People that take up a seat on the bus for their bag

the beer revolu · 07-07-2019 12:41pm

Excuse me sir, may I make love to your bag, please!!!

El_Duderino 09 · 07-07-2019 12:55pm

the beer revolu wrote: »

Excuse me sir, may I make love to your bag, please!!!

Auto correct keeps doing that😂

Lefty Bicek · 10-07-2019 12:05pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

But luckily for me I can ward off those people by simply placing a bag on the seat beside me safe in the knowledge that the people who will sit beside me are people who can assert themselves with a bit of manners.

A 'bit of manners' being more manners than you have yourself.

Is El Duderino the Spanish for 'flutehead', by any chance ?

Turquoise Hexagon Sun · 10-07-2019 12:35pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Id probably class myself as A Person with "normal adult ability to ask someone to move their bag without aggression,seething, or exaggerated emotionality".

But I don't tend to wear t-shirts with classifications of myself. Each to their own, so work away.

But you just classed yourself anyway. It's great that we can just class ourselves as whatever the **** we want. I might class you as a an self-serving arrogant **** lacking in basic empathy.

Just because you can't accept that people don't want to have to interact with ****s people like you, doesn't mean the lack assertiveness or anything.

There's a cost/benefit analysis at play. If you haven't moved the bag as a gesture before an attempt is made to sit down, you go higher up on the sliding scale of "thick ****."

If the next step to to engage in conversation, one might think "do, I really need to sit down beside a prick like this?" He might start playing music off his phone, he may start coughing without covering his mouth." If you don't take the bag off the seat as a common courtesy and are forcing the standing person in to a potential social interaction, you just don't know what kind of a psycho annoying **** this must be. So maybe one moves on to the next seat.

I wouldn't put it down to a lack of assertiveness. More like: how much do I want to engage with this ponce? And maybe it's win-win. Person who doesn't get the seat, avoids an annoying, self-serving prick, and the self-serving prick gets to put their bag on a seat.

I don't mind asking people to move their bag. And if they don't gesture to move it first, I'll make sure to sit down beside a twat like that. I'm learning to enjoy asking people to move their bags. The look on their face is priceless.

El_Duderino 09 · 10-07-2019 1:31pm

Turquoise Hexagon Sun wrote: »

But you just classed yourself anyway. It's great that we can just class ourselves as whatever the **** we want. I might class you as a an self-serving arrogant **** lacking in basic empathy.

Just because you can't accept that people don't want to have to interact with ****s people like you, doesn't mean the lack assertiveness or anything.

There's a cost/benefit analysis at play. If you haven't moved the bag as a gesture before an attempt is made to sit down, you go higher up on the sliding scale of "thick ****." If the next step to to engage in conversation, one might think "do, I really need to sit down beside a prick like this?" He might start playing music off his phone, he may start coughing without covering his mouth." If you don't take the bag off the seat as a common courtesy and are forcing the standing person in to a potential social interaction, you just don't know what kind of a psycho annoying **** this must be. So maybe one moves on to the next seat.

I wouldn't put it down to a lack of assertiveness. More like: how much do I want to engage with this ponce? And maybe it's win-win. Person who doesn't get the seat, avoids an annoying, self-serving prick, and the self-serving prick gets to put their bag on a seat.

I don't mind asking people to move their bag. And if they don't gesture to move it first, I'll make sure to sit down beside a twat like that. I'm learning to enjoy asking people to move their bags. The look on their face is priceless.

Sure. And I might not choose to make assumptions or insult you. But the bag, as you rightly point out, gives me a greater chance of having the seat to myself. Whether it's because you're unable to assert yourself or you're neurotic enough to create a set of expectations for me based on the bag, doesnt really matter.

You go sit beside someone else who you feel is a suitable seating partner and I get to travel in Greater comfort. We're both getting what we want.

Garibaldi? · 10-07-2019 5:17pm

Put your bag on an empty seat but keep an eye open(at every stop) in case someone might need it. Take your bag away immediately if the seat is needed and don't be that dozy twit who has to be asked!

Sir Oxman · 16-07-2019 10:01am

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I think it is more the fact that if you stand at the back door and it doesn't open you feel like a lemon waiting there for something to happen, then when it doesn't, you have to leg it up to the front door, by that time people are getting on, so you have to fight your way off.

Great fun!

Yep.
All. The. Time.
Not doing it anymore, front door for me!

Sunrise_Sunset · 16-07-2019 11:47pm

I was getting the dart home after work one day, I was a bit early as I was on my way to a doctor's appointment, so it wasn't quite rush hour yet but there were no seats, bar one that I could see. I made my way over to it and saw that a woman had a small cage with a dog in it, on the seat. I politely asked her to move it. She refused. I asked again, she refused. I told her I was sick and on my way to a doctors appointment and I needed to sit down. I should also add that I was about 7 months pregnant at the time, and visibly so! She started saying that she had bought a ticket for the dog so the dog is entitled to the seat. A full blown argument broke out between us. I became upset, I was sick and hormonal to boot. She then started harping on about how she'd had 6 babies and never asked to sit down. There were 6 other people sitting in this section, a mix of men and women and not one of them backed me up. Or offered me their seat either. Not that I wanted their seat, I wanted the seat that was free. The dog in the cage could've been put on the ground beside her. It was horrendous. The woman was absolutely brutal to me and tore me to shreds.

"Manspreading" (sorry if I'm repeating) is very annoying. Taking up 3/4 of a double seat just for extra room for their lad.

lainey_d_123 · 17-07-2019 12:45am

I have severe anxiety stemming from being assaulted on public transport as a teenager, so I will leave my bag on the seat if there are other free seats. I usually sit in the aisle seat and put my bag on the window one. If someone asks or motions to sit there, I will of course let them in. I will never sit on the inside seat because it makes me feel trapped and even more anxious. Sorry if that offends you, OP.

Rubberchikken · 17-07-2019 12:53am

i wiuldnt agree with asking the woman to move the dog and its cage. if she had actually paid for the seat then pregnant or not is no excuse for demanding it be vacated.
women cant be pregnant and expect to be treated the same as everyobe else then scream 'pregnant' and want to be treated differently.

Sir Oxman · 17-07-2019 1:08am

Rubberchikken wrote: »

i wiuldnt agree with asking the woman to move the dog and its cage. if she had actually paid for the seat then pregnant or not is no excuse for demanding it be vacated.
women cant be pregnant and expect to be treated the same as everyobe else then scream 'pregnant' and want to be treated differently.

Jaysus.

alie · 17-07-2019 1:49am

Happened yesterday on the 75, bus very full, went upstairs, full of teens heading to the beach, young one barely moved the back pack , i hovered dangerously off the seat, no manners at all.

Shemale · 17-07-2019 7:17am

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I don’t see the huge problem. I’ve a 3 hour train journey for work occasionally and I do it when there’s space. If someone wants to sit they can simply ask. I’ve never refused to move my stuff. It just means that some people who are too childish to assert themselves will find somewhere else to sit and I have a greater chance of having a double seat to myself.

So is it small man syndrome, as you cant reach the overhead space for bags or you feel all powerful when people have to ask you to move your bag?

Shemale · 17-07-2019 7:25am

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

It’s just not a big deal. Simple assertiveness solves the problem in as little time as it takes to say “ could you move that bag please?”

Nothing to do with others being assertive, you are either too short to put your bag up or too precipus to sit beside someone. I could be assetive and say move your bag or I will loosen your jaw which would simply be me responding appropriately to arseholery.

El_Duderino 09 · 17-07-2019 7:25am

Shemale wrote: »

So is it small man syndrome, as you cant reach the overhead space for bags or you feel all powerful when people have to ask you to move your bag?

The answer is in the post you quoted. It gives me a greater chance of having a double seat to myself, which, is more comfortable.

El_Duderino 09 · 17-07-2019 7:34am

Shemale wrote: »

Nothing to do with others being assertive, you are either too short to put your bag up or too precipus to sit beside someone. I could be assetive and say move your bag or I will loosen your jaw which would simply be me responding appropriately to arseholery.

LOL. Well, funny enough, I've seen people ask to move a bag hundreds of times from my commuting, but I've never seen anyone threaten violence.

The people who can simply assert themselves politely, do so. The ones who would blow the situation out of proportion must go sit elsewhere because I've never encountered them. I've had lots of people politely say "will you move your bag, please?" of similar.

The people who would claim to threaten violence only seem to exist on the Internet. Funny that, isn't it?

Shemale · 17-07-2019 7:42am

silverharp wrote: »

a while back i was on the inside of a bus seat and someone sat beside me, i get up to get off and he says "are you getting off?" did i need his permission? was he a ticket inspector?

I dont get the issue with this, if you havent indicated you are getting off you could be looking for something. He was wondering if he needed to move.

El_Duderino 09 · 17-07-2019 7:46am

Redsky121 wrote: »

So basically it's selfishness.

Oh yes. The seat is free and anyone who wants to sit there, can do so. It just increases the chances of having the seat to myself which is desirable because it's more comfortable. I'm sure I've said that plenty of times in the thread.

Archermit · 17-07-2019 7:47am

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

Add the DART to that, although people are cnuts in general.

Stood on the DART this afternoon and some idiot comes and tries to stand in the exact spot I was standing in, why I have not idea the DART wasn't that busy. Two little old ladies get on at Connolly and the two idiots now have the nearest seats to the door, do they get up do they fcuk.

The amount of times I've seen pregnant women forced to stand on the DART also.

Thanks for opening this little rant.

When standing on a train/bus, I have asked someone to give up their seat for an older or pregnant person.
A lot of the time they don't want to (if they did, you wouldn't have to ask), but when asked they do most of the time cause I'm not quite about asking and don't care if they are embarrassed

El_Duderino 09 · 17-07-2019 7:58am

Redsky121 wrote: »

Ok so selfishness.

I agreed on the post you quoted.

Seamai · 17-07-2019 8:10am

Rubberchikken wrote: »

i wiuldnt agree with asking the woman to move the dog and its cage. if she had actually paid for the seat then pregnant or not is no excuse for demanding it be vacated.
women cant be pregnant and expect to be treated the same as everyobe else then scream 'pregnant' and want to be treated differently.

I wonder did she pay though? my experience is that most bus drivers are pretty lax about enforcing rules and regulations like this for the most part, if her dog was small enough to fit in one of those carriers (probably a spoilt yappy little bitch like it's owner) then it should have been on the floor under the seat, if you do actually pay for an animal, you're paying to have them conveyed, NOT for the seat.

El_Duderino 09 · 17-07-2019 8:13am

Redsky121 wrote: »

I don't disagree that you agree.

Then we're in agreement. It's nice when chats on the Internet can end in agreement.

Sunrise_Sunset · 17-07-2019 9:32am

Rubberchikken wrote: »

i wiuldnt agree with asking the woman to move the dog and its cage. if she had actually paid for the seat then pregnant or not is no excuse for demanding it be vacated.
women cant be pregnant and expect to be treated the same as everyobe else then scream 'pregnant' and want to be treated differently.

There is no such thing as paying for an animal's ticket on the dart. I checked. She was just a bitch. Her tirade gave it away anyway.

http://www.irishrail.ie/travel-information/travelling-with-animals

Shemale · 17-07-2019 4:36pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

LOL. Well, funny enough, I've seen people ask to move a bag hundreds of times from my commuting, but I've never seen anyone threaten violence.

The people who can simply assert themselves politely, do so. The ones who would blow the situation out of proportion must go sit elsewhere because I've never encountered them. I've had lots of people politely say "will you move your bag, please?" of similar.

The people who would claim to threaten violence only seem to exist on the Internet. Funny that, isn't it?

Funny its always on your terms, isnt it, YOU put bag down, YOU must be politely asked, YOU choose not to move it if there are no other spares seats, people are meek if they dont ask, people who would match your arseholery are brave on the internet.

You are conducting yourself like an arsehole, why would anyone show the respect YOU feel you deserve, I certainly wouldnt.

Seems like the small narcissistic doesnt like it when not getting their own way.

El_Duderino 09 · 17-07-2019 4:42pm

Shemale wrote: »

Funny its always on your terms, isnt it, you put bag down, you must be politely asked, you choose not to move it if there are no other spares seats , people are meek if they dont ask, people who would match your arseholery are brave on the internet.

You are conducting yourself like an arsehole, why would anyone show the respect you feel you deserve, I certainly wouldnt.

Some of those are exaggerations and others are insults. But the bit in bold is something I've actually said the opposite to. I can't help thinking you're blowing this waaaaaayyy out of proportion.

Is it OK if I don't return the insults? It's just not my style.

Shemale · 18-07-2019 12:46am

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Some of those are exaggerations and others are insults.

You have said all those things, take it however you like, my toddler is less about himself than you are.

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

But the bit in bold is something I've actually said the opposite to.

Its not at all, you have said you will move the bag for assertive, non meek people and for a woman going into labour or Long John Silver standing beside you.

How likely is either scenario you called out to happen?

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I’m not suggesting I keep the bag on the seat whilst the pregnant woman goes into labour in the isle next to my bag, or the old man stands with his wooden leg next to my bag.

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Is it OK if I don't return the insults? It's just not my style.

If you think they were insults you must be meek yourself.

El_Duderino 09 · 18-07-2019 8:20am

Shemale wrote: »

You have said all those things, take it however you like, my toddler is less about himself than you are.

Its not at all, you have said you will move the bag for assertive, non meek people and for a woman going into labour or Long John Silver standing beside you.

How likely is either scenario you called out to happen?

If you think they were insults you must be meek yourself.

Insults aside. I've also said several times that I do it when there are other seats available. Go find that quote. Pretty sure it was in my first post in this thread

Like I said, you're getting way too upset about this. Maybe you'll meet me in train some time and maybe you'll have this out of proportion response. From my experience of both asking someone to move a bag and being asked, it goes off without a hitch. Normal adults going about their day with manners.

Will you move your bag, please? Yes of course. Job's oxo.

For all the big talk and threats to "loosen my jaw" or childish name calling in this thread, I'm completely satisfied it's just Internet talk. I suppose it's a safe space for those who can't assert themselves normally in the real world.

2nd Row Donkey · 18-07-2019 8:42am

Handy trick if you ever want to save a seat beside you on a bus/train/tram.

As people come on and approach your seat start sniffing your fingers.

For added effect smile/laugh as you sniff your fingers.

Nobody wants to sit beside the guy who's sniffing his fingers and enjoying it.

Shemale · 19-07-2019 1:23am

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Insults aside. I've also said several times that I do it when there are other seats available. Go find that quote. Pretty sure it was in my first post in this thread

This is more of it, you find that thing I said to prove my point. Assert yourself and find what you said, shouldnt take you long as you said it "several times"

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Like I said, you're getting way too upset about this.

That is a fairly poor assertion.

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Normal adults going about their day with manners.

You mean like taking up a seat with your bag and not putting it in the overhead luggage rack? Or not moving it until someone says oh please Mr Assertive can you please move your bag please to make you feel like a big man.

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

For all the big talk and threats to "loosen my jaw" or childish name calling in this thread, I'm completely satisfied it's just Internet talk. I suppose it's a safe space for those who can't assert themselves normally in the real world.

You poor sensitive soul, needing your space and now the bad man said he "could" respond to your arseholery and say "move your bag or I will loosen your jaw". Dont fret I have never shied away from verbal or physical confrontation, if it happens it happens.

Funny about the safe space you are here claiming to be Mr Assertive yet you have fear of losing your precious space if someone sits beside you. Put your bag in the overhead and if someone sits beside you assert yourself and keep the space you need, dont be so meek.

El_Duderino 09 · 19-07-2019 6:40am

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I don’t see the huge problem. I’ve a 3 hour train journey for work occasionally and I do it when there’s space. If someone wants to sit they can simply ask. I’ve never refused to move my stuff. It just means that some people who are too childish to assert themselves will find somewhere else to sit and I have a greater chance of having a double seat to myself.

I’ve also never had a problem asking someone to move their bag so I can sit. Never had anyone refuse either. I had a daily commute until recently and now I deal with it semi regularly and it seems like a non issue to me.

Okey-doky. Above is the first post posted in this thread. Note "I do it when there's space".

Shemale wrote: »

This is more of it, you find that thing I said to prove my point. Assert yourself and find what you said, shouldnt take you long as you said it "several times"

That is a fairly poor assertion.

You mean like taking up a seat with your bag and not putting it in the overhead luggage rack? Or not moving it until someone says oh please Mr Assertive can you please move your bag please to make you feel like a big man.

You poor sensitive soul, needing your space and now the bad man said he "could" respond to your arseholery and say "move your bag or I will loosen your jaw". Dont fret I have never shied away from verbal or physical confrontation, if it happens it happens.

Funny about the safe space you are here claiming to be Mr Assertive yet you have fear of losing your precious space if someone sits beside you. Put your bag in the overhead and if someone sits beside you assert yourself and keep the space you need, dont be so meek.

Just look at the rest of that post. You're getting way too upset about a complete non issue.

As a matter of Interest, what will you do the next time you see someone with a bag on the seat? Call them childish names and blow the situation out of proportion, as you did in the last few posts to me or, (as I suspect) do absolutely nothing except ask them to move it or find another seat?

I generally get the seat to myself so I'm happy enough with the situation. The threats and big talk, as I said, only manifest on the Internet. I expect if we meet, me with my bag on the seat, I'll never know about it because you'll behave like a normal person in the real world and save the big talk for the Internet.

Shemale · 19-07-2019 8:13am

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Okey-doky. Above is the first post posted in this thread. Note "I do it when there's space".

Okey-doky, you put your bag on the seat "when there's space" which is nice of you cause otherwise you would be putting it in someone elses lap, you havent once said you would move your bag without being asked except for:

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I’m not suggesting I keep the bag on the seat whilst the pregnant woman goes into labour in the isle next to my bag, or the old man stands with his wooden leg next to my bag.

You also said this:

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Wouldn’t the autistic person (or whoever can’t resolve the situation simply) just sit in one of the empty seats?

Maybe someone with autism has a preferred seat where they are more comfortable but some lad with a load of rules has his bag in it and as they are autistic they may not know how to deal with the situation.

You have decided in your own little book of rules that everyone must ask, eye contact isnt enough, people must assert but not be too assertive and the following list of people can go **** off if they dont adhere to your rules:

* Disabled people, they can ask like everyone else even though they might be non verbal
* Elderly unless they are male and have a wooden leg (prosthetic legs excluded)
* Pregnant women no matter how pregnant unless their waters have broke right beside you
* Everyone else

Anyway thats a fair summary of you, its been great chatting to you.

El_Duderino 09 · 19-07-2019 8:28am

Shemale wrote: »

Okey-doky, you put your bag on the seat "when there's space" which is nice of you cause otherwise you would be putting it in someone elses lap, you havent once said you would move your bag without being asked except for:

You also said this:

Maybe someone with autism has a preferred seat where they are more comfortable but some lad with a load of rules has his bag in it and as they are autistic they may not know how to deal with the situation.

You have decided in your own little book of rules that everyone must ask, eye contact isnt enough, people must assert but not be too assertive and the following list of people can go **** off if they dont adhere to your rules:

* Disabled people, they can ask like everyone else even though they might be non verbal
* Elderly unless they are male and have a wooden leg (prosthetic legs excluded)
* Pregnant women no matter how pregnant unless their waters have broke right beside you
* Everyone else

Anyway thats a fair summary of you, its been great chatting to you.

LOL. You'll do the same as everyone else. Ask to move the bag or sit somewhere else. Do you know why? Because it's a complete non issue - you getting worked into a wax on the Internet notwithstanding.

Like I said, I won't get into the name calling or pretending to know all about you.

Cheers. Maybe we'll meet on a train one day. And like I said, I'll never know if we do.

El_Duderino 09 · 19-07-2019 8:39am

Something else that I didn't mention is the fact that when seats are scarce and people have bags on seats, some people will walk around trying to find a free seat. That means the seats with bags on are free for me to ask the person to move the bag so I can sit.

Sometimes the people who don't ask will end up in the vestibule while those who ask, get a seat. It works to my advantage if nothing else and I'm not in charge of other people's behaviour.

People that take up a seat on the bus for their bag

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