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Im ok paying for water I use

  • 26-05-2015 12:24pm
    #1
    NeptunesMoon
    Registered Users Posts: 418 ✭✭


    Im a single person renting a bedsit and my landlord told me a few months ago that they got an application form for where I live and i was to fill it in. the landlord dropped the form down but I never filled it in, actually more to do with being too busy than any protest. fast forward a few months to now and they rang me and said that the company were on to them that there was no application made from my place so the landlord gave my details and now Ive a bill of €64.10 to pay (with some €100 rebate bull****)

    the thing is that I dont mind paying for the water i use but theres no water meter in my place so it looks like they are just giving me a fixed charge, which defeats the whole purpose, no?

    if it was my own place id probably just wait until a meter was installed before i paid anything but I dont want to cause any hassle or fuss for the landlord, but the principal of the thing annoys me a little. im probably just going to suck it up and pay it, but reluctantly. im living in Dun Laoghaire in a little purpose built block where each place has its own front door and I think water feed from outside (not sure about that though).

    I don't agree with the term that prohibits harvesting of rain water and possibly being charged for the amount collected and I'd rather fluoride be removed too, but I'm happy to pay for a relatively clean supply of water direct to my kitchen tap.

    the most important thing is not to annoy the landlord as my rent is below market value now and there was no increase as they said im such a good tenant so any increase in rent would cost way more than a few water bills a ayear and if i was to have to move it would be even worse.

    cheers for any replies!


Comments

  • #2
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,454 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    It's sixty quid a year. Pay the cursed thing.


  • #3
    recyclebin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,515 ✭✭✭recyclebin


    It €60 quid a quarter, not a year.

    My first bill is metered and came to €27. So about €108 for the year.

    With the grant comes to a grand total of €8 per year.


  • #4
    BoJack Horseman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,248 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    If you have a job, the income tax reduction last January pays this 2 or 3 times over.


  • #5
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,454 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    recyclebin wrote: »
    It €60 quid a quarter, not a year.

    Forty quid a quarter with a hundred quid rebate.


  • #6
    Tony Beetroot
    Closed Accounts Posts: 640 ✭✭✭Tony Beetroot


    I am doing the Bear Grylls on this one and boiling my urine for tea, save me a fortune.


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  • #7
    NeptunesMoon
    Registered Users Posts: 418 ✭✭NeptunesMoon


    cheers for the replies, yeah id much rather pay 260 a year than any reprocussions of pissing the landlord off.

    whats the deal with the 100eur rebate, is that a once off so the first year will be 160 and then each year after back to the 260?


    what's the income tax reduction?? im self emplyed so how would that efect it?


  • #8
    vandriver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,468 ✭✭✭vandriver


    You are being charged as a couple.Get on to irish water and get it changed.


  • #9
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,454 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    NeptunesMoon wrote: »
    cheers for the replies, yeah id much rather pay 260 a year than any reprocussions of pissing the landlord off.

    whats the deal with the 100eur rebate, is that a once off so the first year will be 160 and then each year after back to the 260?


    what's the income tax reduction?? im self emplyed so how would that efect it?

    Should be 160 for water and waste for a single person.


  • #10
    fleet_admiral
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭fleet_admiral


    Got my first quarterly bill last bill last week and payed it straight away I have never let a bill sit


  • #11
    Chips Lovell
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,269 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    Here we go again...


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  • #12
    NeptunesMoon
    Registered Users Posts: 418 ✭✭NeptunesMoon


    vandriver wrote: »
    You are being charged as a couple.Get on to irish water and get it changed.

    So it'll be even cheaper? nice cheers
    kneemos wrote: »
    Should be 160 for water and waste for a single person.

    so an income tax reduction of 160, i dont pay any waste charges as our apartment got one of them communal bins so would it all go on water then?


  • #13
    Tony Beetroot
    Closed Accounts Posts: 640 ✭✭✭Tony Beetroot


    NeptunesMoon wrote: »

    so an income tax reduction of 160, i dont pay any waste charges as our apartment got one of them communal bins so would it all go on water then?

    You ****e in the communal bins?


  • #14
    Buck Melanoma
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84 ✭✭Buck Melanoma


    NeptunesMoon wrote: »
    So it'll be even cheaper? nice cheers



    so an income tax reduction of 160, i dont pay any waste charges as our apartment got one of them communal bins so would it all go on water then?

    It is a water waste charge.


  • #15
    anncoates
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,925 ✭✭✭✭anncoates


    Something about water, free, priceless, natural, resource.


  • #16
    Geuze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,753 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    recyclebin wrote: »
    It €60 quid a quarter, not a year.

    My first bill is metered and came to €27. So about €108 for the year.

    With the grant comes to a grand total of €8 per year.


    It's 160 pa or 40 for quarter, max, for a single person.

    So 60 pa after the DSP grant.


  • #17
    NeptunesMoon
    Registered Users Posts: 418 ✭✭NeptunesMoon


    So the grant is given annually of €100 and then you get €160 tax deduction, so a single self emlployed with a bill of €40 per quarter will actually come out €100 richer every year? :confused::pac:


  • #18
    Ush1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,476 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    NeptunesMoon wrote: »
    So the grant is given annually of €100 and then you get €160 tax deduction, so a single self emlployed with a bill of €40 per quarter will actually come out €100 richer every year? :confused::pac:

    There is no tax deduction.

    All said and done after grant a single person with pay 60 quid per year, a couple with pay 160.


  • #19
    recyclebin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,515 ✭✭✭recyclebin


    People with their own wells come out €100 richer. You will be down €60. Don't think being self employed has anything to do with it.


  • #20
    NeptunesMoon
    Registered Users Posts: 418 ✭✭NeptunesMoon


    someone mentioned income tax reduction of 160 for water and waste?


  • #21
    The_Valeyard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭The_Valeyard


    While the water runs down the price will rise up


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  • #22
    renegademaster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭renegademaster


    kneemos wrote: »
    It's sixty quid a year. Pay the cursed thing.

    It's per quarter and when the cap is gone it will be €400 per quarter, have a spare €1600+ a year to pay for water again do ya?


  • #23
    renegademaster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭renegademaster


    BoJack Horseman wrote: »
    If you have a job, the income tax reduction last January pays this 2 or 3 times over.

    Ah nice, so the gets a reduction in tax, for a double tax to kick in and take €240 back off ya. When the cap is gone water will cost a minimum of €400 per quarter btw! ;)


  • #24
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    renegademaster wrote: »
    It's per quarter and when the cap is gone it will be €400 per quarter, have a spare €1600+ a year to pay for water again do ya?

    How do you reach that figure? Can you see into the future?

    OP, if you register with Irish Water you will only be charged €160 per year. You will have to register seperately with Department Of Social Protection for the €100 Conservation Grant, but not until August.


  • #25
    renegademaster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭renegademaster


    kneemos wrote: »
    Should be 160 for water and waste for a single person.

    Until the cap is gone and its a minimum of €400 per quarter! ;)


  • #26
    RobbingBandit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,192 ✭✭✭✭RobbingBandit


    Did all the neighbours in your bedsit get an identical bill OP or are you getting the bill for the whole bedsit. I am in a similar situation myself but the bill hasn't come yet so I don't know what will happen. As you didnt register you dont get the rebate as far as I am aware.


  • #27
    Toto Wolfcastle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,005 ✭✭✭✭Toto Wolfcastle


    You'd want to be using a lot of water, or they'd want to be putting the price up by a lot for it to be 400 per quarter. Our metered usage was less than a euro more than the capped price and I've heard of a lot of people paying less than the cap.


  • #28
    falan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,574 ✭✭✭falan


    NeptunesMoon wrote:
    So the grant is given annually of €100 and then you get €160 tax deduction, so a single self emlployed with a bill of €40 per quarter will actually come out €100 richer every year?


    The grant is given once. A big dangly carrot.


  • #29
    renegademaster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭renegademaster


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    How do you reach that figure? Can you see into the future?

    OP, if you register with Irish Water you will only be charged €160 per year. You will have to register seperately with Department Of Social Protection for the €100 Conservation Grant, but not until August.

    The uncapped figure is on the back of the bill so as soon as the cap is gone its automatically A MINIMUM of €400 per quarter. I already pay for water thanks and have no desire or means to register to pay some dodgy quango for something we all already pay for.


  • #30
    PeteFalk78
    Closed Accounts Posts: 762 ✭✭✭PeteFalk78


    renegademaster wrote: »
    Until the cap is gone and its a minimum of €400 per quarter! ;)

    Source?


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  • #31
    renegademaster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭renegademaster


    Bobblehead Panda wrote: »
    You'd want to be using a lot of water, or they'd want to be putting the price up by a lot for it to be 400 per quarter. Our metered usage was less than a euro more than the capped price and I've heard of a lot of people paying less than the cap.

    No ya don't, its on the back of the bill what you'll be charged when the cap isn't there, also, if people start to conserve their use IW will be putting their prices up to compensate. Next


  • #32
    Ush1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,476 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    renegademaster wrote: »
    The uncapped figure is on the back of the bill so as soon as the cap is gone its automatically A MINIMUM of €400 per quarter. I already pay for water thanks and have no desire or means to register to pay some dodgy quango for something we all already pay for.

    Where are you getting that 400 euro per quarter minimum?


  • #33
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,454 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Ush1 wrote: »
    Where are you getting that 400 euro per quarter minimum?

    My big book of fairytales.


  • #34
    renegademaster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭renegademaster


    PeteFalk78 wrote: »
    Source?

    Ya, check the bank of your bill ;)


  • #35
    PeteFalk78
    Closed Accounts Posts: 762 ✭✭✭PeteFalk78


    renegademaster wrote: »
    Ya, check the bank of your bill ;)

    I don't have one. I have my own well. Can you provide a source.


  • #36
    mickdw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,465 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    renegademaster wrote: »
    Ya, check the bank of your bill ;)

    Can you explain. I'm very interested in this. We are not direct IW customers so don't get this bill but have been paying for water for 30 years.


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  • #37
    Larbre34
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,367 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Its not your landlords business if you pay your taxes or utilities, if he doesnt like it, tell him to get on to his public representative to warn the Govt off involving landlords in stuff that doesnt concern them, i.e. turning them into collection agents.


  • #38
    NewCorkLad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 958 ✭✭✭NewCorkLad


    renegademaster wrote: »
    Ya, check the bank of your bill ;)

    Ya just because you waste water doesnt mean everyone does.


  • #39
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,454 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    falan wrote: »
    The grant is given once. A big dangly carrot.

    It's an annual grant.


  • #40
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,454 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    renegademaster wrote: »
    Ya, check the bank of your bill ;)


    Don't see any mention of it on the back of the bill?


  • #41
    NeptunesMoon
    Registered Users Posts: 418 ✭✭NeptunesMoon


    RobbingBandit wrote: »
    Did all the neighbours in your bedsit get an identical bill OP or are you getting the bill for the whole bedsit. I am in a similar situation myself but the bill hasn't come yet so I don't know what will happen. As you didnt register you dont get the rebate as far as I am aware.

    I have my own front door as does everyone else in the block so it's not a converted house type set up with only the one front door.


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  • #42
    NeptunesMoon
    Registered Users Posts: 418 ✭✭NeptunesMoon


    renegademaster wrote: »
    Ya, check the bank of your bill ;)

    I don't see anything either. sounds like scaremongering, I can't see my bill going from 160 a year to 1,600 a year, I don't think anyone would pay that.


  • #43
    timetogo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 990 ✭✭✭timetogo


    renegademaster wrote: »
    Ya, check the bank of your bill ;)

    This is what it says on the back of mine.

    "Irish Water will usually send you a bill every three
    months. Metered charges will be capped until the
    end of 2018. The charge for households with one
    adult is not more than €160 per year for both
    services (water and wastewater), €80 per year for
    a single service. For households with two or more
    adults, the charge is not more than €260 per year
    for both services, €130 per year for a single
    service. You will be charged the lower amount if
    your metered charge is less than the capped
    charge: meaning you could save money if you
    conserve water. A children's water allowance of
    of 21m³ (21,000 litres) a year per service is
    applicable for each child aged 17 years and
    under. Customers who have not registered with
    Irish Water are charged €260 per year by default.
    The charge is based on the number of days in the
    billing period."

    Then apart from that, if the bill wasn't capped at €64.12 my bill for the quarter would have been €75.12. There's two adults in my house and we're not paying too much attention to the water we use. My missus definitely isn't with her long showers.


  • #44
    Toto Wolfcastle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,005 ✭✭✭✭Toto Wolfcastle


    renegademaster wrote: »
    No ya don't, its on the back of the bill what you'll be charged when the cap isn't there, also, if people start to conserve their use IW will be putting their prices up to compensate. Next

    Checked the back of the bill. No mention of 400 there. Next.


  • #45
    Chips Lovell
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,269 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    Checked the back of my bill. Nothing there.

    But if you hold it up to the light, there's a watermark of Denis O'Brien's face.

    Fact.


  • #46
    falan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,574 ✭✭✭falan


    kneemos wrote:
    It's an annual grant.


    Assuming it isn't scrapped within a year. It's either a one off or its until 2018.


  • #47
    renegademaster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭renegademaster


    Isn't there another thread about this very subject somewhere else?


  • #48
    kjl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,127 ✭✭✭kjl


    Tony Beetroot wrote: »
    I am doing the Bear Grylls on this one and boiling my urine for tea, save me a fortune.

    I must have missed that one


  • #49
    Boom_Bap
    Moderators, Music Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,734 Mod ✭✭✭✭Boom_Bap


    Thread is being closed as there is a massive big massive thread over in the Politics Cafe for this type of chat.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057425934


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