The Official Boxing at London Olympics Superthread - July 28-August 12

the_real_lamp · 12-08-2012 4:12pm

Home advantage really did pay off for the Brits, a gold and a bronze they should have never got. No way Joshua and Ogogo should have got near the medal fights.(Do think the Joshua fight against Cammarele was close, but the Italian shaded it)

Think boxing has to do something to make the scoring more transparent big time, the new system for Rio along the lines of the pro scoring is only opening to the possibility to more dodging scoring.

walshb · 12-08-2012 4:12pm

The Cuban Fly was hardly a crowd pleaser. I think he is being overrated here. Very good, but not the best from this tournament. No way. Conlon IMO did excellent against him and the Mongolian was neck and neck and could have got that decision.

donfers · 12-08-2012 4:18pm

Joshua loses two of his fights and wins the gold - shows you what hometown advantage does for you

the problem of the integrity in boxing scoring continue - we'll be talking about it forever, the sad thing is boxers are by and large the most honest and gracious sports folk out there and they get probably the most contentious scoring system - a real pity

AllGunsBlazing · 12-08-2012 4:19pm

Lomachenko should get the Val Barker again. Blew his competition away.

megadodge · 12-08-2012 4:20pm

walshb wrote: »

The Cuban Fly was hardly a crowd pleaser. I think he is being overrated here. Very good, but not the best from this tournament. No way. His QF win over Selby was far from impressive. Conlon IMO did excellent against him and the Mongolian was neck and neck and could have got that decision.

I thought he beat Conlan clearly and he definitely beat the Mongolian. You seem to be the only one that thinks otherwise.

Who would you regard as the most deserving of the Val Barker?

Ghost. · 12-08-2012 4:24pm

I thought Joshua lost that, and was very poor. I got to agree the Italian brought it on himself with a lazy last round. But the Italian wasnt great either. Thats twice the judges have given him a win at these games when he should have lost.

the_real_lamp · 12-08-2012 4:25pm

Sapiyev won the Val Barker. Was very good in the final today to be fair.

walshb · 12-08-2012 4:27pm

megadodge wrote: »

I thought he beat Conlan clearly and he definitely beat the Mongolian. You seem to be the only one that thinks otherwise.

Who would you regard as the most deserving of the Val Barker?

He beat the Mongolian by three points over 9 mins. It was no way clear. It was very tight. No way he beat Conlon by 10 points. Ridiculous score. He was a couple of points better. I thought it was quite close.

My best boxer is probably the LWW Cuban or even Lomachenko!

BTW, had your Lithuanian tank got thru to the LW final Lmachenko would have eaten him alive.

supersean1999 · 12-08-2012 4:34pm

walshb wrote: »

The Cuban Fly was hardly a crowd pleaser. I think he is being overrated here. Very good, but not the best from this tournament. No way. His QF win over Selby was far from impressive. Conlon IMO did excellent against him and the Mongolian was neck and neck and could have got that decision.

are you being serious, lord god , he is a class act, and def in top 3 in these games,

walshb · 12-08-2012 4:35pm

supersean1999 wrote: »

are you being serious, lord god , he is a class act, and def in top 3 in these games,

Not my top 3.

supersean1999 · 12-08-2012 4:41pm

walshb wrote: »

Not my top 3.

no but you dont seem to rate him at all, seems a personal opinion after he beat conlon, then again you like to be different

walshb · 12-08-2012 4:44pm

supersean1999 wrote: »

no but you dont seem to rate him at all, seems a personal opinion after he beat conlon, then again you like to be different

Ok, fair enough. Top ten he does make.

Anyway, separately: I felt a gold medal was lost on Paddy Barnes. He deserved that fight against Shiming, and he would have eaten that Thai boxer in the final. Barnes and Nevin were in the top ten in that tournament, no doubt. As good as any of the boxers in the whole tournament bar maybe Lomachenko.

megadodge · 12-08-2012 5:06pm

You know I'm a big Lomachenko fan, but even on this thread I, and others, mentioned that while Lomachenko was winning he was solid rather than outstanding - nothing like he was in Bejing.

Sapiyev, on his final performance anyway, was a deserving winner.

Syferus · 12-08-2012 5:28pm

Sapiyev put in a very accomplished performance today. I thought Joshua maybe shaded his final in the last round (but I certainly wouldn't have argued if they'd scored it two points in Joshua's favour and Cammerelle won) but he was way too easy to hit on his left side and when he did get hit at times it took him five seconds to readjust his defence. A physical specimen but someone who has Tyson Fury-levels of work to be done before he can look towards the big titles. It was a wonderful emotional cap to perhaps the most exciting Olympics in living memory, though.

Whenever I see Cuban boxers it always turns my mind to the three wonderful ones we have down in Cork languishing in an abyss of inertia. I hope to God they all get their chance to win or lose because it's no good to anyone being a classy fighter and existing on the margins of the sport.

Likewise the potential for the AIBA pro system is clear when you see the likes of Shiming Zou, the Kazakh fighters and even Roberto Cammarelle, there is enough talent in terms of fighters who haven't or can't realistically turn fully pro to make it an exciting prospect. We'll see, but I'm coming out of the Olympics with a more positive take on the whole idea.

walshb · 12-08-2012 5:33pm

megadodge wrote: »

You know I'm a big Lomachenko fan, but even on this thread I, and others, mentioned that while Lomachenko was winning he was solid rather than outstanding - nothing like he was in Bejing.

Sapiyev, on his final performance anyway, was a deserving winner.

Yes, he dominated Evans, but Evans really was stale. Lomachenko wasn't the same force as in power and speed and overwhelming, but he seems a more complete boxer/puncher now. I also feel that the opposition a LW is stronger, and that Lomachenko is not as big as some of the guys, so taking this into account I feel his performances were very good.

Pudsy33 · 12-08-2012 5:57pm

Lads, what's your opinion on the Shiming Zou fight? I didn't think it was the big controversy it was made out to be. He lost the last round, but not by the 3 the Thai boxer needed. Thought the scoring was sound enough. The referee was more at fault by giving the Thai a warning

Gary The Gamer · 12-08-2012 6:01pm

Pudsy33 wrote: »

Lads, what's your opinion on the Shiming Zou fight? I didn't think it was the big controversy it was made out to be. He lost the last round, but not by the 3 the Thai boxer needed. Thought the scoring was sound enough. The referee was more at fault by giving the Thai a warning

The thai boxer won the last round I thought on pure boxing. Throw in the 2 point warning and a warning that shouldn't be given to him and I he should have won.

walshb · 12-08-2012 6:30pm

Pudsy33 wrote: »

Lads, what's your opinion on the Shiming Zou fight? I didn't think it was the big controversy it was made out to be. He lost the last round, but not by the 3 the Thai boxer needed. Thought the scoring was sound enough. The referee was more at fault by giving the Thai a warning

Horrible fight and not a robbery. Close to call. The crowd and the thai reactions made it seem like a robbery.

efb · 12-08-2012 6:43pm

Well I hope yiz all enjoyed that- a very successful Olympics for Irish boxers, all well deserving of their medals

allthedoyles · 12-08-2012 11:10pm

mushykeogh · 13-08-2012 7:52am

4 medalists from 6 athletes is outstanding. Considering we only had one boxer at the 2000 and 2004 games the performances in Beijing and London are top class.

A lot of credit due to Gary keegan, Billy walsh and john cleary over the years. It shows what with can be achieved with a good structure in place. Hopefully things will remain in place and we will have a very successful world champs next year.

fryup · 13-08-2012 12:53pm

do any of you feel that paddy barnes fought dirty on friday?

i mean he blatantly threw the chinese guy to the floor in the 3rd rd, as well as giving him a sneaky knee into the ribs

even biased jimmy magee mentioned it

walshb · 13-08-2012 1:00pm

fryup wrote: »

do any of you feel that paddy barnes fought dirty on friday?

i mean he blatantly threw the chinese guy to the floor in the 3rd rd, as well as giving him a sneaky knee into the ribs

even biased jimmy magee mentioned it

Not dirty enough; a kick in the balls would have secured that gold medal bout!

Big Ears · 13-08-2012 1:52pm

fryup wrote: »

do any of you feel that paddy barnes fought dirty on friday?

i mean he blatantly threw the chinese guy to the floor in the 3rd rd, as well as giving him a sneaky knee into the ribs

even biased jimmy magee mentioned it

I doubt Zou even had any complaints about it. He only did it to negate Zou's renowned holding tactics, and the referee seemed to know it as he just let them at it. It might be the amateurs but Ricky Hatton's statement about boxing still applies 'this isn't a tickling contest'.

Bozacke · 13-08-2012 4:22pm

It’s funny, because as stated Zou’s main tactic was to use his height to stay outside and use his longer reach and when his opponent would get inside he would lean in and hold on to prevent his opponent from throwing any punches. He did this way too many times and Paddy Barnes had to muscle him around a bit to break those holds so they could have a proper boxing match. Zou used the same tactics against his Thai opponent, but the Thai boxer either didn’t have the strength and or the tricks that Paddy had to break the holds as easily and at one point when Zou was in the corner he put his head down, held the Thai’s arms and pushed him with his head all the way across the ring. The ref didn’t do a proper job of stopping this nonsense. Maybe if paddy didn’t use his muscle and tricks to break these holds, the ref would have penalised Zou, but if that was the case, as seen by the match with the Thai, the ref probably just would have docked Barnes to even up the deductions. Antics like Zhou’s shouldn’t be allowed, sine it isn’t boxing, it closer to wrestling. If Zou wants to wrestle, he should join the WWF and the refs should take docking points for holding and delay tactics more seriously.

pcworldisajoke · 13-08-2012 4:58pm

didnt see johnjo's loss coming, was quite surprised really, really thought he was the better fighter. Someone in the pub said that if it was a pro fight, Nevin would win for sure.

Tombo2001 · 13-08-2012 5:03pm

pcworldisajoke wrote: »

didnt see johnjo's loss coming, was quite surprised really, really thought he was the better fighter. Someone in the pub said that if it was a pro fight, Nevin would win for sure.

Its funny cause all the pundits completely didnt see it coming.

If ever there was a time for a bit of caution, it was before an Olympic title fight......but Mick Dowling was like "he will be the first traveller boy to win", Bernard Dunne was saying he'd win that award for best boxer in the tournament, real pre-emptive stuff......only Kenny Egan was reserved about it, and thats presumably because he's the only one who had been in the same position.

For a non-boxing person like me, when you are trying to read between the lines, it looked to me like they where saying he was a shoo-in.....which obviosuly wasnt the case.

Felexicon · 13-08-2012 5:23pm

pcworldisajoke wrote: »

didnt see johnjo's loss coming, was quite surprised really, really thought he was the better fighter. Someone in the pub said that if it was a pro fight, Nevin would win for sure.

Well if people in the pub said it, it must be true.

No matter what level that fight was at JJN was the loser.The tactics employed were completely wrong for Nevin and perfect for Campbell.
For example if the fight was at pro level, Nevin would have lost one round 10-8 as he was knocked down.

AllGunsBlazing · 13-08-2012 5:33pm

Bit of a noob question here, but how come there was no Featherweight category at this year's Olympics?

gene_tunney · 13-08-2012 7:11pm

AllGunsBlazing wrote: »

Bit of a noob question here, but how come there was no Featherweight category at this year's Olympics?

The took it out to facilitate the women's boxing.

efb · 10-03-2015 5:45am

Vastine was killed in a helicopter crash yesterday

walshb · 10-03-2015 9:32am

efb wrote: »

Vastine was killed in a helicopter crash yesterday

The French lad?

No way. He was a lovely smooth boxer. Very sad.

efb · 10-03-2015 11:14am

walshb wrote: »

The French lad?

No way. He was a lovely smooth boxer. Very sad.

Yeah and he was robbed twice in Olympics

11-03-2015 12:32am

efb wrote: »

Vastine was killed in a helicopter crash yesterday

Awful.

The chap was conned out of a medal 3 years ago and the image of him in tears will always stay with me. Moreso after the tragic events of yesterday. Dreadful stuff

The Official Boxing at London Olympics Superthread - July 28-August 12

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