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Farm safety grants

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  • #122
    Reggie.
    Registered Users Posts: 24,361 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    tripperman wrote: »
    i priced a roller door for the hay shed two weeks ago, decided i would ring yesterday and check price again, theres 450 on the price now, he says the steel is going up in price, ill doing a sliding door instead

    Ya have to love the irish industries


  • #123
    Mulumpy
    Registered Users Posts: 815 ✭✭✭Mulumpy


    Its a great scheme if ya have a lot of money to spend but the 2k ceiling rules a lot of people out. I intended putting in a calving gate this year but may put it off now as suppliers are gonna hike up their prices.


  • #124
    tripperman
    Registered Users Posts: 1,986 ✭✭✭tripperman


    Reggie. wrote: »
    Ya have to love the irish industries

    ah you got to, right as a grant announced price of steel goes up


  • #125
    tanko
    Registered Users Posts: 9,199 ✭✭✭tanko


    Got the form yesterday, these are the payment rates.

    Cattle Handling Facilities

    Mobile cattle crush (min 2.4m long). €1,568.00 each

    Mobile cattle penning max 75 linear metres (in combination with a cattle handling unit). €43.50 per linear metre

    Mobile cattle weighing scales €1,164.00 each

    Leg Hoist/Lifter €378.70 each

    Head scoop €251.70 each


    Slat Replacement / Tank Covers / Tank Fencing

    Safety fencing for external slurry and effluent stores €54.70 per linear metre

    Solid cover for external slurry and effluent stores €57.10 per metre squared

    Safety covers on external agitation points or manholes. €407.00 each

    Replacement of damaged slats (single/twin/gang) or removal of existing internal agitation point and replacement by gang slat. €56.80 per metre squared

    Replacement of end wall of tank and provision of external agitation point €4,125 each.

    Circulation pipe (6") to allow for agitation of slurry. €13.30 per linear metre

    Simple Aeration Systems. €58.05 per metre squared of tank

    Installation of calving gates €148.90 per linear metre

    Safety rails on silo walls. €23.30 per linear metre

    Replacement of a hinged door/sheeted gate with a new sliding door/roller door on agricultural buildings. €84.80 per metre squared

    Retrofitting roof clear sheet (roof light) with safety cages €47.50 per clear light

    Wiring / Rewiring existing farm building. €6.70 per metre squared

    Yard Lights (min 200W equivalent, either metal halide or LED) €237.50 per item


    Mobile Sheep Handling Facilities

    Mobile sheep spraying equipment on trailer €9,500 per item

    Mobile sheep spraying equipment, without trailer. €3705.00 per item

    Portable sheep handling race with wheels (including footbah). €3,186.54 per item

    Portable basic sheep handling race €881.96 per item

    Mobile sheep weighing scales €845.92 per item

    Mobile sheep rollover crate. €847.92 per item

    Mobile sheep "batch" footbath. €654.02 per item

    Mobile sheep penning max 75 linear metres (in combination with a sheep handling unit) €27.93 per linear metre

    Mobile sheep adoption unit front €111.05 per item

    Mobile sheep adoption unit front with penning. €224.08 per item


  • #126
    Mad4simmental
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭Mad4simmental


    Don't think I'll bother with this atall. I'll get a nice scales on dd next year with all the new ones going to be orderd! :-)


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  • #127
    Cow Porter
    Registered Users Posts: 472 ✭✭Cow Porter


    tanko wrote: »
    Got the form yesterday, these are the payment rates.

    Cattle Handling Facilities

    Mobile cattle crush (min 2.4m long). €1,568.00 each

    Mobile cattle penning max 75 linear metres (in combination with a cattle handling unit). €43.50 per linear metre

    Mobile cattle weighing scales €1,164.00 each

    Leg Hoist/Lifter €378.70 each

    Head scoop €251.70 each


    Slat Replacement / Tank Covers / Tank Fencing

    Safety fencing for external slurry and effluent stores €54.70 per linear metre

    Solid cover for external slurry and effluent stores €57.10 per metre squared

    Safety covers on external agitation points or manholes. €407.00 each

    Replacement of damaged slats (single/twin/gang) or removal of existing internal agitation point and replacement by gang slat. €56.80 per metre squared

    Replacement of end wall of tank and provision of external agitation point €4,125 each.

    Circulation pipe (6") to allow for agitation of slurry. €13.30 per linear metre

    Simple Aeration Systems. €58.05 per metre squared of tank

    Installation of calving gates €148.90 per linear metre

    Safety rails on silo walls. €23.30 per linear metre

    Replacement of a hinged door/sheeted gate with a new sliding door/roller door on agricultural buildings. €84.80 per metre squared

    Retrofitting roof clear sheet (roof light) with safety cages €47.50 per clear light

    Wiring / Rewiring existing farm building. €6.70 per metre squared

    Yard Lights (min 200W equivalent, either metal halide or LED) €237.50 per item


    Mobile Sheep Handling Facilities

    Mobile sheep spraying equipment on trailer €9,500 per item

    Mobile sheep spraying equipment, without trailer. €3705.00 per item

    Portable sheep handling race with wheels (including footbah). €3,186.54 per item

    Portable basic sheep handling race €881.96 per item

    Mobile sheep weighing scales €845.92 per item

    Mobile sheep rollover crate. €847.92 per item

    Mobile sheep "batch" footbath. €654.02 per item

    Mobile sheep penning max 75 linear metres (in combination with a sheep handling unit) €27.93 per linear metre

    Mobile sheep adoption unit front €111.05 per item

    Mobile sheep adoption unit front with penning. €224.08 per item

    Where did ya get the list? Doesn't seem to be online


  • #128
    tanko
    Registered Users Posts: 9,199 ✭✭✭tanko


    Got it from an agricultural consultant.


  • #129
    newholland
    Registered Users Posts: 174 ✭✭newholland


    I have single slats in the middle if a 5 bad shed for agitating. If I replace this with one with concrete manhole will this be covered under grant?

    If not can you put steel manhole in shed?

    If I replaced end single slats with a man hole is this covered?


  • #130
    tanko
    Registered Users Posts: 9,199 ✭✭✭tanko


    newholland wrote: »
    I have single slats in the middle if a 5 bad shed for agitating. If I replace this with one with concrete manhole will this be covered under grant?

    If not can you put steel manhole in shed?

    If I replaced end single slats with a man hole is this covered?

    I could be wrong but anything that involves agitating slurry inside a shed isn't covered. You could replace slats outside the shed with a gang slat with an opening for agitating and that would be covered.


  • #131
    The Cuban
    Closed Accounts Posts: 492 ✭✭The Cuban


    Cow Porter wrote: »
    Where did ya get the list? Doesn't seem to be online
    Doesn't seem to be online[/QUOTE]

    You just need to be connected to the CIA to find it !

    http://www.agriculture.gov.ie/media/migration/farmingschemesandpayments/farmbuildings/farmbuildingspecifications/pdfversions/FarmSafetySchemeReferenceCostsandExplanatoryNotes221014.pdf

    Now don't ye all thank me at once now

    :)


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  • #132
    Muckit
    Registered Users Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Muckit


    Bodacious wrote: »
    I was only going to go for leg hoist and head scoop but I guess I can't as Won't be near the 2k mark ?

    You'd wonder was it primarily dreamt up to improve farmer welfare at all or was it for the benefit of the agri engineering sector. I'm so cynical!!! :)


  • #133
    sea12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,244 ✭✭✭sea12


    Muckit wrote: »
    You'd wonder was it primarily dreamt up to improve farmer welfare at all or was it for the benefit of the agri engineering sector. I'm so cynical!!! :)

    Yep would agree with you Mickit. Why didn't they take a price survey before they announced it and use that as a bench mark. This **** of engineering firms raising the price to take up the grant would drive you mad


  • #134
    st1979
    Registered Users Posts: 936 ✭✭✭st1979


    bypass the crap and go north or uk. its up to you the farmer to get value. unfortunate but best answer


  • #135
    I said
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭I said


    st1979 wrote: »
    bypass the crap and go north or uk. its up to you the farmer to get value. unfortunate but best answer

    Correct fcuk the greedy fcukers,parasites any excuse same with the slatted shed grants.


  • #136
    nhg
    Registered Users Posts: 999 ✭✭✭nhg


    When we put up our new crush & pens end of 2013/early 2014 we were refused the vat refund on the head scoop because it wasn't fixed - even though we had it welded to the head gate.
    Wouldn't mind having a scales though.


  • #137
    diesel druggie
    Registered Users Posts: 44 ✭diesel druggie


    nhg wrote: »
    When we put up our new crush & pens end of 2013/early 2014 we were refused the vat refund on the head scoop because it wasn't fixed - even though we had it welded to the head gate.
    Wouldn't mind having a scales though.

    This is what I was trying to say earlier it will be 40% minus 23% vat so its really a grant of 17%


  • #138
    Farmer Pudsey
    Registered Users Posts: 6,326 ✭✭✭Farmer Pudsey


    diesel druggie wrote: »
    This is what I was trying to say earlier it will be 40% minus 23% vat so its really a grant of 17%

    As far as I know you can claim vat back on scales. I think vat regulations were changed last year and a few things were added that you could claim vat back on Hedging and weighing scales were two.

    As well your calculation is wrong if vat was included it is a 26% grant. As vat is added to total the sum is 123/ so

    123X0.4= 49.2 of grant aid. this leaves cost of grant aided equipment at 73.8% of ex vat cost so if you could not reclaim vat grant is 26.2%. Not to be sniffed at either.


  • #139
    diesel druggie
    Registered Users Posts: 44 ✭diesel druggie


    nhg wrote: »
    When we put up our new crush & pens end of 2013/early 2014 we were refused the vat refund on the head scoop because it wasn't fixed - even though we had it welded to the head gate.
    Wouldn't mind having a scales though.

    This is what I was trying to say earlier it will be 40% minus 23% vat so its really a grant of 17%


  • #140
    Farmer Pudsey
    Registered Users Posts: 6,326 ✭✭✭Farmer Pudsey


    diesel druggie wrote: »
    This is what I was trying to say earlier it will be 40% minus 23% vat so its really a grant of 17%

    Look at the calculation above.


  • #141
    diesel druggie
    Registered Users Posts: 44 ✭diesel druggie


    Thought that they would only pay the grant on the nett amount ie 100% less grant of 40% Nett amount payable is then 60% If you could not claim the vat back then you would be out that cost too although I think you were nearly forget about the vat reclain and use it as an expense straight away


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  • #142
    diesel druggie
    Registered Users Posts: 44 ✭diesel druggie


    Thought that they would only pay the grant on the nett amount ie 100% less grant of 40% Nett amount payable is then 60% If you could not claim the vat back then you would be out that cost too although I think you were nearly forget about the vat reclain and use it as an expense straight away


  • #143
    epfff
    Registered Users Posts: 1,387 ✭✭✭epfff


    Farmer Pudsey wrote: »
    As far as I know you can claim vat back on scales. I think vat regulations were changed last year and a few things were added that you could claim vat back on Hedging and weighing scales were two.

    As well your calculation is wrong if vat was included it is a 26% grant. As vat is added to total the sum is 123/ so

    123X0.4= 49.2 of grant aid. this leaves cost of grant aided equipment at 7





    Thought the cattle and sheep equipment had to be mobile so no vat reclaim so surly grant is on full cost


  • #144
    Reggie.
    Registered Users Posts: 24,361 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    So it begins :rolleyes:
    http://www.donedeal.ie/farmsheds-for-sale/farm-grant-lighting/7958678


  • #145
    Farmer Pudsey
    Registered Users Posts: 6,326 ✭✭✭Farmer Pudsey


    diesel druggie wrote: »
    Thought that they would only pay the grant on the nett amount ie 100% less grant of 40% Nett amount payable is then 60% If you could not claim the vat back then you would be out that cost too although I think you were nearly forget about the vat reclain and use it as an expense straight away

    Last year a lot of vat rated mobile equipment was changed so you could claim vat. I think mobile sheep penning was one along with hedging and weighting scales.

    When you get a grant on non vat refundable equipment the vat is on total amount unless you are vat registered. As far as I know when slurry tankers were grant aided you got 40% of total unless vat registered. Not 100% sure but that is from memory.


  • #146
    sandydan
    Registered Users Posts: 1,471 ✭✭✭sandydan


    Reggie. wrote: »
    So it begins :rolleyes:
    http://www.donedeal.ie/farmsheds-for-sale/farm-grant-lighting/7958678
    is that not €30 euro up on price of 100w a month ago


  • #147
    Reggie.
    Registered Users Posts: 24,361 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    sandydan wrote: »
    is that not €30 euro up on price of 100w a month ago

    No idea but I bought 30w LEDs for 35 euro a few weeks back


  • #148
    orm0nd
    Registered Users Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭orm0nd


    Farmer Pudsey wrote: »
    Last year a lot of vat rated mobile equipment was changed so you could claim vat. I think mobile sheep penning was one along with hedging and weighting scales.

    When you get a grant on non vat refundable equipment the vat is on total amount unless you are vat registered. As far as I know when slurry tankers were grant aided you got 40% of total unless vat registered. Not 100% sure but that is from memory.


    vacuum tankers were 40% of price excluding vat not on the total


    some of the "mobile" sheep penning/race manufacturers have brackets for bolting them down , after vat refund these brackets don't get much use !!


  • #149
    orm0nd
    Registered Users Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭orm0nd


    sandydan wrote: »
    is that not €30 euro up on price of 100w a month ago

    I bought a similar 200 w for 64€ about 18 months ago


  • #150
    I said
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭I said


    http://www.donedeal.ie/view/6913906
    mobile cattle crushes
    Had a look at this Saturday serious bit of kit


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  • #151
    Reggie.
    Registered Users Posts: 24,361 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    I said wrote: »
    http://www.donedeal.ie/view/6913906
    mobile cattle crushes
    Had a look at this Saturday serious bit of kit

    Know him alright. Does have nice stuff in the yard alright


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