2017 9:06pm

Things to kill us off as they come together in this century

- antibiotic residue
- low soil fertility
- insect decline
- climate change

gk5000 · 19-10-2017 9:25pm

What plants or animals has Ireland lost in the last 50 years?

Why does all gloomster/doomster forecasts want "other people" to do something?

Why don't all those who want a reduced population to "save the planet" volunteer and reduce themselves?

mzungu · 19-10-2017 9:26pm

Pero_Bueno wrote: »

People will bury their heads in the sand and continue having 4+ kids.

Not many have that amount.

CalamariFritti · 19-10-2017 10:25pm

gk5000 wrote: »

What plants or animals has Ireland lost in the last 50 years?

Why does all gloomster/doomster forecasts want "other people" to do something?

Why don't all those who want a reduced population to "save the planet" volunteer and reduce themselves?

So you think everything is alright?

jackboy · 19-10-2017 10:40pm

server down wrote: »

This kind of thing always brings out this misanthropes.

Ignorant insults are easy.

It's hardly controversial to believe that mankind is heading for catastrophe. I would love to hear a good opinion on why it won't happen.

dresden8 · 19-10-2017 10:48pm

CalamariFritti wrote: »

It's quite an elephant in the room.

Except there won't be any elephants in any room.

jaxxx · 19-10-2017 10:49pm

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

8 billion on Earth by 2024, 9 billion by 2040

The planet simply does not have the resources for that many human beings

It will lead to our extinction event.

100 years ago, the global population was around the 2 billion mark. Quadrupled in 100 years. Those numbers alone scare the poop out of me. Another interesting statistic, the population of trees on the planet has been more than halved since the evolution of modern humans. This rock is dying and honestly I think we're passed the point of no return. And all that doesn't even factor in the area coverage of humanity, areas that we have stripped from wildlife hence the destruction and massive reduction of ecological systems. The planet's best hope, and by extension every other form of life, is our extinction or us leaving this planet entirely.

soups05 · 19-10-2017 10:52pm

yeeessss, go us. in the battle of man v nature we are finally winning. we will kick that mother's ass and man will reign supreme.

Tuco88 · 19-10-2017 10:54pm

Overpopulation is the problem.

Anyway now its like trying to fix the un-fixable might as well ride it out with no fecks given, sad really.

The only cure... Total self destruction and its going to happen at some point with a super bug or whatever.

jaxxx · 19-10-2017 10:55pm

Tuco88 wrote: »

Overpopulation is the problem.

Anyway now its like trying to fix the un-fixable might as well ride it out with no fecks given, sad really.

The only cure... Total self destruction and its going to happen at some point with a super bug or whatever.

Or Trump or Kim Jong-Un :cool:

gozunda · 19-10-2017 11:05pm

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Once again we're sleepwalking into calamity, a world obsessed with cheap food and eating lots of meat and dairy products has created a growing environment which is built around chemical control of the natural world combined with agricultural monoculture which starves us of biodiversity.

We reap what we sow

I think you are missing the obvious here

Overpopulation is the single main issue with the planet. Humans and other animals have been eating each other for millennia. With so many humans on the planet there is an obvious imbalance in the use of all resources. Carnivores arnt the problem that vegans would lead you to believe ...

It has been said that the only environmentally friendly human is a dead one - that goes whether they are vegan or otherwise ...

server down · 19-10-2017 11:07pm

jackboy wrote: »

Ignorant insults are easy.

It's hardly controversial to believe that mankind is heading for catastrophe. I would love to hear a good opinion on why it won't happen.

There’s nothing ignorant in attacking Malthusian ideologies. They are always wrong. Smarter people than you will fix this.

BillyBobBS · 19-10-2017 11:09pm

Tilikum wrote: »

By the year 2050, there’ll be more plastic in our oceans that fish.

Ummmm. Plastic fish

server down · 19-10-2017 11:09pm

I always wonder why those who argue over population continue to exist, and in many cases have children themselves.

jaxxx · 19-10-2017 11:13pm

server down wrote: »

I always wonder why those who argue over population continue to exist, and in many cases have children themselves.

So you're suggesting that anyone who thinks that ours species is overpopulated should.....? Or am I misreading you completely?

Autochange · 19-10-2017 11:16pm

The problem is there are too many people. Individual governments should limit its citizens to 1 child per couple. This in time would obviously drastically cut the population. Robots can do more and more jobs moving forward.

Luckily most of us on here will be dead before it really effects so so its not our problem.

gozunda · 19-10-2017 11:17pm

jaxxx wrote: »

So you're suggesting that anyone who thinks that ours species is overpopulated should.....? Or am I misreading you completely?

That would leave the breeders to rule the planet ...

jackboy · 19-10-2017 11:27pm

server down wrote: »

There’s nothing ignorant in attacking Malthusian ideologies. They are always wrong. Smarter people than you will fix this.

Hopefully. Things are rapidly getting worse despite all these smart people. I hope they start solving the big problems soon.

server down · 20-10-2017 1:02am

jaxxx wrote: »

So you're suggesting that anyone who thinks that ours species is overpopulated should.....? Or am I misreading you completely?

No, not at all. You are reading me clearly.

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