Could a terror attack happen in Ireland?

Beyondgone · 14-04-2017 1:20am

Dave_The_Sheep wrote: »

Your boards.ie account is not related to your real life persona.

But if you want to claim that it is, fair enough, I can't get you to change your mind.

For future reference though, you don't get to claim something based off alleged proof you have, if you can't actually back it up.

Just a thought. All the best, and I really mean it. Play the ****ing Witcher 3.

You didn't back up your claims with stats or links though. Could I impose on you to do so?

Dave_The_Sheep · 14-04-2017 1:22am

Beyondgone wrote: »

You didn't back up your claims with stats or links though. Could I impose on you to do so?

My assertion was based purely on personal experience and never did I claim it was anything other than that (and common sense statistics).

You actually claimed you had evidence. Which is a huge difference.

dd972 · 14-04-2017 1:27am

Attackers : Allahu Akhbar!:mad:

''Ah, come on now lads!'':eek:

Attackers : Oh Alright then...Sorry.:o

Beyondgone · 14-04-2017 1:30am

Dave_The_Sheep wrote: »

My assertion was based purely on personal experience and never did I claim it was anything other than that (and common sense statistics).

You actually claimed you had evidence. Which is a huge difference.

No I didn't?

I stated my opinion.

Beyondgone · 14-04-2017 1:34am

babi-hrse wrote: »

You can't just turn around and ask someone else to prove your wrong. The onus lies on you to prove your side as your the one who threw the salacious piece into the mix

I agree 100%. Dave the sheep needs to step up and prove his/her claims. With links, sources, references, the whole nine yards.

Academic · 14-04-2017 1:37am

Intending no disrespect to the original poster, the poll question doesn't really make sense. An attack can happen anywhere.

The more reasonable question is how likely it would be to happen in Ireland.

Stephen15 · 14-04-2017 1:41am

If an attack was to happen I would the emmergency response would be terrible. It would be a while before the attack is brought under control as they wait for the eru to arrive there would have to a manhunt. Secondly would there be enough ambulances to transport the injured to hospital and even when there theyd probably be waiting for a trolley.

Dave_The_Sheep · 14-04-2017 1:49am

Beyondgone wrote: »

No I didn't? I stated my opinion.

Beyondgone wrote: »

Well, you don't speak the language the staff speak, you don't speak the language most if not almost all the other customers speak.. so what's to clarify? You're the minority. And you didn't even notice because someone loud on the internet said it wasn't true. And had statistics to prove it. Like boiling frogs..

It's entirely possible I misread the above quote. I'm not sure how but it mgiht have happened. I'm ok admitting fault there.

Even, for the sake of argument, if the above quote is not true, your posts about who and who doesn't use Lidl's/Aldi's in Ireland is bizarre. It's not focused on reality at atll. So many Irish use Lidl/Aldi it's not even funny. IT's cheaper. We're going to do it.

Strong Life in Dublin · 14-04-2017 1:54am

Stephen15 wrote: »

If an attack was to happen I would the emmergency response would be terrible. It would be a while before the attack is brought under control as they wait for the eru to arrive there would have to a manhunt. Secondly would there be enough ambulances to transport the injured to hospital and even when there theyd probably be waiting for a trolley.

Actually the response time for armed garda in Dublin would not be too bad, not greate but not horrible. I always see armed gardai jeeps doing laps around Dublin city. So I would say they could get anywhere in the cc pretty quick

Plus it depends on the type of attack, guns won't be much use for a maniac with a truck. The best defense for this is to have retractable bollards at the entrance of major streets

Ferrari3600 · 14-04-2017 2:13am

Strong Life in Dublin wrote: »

The best defense for this is to have retractable bollards at the entrance of major streets

That might be sensible, if it can be done at a reasonable cost, and controls and oversights exist.

caff · 14-04-2017 2:20am

Stephen15 wrote: »

If an attack was to happen I would the emmergency response would be terrible. It would be a while before the attack is brought under control as they wait for the eru to arrive there would have to a manhunt. Secondly would there be enough ambulances to transport the injured to hospital and even when there theyd probably be waiting for a trolley.

Bull**** assumption, emergency response quicker based on years of anti terror training from the border clashes, tiger kidnappings and recent gangland shootings. People will critcise alleged slow responses to shootings but in the context of a wider terrorist attack the response time and cordens are sound.

Rekop dog · 14-04-2017 2:22am

There's been terror attacks in Ireland for decades. The Catholic Church!

tomwaterford · 14-04-2017 2:28am

caff wrote: »

Bull**** assumption, emergency response quicker based on years of anti terror training from the border clashes, tiger kidnappings and recent gangland shootings. People will critcise alleged slow responses to shootings but in the context of a wider terrorist attack the response time and cordens are sound.

Ireland more than most countries is pretty well served by very restrictive anti-terrorism legislation.

But the gaurda response to the shooting in the regency hotel,was working in that if those who went in there and if their mission was to kill as many innocents as possible

Not turning up for 40 mins or so,would see alot of people killed??

Jimoslimos · 14-04-2017 2:28am

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

It's only the beginning.

This ain't going to stop overnight

Beginning? Twas over a decade ago Al-Qaeda were setting off multiple bombs in London and hijacking planes in the US.

These days, it's driving without due care and attention and waving kitchen knives.

Ferrari3600 · 14-04-2017 2:30am

caff wrote: »

Bull**** assumption, emergency response quicker based on years of anti terror training from the border clashes, tiger kidnappings and recent gangland shootings. People will critcise alleged slow responses to shootings but in the context of a wider terrorist attack the response time and cordens are sound.

Great to hear that our taxpayers' money is well-spent!! :pac:

Where is Ireland on the per capita murder rate, compared with international peer group? Just curious!

Jurgen Klopp · 14-04-2017 2:30am

You know i often thought it would be fairly easy for 2-3 men with just AKs

Imagine walking into Dundrum shopping centre in the weekend before Christmas when everyone is doing their shopping, have one enter from each exit and start shooting, Jesus they'd easily mow down dozens especially if one attacked from the front door and people rush to the back of the centre while another advances from that door.

Another i always thought was any normal morning on the Luas Platform in St. Stephens Green around 8am-9am surely there must be a 100 getting off the Luas that time it's packed, it would be like fish in a barrel the way everyone is slow moving coming out onto the platform

caff · 14-04-2017 2:36am

tomwaterford wrote: »

Ireland more than most countries is pretty well served by very restrictive anti-terrorism legislation.

But the gaurda response to the shooting in the regency hotel,was working in that if those who went in there and if their mission was to kill as many innocents as possible

Not turning up for 40 mins or so,would see alot of people killed??

Totally agree huge difference between a terror attack where the goal is to scare an entire populace into hiding and a gangland shooting where the goal is a clean getaway and intimidation of locals to not rat you out. Very different tactics on both sides. If you knew a sure way of responding to each you'd be a wealthy consultant.

caff · 14-04-2017 2:38am

Jurgen Klopp wrote: »

You know i often thought it would be fairly easy for 2-3 men with just AKs

Imagine walking into Dundrum shopping centre in the weekend before Christmas when everyone is doing their shopping, have one enter from each exit and start shooting, Jesus they'd easily mow down dozens especially if one attacked from the front door and people rush to the back of the centre while another advances from that door.

Another i always thought was any normal morning on the Luas Platform in St. Stephens Green around 8am-9am surely there must be a 100 getting off the Luas that time it's packed, it would be like fish in a barrel the way everyone is slow moving coming out onto the platform

It would ye, just shows how many people who imaged the same scenario after playing battlefield or cod aren't. Homicidal maniacs intent on mass murder. Amazing ye?

tomwaterford · 14-04-2017 2:39am

Jurgen Klopp wrote: »

You know i often thought it would be fairly easy for 2-3 men with just AKs

Imagine walking into Dundrum shopping centre in the weekend before Christmas when everyone is doing their shopping, have one enter from each exit and start shooting, Jesus they'd easily mow down dozens especially if one attacked from the front door and people rush to the back of the centre while another advances from that door.

Another i always thought was any normal morning on the Luas Platform in St. Stephens Green around 8am-9am surely there must be a 100 getting off the Luas that time it's packed, it would be like fish in a barrel the way everyone is slow moving coming out onto the platform

There's nothing can be done to stop this??

Anyone that dedicated to killing innocent people isn't going to be put off by difficulty in immigrating to places??

One of the worst (and most forgotten about) attacks was the Mumbai massacres,the killers there had never set foot in Mumbai before the attacks iirc
And done most of their study of street layouts etc on Google maps

caff · 14-04-2017 2:43am

Ferrari3600 wrote: »

Great to hear that our taxpayers' money is well-spent!! :pac:

Where is Ireland on the per capita murder rate, compared with international peer group? Just curious!

15th of 34 oecd, but you could google it

caff · 14-04-2017 2:50am

You can stop an attack before hand with intelligence community support and proper funding. You can respond to the aftermath with a properly resourced eru system.
You can try to prevent the situation occurring at all by strengthening the social contract. You can by no means eliminate the possibility entirely, that's just wishful thinking, Russia cant do it china can't do it, both police states!

Ferrari3600 · 14-04-2017 2:56am

caff wrote: »

15th of 34 oecd, but you could google it

I'm not arsed, and if the OECD stats are from the AGS, I wouldn't trust them.

Commonsense suggests we are much higher, unfortunately.

But, hey, never mind, youse got your pay increase.

ChikiChiki · 14-04-2017 2:58am

Dubh Linn wrote: »

Could there be IS attackers in Ireland NOW?

Yes. We tried to deport a recruiter already and the ECHR wouldn't allow it.

Ferrari3600 · 14-04-2017 2:59am

caff wrote: »

You can try to prevent the situation occurring at all by strengthening the social contract.

Agreed!

But the problem that you have is that TPTB have deliberately, cynically, and knowingly destroyed the social contract in Ireland. They have done so for money and corruption, and reasons of cynical venality.

Mountainsandh · 14-04-2017 3:29am

seamus wrote: »

Yeah there's no reason why the lone nut type of attack couldn't happen here. God knows we've plenty of our own anyway.

Big sophisticated attacks are far less likely because their intention is to provoke a response - to get a country to enact more anti-muslim policies or to get them to drop bombs somewhere. In neither arena would we make much of a difference on the world stage, so blowing your load on a large attack in Dublin would be a waste.

Good point. But from a marketing point of view, a larger attack here would also help them recruit elsewhere, I don't think that can be dismissed. When there are lots of little failed attacks like the lone wolf in Orly, or the Louvres, that kind of thing, it must be less an incentive to join for young males (than a fine big attack with lots of kudos for it).

Ubbquittious wrote: »

I suppose we could always enact some draconian privacy-invading Big Brother laws to combat imaginary terr'ism that will remain in place long after ISIS are dead and buried

Restricting immigration, tighter border controls are not Big Brother-ish actions ?

Harry Palmr wrote: »

I'd put them several levels below that! Antimicrobial resistance is one of the the most pressing issues of the next generation or so. Nutty Islamists are Vanarama League by comparison - they kill hundreds every year typically, a bacterial infection without a silver bullet will kill millions at some point the way things are going.

I see a few of these "bravado" posts, Ubbiquitous, yourself, I think there's another poster...

That's fine, impersonate Bruce Willis, sport a little smile around the corner of your lips, and let the security measures happen if you don't mind, because some of us would rather feel safe than brave.

OP yes I think it could happen here, of course. Big attack, orchestrated, or smaller lone wolf attack.

Among the threats in my opinion at this stage are our food chain and (dare I say ?) water chain. Electric Picnic and such. Also, and more so, because they host a variety of nationalities (more media exposure) : the ferry boats from France/Uk.

Canis Lupus · 14-04-2017 3:36am

Mountainsandh wrote: »

Among the threats in my opinion at this stage are our food chain.

So the cows should be terrified?

Dubh Linn · 14-04-2017 4:49am

Where is the most likely place they would attack, IF they attack.

netherlands15 · 14-04-2017 6:10am

7 OUT OF TEN POLLED BELIEVE IRELAND WILL BE HIT 70%

Dubh Linn · 14-04-2017 6:49am

I know, it is a somewhat shocking statistic.

netherlands15 · 14-04-2017 6:51am

maybe just the right wing are voting

Noddyholder · 14-04-2017 6:52am

bubblypop wrote: »

If the question is could it happen?
Then yes.

Will we be next?
No.

How do you know when or where they will strike next ?

Dubh Linn · 14-04-2017 7:51am

I think Ireland needs to do something with it's security if this is the way the people think about an attack happening on our soil..

Caparison · 14-04-2017 7:52am

No chance . We are grand lads . Shhettle down hye . Tae and a shhcone , the craic , drink , ah here lads, come OUT.

Noddyholder · 14-04-2017 7:56am

Dubh Linn wrote: »

I think Ireland needs to do something with it's security if this is the way the people think about an attack happening on our soil..

I am sure (hope) behind the scenes there are measures being taken & also cooperation between the various security forces through out Europe. But with our own major gang war & dissentent republicans I say our Garda are pretty stretched & don't forget the cost, It all comes down to the money & priority's.

netherlands15 · 14-04-2017 7:57am

you would have to think about galway,

i often walked down shop street at 8 am, 100's of people milling along and delivery trucks left outside shops with the engine running

Dubh Linn · 14-04-2017 8:39am

Just an update on the Stockholm truck attack, apparently the West was warned about the suspect:

Uzebekistan has said the Stockholm truck attack suspect was linked to IS and that it had warned "Western partners" about him.

The country's foreign minister said it had passed information on Rakhmat Akilov to Sweden via another Western nation.

Abdulaziz Kamilov told reporters that Akilov had been recruited by Islamic State after he left Uzbekistan to live in Sweden in 2014.

The minister did not say which country the information was first passed to.

Mountainsandh · 14-04-2017 8:48am

Canis Lupus wrote: »

So the cows should be terrified?

http://www.englishforeveryone.org/Topics/Reading-Comprehension.htm

Omackeral · 14-04-2017 9:10am

Caparison wrote: »

No chance . We are grand lads . Shhettle down hye . Tae and a shhcone , the craic , drink , ah here lads, come OUT.

That type of sh!te talk would make someone wanna bomb us.

Dubh Linn · 14-04-2017 10:29am

Here's another good point, the refugees that are almost certainly hiding amongst us could be radicalised and surely take a pop at somewhere in Ireland?

Help!!!! · 14-04-2017 11:27am

Ubbquittious wrote: »

I suppose we could always enact some draconian privacy-invading Big Brother laws to combat imaginary terr'ism that will remain in place long after ISIS are dead and buried

Or we could do nothing but put filters on our FB when it does happen. Then come on Boards & talk about how tragic it is

Dubh Linn · 14-04-2017 11:28am

True.

MysticMonk · 14-04-2017 11:59am

Collie D wrote: »

Read my last post. Not embarrassed at all by the way. It was poorly phrased and I was speed reading. As for unnecessary posting - the OP asked about the likelihood of a terror attack in Ireland and we've diverted to who shops in Lidl...

To OP, yes it's possible we're a target as these people don't really care who they hurt. Likely? Less so than other countries I think.

To you..."literally millions of these people"...who?

Don't ask anymore questions,there's a good lad

pilly · 14-04-2017 12:02pm

Dubh Linn wrote:

I think Ireland needs to do something with it's security if this is the way the people think about an attack happening on our soil..

No security is going to stop one of the lone Wolf attacks that are happening at the moment.

Collie D · 14-04-2017 12:04pm

MysticMonk wrote: »

Don't ask anymore questions,there's a good lad

Because you've no answers?

MysticMonk · 14-04-2017 12:06pm

Collie D wrote: »

Because you've no answers?

Because you don't read stuff properly and waste time going off topic and asking irrelevant questions to bog the discussion down

Stephen15 · 14-04-2017 12:06pm

Could a terrorist attack happen in Ireland? Yes

Would it happen? Probably not

Collie D · 14-04-2017 12:10pm

MysticMonk wrote: »

Because you don't read stuff properly and waste time going off topic and asking irrelevant questions to bog the discussion down

I misread one poorly worded sentence but patronise away if it makes you feel intelligent. And I haven't dragged anything off topic but you deflect anyway if you can't answer.

So who are these "literally millions of people"? You think there are that many IS operators in Europe?

LirW · 14-04-2017 12:14pm

Would never happen in Limerick, the chances are high you'd be stabbed before you can carry out an attack. :pac:

14-04-2017 12:27pm

Dubh Linn wrote: »

Here's another good point, the refugees that are almost certainly hiding amongst us could be radicalised and surely take a pop at somewhere in Ireland?

The refugees are hiding?
Anyone can become radicalised, sure our most famous was born and bred in Ireland

Dubh Linn · 14-04-2017 12:29pm

I suppose you have a point there.

Could a terror attack happen in Ireland?

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