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NBA Regular Season & Playoffs 2018-19 Thread
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Portland finally win a playoff game after 10 losses in a row
Paul George is clearly still hurt, he was terrible yesterday, went 4/15 from 3, barely drove to the basket and never really even thought about passing the ball.
Kanter, who Billy Donovan previously said can't be played in the playoffs, was great. 20/18 with 7 of those 18 rebounds being offensive and he even got 2 blocks on decent defence! I think OKC could be an okay matchup for him defensively because they don't really have many guys that can force him to defend the perimeter.
Lillard was on fire from deeeeep too:
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Osmosis Jones wrote: »Oh yeah and Giannis dunked from a few inches beyond the FT line
First post in a long time but he travels before he dribbles.
Insanely impressive nonetheless.
Now I'm a Giannis-hater no doubt.....I'm most definitely not btw.0 -
ButtersSuki wrote: »First post in a long time but he travels before he dribbles. Insanely impressive nonetheless.
Now I'm a Giannis-hater no doubt.....I'm most definitely not btw.
First post back Butters and you start that stuff. Glad to have you back and all but don't understand why you'd kick it off like that.
On a side note, I saw a pretty good video of the evolution of dribbling recently and the 3 step gathering has changed the game so much.
Incredible how players didn't even turn their wrist while dribbling, almost patting at the ball.
I'll have to try and find it, well worth a watch.0 -
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First post back Butters and you start that stuff. Glad to have you back and all but don't understand why you'd kick it off like that.
On a side note, I saw a pretty good video of the evolution of dribbling recently and the 3 step gathering has changed the game so much.
Incredible how players didn't even turn their wrist while dribbling, almost patting at the ball.
I'll have to try and find it, well worth a watch.
Thanks for the welcome post, even if somewhat guarded.
Travelling has always been my major, major hate, I can't let that one slide. Would be interested in that video if you can find it. There's a very good Coach Nick and Ronnie Nunn B'Ball Breakdown on that subject from a few years back that's worth a look. I'll have a look for it over the weekend if I think of it.
I've wanted to post a few things lately, amongst them:- Paul Pierce going old-man crazy claiming firstly he was a better shooter than Klay (for which he didn't get much criticism), and then a better player than Wade (for which he did). I hate to be an old man giving out about and old man but come on.....and I'm a Celtics fan
- Magic doing Magic things. Where would I even start on that one?
- The Wade game winner 3 against GS which wasn't actually a 3 and wasn't over-ruled which drove me crazy. In case I need to explain why it wasn't have a look at it first and I'll answer it then if needed
- Le Bron making guys All NBA Teams playing 55 games and having a losing season....and that's before I mention his part in the AD mess. Journalists saying they couldn't vote Butler onto an All Star Team due to his opening season T'Wolves theatrics but give LeBron yet another pass, smh.
But I couldn't because I was banned.........
In other news, Giannis for MVP for me for lots of reasons but basically because he plays both ends at elite level and his per 36s are insane.
I'd also ask if those of you knocking Russ (a few pages back) for averaging a 20+ pt triple double 3 years straight have any idea how hard that is? Cut the stat padding line, it's insane that he did this once, let alone 3 times. He's the smallest player ever to average 10 rebounds in the NBA btw, and the way he brings it every night - come on. Simmons always talks about the 90-10 guy and that how you focus on the 90 too much and forget the 10% you don't like. With Russ people seem to focus on the 10 far too much. There's a lot of commentary over the past few weeks that he's under-rated now (yes I saw the player vote, but players mess up every vote it seems).
I'll be back more regularly from now on hopefully.
Game 2 predictions:
East:
Philly
Toronto
Boston
Bucks
West:
GS
Denver
Houston
OKC (I'm assuming Paul George isn't as injured as he looked or ruled out)
Finally, very sad to see what happened in Paris tonight. I love hoops, but I love architecture too, and lived in Paris for a while. Stunning building. 0 -
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Have yet to see the documentary but from this clip alone I know it is going to be a terrific watch:
Oh DRose
Adidas have been an unlucky party in shoe game, obviously they're fine, just an observation.
D-Rose & John Wall both not quite lived up to their promise for similar reasons. I suspect D Rose would have been a major player in shoe game, in contrast UA struck gold with Steph. Also Speith in Golf too.
I'd love to see D.Rose get 6th man, he doesn't deserve to be the only MVP to never make the HOF and if he doesn't win 6th man and/or a championship as a contributory factor he's not getting in imo.0 -
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Adidas have been an unlucky party in shoe game, obviously they're fine, just an observation.
D-Rose & John Wall both not quite lived up to their promise for similar reasons. I suspect D Rose would have been a major player in shoe game, in contrast UA struck gold with Steph. Also Speith in Golf too.
I'd love to see D.Rose get 6th man, he doesn't deserve to be the only MVP to never make the HOF and if he doesn't win 6th man and/or a championship as a contributory factor he's not getting in imo.I didn't look at Vegas since around Feb so maybe Lou locked it up. Deserving of any accolades he gets, hard to argue to given Clippers making playoffs after trading Harris.
Jerry West is ridiculous, the guy is worth anything he asks for.
Not saying you're wrong but shoe market is different than playing ability. Certain players might not be the best players but have a greater target market than a better player.
Kawhi is an example of someone who is probably a Top 3 player in the league but shoe sales won't be great.
Not saying D.Rose is Kawhi but he's not quite the media lover that LBJ, Blake & Harden is, those are the players companies want and as dynamic as D.Rose was I'm not 100% convinced it would have transferred to shoe sales if healthy.
Hope he makes HOF either way
Don't forget Dwight and adidas.........before everyone hated Dwight. These were good commercials in fairness. Sadly for me I remember posting these on boards when they first came out...in 2011:eek:
Echo the above on talent doesn't equate to shoe sales. It's worth remembering that Rose is absolutely huge in Asia (and particularly China) though before you write his show line off. Here's an ESPN article from last year on this:
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24374713/why-derrick-rose-sneaker-popular-china
A lot of that is personality-driven, with guys willing to put in the face time and personality (Rose) outselling those who don't have any and won't do the PAs etc. (Leonard).
In fairness to adidas I think lately their aesthetic and style have improved dramatically. The Lillard signatures look great, as do some of the newer b'ball models. Some of the Hardens are ok but personally I'm not mad on them. Lillard has also done some interesting cross colabs with BAPE for example. The N3XT L3V3Ls in particular are very futuristic looking and I've found some of the designs to be very nice indeed.
adidas though are showing strong growth in recent years driven Kanye and Pharell lines, but Nike got a huge and arguably unexpected boost this past weekend from Tiger. For me as a collector where they've really missed a trick is on retro'ing older models in the way Jordan brand have milked the Jordan line. Anyway, we're getting off topic here.
Finally, found this recently and it's really interesting, definitely worth a look IMO (esp. if you watched basketball in the mid-late 80s and into the early 90s:
Truly shocking to see how much the game has changed in such a a short period of time. His other videos are good too btw.0 -
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Westbrook has been terrible, shot 5-20 last night, still taking those ill-advised 3s, had more turnovers than made shots, and I'd be more surprised at him having a good shooting night than another bad one in the next game. OKC as a team have made 10 3s over two games, Russ is 1-10 from 3. Lillard alone has made 9 over the two games and he's not exactly shooting open shots either, carrying on from Game 1 look at the difficulty of these shots he's making:
Russ also gets Dame fired up like no one else, in fact look at this entire sequence. Dame strips Russ, gets him to take a bad shot, celebrates the miss, and then drops a bomb on them seconds later.
https://streamable.com/lvici
That shot also forced OKC to take a timeout, of which they only had 3 coming into the second half, and so after that they only had 2 remaining timeouts for the final 19 minutes of play and couldn't do a whole lot to readjust.0 -
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Morrison J wrote: »If its not ego driven though then what is it? He just turns into a low IQ point guard in big games?
Either way its very damaging to his teams chances of actually progressing. Needs to go back to being more of a provider like he was in the regular season.
Ego has a wide range of interpretations so perhaps it's an issue of semantics, ego in the sense of I, the little Cartesian Theatre behind the eyes and all.
Just from what you said in terms of "feeding his ego" and "selfish self" though. My opinion would be that I don't get the feeling that Russ is egotistical in the sense that he simply wants to laude up all the praise for his teams success, centre of attention etc.
That type of character is not the type of character I suspect PG13 would have stayed around to compete with.
He may be ego driven in that in those moments he simply feels that he has a greater ability than anyone else to win a game.
That is the ego that I think exists so although it's not true and other players such as PG13 may lead the team to success, I think it simply comes from a desire to win as a team.
It's not perfectly altruistic by any means but I just don't think he's the type of guy that does it because he wants to be the one who did it, rather he thinks he's the only one that can do it.
Just my thoughts by the way, total conjecture, completely open to him being an egomaniac in any sense too
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OKC lose two games to a team they dominated this year (and Russ played very well in all of those from memory, he certainly had some big closing moments in more than one of them) and Russ is getting almost all the blame whilst people ignore the fact that PG (who was for a large chunk of the season a Top 4/5 player in the league) is clearly injured.
I honestly don't get the level of hate the guy gets. I've been critical, at times very critical of him in the past (look at my posts back when Durant was on OKC), but the guy plays so frickin' hard up and down the court every single possession. OKC have no even average outside shooting capable of playing heavy minutes outside of Paul, but hey, it's all Russ's fault.
I'd rather have that level of effort and a 20point triple double every night than some lesser (above average) player who plays within himself. They may lose in the first round of the Play Offs but he'll still deservedly make All NBA this year.
And people say I'm just a hater.
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ButtersSuki wrote: »OKC lose two games to a team they dominated this year (and Russ played very well in all of those from memory, he certainly had some big closing moments in more than one of them) and Russ is getting almost all the blame whilst people ignore the fact that PG (who was for a large chunk of the season a Top 4/5 player in the league) is clearly injured.
I honestly don't get the level of hate the guy gets. I've been critical, at times very critical of him in the past (look at my posts back when Durant was on OKC), but the guy plays so frickin' hard up and down the court every single possession. OKC have no even average outside shooting capable of playing heavy minutes outside of Paul, but hey, it's all Russ's fault.
I'd rather have that level of effort and a 20point triple double every night than some lesser (above average) player who plays within himself. They may lose in the first round of the Play Offs but he'll still deservedly make All NBA this year.
And people say I'm just a hater.:rolleyes:
I'd reiterate it again Butters, I don't understand why you continue down this path of framing yourself of being persecuted.
Nobody has called you a hater other than LBJ related stuff, you don't need to continually place that caveat as often as you feel you need to.
Personally I'd far rather a player who plays within himself of doing so was to the benefit of the team. Everyone admires Russ and his achievements but playing hardest is not the goal here.
Take any sport, playing smarter > playing harder in many situations, that translates to training as well as games.
Passing up a situation with a higher probability of success for a lower probability of success but being happy with that result because more energy was exerted is obviously ridiculous.
Shooting 5/20 in a playoff game and many poor decisions by your alpha deserves criticism irrespective of effort.0 -
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What I find amazing is that the whole "sag off Ben" thing barely works, it's literally just giving him time to build up speed.
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What I find amazing is that the whole "sag off Ben" thing barely works, it's literally just giving him time to build up speed.
One play, one example......look at all the examples of him being stopped by it. If it wasn't working teams wouldn't be doing it. It's not going to work every single time you know, and when it doesn't work you'll see gaps as wide as an ocean like that.
Somewhat related, when you see how good he is at full speed it makes you wonder why they're not a complete run and gun, fastbreak all night team. Embiid is what's stopping that to a degree to be fair. Simmons with a team of runners and shooters around him would be an interesting watch.0 -
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Westbrook has somehow outdone his 5-20 performance in Game 2 with 5-21 in Game 4. 3-1 down now on his way back to Portland for Game 5, staring at the likelihood of 3 first round exits in a row since KD left.
Play of the night here, career highlight for CJ McCollum:
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Osmosis Jones wrote: »Westbrook has somehow outdone his 5-20 performance in Game 2 with 5-21 in Game 4. 3-1 down now on his way back to Portland for Game 5, staring at the likelihood of 3 first round exits in a row since KD left.
Play of the night here, career highlight for CJ McCollum:
Yeah they're done, they're not coming back form 3-1 down even if they win Game 5 in Portland.
It's funny you picked that play as sure it's a great play as he made it, but it's exactly the kinda play that you (in the universal sense) rightly would criticise a player for. It's a bit hero-bally, not 100% there for sure but certainly blurring the lines. Just because he made the shot doesn't make it a good shot. McCollum is not Lillard or Curry (In wouldn't criticise those players in particular for that shot, but if he misses that it's unquestionably a bad play. I noticed the Inside The NBA guys criticised this play too btw, so it's not just me!0 -
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