Farm safety grants

tanko · 27-10-2014 6:30pm

I said wrote: »

http://www.donedeal.ie/view/6913906
mobile cattle crushes
Had a look at this Saturday serious bit of kit

How much is it?

jfh · 28-10-2014 4:18pm

so if you have an old slatted house with no external agitation point, can you replace the internal point(slat) with platted steel cover?
i think there not covering internal agitation point? either way, i'll have to get slats replaced so this would help.

jfh · 28-10-2014 4:45pm

another question, if i was to make my own sliding doors, could i put the cost of materials in? presume i could.

diesel druggie · 28-10-2014 7:40pm

jfh wrote: »

so if you have an old slatted house with no external agitation point, can you replace the internal point(slat) with a slatted steel cover?
i think there not covering internal agitation point? either way, i'll have to get slats replaced so this would help.

You'll not be approved for payment as the aim is to get agiation point outside thats why there is a grant for removal of end wall of tank. Im in the same boat as you going to apply for slats and removal of end wall and make my mind up in the spring when I get them out

diesel druggie · 28-10-2014 7:41pm

jfh wrote: »

another question, if i was to make my own sliding doors, could i put the cost of materials in? presume i could.

Use the invoice from your steel supplier and add in your own labour

Sami23 · 29-10-2014 11:48am

diesel druggie wrote: »

Im in the same boat as you going to apply for slats and removal of end wall and make my mind up in the spring when I get them out

When u say removal of end wall do u mean end wall of tank as I wasn't sure if that could be done successfully. If it could be done I would be interested to hear as I would like to add on to my 2 bay tank to make it a 3 bay ?

lakill Farm · 29-10-2014 5:16pm

Sami23 wrote: »

When u say removal of end wall do u mean end wall of tank as I wasn't sure if that could be done successfully. If it could be done I would be interested to hear as I would like to add on to my 2 bay tank to make it a 3 bay ?

snap. and the last lad put the mixing point in the middle of the shed.

I have since knocked a wall and moved it to the edge of the tank that can be accessed from outside but is still inside if you understand

Nekarsulm · 29-10-2014 7:45pm

diesel druggie wrote: »

You'll not be approved for payment as the aim is to get agiation point outside thats why there is a grant for removal of end wall of tank. Im in the same boat as you going to apply for slats and removal of end wall and make my mind up in the spring when I get them out

Its a bit counter productive really, as like it or not, a tank over 5 bays long will need agitating/mixing in the middle. They might as well give grant for existing sheds with midway mixing points, as they probably give a grant on the sheds construction in the first place!
Surely its better to have a safe method of putting a mixer into the centre of the tank, as lifting single slats of 11 foot length is not an easy task. The first 2 are easy and safe enough, but numbers 3, 4 and 5 are bloody dangerous.

Farmer Pudsey · 29-10-2014 8:44pm

I was looking at the clear lights in my shed. I also looked at department spec. From what O can make out you will get the cage made and leave end bar longer on higher side. These are pushed up under ''U'' of clearlight profile and pushed down under lower purloin. Bars are bend at higher side to precent it slipping.

However clearlights span two purloins in general so you will need two grids/clearlight sheet. I presume that these will be each considered a separate rooflight.

Mac Taylor · 29-10-2014 8:53pm

Hoping for a bit of help on the application form, q2 "has applicant declared a minimum of 5 ha under single farm payment /area aid/iacs application?" The answer is yes, but it then asks "if yes,'please state year" I'm assuming 2014 am I right. Any help appreciated!!!!

sandydan · 29-10-2014 9:17pm

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Its a bit counter productive really, as like it or not, a tank over 5 bays long will need agitating/mixing in the middle. They might as well give grant for existing sheds with midway mixing points, as they probably give a grant on the sheds construction in the first place!
Surely its better to have a safe method of putting a mixer into the centre of the tank, as lifting single slats of 11 foot length is not an easy task. The first 2 are easy and safe enough, but numbers 3, 4 and 5 are bloody dangerous.

don't fully understand, but i assume the idea is start agitating at outside points , this in theory should get rid of slurry gas.safer than if 1st agitating inside shed.as you pointed out centre has to be agitated as heap will build up otherwise,seen it happen,slats had to be removed and digger used.
actually was in house one day when fella decided to show me his idea of air agitation, he had a 11ft long galvanised 1" pipe in hand with tap and hose attached. i heard tractor revving outside it had a yellow council type compressor on rear. he stuck pipe into unagitatated tank, full to slat,turned on air hose , i cleared out quick ,he couldn't understand why, as he said its how he does it all-time, holding pipe in hand with doors open,no lumps either,slurry gas whats that? was remark.i guess with all casualties he's more careful now, i hope.

jfh · 30-10-2014 4:54pm

Where it states "a young Farmer must hold a department identifier at the time of application" does that mean a herd number?

Sami23 · 30-10-2014 5:00pm

jfh wrote: »

Where it states "a young Farmer must hold a department identifier at the time of application" does that mean a herd number?

Yes

realtec · 30-10-2014 7:39pm

Does anyone know if you have to have claimed a farm yard parcel in the SFP 2014 application in order to claim under the grant on say doors for a shed?

richie123 · 30-10-2014 8:54pm

shrek008 wrote: »

It says on the Agriland website that its only MOBILE cattle crushes and pens that will be grant aided,does this mean that an ordinary crush and handling facilities wont be covered?

no fixed crushes not covered.youll have to fix them after works are completed and inspected.planning permission would be an issue if structures were fixed.

kowtow · 30-10-2014 8:56pm

realtec wrote: »

Does anyone know if you have to have claimed a farm yard parcel in the SFP 2014 application in order to claim under the grant on say doors for a shed?

The way I read it you do have to have claimed in 2014 which f***ks those of us taking the departments advice not to buy entitlements for 14 in order to qualify for the "Scottish Derogation" in the new CAP.

The problem with all these quick-fire schemes is poor drafting - plenty of holes in the Finance Act itself which contradict the budget speech (Green Cert for CAT exemption, for example)..

richie123 · 30-10-2014 8:59pm

Sami23 wrote: »

When u say removal of end wall do u mean end wall of tank as I wasn't sure if that could be done successfully. If it could be done I would be interested to hear as I would like to add on to my 2 bay tank to make it a 3 bay ?

i just cut two large openings in my end wall jus below slat level.then extended the tank the with of a manhole cover.

patktmh · 02-11-2014 4:19pm

I'm wondering about the mobile cattle penning.. I want to build a handling facility on an outfarm and have no problem fitting a mobile crush but what exactly does the term "mobile cattle penning mean"? Can I have a run up to the crush and gates fixed to hold cattle in a handling area before putting them up the shoot?

Sami23 · 02-11-2014 4:36pm

richie123 wrote: »

i just cut two large openings in my end wall jus below slat level.then extended the tank the with of a manhole cover.

So would it be possible to add another bay onto my 2 bay tank ?

Sami23 · 02-11-2014 4:38pm

richie123 wrote: »

i just cut two large openings in my end wall jus below slat level.then extended the tank the with of a manhole cover.

So would it b possible to add another bay onto my 2 bay tank and extend shed also ?

Bullocks · 02-11-2014 6:37pm

patktmh wrote: »

I'm wondering about the mobile cattle penning.. I want to build a handling facility on an outfarm and have no problem fitting a mobile crush but what exactly does the term "mobile cattle penning mean"? Can I have a run up to the crush and gates fixed to hold cattle in a handling area before putting them up the shoot?

It would be interesting to see what is on the market here for a cattle pen that can be moved from one farm to another . Something that is strong enough to hold 10/15 cows but light enough to be moved onto a trailer and not take long to set up .
In fairness with the amount of fragmented farms they would be a useful tool to have

MfMan · 02-11-2014 8:39pm

Bullocks wrote: »

It would be interesting to see what is on the market here for a cattle pen that can be moved from one farm to another . Something that is strong enough to hold 10/15 cows but light enough to be moved onto a trailer and not take long to set up .
In fairness with the amount of fragmented farms they would be a useful tool to have

Was looking at a few of these at the ploughing match, with a view to purchasing subject to grant approval. TH Jenkinson in Armagh had a reasonably good one, large enough for over a dozen cattle, at about €1700 VAT incl.

http://www.thjenkinson.com/Home.aspx

O'Donnell engineering also do them I think, and had a strong portable crush at about €1700 VAT incl. also.

http://www.odonnellengineering.ie/

eddiek · 02-11-2014 9:33pm

for anyone buying or already with a cattle scales is 7ft or 8ft better or does it make any difference?

Zr105 · 02-11-2014 10:15pm

eddiek wrote: »

for anyone buying or already with a cattle scales is 7ft or 8ft better or does it make any difference?

Have had cattle across both here in the yard, 7 is grand for the most part, but the 8 is a bit better for big long lanky lads. They can be a bit bunched up at times on the 7ft. Generally though if you leave it back a bit from the head gate with bigger cattle it works a bit better, enough that there's room for their head between it and the gate, but not to much that they can get a front foot past it if you get me

patktmh · 04-11-2014 3:17pm

shrek008 wrote: »

It says on the Agriland website that its only MOBILE cattle crushes and pens that will be grant aided,does this mean that an ordinary crush and handling facilities wont be covered?

I think so and I was talking to a supplier yesterday, he warned to be wary of the grant as mobile crushes and other mobile equipment is not eligible for claiming VAT back on. we could have done with some visual examples of what they mean by "mobile" penning and handling facilities before we go and erect things that may not be seen as "mobile" at all.

friesian13 · 04-11-2014 8:58pm

can i get a grant to wire a shed that ive nearly finished building?on the ag website it says "wiring/rewiring of existing farm building"what do ye think??

I said · 04-11-2014 9:04pm

friesian13 wrote: »

can i get a grant to wire a shed that ive nearly finished building?on the ag website it says "wiring/rewiring of existing farm building"what do ye think??

No harm in checking it out

Nekarsulm · 04-11-2014 9:34pm

;Will it be finished by the time inspections start?

friesian13 · 04-11-2014 9:53pm

shud b finished in the next in the next few weeks.thinkin of putting in calvin gate also.

MikeSoys · 17-11-2014 10:38pm

hey this might seem like a silly question but if i want to get the yard lights done and or rewiring of a old farm house, do i need to submit cost estimates(consult an electrician etc... prior to filling in the application?...or can i just leave the costing out (as i dont have one yet?)

Farmer Pudsey · 18-11-2014 1:22am

MikeSoys wrote: »

hey this might seem like a silly question but if i want to get the yard lights done and or rewiring of a old farm house, do i need to submit cost estimates(consult an electrician etc... prior to filling in the application?...or can i just leave the costing out (as i dont have one yet?)

Use the standard costings. You will not get in excess of it anyway.

MikeSoys · 18-11-2014 11:04pm

Cheers Pudsey - would you know where the standrd costings are on the site as all i see is
...agriculture.gov.ie/farmerschemespayments/farmbuildings/farmsafetyscheme/

Farmer Pudsey · 18-11-2014 11:11pm

MikeSoys wrote: »

Cheers Pudsey - would you know where the standrd costings are on the site as all i see is
...agriculture.gov.ie/farmerschemespayments/farmbuildings/farmsafetyscheme/

http://www.agriculture.gov.ie/farmerschemespayments/farmbuildings/farmbuildingandstructuresspecificationswordformat/

Farm safty reference costs 2014

Zr105 · 18-11-2014 11:16pm

MikeSoys wrote: »

Cheers Pudsey - would you know where the standrd costings are on the site as all i see is
...agriculture.gov.ie/farmerschemespayments/farmbuildings/farmsafetyscheme/

Here ya go, takes a bit of finding alright.... You'd think they'd have it all in the one place but then again......

http://www.agriculture.gov.ie/media/migration/farmingschemesandpayments/farmbuildings/farmbuildingspecifications/wordversions/FarmSafetySchemeReferenceCostsandExplanatoryNotes061114.doc

Timmaay · 18-11-2014 11:46pm

Two questions about the grant. Are you allowed to start work before you get approval, and then for anyone who has submitted their application in this 1st period (before end of November), when should we hear if we got approval or not?

Zr105 · 18-11-2014 11:59pm

Timmaay wrote: »

Two questions about the grant. Are you allowed to start work before you get approval, and then for anyone who has submitted their application in this 1st period (before end of November), when should we hear if we got approval or not?

Must have approval before commencing work, or else they won't pay out.... Not sure on when they'll approve,

orm0nd · 19-11-2014 11:58am

I got a letter that my application was received, I now have to wait for approval from my local office before i can do any work

Sami23 · 19-11-2014 12:02pm

orm0nd wrote: »

I got a letter that my application was received, I now have to wait for approval from my local office before i can do any work

What measures did you apply for ?

Charliebull · 19-11-2014 3:15pm

MikeSoys wrote: »

hey this might seem like a silly question but if i want to get the yard lights done and or rewiring of a old farm house, do i need to submit cost estimates(consult an electrician etc... prior to filling in the application?...or can i just leave the costing out (as i dont have one yet?)

as pudsey says use standard costs, you also need a plan of the buildings to submit with application

Charliebull · 19-11-2014 3:16pm

Timmaay wrote: »

Two questions about the grant. Are you allowed to start work before you get approval, and then for anyone who has submitted their application in this 1st period (before end of November), when should we hear if we got approval or not?

approval first, when did you apply tim

orm0nd wrote: »

I got a letter that my application was received, I now have to wait for approval from my local office before i can do any work

when did you apply ormond, i applied 2 weeks ago and nothing back yet,

omly found out afterwards there is a min spend to qualify

Count Mondego · 19-11-2014 5:26pm

Lads,

A bit of advise needed. I have 2 slatted sheds that have 3 tanks between them. The end of each tank overshoots the shed wall to allow for external agitation. This overshoot is covered by four single slats on each one, as shown in the attached pictures. the Slats are 11'6" long, 7" high and 7" wide. I want to replace all of these single slats with a gang slat with a manhole in the middle. My problem is that there is not enough room for a full 6 rib gang slat as there is only about 4' of the tank exposed.

I could remove the single slat that is under the wall and then push the new gang slat into this place, which might allow enough clearance, the gang slat would be over hanging the tank by one slat but all of the manhole would be over the tank cavity itself.

Alternatively, have any of you created a steel lid that covers this full opening and can be hinged up? This might be cheaper altogether. If you have, throw up an auld picture.

Thanks

Nekarsulm · 19-11-2014 5:53pm

You could either cut one "slat" off the gang slat, or just lay the entire gang slat on the tank, and the opening "man hole" or should I say "agitation point" will still be over the tank and allow your mixer in.

MikeSoys · 19-11-2014 9:08pm

Charliebull wrote: »

as pudsey says use standard costs, you also need a plan of the buildings to submit with application

thanks ..by a plan of the buildings.. is a half decent drawing of the building with the proposed changes alright - do you think?

MikeSoys · 19-11-2014 9:09pm

Charliebull wrote: »

approval first, when did you apply tim

when did you apply ormond, i applied 2 weeks ago and nothing back yet,

omly found out afterwards there is a min spend to qualify

hey Charlieull whats the min spend?

MikeSoys · 19-11-2014 9:10pm

Charliebull wrote: »

approval first, when did you apply tim

when did you apply ormond, i applied 2 weeks ago and nothing back yet,

omly found out afterwards there is a min spend to qualify

hey Charliebull whats the min spend?

Zr105 · 19-11-2014 9:33pm

MikeSoys wrote: »

hey Charliebull whats the min spend?

2grand plus vat minimum spend to qualify, 8grand maximum pay out, but I'd say very few will get that much depending on the amount that apply...

MikeSoys · 19-11-2014 10:23pm

Zr105 wrote: »

2grand plus vat minimum spend to qualify, 8grand maximum pay out, but I'd say very few will get that much depending on the amount that apply...

2grand!! oh my...wasent thinking of spending that much on rewiring/yard lights etc...ah well
:-(

Charliebull · 19-11-2014 11:22pm

MikeSoys wrote: »

thanks ..by a plan of the buildings.. is a half decent drawing of the building with the proposed changes alright - do you think?

Just a basic plan to show area of buildings to be re wired and plan yard showing light positions

limo_100 · 19-11-2014 11:28pm

anyone gonna extend the end wall of the tank i have to do one shed one at each end

orm0nd · 20-11-2014 12:30am

Sami23 wrote: »

What measures did you apply for ?

all sheep handling , mobile race, scales, penning etc

Charliebull wrote: »

approval first, when did you apply tim

when did you apply ormond, i applied 2 weeks ago and nothing back yet,

omly found out afterwards there is a min spend to qualify

they recd it 29th October

Farm safety grants

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