Amir Khan v Paul McCloskey - Manchester, April 16

walshb · 22-04-2011 4:02pm

celtictiger32 wrote: »

i think most fighters would want to have another crack at their conquerors even if its just for their own personal demons, probably be the same for the likes of andy lee too............ be a good fight for mc closkey to take, he should strike while the irons hot and get himself on the world scene. just watching malinaggi on tv last night he was decent enough but at the same time looked very beatable aswell.

Of course, the real champs, and true greats are those who step back into the fire that destroyed them. I know some great fighters never did avenge their defeats, or look to avenge their defeats, but those who did and went looking get an extra seal of approval from me. Lennox is one.

celtictiger32 · 22-04-2011 4:12pm

walshb wrote: »

Of course, the real champs, and true greats are those who step back into the fire that destroyed them. I know some great fighters never did avenge their defeats, or look to avenge their defeats, but those who did and went looking get an extra seal of approval from me. Lennox is one.

jaysus walshy thats twice now i think we've agreed. we'll be going for pints if this keeps up lol:D

Boooourns · 22-04-2011 6:21pm

Big Ears wrote: »

Never, a fringe contender at Lightweight has no business in with the #1/#2 Light-Welterweight in the World. Despite what happened previously.

McCloskey would do a job on Prescott imo, perfect fight for Paul to gain some positive exposure Worldwide aswell and try and get himself back in World title contention.

Even Kevin Mitchell boxed the ears off Prescott. Prescott is only good when he connects, he's just not a skilled boxer.

Big Ears · 22-04-2011 6:38pm

Boooourns wrote: »

Even Kevin Mitchell boxed the ears off Prescott. Prescott is only good when he connects, he's just not a skilled boxer.

He's crude, wild and while a decent puncher isn't the ironfisted banger he was made out to be to following his destruction of Khan. Having to move up to 140 will eliminate some of his size advantages aswell.

He's just not that good.

gene_tunney · 22-04-2011 6:41pm

Guys, if McCloskey had a good straight left he would be dangerous. We all know he is very good defensively but he needs to step up his offence. His lead right hook usually does the damage, or uppercuts. A good straight left would do wonders for him, a lot of orthodox fighters have no idea how to handle it.

Big Ears · 22-04-2011 6:55pm

gene_tunney wrote: »

Guys, if McCloskey had a good straight left he would be dangerous. We all know he is very good defensively but he needs to step up his offence. His lead right hook usually does the damage, or uppercuts. A good straight left would do wonders for him, a lot of orthodox fighters have no idea how to handle it.

While his right is certainly more potent(I suspect he may be right handed), his left isn't that bad. He heavily floored both Dean Harrison and Daniel Rasilla with craicing straight lefts. The problem is his footwork at times can be a bit poor and a little slow and as such he's not always in position to land the left. This was really highlighted in his fight with Khan, a fighter who possess brilliant footspeed and good footwork. Paul made Khan miss loads, but he just couldn't get in position to make him pay.

Thankfully for Paul's sake, most fighters(actually all at 140) have slower feet than Khan.

gene_tunney · 22-04-2011 7:28pm

Big Ears wrote: »

While his right is certainly more potent(I suspect he may be right handed), his left isn't that bad. He heavily floored both Dean Harrison and Daniel Rasilla with craicing straight lefts. The problem is his footwork at times can be a bit poor and a little slow and as such he's not always in position to land the left. This was really highlighted in his fight with Khan, a fighter who possess brilliant footspeed and good footwork. Paul made Khan miss loads, but he just couldn't get in position to make him pay.

Thankfully for Paul's sake, most fighters(actually all at 140) have slower feet than Khan.

He is right handed I think.

Khan's footwork is horrible, he has footspeed but his actual footwork is pathetic - all he does is gallop around the ring and lunge in.

I do agree it is Paul's footwork that takes away from his straight left. His stance is so narrow that he needs to turn to throw the straight left. He does this for defence, a lot harder to get hit when you are not squared up at all. This stance suits the lead hook though.

It's all about compromise I suppose.

makl · 22-04-2011 8:52pm

gene_tunney wrote: »

He is right handed I think.

Khan's footwork is horrible, he has footspeed but his actual footwork is pathetic - all he does is gallop around the ring and lunge in.

I do agree it is Paul's footwork that takes away from his straight left. His stance is so narrow that he needs to turn to throw the straight left. He does this for defence, a lot harder to get hit when you are not squared up at all. This stance suits the lead hook though.

It's all about compromise I suppose.

aye, i remember sayin that before here. same as me :rolleyes: len did make earlier that even with gameplan accounted for, his counter was still disappointing. but he may have still been trying to figure khan out. reminds me of watchin last 6 laps of some race with v rossi on the bikes. he spent the penultimate 4 practising his passing manouevres, edging level with gibernaud (think) at times, working it out to make sure it would succeed when needed, then in second last lap it worked perfectly. mccloskey in similar situation? maybe.

Big Ears · 22-04-2011 8:55pm

gene_tunney wrote: »

He is right handed I think.

Khan's footwork is horrible, he has footspeed but his actual footwork is pathetic - all he does is gallop around the ring and lunge in.

He is prone to coming in, in straight lines alright, and sometimes out in them aswell(but not nearly as often as he used to), but in terms of controlling his distance and range it's quite good. Helped of course by the fact his feet are so fast.

walshb · 23-04-2011 8:19am

Khan's feet are fast as mentioned, but it's his overall use of his feet and balance on his feet that isn't great.

walshb · 23-04-2011 8:21am

Boooourns wrote: »

Even Kevin Mitchell boxed the ears off Prescott. Prescott is only good when he connects, he's just not a skilled boxer.

Yes, Mitchell did well. I wouldn't say he boxed the ears off him. Also, he looked to be a whisker away from getting tagged with a KO shot thru 12. That is how I felt watching it. It was very risky throughout. He kept a step ahead of Prescott, but you always felt that he was dicing with danger.

celtictiger32 · 23-04-2011 4:20pm

off topic lads but can anyone tell me whats the best site fot world rankings a lot of the ones ive looked up arent very up to date. im looking for all rankings i.e.wba,wbo,etc. and if possible full ranking lists as opposed to just the top ten.

celtictiger32 · 23-04-2011 4:26pm

just having a gander at irish boxing there seen the article about maidana interested in fighting mc closkey

colly10 · 23-04-2011 8:21pm

celtictiger32 wrote: »

off topic lads but can anyone tell me whats the best site fot world rankings a lot of the ones ive looked up arent very up to date. im looking for all rankings i.e.wba,wbo,etc. and if possible full ranking lists as opposed to just the top ten.

Boxrec isn't official but the rankings on it are reasonably accurate

celtictiger32 · 23-04-2011 9:30pm

cheers colly

just had a look through there, some of the divisions are in rag order, think i might turn pro meself lol

slapbangwallop · 24-04-2011 9:03pm

celtictiger32 · 24-04-2011 9:57pm

cant make it out what does the first paragraph say eamon magee brands amir khan a what??

slapbangwallop · 24-04-2011 10:38pm

celtictiger32 wrote: »

cant make it out what does the first paragraph say eamon magee brands amir khan a what??

cow hearder!

celtictiger32 · 24-04-2011 10:41pm

slapbangwallop wrote: »

cow hearder!

lol i can just make it out now that you post it there.. i agree with him

weemcd · 25-04-2011 4:20pm

Finally got around to watching this, didn't want to post much without watching the whole fight and forming my own opinion. The two things that really got me was that the corner did not get a chance to look at the cut before the fight was stopped and the doctor was far to dismissive. But what really leaves the bad taste was the triumphant celebrations from Khan, his corner and the crowd, celebrating a fight that ended that way as a great win, nonsense and absolutely no class. I will continue to watch Khan fight, with the intention of seeing him outclassed and punished, hope Paul McCloskey gets a decent opponent lined up and the incident is put to bed. I'd have no interest if there ever rematched (never happen), the only positive there would be Duddy getting his fair dig.

walshb · 13-05-2011 8:30pm

WBA light-welterweight champion Amir Khan is searching for a new opponent after a planned unification fight with Timothy Bradley fell apart.

Khan signed a contract to fight the WBC and WBO champion on July 23rd with the Mandalay Bay in Las Vegas pencilled in.

However, the American is reportedly in dispute with his promoter and waiting for his contract to run out next month before searching for alternative opponent.

"I wanted to fight Bradley to unify the division, but he pulled out, he doesn't want to fight," said Khan.

"He was talking a big fight but now he just pulled out.

"We were looking at (Juan Manuel) Marquez, but he is looking at fighting Manny Pacquiao

"There are very few opponents left. We are either looking at someone like (Robert) Guerrero or Zab Judah, who is also an IBF champion.

"But I'm happy to fight whoever they put in front of me."

Bradley meanwhile, is being touted as Manny Pacquiao's next opponent following his points win over Shane Mosley at the weekend.

Rob113 · 13-05-2011 8:33pm

You have to admire Khan looking for the big fights, calling out the big names. As much as he acted the dick throughout the entire McCloskey saga he does genuinely seem to want to fight the best and be the best. Who would you like to see him fight next walshb?

walshb · 13-05-2011 8:36pm

I tell you, I wouldn't fancy Khan against Guerrero. Big, strong, heavy hands and a lovely boxer puncher

colly10 · 13-05-2011 8:40pm

Bradley is a clown, Pac would put a Hatton style beating on him. I really hope that fight doesn't happen, he needs to prove he's number one in the division before he can go looking for that type of a paycheck

walshb · 13-05-2011 8:41pm

Rob113 wrote: »

You have to admire Khan looking for the big fights, calling out the big names. As much as he acted the dick throughout the entire McCloskey saga he does genuinely seem to want to fight the best and be the best. Who would you like to see him fight next walshb?

I have to agree. One thing he has, and that is ambition. He wants to be the best. JMM won't compete with Khan. Too old, too small. Maybe move up and meet Berto or Ortiz? Very dangerous fights though. Both have heavy hands. Judah I feel would resemble the Malignaggi fight. Maybe not as one sided, but Khan should beat him comfortably.

nacho libre · 13-05-2011 10:36pm

walshb wrote: »

I tell you, I wouldn't fancy Khan against Guerrero. Big, strong, heavy hands and a lovely boxer puncher

Neither would I to be honest. If he's in position to finish off Khan he has the nous and ability to do it, unlike Maidana.

gene_tunney · 14-05-2011 1:23am

I'd fancy all of Berto, JMM and Ortiz to beat Khan.

clubwelly · 14-05-2011 12:16pm

I dunno I think this could still happen cos JMM has signed to fight Manny in Nov so Bradley's "superfight" withManny wudn't happen until next year if its agreed and thats a long layoff for Bradley.

I'd fancy Khan against Judah but not sure against Guerrero.
Berto is too reliant on one punch power and Ortiz is vunerable

JacksonHeightsOwn · 14-05-2011 1:34pm

gene_tunney wrote: »

I'd fancy all of Berto, JMM and Ortiz to beat Khan.

didnt Khan knock Ortiz out as an amateur?

regardless of that, going by Ortiz' last fight, you'd bet your house on him beating Khan

Spazdarn · 14-05-2011 5:16pm

If you went by Ortiz's two previous fights before that you'd have imagine Khan would take the win. Ortiz did deadly against Berto but I think we might be jumping the gun a bit, Berto was/is a hype job that filled his wallet up with HBO money fighting nobodies. Ortiz went miles ahead of Peterson and fell apart amounting to a draw, and he quit against Maidana...

Amir Khan v Paul McCloskey - Manchester, April 16

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