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Wheelie Bin Pay-by-weight discussion thread

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  • #52
    working fool
    Registered Users Posts: 813 ✭✭✭working fool


    guil wrote: »
    Lots of recycling bins are going to to be left unemptied.



    Now here's the catch

    If a recycling bin is left because of contamination

    The old system was to lift it with the general waste truck

    Will you be charged by weight ???


  • #53
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Cortina_MK_IV wrote: »
    And on the roads and beaches. Last time I was on Port Beach (Louth) the mattress count had gone up also general crap that some f**kers just throw over the wall and indeed along the roads. €2 for the recycle centre in Dundalk FFS for the mattresses and building crap.

    You should head up the mountain where the transmitter outside Dundalk is if you want to how much time and money people will spend to avoid the recycling centre :p.


  • #54
    guil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,497 ✭✭✭✭guil


    working fool wrote: »
    Now here's the catch

    If a recycling bin is left because of contamination

    The old system was to lift it with the general waste truck

    Will you be charged by weight ???
    Id love to know. I drive a refuse truck and we know nothing yet only that we won't be allowed into 60k or less areas before 6am. Days are going to get longer and people will be complaining about the trucks being around in the evening.


  • #55
    working fool
    Registered Users Posts: 813 ✭✭✭working fool


    guil wrote: »
    Id love to know. I drive a refuse truck and we know nothing yet only that we won't be allowed into 60k or less areas before 6am. Days are going to get longer and people will be complaining about the trucks being around in the evening.

    This will be the norm
    Sadly anywhere that has no dumping signs
    Will be destroyed

    Basically the signs mean you can get away dumping stuff here
    Other people have done it before


  • #56
    Yggr of Asgard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,231 ✭✭✭Yggr of Asgard


    guil wrote: »
    Id love to know. I drive a refuse truck and we know nothing yet only that we won't be allowed into 60k or less areas before 6am. Days are going to get longer and people will be complaining about the trucks being around in the evening.

    Where I live the compost and green bin are emptied on the same day (Friday)

    The compost bin truck comes at 0730 in the morning and the green bin truck comes around 1600 Fridays (but in the last 3 month it did not show 3 times), so I'm used to strange times and sometimes it looks like it's the same guys on the truck.

    But due to the monopoly of Greenstar/Panda in my region I have no choice once Greenstar raises their prices.


  • #57
    Lux23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,134 ✭✭✭Lux23


    Has anyone seen the list of streets that are exempt from having to use wheelie bins? We can probably keep the bins in the garden, but I don't know how we can stop the other animals who share our garden from dumping their crap in our bin? Can you buy wheelie bin locks?


  • #58
    Cortina_MK_IV
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,350 ✭✭✭Cortina_MK_IV


    Lux23 wrote: »
    Has anyone seen the list of streets that are exempt from having to use wheelie bins? We can probably keep the bins in the garden, but I don't know how we can stop the other animals who share our garden from dumping their crap in our bin? Can you buy wheelie bin locks?

    Yes... :)
    working fool wrote: »
    http://www.ebay.ie/itm/171900543691


  • #59
    guil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,497 ✭✭✭✭guil


    Yggr of Asgard wrote: »
    Where I live the compost and green bin are emptied on the same day (Friday)

    The compost bin truck comes at 0730 in the morning and the green bin truck comes around 1600 Fridays (but in the last 3 month it did not show 3 times), so I'm used to strange times and sometimes it looks like it's the same guys on the truck.

    But due to the monopoly of Greenstar/Panda in my region I have no choice once Greenstar raises their prices.
    Any chance they are being emptied into the one truck now? There is trucks we call split bodies or twin pack that has 2 seperaty compartments inside. Most of them have 3 bin lifts on the back but some will only have 2.


  • #60
    tnegun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,739 ✭✭✭tnegun


    Just did my own sums here this morning. I am a pay per lift customer with Thorntons and spent €210 with them over the last 12-13 months. I put the black bin out 9 times, the brown 8 and the green for almost every lift.

    My standing charge is going from €60 to €104 and based on the new lift charges will see my annual cost rise to €350. So thats an extra €140 being extracted from me for the same waste. If it was going into a green project or at least back to the state I could bear it but this is just more profit for a private company right?


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  • #61
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    tnegun wrote: »
    Just did my own sums here this morning. I am a pay per lift customer with Thorntons and spent €210 with them over the last 12-13 months. I put the black bin out 9 times, the brown 8 and the green for almost every lift.

    My standing charge is going from €60 to €104 and based on the new lift charges will see my annual cost rise to €350. So thats an extra €140 being extracted from me for the same waste. If it was going into a green project or at least back to the state I could bear it but this is just more profit for a private company right?

    More than likely, yes. FF abolishing the rates in 1977 is still having repercussions with such services like domestic waste collection having been privatised. You now have situations where in certain areas a for profit company has a monopoly meaning they can screw the customer as much as they like.


  • #62
    JimsAlterEgo
    Registered Users Posts: 1,917 ✭✭✭JimsAlterEgo


    tnegun wrote: »
    Just did my own sums here this morning. I am a pay per lift customer with Thorntons and spent €210 with them over the last 12-13 months. I put the black bin out 9 times, the brown 8 and the green for almost every lift.

    My standing charge is going from €60 to €104 and based on the new lift charges will see my annual cost rise to €350. So thats an extra €140 being extracted from me for the same waste. If it was going into a green project or at least back to the state I could bear it but this is just more profit for a private company right?

    thorntons used to take an annual charge so they surely have to refund this, I paid min in Jan.


  • #63
    Bre-head
    Registered Users Posts: 8 ✭Bre-head


    JimsAlterEgo wrote: »
    thorntons used to take an annual charge so they surely have to refund this, I paid min in Jan.

    Yes Thornton's have said they will transfer any amount remaining from your annual service charge onto your pay as you go account & this can be used against lift charges.

    But with their annual charge going from €50 per year to €2 per week (i.e €104) we are going to be screwed - doing quick sums here our annual bill will increase by 30/40%..

    Would be interested to see Green star charges if anyone had seen them yet please (not a sign in their website) but let's just see, do you think there will be similar pricing policy by all companies?? Does a bear sh*t in the woods?

    Don't think the majority of people have woken up to these increases just yet...expect Joe Duffy & regular caller 'Mary from Clontarf' to be all over it from July 1st..


  • #64
    Bre-head
    Registered Users Posts: 8 ✭Bre-head


    Actually just spotted this on another thread - looks like Thornton's will still be (slightly) cheaper than Green Star but still huge increases

    "Greyhound new service charge 3.25 per week or 140.00 per year
    35c kg Black bin
    23c kg Brown bin
    0c Green bin'


  • #65
    JimsAlterEgo
    Registered Users Posts: 1,917 ✭✭✭JimsAlterEgo


    assume you can use this to exit contract?

    anyone know what city bins charges are?


  • #66
    Yggr of Asgard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,231 ✭✭✭Yggr of Asgard


    JimsAlterEgo wrote: »
    assume you can use this to exit contract?

    anyone know what city bins charges are?

    Depends on your area, but you can see the prices as soon as you enter your estate on their online signup tool in the first step: https://www.citybin.com/signup/


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  • #67
    guil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,497 ✭✭✭✭guil


    Bre-head wrote: »
    Actually just spotted this on another thread - looks like Thornton's will still be (slightly) cheaper than Green Star but still huge increases

    "Greyhound new service charge 3.25 per week or 140.00 per year
    35c kg Black bin
    23c kg Brown bin
    0c Green bin'

    That's greyhound prices. I'm presuming greenstar will be different.


  • #68
    Yggr of Asgard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,231 ✭✭✭Yggr of Asgard


    guil wrote: »
    That's greyhound prices. I'm presuming greenstar will be different.

    I think greenstar will charge slightly less than panda to not endanger the takeover investigation to at least fake some consumer protection.

    But that is just cynical me based on my expectation, I still have to get the promised letter telling me my new prices, despite that it's less than 3 weeks until they go into effect.


  • #69
    allthedoyles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,893 ✭✭✭allthedoyles


    Same here waiting on greenstar letter but looking at other prices here i reckon our annual charges will double


  • #70
    rubberdungeon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 607 ✭✭✭rubberdungeon


    From AES Waste (Meath)

    I can advise you the charges for Pay by Weight is as follows, The service charge is €90 for six months or €15 per month.
    • Waste bin = 25 cent per KG
    • Recycling bin = 0 cent per KG
    • Organic bin = 15 cent per KG
    • Glass Bin = 0 cent per KG


  • #71
    working fool
    Registered Users Posts: 813 ✭✭✭working fool


    rubberdungeon wrote: »
    From AES Waste (Meath)

    I can advise you the charges for Pay by Weight is as follows, The service charge is €90 for six months or €15 per month.
    • Waste bin = 25 cent per KG
    • Recycling bin = 0 cent per KG
    • Organic bin = 15 cent per KG
    • Glass Bin = 0 cent per KG

    Are Aes still using the shoe box size brown bin scam ?


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  • #72
    Yggr of Asgard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,231 ✭✭✭Yggr of Asgard


    Glass Bin, I wish Greenstar would bring that back. They took it away when Fingal County Council did not like them doing it, promised to bring it back once that was cleared up but never did.

    And with the monopoly of Panda/Greenstar in my region there is no choice here.


  • #73
    _Brian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,617 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    Oxygen are our bin supplier. Contacted them this morning regarding new charges and was told they weren't set yet and it would probably be two weeks before we'd be contacted.


  • #74
    rubberdungeon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 607 ✭✭✭rubberdungeon


    working fool wrote: »
    Are Aes still using the shoe box size brown bin scam ?

    No, they are in the process of issuing new brown bins, they are similar size to the glass bin. You have to request a new one though.


  • #75
    allthedoyles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,893 ✭✭✭allthedoyles


    IMG_1358_zpsvi7wporg.jpg

    As of today here is the prices with Greenstar in Wexford

    So I will compare later on when new system is in place


  • #76
    JimsAlterEgo
    Registered Users Posts: 1,917 ✭✭✭JimsAlterEgo


    _Brian wrote: »
    Oxygen are our bin supplier. Contacted them this morning regarding new charges and was told they weren't set yet and it would probably be two weeks before we'd be contacted.

    surely they should be required to give more notice.


  • #77
    freshpopcorn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,809 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    We're with Mr Binman down in Cork and our contract was up for renewal at the start of June and for the recycling bin/black bin and food bin it's €179 for six months. Prior to this we were ringing them to find out how much it was going to be from the 1st of July and they said they didn't know. However on the back of the bill it said charges can change during get the billing period.
    They've been a good company to deal with and if you leave an extra bag of rubbish/recycling by the bin they've no problem with taking it.(we haven't done this in a ages, but they seem to still to do it.)
    We can now log in to view our bin weights and one of landfills bins was 99kg.


  • #78
    _Brian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,617 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    _Brian wrote: »
    Oxygen are our bin supplier. Contacted them this morning regarding new charges and was told they weren't set yet and it would probably be two weeks before we'd be contacted.
    JimsAlterEgo wrote: »
    surely they should be required to give more notice.

    Apparently not.. bit mad


  • #79
    banbhaaifric
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 245 ✭✭banbhaaifric


    New Greenstar cork charges, arrived this morning.
    Monthly charge €19.50
    Refuse €0.18 per KG
    Compost €0.14

    My last year cost €220 in total

    This is €234 before the first collection....


  • #80
    Yggr of Asgard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,231 ✭✭✭Yggr of Asgard


    Greenstar Finglas has informed me about the new rates:

    Monthly Service Charge of €13
    Refuse Bin per KG €0.33
    Recyling Bin per KG €0.00 (yes free)
    Compost Bin per KG €0.20

    Thee is no more lift charge just monthly and per kg.

    They also now invoice every 2 month.

    Assuming the same usage as over the last 12 month I'm going from €193.62 to €242.56, a whopping 25% price increase.


  • #81
    Eire girl
    Registered Users Posts: 49 ✭Eire girl


    JimsAlterEgo wrote: »
    surely they should be required to give more notice.

    Yes they are required to do so but the wording on it is typically Irish & very vague... Consumer Rights are asking people to email them in copies of letters they've received & the amount of notice you've been given.
    I'm not allowed to post email address' yet as i'm new but it's : ask at ccpc dot ie


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  • #82
    coylemj
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,490 ✭✭✭✭coylemj


    I was under the impression that the standard charge would be drastically reduced in favour of a higher per kg rate for general refuse, instead Greenstar (Dun Laoghaire) has jacked up my service charge to €13 per month (€156 p.a.) from €57.27 p.a. The per kg general refuse charge has gone up from 28c to 33c with the per lift charge lift eliminated.

    The increase in service charge is €98.73 p.a. which would pay for 30 lifts at €3.20 each but there are only 26 collections of general refuse in the year!

    I can't see that anyone is better off, regardless of how much refuse they are putting out. The elimination of the 'per lift' charge will benefit people who leave a bin out every collection day but regardless of how much waste they produce, they will still be worse off under the new scheme.

    People like me who produce very little refuse (I have my own compost bin) will be seriously p1ssed off at these changes. They were supposed to alter the charging structure to benefit people who produced little waste, instead they have done the exact opposite. I can see a big increase in illegal dumping coming down the line.


  • #83
    ct5amr2ig1nfhp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,019 ✭✭✭ct5amr2ig1nfhp


    Guessing Panda will be very similar.
    Yggr of Asgard wrote: »
    Greenstar Finglas has informed me about the new rates:

    Monthly Service Charge of €13
    Refuse Bin per KG €0.33
    Recyling Bin per KG €0.00 (yes free)
    Compost Bin per KG €0.20

    Thee is no more lift charge just monthly and per kg.

    They also now invoice every 2 month.

    Assuming the same usage as over the last 12 month I'm going from €193.62 to €242.56, a whopping 25% price increase.


  • #84
    Toto Wolfcastle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,005 ✭✭✭✭Toto Wolfcastle


    Samara Victorious Ventilation wrote: »
    Guessing Panda will be very similar.

    Someone in the D15 forum posted these prices for Panda.
    Yearly service charge up from €110 to €118. Again payable yearly or 6monthly.

    Black bin: €3.20 for the lift and 27c per kg on top of this charge.
    Brown bin: €2.56 for the lift and 16c per kg on top.


  • #85
    Peckham
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,546 ✭✭✭Peckham


    Similarly, did my sums for Thorntons in Bray.

    Increase of 49%.

    2 adults, 2 kids. Nothing unusual in the waste, and very diligent sorting the brown, green and black bin waste.

    Emailed Thorntons and got a copy-paste reply about them offering best value, suggesting they were doing me a favour spreading the service charge over 52 weeks rather than upfront annual charge, and that benefit to me was that I could put the bins out on every collection day.

    Worth every cent of the 140 euro increase! 😉


  • #86
    Yggr of Asgard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,231 ✭✭✭Yggr of Asgard


    Looking at all of these charge the question raises was there collusion by the companies to all raise the prices because there is no competition at present? the CCPC should really investigate this.


  • #87
    vicwatson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    AES say 90€ for 6 months and 25c per kilo general waste

    Increase for me of about 20%, arrggh


  • #88
    vicwatson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    allthedoyles wrote: »
    IMG_1358_zpsvi7wporg.jpg

    As of today here is the prices with Greenstar in Wexford

    So I will compare later on when new system is in place

    Have green star not issued pay by weight charges yet?


  • #89
    _Brian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,617 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    So, we did some quick calculations and we reckon that we'll see an increase of ~€120 a year, was expected.

    What surprises me is that so many people thought that their charges would actually come down. Private refuse companies were handed a golden ticket to increase prices and they are unlikely to turn it down.


  • #90
    2RockMountain
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,012 ✭✭✭2RockMountain


    vicwatson wrote: »
    Have green star not issued pay by weight charges yet?

    We got the Greenstar letter today - Dun Laoghaire Rathdown area - see attached:

    Our current plan is;
    DLRC Standard Plan

    Single annual payment of €65.00

    General Waste
    Standing charge: €65.00
    Cost per Lift: €3.20
    Cost per KG: €0.280

    Compost Waste
    Standing Charge: €22
    Cost per Lift: €2.5
    Cost per KG: €0.20

    So the standing charge is nearly doubling, but the lift charges are gone, as far as I can see.


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  • #91
    allthedoyles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,893 ✭✭✭allthedoyles


    vicwatson wrote: »
    Have green star not issued pay by weight charges yet?

    We didn't get letter yet , but then again Greenstar have 80,000 customers to write to


  • #92
    allthedoyles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,893 ✭✭✭allthedoyles


    Yggr of Asgard wrote: »
    Looking at all of these charge the question raises was there collusion by the companies to all raise the prices because there is no competition at present? the CCPC should really investigate this.

    It puzzles me to that the Government sets a minimum fee of 11c for black bin and yet these companies are setting rates of up to 35c per black bin..

    The Govt are allowing the collector to charge a service fee , so extra cost per kg should be investigated .


  • #93
    dudara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,518 ✭✭✭✭dudara


    Moved to the new Recycling and Domestic Waste Disposal forum

    dudara


  • #94
    naughtysmurf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,268 ✭✭✭naughtysmurf


    Been paying by weight in Limerick for years, family of 4, recycle & compost what I can, €336 this year approx


  • #95
    WealthyB
    Registered Users Posts: 436 ✭✭WealthyB


    CityBin emailed me today - Dublin South Central

    - Service Charge per month €15.12
    (They say it's €3.49 per week but it's actually 15.12 per month after speaking with them)
    - Black Bin €0.27 per Kg
    - Brown Bin €0.17 per Kg
    - Green Bin Free

    Based on this, my average monthly cost is going from €18 to €35 er month
    Young families with kids in nappies being fleeced by this new structure.

    Has anyone done a comprehensive comparison per supplier in Dublin? I'd be happy to put all this down in one spreadsheet so Dublin consumers could do a price comparison.

    EDIT: Comparison Thread over here: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=100043375


  • #96
    MrMorooka
    Registered Users Posts: 710 ✭✭✭MrMorooka


    So what are people doing in rented accommodation? I live in a house converted into flats(very common I'm sure) and up to now each flat has put out bags(first from Greyhound, then they stopped taking bags, so we switched to Abbey Waste). Should each flat now sign up for a bin service and have 12 bins hanging about the house? What happens if I pay for this and then move, what happens to the bins? It doesn't seem fair to have the landlord sign up, since it is pay by weight and he is not the "polluter" under the polluter pays principle.

    Also, I note Abbey Waste now have a notice on their site(http://www.abbeywaste.ie/) about not collecting bags except in the areas where DCC allow it. Earlier in the year they assured the new regs would not affect them and they would continue bag collection :rolleyes:


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  • #97
    Steve
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,584 ✭✭✭✭Steve


    So based on published prices available on the web, the two options I have are Thorntons or City Bin.

    Based on 2015 usage, I am facing a 43% increase in charges - BECAUSE I ALREADY RECYCLE AND HOME COMPOST!!

    This is nuts.


    Thorntons old Thorntons new City bin option 1 old City bin option 1 new City bin option 2 old City bin option 2 new
    Monthly fee €18.00 €12.95 €6.00
    Annual fee €50.00 €104.00 €216.00 €155.40 €72.00 €139.00
    Black bin lift €9.90 €- €- €- €9.00
    Black bin kilo €- €0.35 €- €0.30 €- €0.30

    2015 Black lifts 10 €99.00 €- €- €- €90.00 €-
    Black kilos 312 €- €109.20 €- €93.60 €- €93.60
    Months 12 €50.00 €104.00 €216.00 €155.40 €72.00 €139.00
    Total €149.00 €213.20 €216.00 €249.00 €162.00 €232.60

    Increase 43% 15% 44%


  • #98
    Yggr of Asgard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,231 ✭✭✭Yggr of Asgard


    I guess I am lucky that my price will only go up by 26%.

    Those of us who already recycle are the looser of this "reform".

    But it might also lead to me putting the bin out now every 2 weeks even if it's just for a kg because if I have to pay a radical higher yearly fee than I have no incentive of waiting until it's reasonable full. Will bring more lifts and hence more work to the bin company and hence reduce their cost base.


  • #99
    the magician
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 242 ✭✭the magician


    Got the email from city bin today as well. 3.49 a week 17c kilo for brown/compost and 27c kilo for grey. Based on my usage for the last year ,my bill will go up 53%.

    We have 1 child in nappies so I won't be able to reduce my grey bin weight too much more for another 2 years. We already recycle and use the brown bin as much as possible.


  • #100
    2RockMountain
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,012 ✭✭✭2RockMountain


    Steve wrote: »
    So based on published prices available on the web, the two options I have are Thorntons or City Bin.

    Based on 2015 usage, I am facing a 43% increase in charges - BECAUSE I ALREADY RECYCLE AND HOME COMPOST!!

    This is nuts.

    You wouldn't like to stick the spreadsheet up on Google Drive or somewhere, would you? Save a few of us having to rebuild it.


  • #101
    WealthyB
    Registered Users Posts: 436 ✭✭WealthyB


    the magician wrote: »
    Got the email from city bin today as well. 3.49 a week 17c kilo for brown/compost and 27c kilo for grey. Based on my usage for the last year ,my bill will go up 53%.

    We have 1 child in nappies so I won't be able to reduce my grey bin weight too much more for another 2 years. We already recycle and use the brown bin as much as possible.

    Exact same boat as you mate. Got another 2 years of nappies to get through.

    One thing - it's not €3.49 a week but in fact €15.12 a month.

    my last 4 months had I been on the new billing it'd be 71% more expensive. Scandalous.


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