Why the sudden hysteria over climate change?

bfa1509 · 03-05-2019 9:14pm #1

I am not denying that global temperatures are increasing, or that ice caps aren't melting, or sea levels not rising etc. (although I am skeptical of how significant the role humans played in all of this). But why all the deranged hysteria all of a sudden? Is there new scientific evidence published?

Just 15-20 years ago the only headline grabbing climate change stories were from Al Gore's spurious catastrophic predictions for the future (many of which failed to occur of course). But now there is no escaping it. We are being bombarded with climate crisises left, right and centre all of a sudden, but they don't seem to have any substantial basis whatsoever. Yet the global hysteria is mind boggling, from huge protests, to bold political promises, to no-meat mondays to Birthstrikers (yes, there are women who refuse to have children because there won't be an earth here for them to grow up on... https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/mar/12/birthstrikers-meet-the-women-who-refuse-to-have-children-until-climate-change-ends)

If someone says that the earth is flat or the moonlandings were faked, or 911 was an inside job, we point and laugh at them, say they need to put on their tin-foil hat and then move their thread to the conspiracy forum. Yet, a climate change activist can spew the most baseless claims and they get applauded and put on a pedestal.

Was I in a coma when all this damning evidence came to light? The world feels the same to me as it did back in the 90s.

buried · 03-05-2019 9:20pm

Look at this extreme weather over here lads and don't be looking at the printing the paper money with nothing backing it over there

OldMrBrennan83 · 03-05-2019 9:21pm

It's pushed as a means of taxation. Look at nearly everything extra you're paying now, it's mostly environmental bollocks.

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sk8erboii · 03-05-2019 9:21pm

Its May and 4 degrees out lad. This aint normal

sk8erboii · 03-05-2019 9:24pm

What about scientists with PhD’s publicizing their research? Is that unbelievable to you? In my experience, most skeptics were people who have not taken a single science class after secondary school.

Fighting Tao · 03-05-2019 9:26pm

It’s not sudden. People are only starting to listen.

brevity · 03-05-2019 9:28pm

Lots of things are happening if you know where to look.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/may/03/climate-crisis-is-about-to-put-humanity-at-risk-un-scientists-warn

I think the ramp up is due to to fact that we could be hitting the point of no return.

It’s not going to be the case like Hollywood movies show, I think it will be gradual thing that creeps up on us.

SEPT 23 1989 · 03-05-2019 9:29pm

As children it was the Cold War four minute warning etc

If it wasn't for fear people might start living

bfa1509 · 03-05-2019 9:34pm

sk8erboii wrote: »

What about scientists with PhD’s publicizing their research? Is that unbelievable to you? In my experience, most skeptics were people who have not taken a single science class after secondary school.

I know a lot of PhD's. I would give more worth to toilet paper than to their thesises.

I think whats pissing me off is the hypocrisy, especially from (admittedly mostly female) people at work who drone on about what a disaster it is, and how we're not doing enough and yet they, in their range rovers, guzzle away the diesel of which the fumes have proven links to asthma

biko · 03-05-2019 9:34pm

There is a LOT of focus on climate change right now, for better or worse.
Although I agree with you on the hysteria, there seem to be a lot of evidence for it, well if you believe NASA that is.
https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

That said, when you hear about shrinking ice sheets from NASA page, they also say on another

A major Greenland glacier that was one of the fastest-shrinking ice and snow masses on Earth is growing again, a NASA study has found.

It is probably inevitable that humans affect the planet, the question is to what extent, and what do we do to slow it down?

ohnonotgmail · 03-05-2019 9:36pm

Its not sudden. Its not hysteria.

Charles Ingles · 03-05-2019 9:38pm

I've watched 40 years of this climate change nonsense.
Academics justifying their existence end governments using it as a way to introduce new taxes.
Carbon taxes will fix the world,, ye right
Man hasn't been around long enough and records don't go back far enough, who cause the last ice age??
Nobody, the earth will regulate itself with the helping hand ofGod

Rosie Rant · 03-05-2019 9:40pm

We're f*cked, lads!

03-05-2019 9:41pm

What's the name in bio systems for when the domino effect kinda hits the critical point there's no coming back from. i thought it was getting worse and we're approaching that
cascade! that one

There probably is a political drive behind it, taxes etc, but it's an awful lot to gamble on

buried · 03-05-2019 9:42pm

Lot of these people making a living out of the global warming fear factory, the likes of the politicians and scientists are up on jet airliners in the first class section all weeks of the year helping spew jet airline fuel emissions into the very sky they telling us all we need to protect. This is where you can literally witness the bull$hit. If they honestly care so much why don't they start walking and swimming to get to their worldwide gigs?
That because they don't. Its nothing but a gig. It probably is happening, but these f**kers don't actually care.

brevity · 03-05-2019 9:43pm

Charles Ingles wrote: »

I've watched 40 years of this climate change nonsense.
Academics justifying their existence end governments using it as a way to introduce new taxes.
Carbon taxes will fix the world,, ye right
Man hasn't been around long enough and records don't go back far enough, who cause the last ice age??
Nobody, the earth will regulate itself with the helping hand ofGod

Thanks Charles.

noodler · 03-05-2019 9:43pm

Charles Ingles wrote: »

I've watched 40 years of this climate change nonsense.
Academics justifying their existence end governments using it as a way to introduce new taxes.
Carbon taxes will fix the world,, ye right
Man hasn't been around long enough and records don't go back far enough, who cause the last ice age??
Nobody, the earth will regulate itself with the helping hand ofGod

In your 40 years of armchair observing, what taxes have been pushed in the name of climate change?

brevity · 03-05-2019 9:47pm

ted1 · 03-05-2019 9:49pm

Charles Ingles wrote: »

I've watched 40 years of this climate change nonsense.
Academics justifying their existence end governments using it as a way to introduce new taxes.
Carbon taxes will fix the world,, ye right
Man hasn't been around long enough and records don't go back far enough, who cause the last ice age??
Nobody, the earth will regulate itself with the helping hand ofGod

That’s what the dinosaurs said.

noodler · 03-05-2019 9:49pm

Alot of the nonsense some spout about this being a normal cycle etc completely ignored the fact we've never had 6bn, soon to be 8bn, humans on the planet.

sk8erboii · 03-05-2019 9:50pm

Charles Ingles wrote: »

I've watched 40 years of this climate change nonsense.
Academics justifying their existence end governments using it as a way to introduce new taxes.
Carbon taxes will fix the world,, ye right
Man hasn't been around long enough and records don't go back far enough, who cause the last ice age??
Nobody, the earth will regulate itself with the helping hand ofGod

dem academics and liberals need to shut up. Only god can save us

rossie1977 · 03-05-2019 9:50pm

How can anyone who lives on this island deny it when we were hit with eastern most Atlantic hurricane

That is most certainly not normal

biko · 03-05-2019 9:52pm

noodler wrote: »

In your 40 years of armchair observing, what taxes have been pushed in the name of climate change?

I suppose the motor tax for vehicles on the basis of CO2 bands could be considered "climate change tax".

Charles Ingles · 03-05-2019 9:55pm

noodler wrote: »

In your 40 years of armchair observing, what taxes have been pushed in the name of climate change?

Carbon taxes and environmental Levy's

Charles Ingles · 03-05-2019 9:57pm

biko wrote: »

I suppose the motor tax for vehicles on the basis of CO2 bands could be considered "climate change tax".

Yes as well as Carbon taxes

Fr Tod Umptious · 03-05-2019 10:00pm

What I don't get is this presentation that the people of the future won't be able to adapt to the planet as it changes and that we have to try and stop it changing.

If the polar ice caps melt and the gulf stream goes south and Ireland has a climate like everyone else at this latitude don't you think our decenants will be able to cope with it.

Fighting Tao · 03-05-2019 10:01pm

biko wrote: »

I suppose the motor tax for vehicles on the basis of CO2 bands could be considered "climate change tax".

Pity people still refer to it as road tax then even though road tax hasn’t been in existence for decades upon decades.

Chris_Heilong · 03-05-2019 10:02pm

Why the sudden hysteria over climate change?
Like most people that fall for a cause on mass, because it is trendy:cool:

Pkiernan · 03-05-2019 10:03pm

I'll believe that politicians and lefty celebrities believe in climate change when they ban private jets and eliminate business and first class travel.

Hamsterchops · 03-05-2019 10:04pm

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

As children it was the Cold War four minute warning etc

If it wasn't for fear people might start living

Absolutely, I remember well the fear of Nuclear war back in the 80s, the fear was real, it was visceral, and it was oppressive, then it evaporated almost as if it never had happened.

I don't doubt for a second that the worlds climate is changing (IT IS), but hasn't it changed before? What about the "Little ice age" in the 1700s with people skating on the Thames with 8" of ice, and what about the last great ice age too when the Mammoths died out? Then on the other hand, what about the hot Roman vineyards in the North of England 2000 years ago! and the subsequent cooling of the planet again . . .

The earth has always heated up & cooled down since it was formed billions of years ago, and currently its on a warming up trajectory, aided no doubt by our man made emissions.

Definitely a climate of hysteria and herd mentality about having to subscribe to the notion the CLIMATE CHANGE IS MAN MADE !!! and that if you don't subscribe to this theory, then you're branded a "Climate change denier" a la poor old David Bellamy (remember him) who dared to put suggest that Climate Change was part of Planet Earths cyclical nature (possibly speeded up) thanks to our burning of fossil fuels plus our Co2 emissions.
So even the suggestion that CC might be part of the planets cyclical nature is heresy

Yes summers are getting hotter, winters getting milder, and the ice caps are melting, while its also interesting to note that that massive hole in the Ozone layer (remember that 1990s scare) is currently getting smaller ...

Cutting Co2 emissions won't do any harm to our climate, that's for sure.

Canis Lupus · 03-05-2019 10:05pm

Charles Ingles · 03-05-2019 10:07pm

Canis Lupus wrote: »

That's it case closed

odyssey06 · 03-05-2019 10:09pm

The BBC is in the grip of this hysteria, there's a total nonsense program on right now, Steve Backshall Undiscovered Worlds in the Arctic. He's going up a sound in a kayak to show us melting sea ice. This requires a helicopter and multiple engine powered support vessels. Doubtless there was a recon trip. He seems completely obvlivious to the carbon footprint in this endeavour to show us the effects of climate change. That's hysteria.
I don't think anyone in the BBC would have given funding for this junket except every 10 minutes he goes on a hysterical rant pointing at melting sea ice.

It should be mentioned that UK carbon emissons since 1990 are down 30% so I'm not even sure who he is being hysterical towards. I don't think the hysteria has anything to do with real concerns about climate change, it's a mass hysterical outbreak of virtue signalling.

03-05-2019 10:18pm

Charles Ingles wrote: »

I've watched 40 years of this climate change nonsense

Back to when you were a twinkle in your grandmother's eye.

Canis Lupus · 03-05-2019 10:25pm

Charles Ingles wrote: »

That's it case closed

The vast consensus of scientists from multiple fields agree humans are impacting the climate and in a bad way. I'll probably take their word for it.

Of course the water has been muddied by governments and big industries who can't let this consensus go unchallenged because this means mega money, lost jobs and lost votes etc etc. The world turns on power and money and they won't let scientists (sure what do they really know anyway) get in the way. It's worsened by poorer countries with dirtier industries and less money to do anything about the situation.

It's also hard to sell climate change because it doesn't impact us right now. It's the same way people drink too much, eat too much junk, smoke cigarettes and all the bad stuff in life. Telling a teenager they shouldn't smoke vs a 50/60 year old with terminal lung cancer wishing they'd never started.

We'll be long dead either way before anything really kicks off and sure why bother doing anything about it. It's not our problem is it.

OldMrBrennan83 · 03-05-2019 10:28pm

Canis Lupus wrote: »

We'll be long dead either way before anything really kicks off and sure why bother doing anything about it. It's not our problem is it.

That's the main reason I'm not too worried if it did turn out to be true.

Still doesn't help that we're being gouged for a problem that isn't ours though.

NaFirinne · 03-05-2019 10:33pm

We are probably getting really close to the End times disasters that were foretold in the Book of Revelation in the Bible. And the Establishment want a way to fool people into thinking these disasters are a result of climate change so the keep on living in Sin and don't repent and follow God instead.

rossie1977 · 03-05-2019 10:34pm

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

What I don't get is this presentation that the people of the future won't be able to adapt to the planet as it changes and that we have to try and stop it changing.

If the polar ice caps melt and the gulf stream goes south and Ireland has a climate like everyone else at this latitude don't you think our decenants will be able to cope with it.

Eventually maybe but many of the major cities on Earth would be devastated if the ice caps melted. Gone would be NYC, Los Angeles, London, DC, Beijing, Shanghai, Hong Kong, whole of Florida, Netherlands, Denmark, Belgium.

Ireland itself would be a vastly different country as most of the urban areas like Dublin, Cork, Limerick, Belfast, Derry, Galway cities would be completely uninhabitable

And nobody can predict what would happen the climate if that much cold fresh water is dumped into the salt water oceans of the world.

Canis Lupus · 03-05-2019 10:35pm

OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »

That's the main reason I'm not too worried if it did turn out to be true.

Still doesn't help that we're being gouged for a problem that isn't ours though.

People are inherently selfish. We can't look past ourselves and our greed. Can't be helped, it's just the way of things. The world will go with or without humans either way.

sk8erboii · 03-05-2019 10:37pm

NaFirinne wrote: »

We are probably getting really close to the End times disasters that were foretold in the Book of Revelation in the Bible. And the Establishment want a way to fool people into thinking these disasters are a result of climate change so the keep on living in Sin and don't repent and follow God instead.

OldMrBrennan83 · 03-05-2019 10:37pm

Canis Lupus wrote: »

People are inherently selfish. We can't look past ourselves and our greed. Can't be helped, it's just the way of things. The world will go with or without humans either way.

The greed is coming at us though. Anything goes in the name of environment.

03-05-2019 10:38pm

NaFirinne wrote: »

We are probably getting really close to the End times disasters that were foretold in the Book of Revelation in the Bible. And the Establishment want a way to fool people into thinking these disasters are a result of climate change so the keep on living in Sin and don't repent and follow God instead.

OK, so what would differ?

Atlantic Dawn · 03-05-2019 10:40pm

What I hate about the chancers is they always say there's time to fix it. Wait 5 years and if the world is cooling down too much they won't know what yarn to spin next.

Harry Palmr · 03-05-2019 10:41pm

Accumulated data and empirical evidence. Any informed observer would have been able to tell you this would happen. The next big thing is trigger points, the runaway moment. The question is if anything is done to avoid same or if action simply puts it off a bit longer. If you are very young you'll be one of those who discover whether we did enough now and in the near future.

Canis Lupus · 03-05-2019 10:41pm

NaFirinne wrote: »

We are probably getting really close to the End times disasters that were foretold in the Book of Revelation in the Bible. And the Establishment want a way to fool people into thinking these disasters are a result of climate change so the keep on living in Sin and don't repent and follow God instead.

So the bible makes no mention of cutting carbon emissions then?

Charles Ingles · 03-05-2019 10:42pm

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

What I hate about the chancers is they always say there's time to fix it. Wait 5 years and if the world is cooling down too much they won't know what yarn to spin next.

Fear and control only works on the people when you offer them the hope of redemption
Hence why I call it the climate change cult

SEPT 23 1989 · 03-05-2019 10:43pm

Do we have so little faith in our children and theirs that if there is a problem that they can't fix it

That's the real sadness not the rising water

Charles Ingles · 03-05-2019 10:45pm

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Do we have so little faith in our children and theirs that if there is a problem that they can't fix it

That's the real sadness not the rising water

I believe the children are the future

Canis Lupus · 03-05-2019 10:46pm

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Do we have so little faith in our children and theirs that if there is a problem that they can't fix it

That's the real sadness not the rising water

We need to make Waterworld part of the school curriculum.

Atlantic Dawn · 03-05-2019 10:49pm

There hasn't been a single flood in Ireland where man wasn't too blame, either for allowing houses to be built on a flood plain, built too close to the sea or drainage systems not properly maintained.

Charles Ingles · 03-05-2019 10:49pm

Canis Lupus wrote: »

We need to make Waterworld part of the school curriculum.

The film?

Why the sudden hysteria over climate change?

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