UFC 241: Cormier vs. Miocic 2

The Nal · 18-08-2019 11:40am

Certainly a trilogy on the cards now. Can't not happen really.

Brussels Sprout · 18-08-2019 2:30pm

chrisbonnie wrote: »

There's not an ounce of head movement from either fighter. It looks to me like their strategy is they'll hit each other, and they'll see who's face can withstand the most damage. It's pretty archaic really

That's HW for you

riffmongous · 18-08-2019 7:49pm

DC often seems to give up on his wrestling when he's winning, if he'd stuck with it he'd have won this one too. I could see another rematch

Zero-Cool · 18-08-2019 9:39pm

Jesus Max, let me grab the tissues first.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B1UWYyYBF29/?igshid=mml3u8g3k72j

Homelander · 19-08-2019 7:37am

That really was one hell of a card.

rob316 · 19-08-2019 11:37am

What a fun card.

Romero and Costa, two granite chins! Each of them calling each other into the centre was just awesome. $50k bonuses well deserved!

Nate looked so good after 3 years off, that's no easy feat picking apart Pettis like he did. Excellent pressure throughout, I can't wait for him and Jorge.

Stipe with possibly the best recovery around I've seen, for 3 rounds he had absolutely nothing for DC. That change up to the body shots was genius, gutted for DC but I think he was too cocky, he gave no respect to Stipe's power and he should of stuck to his wrestling and seen it out. Delighted Stipe is the champ again though, he one tough SOB. The retirement bells are ringing for DC now but I hope he has one more fight left in him.

The Nal · 19-08-2019 11:45am

I'd say DC is gutted the Lesnar fight didn't happen. 500k for the fight. Would've earned 3 or 4 times that for a Lesnar fight.

rob316 · 19-08-2019 11:53am

The Nal wrote: »

I'd say DC is gutted the Lesnar fight didn't happen. 500k for the fight. Would've earned 3 or 4 times that for a Lesnar fight.

Ya I would have liked to see him get paid, deserves it like. He could still get a decent enough payday with a trilogy fight against Stipe or Jones but that quiver in his voice Saturday said to me he's done.

AlmightyCushion · 19-08-2019 11:55am

rob316 wrote: »

Ya I would have liked to see him get paid, deserves it like. He could still get a decent enough payday with a trilogy fight against Stipe or Jones but that quiver in his voice Saturday said to me he's done.

He was worse in his interview as the second fight with Jones. He might decide to call it a day but I wouldn't say he's done based on his interview.

The Rooster · 19-08-2019 12:00pm

Full salaries for UFC 241 as provided by the California State Athletic Commission:

Stipe Miocic: $800,000 — $750,000 flat fee plus $50,000 for ‘Performance of the Night’
Daniel Cormier: $500,000 flat fee.
Nate Diaz: $250,000 flat fee.
Anthony Pettis: $155,000
Paulo Costa: $170,000 — $60,000 to show, $60,000 to win plus $50,000 for ‘Fight of the Night’
Yoel Romero: $200,000 — $150,000 to show plus $50,000 for ‘Fight of the Night’
Sodiq Yusuff: $28,000 — $14,000 to show, $14,000 to win
Gabriel Benitez: $40,000
Derek Brunson: $190,000 — $95,000 to show, $95,000 to win
Ian Heinisch: $25,000
Khama Worthy: $74,000 — $12,000 to show, $12,000 to win plus $50,000 for ‘Performance of the Night’
Devonte Smith: $23,000
Cory Sandhagen: $154,000 — $77,000 to show, $77,000 to win
Raphael Assuncao: $79,000
Drakkar Klose: $56,000 — $28,000 to show, $28,000 to win
Christos Giagos: $28,000
Casey Kenney: $28,000 — $14,000 to show, $14,000 to win
Manny Bermudez: $20,000
Hannah Cifers: $28,000 — $14,000 to show, $14,000 to win
Jodie Esquibel: $10,000
Kyung Ho Kang: $44,000 — $22,000 to show, $22,000 to win
Brandon Davis: $21,000
Sabina Mazo: $20,000 — $10,000 to show, $10,000 to win
Shana Dobson: $12,000

Surprised that Miocic's flat fee was 50% bigger than Cormier's. Neither were getting a win bonus. Maybe DC was getting more in PPV hits?

Mellor · 19-08-2019 12:07pm

DC is definitely getting a PPV slice.

Tazzimus · 19-08-2019 12:09pm

Mellor wrote: »

DC is definitely getting a PPV slice.

Was just gonna say this.
He is 100% getting a PPV cut, so should make a bit more than the "official" figures

Subcomandante Marcos · 19-08-2019 1:20pm

The Nal wrote: »

I'd say DC is gutted the Lesnar fight didn't happen. 500k for the fight. Would've earned 3 or 4 times that for a Lesnar fight.

He'll still earn several times more than than. 500k + ppv points. Himself, Miocic, Diaz and Petis will all make a few million from PPV points.

rob316 · 19-08-2019 2:17pm

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

He'll still earn several times more than than. 500k + ppv points. Himself, Miocic, Diaz and Petis will all make a few million from PPV points.

No they won't make that much, I'm going to guess the buy rate on this won't be much more than 600k. I doubt Stipe and Petitis are getting points, Diaz maybe, Cormier yes.

walshb · 19-08-2019 3:09pm

Jones should step up. Beats Stipe handily!

Subcomandante Marcos · 19-08-2019 3:20pm

rob316 wrote: »

No they won't make that much, I'm going to guess the buy rate on this won't be much more than 600k. I doubt Stipe and Petitis are getting points, Diaz maybe, Cormier yes.

600k still = several million each.
All 4 of the main and co-main get points.

rob316 · 19-08-2019 3:35pm

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

600k still = several million each.
All 4 of the main and co-main get points.

They are not getting that much, no chance.

Jamiekelly · 19-08-2019 3:58pm

Main and Co-main of PPV cards always get points on the PPV. The agents they have negotiating their contracts would make that priority number one if they had any brain cells at all. The amount of % of the PPV is definitely variable depending on drawing power though. Diaz, for example, would almost certainly be getting more PPV % points than Stipe and Pettis.

Anything over 500k buys means most would walk away with a few million at least.

xtal191 · 19-08-2019 4:37pm

Hasn't the ESPN deal completely changed how PPV points work now?

I could've sworn I read about fighters getting way less money from PPV since the ESPN deal

cletus · 19-08-2019 4:40pm

You are vastly overestimating how much is made on ppv points. Below is a report on this very topic, giving a breakdown of how much at each step a fighter gets.

Essentially, a 600,000 buy card would net $750,000 in ppv points.

Also, other info released as part of the antitrust lawsuit suggest normally only the Champion is on ppv points, not just main carders, and almost definitely not co-main, unless it's also a championship fight.

Note, the UFC do not stick rigidly to the outline below, but in general it's how it works

https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2019/8/8/20754613/ufc-lawsuit-docs-ppv-paydays-for-conor-mcgregor-ronda-rousey-jon-jones-and-brock-lesnar-mma-news

Fromvert · 19-08-2019 4:49pm

They don't always get points, there's been a few contracts come out recently through the legal action. For example when they were negotiating with Roy Nelson back in 2013, Lorenzo Fertitta said

'I offered 9 fights 125+50 for regular bout, 500 flat for title fight, 500 plus ppv if defending. If ppv does 600k buys he makes 1.1m. Very fair offer.'

So in this case Roy would only get points if he was defending the belt, not just challenging and never mind getting anything for being Co-main. The UFC do not give out an extra cent they don't need to. If I was guessing, DC would definitely get points and very likely Nate would too, Pettis and Stipe I'd be doubtful.

https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2019/8/13/20758629/ufc-lawsuit-docs-reveal-joe-silva-negotiation-tactics-nick-diaz-roy-nelson-hector-lombard-mma-news

Edit: Cletus has info above on it too.

xtal191 wrote: »

Hasn't the ESPN deal completely changed how PPV points work now?

I could've sworn I read about fighters getting way less money from PPV since the ESPN deal

And I'm sure I heard this somewhere too, and was mentioned as a possible stumbling block in the Brock Lesnar negotiations.

pauldoo · 20-08-2019 7:04am

https://mmajunkie.usatoday.com/2019/08/csac-13-fighters-at-ufc-241-broke-rules-on-weight-gain

Why would DC gain so much weight between the weigh in and fight??

ASOT · 20-08-2019 7:08am

Jesus Costa nearly gained back 30lbs

Mellor · 20-08-2019 8:06am

pauldoo wrote: »

Why would DC gain so much weight between the weigh in and fight??

Tazzimus · 20-08-2019 10:09am

pauldoo wrote: »

https://mmajunkie.usatoday.com/2019/08/csac-13-fighters-at-ufc-241-broke-rules-on-weight-gain

Why would DC gain so much weight between the weigh in and fight??

11lb isn't a massive amount to gain back really

Fall_Guy · 20-08-2019 12:10pm

Tazzimus wrote: »

11lb isn't a massive amount to gain back really

But kind of pointless for him? Surely he doesn't fluctuate that much in weight naturally during a day?

Tazzimus · 20-08-2019 12:12pm

Fall_Guy wrote: »

But kind of pointless for him? Surely he doesn't fluctuate that much in weight naturally during a day?

None of them would, I assume they just do it as part of the process as they've been doing it so long. Probably helps them keep focused for the camp or something.

Mellor · 20-08-2019 12:19pm

Tazzimus wrote: »

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11lb isn't a massive amount to gain back really

He was already 20lbs under the weight limit.

Tazzimus · 20-08-2019 12:20pm

Mellor wrote: »

He was already 20lbs under the weight limit.

Could just be a psychological thing, he's been cutting weight all his life.

The Nal · 20-08-2019 12:23pm

Yeah heavyweights cutting weight always seems silly to me. Why bother?

Only a few HWs have had to cut to make weight before. Lesnar, Struve, Lewis etc.

Mellor · 20-08-2019 12:27pm

Tazzimus wrote: »

Could just be a psychological thing, he's been cutting weight all his life.

Yeah. I’d imagine he’s just sticking to the routine that works for him at LHW. Only change what you need to.

JoeyJJ · 21-08-2019 9:43am

Just watched the prelims Cory Sandhagan looked very impressive, I like how there was a bit of a run on him in vegas sportsbooks too. Some jump in the rankings they put him up to 3rd !

UFC 241: Cormier vs. Miocic 2

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