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Farm safety grants

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    #2
    Connemara Farmer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,975 ✭✭✭Connemara Farmer


    Sheep handling race, happy days, I better feckin qualify for it, if it's TAMS I'm screwed - again.


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    #3
    bogman_bass
    Registered Users Posts: 5,057 ✭✭✭bogman_bass


    how are cattle scales counted as saftey equipment?


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    #4
    Connemara Farmer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,975 ✭✭✭Connemara Farmer


    bogman_bass wrote: »
    how are cattle scales counted as saftey equipment?

    You won't have to strain the back bear hugging them onto the bathroom scales any longer.


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    #5
    Nekarsulm
    Registered Users Posts: 11,190 ✭✭✭✭Nekarsulm


    Great news on the Agitation gang slats. Need six, but I suppose only the four exterior agitation points will qualify. Very nearly came to a sticky end during the summer.


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    #6
    Brass Tag
    Closed Accounts Posts: 141 ✭✭Brass Tag


    Nekarsulm wrote: »
    Great news on the Agitation gang slats. Need six, but I suppose only the four exterior agitation points will qualify. Very nearly came to a sticky end during the summer.

    Have an old tank with slats on 26 years now. Must be getting to the point where they are a safety issue. Would these qualify I wonder??
    3 bay 11ft 6inch slats.


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    5live
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,438 ✭✭✭5live


    What is the 'circulation pipe(6") to allow for agitation of slurry'?

    The leg hoist and scales for cattle and sheep will be on my santa list anyway.


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    Muckit
    Registered Users Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Muckit


    Great to see this grant come in for such an important thing as safety.

    It would have been great if it extended to chainsaw gear like trousers, boots and gloves.


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    #9
    _Brian
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    Great move.
    Strange it's under the 07-13 RDP, must have unspent funds.

    PTO shafts would have been another good item to cover.

    Still, it's a progressive move.


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    shrek008
    Registered Users Posts: 162 ✭✭shrek008


    It says on the Agriland website that its only MOBILE cattle crushes and pens that will be grant aided,does this mean that an ordinary crush and handling facilities wont be covered?


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    C0N0R
    Registered Users Posts: 1,923 ✭✭✭C0N0R


    Anti backing bars would be nice! How much are a set of scales?


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    MfMan
    Registered Users Posts: 3,380 ✭✭✭MfMan


    C0N0R wrote: »
    Anti backing bars would be nice! How much are a set of scales?

    I'm sure a biteen more now that this announcement has been made!

    Anywhere from 1050 - 1550 I'd say.


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    blue5000
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,627 Mod ✭✭✭✭blue5000


    C0N0R wrote: »
    Anti backing bars would be nice! How much are a set of scales?
    Ballpark 1300 + vat

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



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    Bodacious
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,274 ✭✭✭Bodacious


    great idea


    foot hoist and head scoop.. would love a scales too to be honest


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    #15
    Farmer
    Registered Users Posts: 750 ✭✭✭Farmer


    Muckit wrote: »

    ..... would have been great if it extended to chainsaw gear like trousers, boots and gloves.

    These, and pto covers, as mentioned by Brian, should at least be zero vat - in the same category as food. They keep us alive!


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    kowtow
    Registered Users Posts: 6,135 ✭✭✭kowtow


    Does anyone know how far the "covers for external slurry store" is likely to go?

    Is this about covering a small tank or roofing, or slatting over even, an external concrete tank? Or am I confused?

    Also how do we know what qualifications are required for an application? Will it be limited to those who claim SFP?


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    #17
    Reggie.
    Registered Users Posts: 24,370 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    MfMan wrote: »
    I'm sure a biteen more now that this announcement has been made!

    Anywhere from 1050 - 1550 I'd say.

    Yeah your right. Always thought of getting a set of scales but the manufacturers will think this grand is for them and up the price more than likely


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    Connemara Farmer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,975 ✭✭✭Connemara Farmer


    Should there be a price freeze on these items before announcements like this?


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    Reggie.
    Registered Users Posts: 24,370 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    Connemara Farmer wrote: »
    Should there be a price freeze on these items before announcements like this?

    Surely then industries would cry wolf about input increases then. Pure coincidence I'm sure


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    #20
    Connemara Farmer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,975 ✭✭✭Connemara Farmer


    Reggie. wrote: »
    Surely then industries would cry wolf about input increases then. Pure coincidence I'm sure

    Sure let them, no one pays much notice when farmers bemoan the price of feed fert or chemicals.


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    #21
    Reggie.
    Registered Users Posts: 24,370 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    Connemara Farmer wrote: »
    Sure let them, no one pays much notice when farmers bemoan the price of feed fert or chemicals.

    But would they have more clout when bemoaning


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    #22
    Connemara Farmer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,975 ✭✭✭Connemara Farmer


    Reggie. wrote: »
    But would they have more clout when bemoaning

    Possibly, to protect "jobs" they may need to gouge primary producers. I wonder do the mining companies (more primary producers) take hits like that for getting iron etc out of the ground?


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    I said
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    50% mark up on all items with these grants


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    #24
    kowtow
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    I said wrote: »
    50% mark up on all items with these grants

    Any reason why we couldn't import things like calving gates, scales, etc. from the UK?


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    #25
    micraX
    Registered Users Posts: 752 ✭✭✭micraX


    kowtow wrote: »
    Any reason why we couldn't import things like calving gates, scales, etc. from the UK?

    Sure just use them over there and import the beef and milk:)


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    Reggie.
    Registered Users Posts: 24,370 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    kowtow wrote: »
    Any reason why we couldn't import things like calving gates, scales, etc. from the UK?

    Be more expensive would it not?


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    #27
    I said
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    kowtow wrote: »
    Any reason why we couldn't import things like calving gates, scales, etc. from the UK?

    Did ya try and import a slatted shed when the grants were available?


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    st1979
    Registered Users Posts: 936 ✭✭✭st1979


    yes you can use imported stuff and get grant aid as long as its from eu country. you can run into problems reclaiming vat if you are un registered. way around that is to get your builder mate who is vat registered to buy it they pay no vat then sell it to you with irish vat. he pays the irish government the vat and you reclaim it from irish government.
    micrax what should farmers do if the middle man gets so busy supplying grant equipment that the price goes up by 40%. this happened last time. should we do without this safety equipment due to it becoming too dear even with the grant or have the option of keeping them honest and charging a fair price that is not artificially inflated due to a grant.
    on the last grant I had a price for parlour before grant was improved and 18mts later got price for same parlour and it had gone from 21k to 32k. was fobbed off that it was the price of stainless had doubled. went north and parlour had gone up by 1500 due to stainless price increase. 1 supplier tried to tell me the grant was actually for them to stay in business not for the farmer.
    looking at this grant and I see a few things I could do with as my safety on farm has to improve as got kids now.


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    #29
    I said
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    Did my shed in 10 they were delighted to get the work no grant and about 2/3rds cheaper than neighbours that was built with grant


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    Farmer Pudsey
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    You can source product from any EU country. I think with EU regulation that you can reclaim vat through Irish revenue comissioners. However most NI companies and some UK companies will have an Irish VAT no as well. Bought slats from NI for last grant scheme. They wre 20% cheaper and of as good a spec if not better ( they were UK tractor spec but only Irish standard speced) than similar Irish slats.

    On things like scales and steel for crushes it will be hard for suppliers to increase prices. Also the amount of grant money available will limit price increases. The last envoirment scheme was a couple of billion worth of work that was pushed into about 18 months. general building wark was strong at the time as well. This scheme will be much smaller and farmers will have better bargining power.

    In general for the spect of shed I build the last time I think I stll got value for money yes I was gouged a bit but on scale of things it was at or near only 20% over and above normal prices. However from talking to grant inspector some were rode bare back but agaim there are always these inviduals.


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    kowtow
    Registered Users Posts: 6,135 ✭✭✭kowtow


    Farmer Pudsey wrote: »
    You can source product from any EU country. I think with EU regulation that you can reclaim vat through Irish revenue comissioners. However most NI companies and some UK companies will have an Irish VAT no as well. Bought slats from NI for last grant scheme. They wre 20% cheaper and of as good a spec if not better ( they were UK tractor spec but only Irish standard speced) than similar Irish slats.

    ... This scheme will be much smaller and farmers will have better bargining power.

    In general for the spect of shed I build the last time I think I stll got value for money yes I was gouged a bit but on scale of things it was at or near only 20% over and above normal prices. However from talking to grant inspector some were rode bare back but agaim there are always these inviduals.

    I suspect you are right about the smaller items - also things like re-wiring, yard lighting etc. are all subject to a wider market with very strong competition on materials prices.

    Always bugs me when these grant schemes are dreamt up and end up increasing prices left right and centre. Civil Servants and politicians should have the words "unintended consequences" permanently tattooed somewhere they cant forget them.


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