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Sony have blocked the install of Kodi on Android TV

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,360 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    EdgeCase wrote: »
    Depends how it's done. A lot of systems have DRM capabilities and manage copyright material but don't attempt to implement them by brute force and absolute inflexibility.

    Sony has a history of trying to hobble tech for business reason, rather than adapting business models as technology changes.

    I’m not in favour of content makers not being paid. If revenue dried up, so would good content. However, I think crude blocking of an app because it might compete is nonsense and that’s been part of a repeating pattern for this company.

    My understanding is, that it was mainly intended for managing some sort of controlled authentication for streaming service's. But with Netflix constantly closing out devices that can't access it themselves, I'm not sure if they'll pursue it, and if not, doubt others would too.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,714 ✭✭✭BandMember


    I have Kodi installed on my Sony android tv and it works perfectly, as do third party sideloaded apps. However, I'm guessing that this might be stopped with a firmware update in the future? Also, the apps probably won't update or be able to be updated?


  • Registered Users Posts: 36,166 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    EdgeCase wrote: »
    I remember they put software on Sony Music CDs to prevent "ripping" to MP3 libraries which opened serious security vulnerabilities on Windows machines and caused Macs to crash and become unable to eject the CD.

    It's one or the main reasons Sony lost its shine for me and it's never been restored.

    Sony put a virus on millions of music CDs, software is too generous a monicker.

    They're a bit like Nintendo. C#nts.


  • Registered Users Posts: 55,462 ✭✭✭✭Mr E


    ED E wrote: »
    They're a bit like Nintendo. C#nts.

    ??

    I understand what you're saying about Sony, but what did Nintendo ever do to you?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,556 ✭✭✭dubrov


    Sad to see this. I was weighing up getting a Sony Android TV or just going for a good panel and good android box.

    Looks like the decision is made


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  • Registered Users Posts: 811 ✭✭✭Rock Paper Scissors


    Amazon have Kodi and all IPTV platforms blocked on their new 4K Fire TV box.
    Impossible to sideload.
    Next Firestick software update will extend this to firesticks.


    Absolutely not true....It takes 5 minutes to sideload Kodi, IPTV apps and all the other movie apps to a Fire TV Box

    You say the next Firestick update will extend this to the Fire Stick 4K.

    What's your source for this information?

    If this is true (which I doubt) I'll just install the playstore onto my Fire Stick 4K, Instructions are on XDA forums


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,456 ✭✭✭The high horse brigade


    dubrov wrote: »
    Sad to see this. I was weighing up getting a Sony Android TV or just going for a good panel and good android box.

    Looks like the decision is made

    All smart TVs are crap, it's a marketing gimmick. You will always get a much better experience from a separate box or dongle


  • Registered Users Posts: 19 grahamb1


    Important MAG device users
    *****************************

    So Informir which are the makers of MAG Devices have been informed by courts to block all portals which are on the "list" for IPTV streaming. For to copyright reason.

    Blocking MAG BOX Portal only.
    *******************************


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,273 ✭✭✭UsedToWait


    grahamb1 wrote: »
    Important MAG device users
    *****************************

    So Informir which are the makers of MAG Devices have been informed by courts to block all portals which are on the "list" for IPTV streaming. For to copyright reason.

    Blocking MAG BOX Portal only.
    *******************************

    I assume this will also affect STBemu and similar?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 217 ✭✭Cockford Ollie


    http://www.aftvnews.com/sony-is-actively-blocking-the-installation-of-kodi-on-their-bravia-televisions-running-android-tv/

    "Veterans of Amazon’s Fire TV devices will surely remember when Amazon removed Kodi from the official Fire TV app store for the same false reputation of facilitating piracy. Amazon has, however, never prevented Kodi from being sideloaded or run on Fire TV devices, which is what Sony is now doing for their Android TV televisions"

    So it hasn't been blocked on any Fire TV. Why do people say things which are just so factually incorrect.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 217 ✭✭Cockford Ollie


    All smart TVs are crap, it's a marketing gimmick. You will always get a much better experience from a separate box or dongle

    Not strictly true. Playing a movie directly on a TV, especially with a Sony, will produce superior image quality compared to an external box which is doing very basic upscaling, if we are talking about playing a 720p or 1080p movie or IPTV with a 4k TV.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,456 ✭✭✭The high horse brigade


    UsedToWait wrote: »
    I assume this will also affect STBemu and similar?

    No, STBEmu emulates a mag box, the Mac address is completely fabricated and the software doesn't come from the manufactures of mag boxes


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,456 ✭✭✭The high horse brigade


    Not strictly true. Playing a movie directly on a TV, especially with a Sony, will produce superior image quality compared to an external box which is doing very basic upscaling, if we are talking about playing a 720p or 1080p movie or IPTV with a 4k TV.

    I'm talking and CPU power. All smart TVs are painfully slow as they contain weak hardware compared to even a €50 fire stick


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,273 ✭✭✭UsedToWait


    No, STBEmu emulates a mag box, the Mac address is completely fabricated and the software doesn't come from the manufactures of mag boxes

    But it connects to a portal, which is what I understood is to be blocked?


  • Registered Users Posts: 19 grahamb1


    Infomir, the manufacturer of the popular MAG range of set-top boxes, says it will block the portals of suspected copyright-infringing IPTV providers following complaints from copyright holders. While MAG devices are used to access plenty of legal services, the news will come as a blow to large numbers of customers who use the very capable devices to access unauthorized platforms.

    Over the past couple of years, unauthorized IPTV services have been making their presence known in the ‘pirate’ TV space.

    As recently reported, pirate IPTV services are accessed by 5.5% of US and Canadian households. The range of content is phenomenal, with few – if any – official entertainment companies in a position to compete.

    Such services are typically accessed via set-top boxes, from ubiquitous Android-based platforms through to dedicated IPTV hardware. None of these devices are designed to be infringing but with the addition of third-party services, they can be transformed into piracy powerhouses.

    For those looking for a premium IPTV experience, the MAG box range from Ukraine-based Infomir are the tools of choice. The compact devices are used by thousands of consumers to access legitimate content via a beautiful interface but like any such hardware, these boxes can also be used to access infringing streams.

    Infomir has understandably distanced itself from this kind of illicit consumption but until now doesn’t appear to have interfered with the choices of its customers. Moving forward, however, it’s clear that will change.

    “Infomir is an international company operating in over 150 countries globally. As a manufacturer of multimedia devices, we are subject to copyright and related rights legislation, which we respect and adhere to,†the company says.

    “Upon receiving complaints from a copyright holder, Infomir is obliged to restrict access from its devices to any portal suspected of copyright infringement. The restriction will be maintained until the issue with the copyright holder is resolved.â€

    IPTV services (both legal and less so) often supply a URL which enables MAG and similar devices to access their ‘portal’. These are entered into the device’s setup page, with the box typically being authorized at the provider’s end by verifying its MAC address against a pre-registered one.

    However, Infomir appears able to prevent certain portal URLs from being accessed via its set-top devices and there are some unconfirmed reports online which indicate this may be happening already.

    TorrentFreak spoke with Infomir to find out more about this development. Will the company block portals following straightforward copyright complaints, for example, or is a court order required?

    “The complaints need not be necessarily backed up by a court order. The form and contents of a copyright complaint must conform to the DMCA requirements,†Infomir Legal Counsel Vladislav Larionov informs TF.

    “Our policy is to comply with the EU and US legislation on copyright and take into account best practices in the area of handling of copyright infringement reports. In particular, we only process the reports of copyright infringement that contain all the elements of notification envisaged by the DMCA.â€

    Some IPTV providers not only provide access to ‘pirate’ streams but also other content that has the potential to be non-infringing, depending on a users’ circumstances. For instance, there could be questions raised over legality when the holder of a UK TV license only accesses BBC One and similar channels via an IPTV service.

    Speaking in more general terms, TF asked Infomir if over-blocking is a concern. The company told us that they require detailed complaints from rightsholders to block portals and they give services that are blocked the right to file a counter-complaint.

    “We respect the rights of legitimate service providers, and we are concerned that such service providers might be reported by mistake or due to misidentification. That is why we request that copyright infringement reports submitted to us comply with the DMCA and contain a statement under penalty of perjury that the report is true and accurate,†Larionov explains.

    “We also review each copyright infringement report to prevent false or abusive ones. Finally, we provide every service provider with a possibility to oppose a copyright infringement report. In case there is a dispute between a copyright holder and a service provider, we will request a court order to maintain access restriction to a portal.â€

    While copyright holders who file for blocking injunctions in court can be identified fairly easily, discovering who has filed a complaint with Infomir is less straightforward. The company told TF that it cannot provide information on who has requested a block other than to say it is mostly “big copyright holders, anti-piracy associations, and companies that provide copyright management and protection services.â€

    Finally, it’s not entirely clear how MAG devices are prevented from accessing portal URLs and Infomir informs TF that it won’t provide that information as it might “downgrade†its “access restriction systemâ€. There is already some speculation on specialist forums that firmware updates may be responsible but no clear confirmation is currently available


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,556 ✭✭✭dubrov


    All smart TVs are crap, it's a marketing gimmick. You will always get a much better experience from a separate box or dongle

    I'm talking and CPU power. All smart TVs are painfully slow as they contain weak hardware compared to even a €50 fire stick

    That depends on the tv you buy. I would definitely pay a premium to have all functions in a single device.

    A T.V. with something like the nvidia shield built in would be very attractive


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,456 ✭✭✭The high horse brigade


    That just means you won't be able to use official mag boxes for illegal streams


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 10,952 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stoner


    All smart TVs are crap, it's a marketing gimmick. You will always get a much better experience from a separate box or dongle


    Not really true. Certainly not as relevant a comment as it was three years ago.

    I'm on my second Sony Android TV.

    I've all the apps mention here.

    Its all on the one remote control, the Sony remote controls my amp too.

    I don't game on it, I've tried it, but im not an Android gamer. I've a PS4 for gaming. PS4 controller links up very well to it too.

    The only issue with Sony Android TVs is the rubbish EPG

    But Netflix, IPTV, Prime, Kodi, Plex

    Zero issues, getting better too, no need for a side loading menu apps now either.

    Maybe understanding why each device is best rocks some people's boat, and that knowledge beats the single appliance solution,

    But one device for rocks for me

    One remote
    Built in Chromecast
    Home assistant on the TV, mic on the remote
    All the apps I need
    Controls the AMP

    Hopefully continuing Kodi via sideloading works

    I think the TV business was separated from the media side a few years ago, freed them up considerably.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,456 ✭✭✭The high horse brigade


    dubrov wrote: »
    That depends on the tv you buy. I would definitely pay a premium to have all functions in a single device.

    A T.V. with something like the nvidia shield built in would be very attractive

    I hope you've very deep pockets :-*

    http://www.aftvnews.com/nvidias-first-65-inch-gaming-tv-with-a-built-in-shield-tv-will-be-released-next-month-for-4999/?fbclid=IwAR2r1PubBUjNMBHRD35fh2J1cUQIwn1BFLXZe0E2jQcsLi5ZnLOGhLgwErQ


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,556 ✭✭✭dubrov


    I hope you've very deep pockets :-*

    I have now found my true meaning in life


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,055 ✭✭✭UrbanFret


    grahamb1 wrote: »
    Important MAG device users
    *****************************

    So Informir which are the makers of MAG Devices have been informed by courts to block all portals which are on the "list" for IPTV streaming. For to copyright reason.

    Blocking MAG BOX Portal only.
    *******************************


    Source???:rolleyes:

    The above info is pre christmas.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,556 ✭✭✭dubrov


    UrbanFret wrote:
    Source???


    Makes no sense as it would kill their business overnight


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,055 ✭✭✭UrbanFret


    dubrov wrote: »
    Makes no sense as it would kill their business overnight
    Oh that is their official line at the moment. If the copyright holders file a complaint they have to act. However if they are doing it without the knowledge or permission of the boxes end user then they themselves are breaking the law. I suspect they add the black list to the firmware updates so if you disable auto updates you should be fine. Although That's only my opinion. :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,150 ✭✭✭how.gareth


    UrbanFret wrote: »
    Source???:rolleyes:

    The above info is pre christmas.

    My mag box was blocked twice by informir in the last 2 months whilst using 2 different iptv subs. A copyright warning appears on screen, supplier beat it by changing portal but the official mag boxes are doomed in the future I reckon, hopefully there will be a reliable replacement from a different manufacturer who dosnt allow themselves to be bullied by the big media corporations


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,055 ✭✭✭UrbanFret


    how.gareth wrote: »
    My mag box was blocked twice by informir in the last 2 months whilst using 2 different iptv subs. A copyright warning appears on screen, supplier beat it by changing portal but the official mag boxes are doomed in the future I reckon, hopefully there will be a reliable replacement from a different manufacturer who dosnt allow themselves to be bullied by the big media corporations


    Do You know had you Firmware updates enabled or disabled?


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,215 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    The mag boxes with the old/alternative official firmware flashed to it works anyway, as do custom firmwares. But I don't think it's as straightforward for Kodi.
    Sony could/should have chosen to have a custom version of Kodi. That would allow many functions, but prevent many others. Whoever was in charge of that was either very lazy or didn't understand it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,215 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    how.gareth wrote: »
    hopefully there will be a reliable replacement from a different manufacturer who dosnt allow themselves to be bullied by the big media corporations


    There already are plenty. Better too.


  • Registered Users Posts: 37,295 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    Stoner wrote: »
    I'm on my second Sony Android TV.
    What happened the other Sony Android TV?

    A relative is on their 4th android box. The TV is still (touch wood) going grand. It's from when 1080p was "high spec", before BluRay players became available.

    A mate has a Smart TV, but he has to watch Netflix on his PS4, as the Smart TV apps haven't been updated in quite some time.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,456 ✭✭✭The high horse brigade


    the_syco wrote: »
    .A mate has a Smart TV, but he has to watch Netflix on his PS4, as the Smart TV apps haven't been updated in quite some time.

    This is the trouble, your depending on the TV manufacturer for app updates. I've seen older LG smart TVs don't get the latest version of Emby app.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,215 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    dubrov wrote: »
    Makes no sense as it would kill their business overnight
    That has been done for a long time. They were behind one of the largest illegal IPTV providers being arrested (up to that point there was no real clue as to where they operated from) around this time last year. That opened it up it wide for other 'providers'.
    They seem to now go after the people that supply the streams.
    Their business is not reliant on people buying illegal iptv. They have already made a lot of money from that and they could probably help fund many legal IPTV services now to help their business grow.

    i.e. It could be in their interest to encourage 100% legal streams.


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