Trainee accountant salary

Alan_007_ · 21-07-2018 3:58pm

fishy_fishy wrote: »

Think the chartered route takes 5 years for school leavers. So, 5 years and chartered or 6.5 years (with the fun of being FT student for 3) and chartered with a degree. Plus, it's well and good saying start straight out of school, but you'll have to find an employer who will hire you straight out of school.

For the benefit of a better education, opportunity to travel (J1 etc), maturity entering the workplace, ease of finding employment, plus the flexibility that comes with a degree vs leaving cert, most people will find the extra 18 months worth it.

Don't know of many Accounting degrees that are 3 years anymore, so realistically you're looking at 7.5 years for chartered and degree, or 7 years for ACCA and degree.

Where as, you can do your leaving cert and go straight into ACCA, where all going well you'll be qualified after 3 years.

Well yes, you would need to find an employer. Or, you could work away yourself (or in a course) and complete some ACCA exams in your own time before looking for a job.

I don't necessarily agree that college gives you a "better" education, since, college is a level 8 and the professional qualification is a level 9.

There is also the benefit that by the time you're qualified you're on good money at 21, instead of slaving away for €16k like the op at a (presumably) older age.

College is also expensive. €3k for fees, another €3k - good knows what for accommodation (if applicable) a lot of people don't have the opportunity to travel during college, since they're busy bursting their holes trying to save money to pay for the following year of college.

And the difference in time is not 1.5 years, it's closer to 4.

If money isn't much of an issue to you, then by all means, college might be the better option. But if I had my time again I think I'd be trying to get into accountancy straight from school.

Alan_007_ · 21-07-2018 4:00pm

TitianGerm wrote: »

Do you not need five years experience if you don't have a degree? Four if you're an Accounting Technician and 3.5 years if you hold a degree?

You do for ACA.

As far as I know it's all the same 3 years for everyone for ACCA.

I'm open to correction though.

Lyra Fangs · 22-07-2018 10:12pm

I qualified last year so if anyone has any questions about salary etc let me know!

OttoPilot · 25-07-2018 12:16am

I'm starting into my final year soon. Don't accept anything less than €20k in your first year with exams paid for, ideally more but 20 would be the minimum I'd expect from a small firm in Dublin, especially if you have a 2:1 or 1:1 as you have loads of options.

It's a seller's market at the moment in the labour market, especially with accounting. I feel like it's getting a bit less popular out of college the further we get from the recession. I think most assurance departments in my firm (big 4) would have taken on more last year if they could, but not enough passed the CV screening and interview. You can tell because a lot of big firms are reopening applications after milkround and some even recruiting year round.

Good luck

haro124 · 25-07-2018 8:54am

Its 100% the applicants market- my department in the big 4 (before I left) had to reopen application sin August 2017 for a September 2017 start.

souvikroy1111 · 27-07-2018 8:39am

Salary including benefits for 2018 Trainee Role-
All Big 4 except Deloitte- €24,000
Deloitte- €26,000 (They revised it a couple of weeks back from 24k)
GT- €23,000
BDO- €24,750

The pay gets lower outside these Big6 firms.

Timdar527 · 27-07-2018 10:41am

souvikroy1111 wrote: »

Salary including benefits for 2018 Trainee Role-
All Big 4 except Deloitte- €24,000
Deloitte- €26,000 (They revised it a couple of weeks back from 24k)
GT- €23,000
BDO- €24,750

The pay gets lower outside these Big6 firms.

That’s wrong anyway, PwC is 26,000

sonyvision · 27-07-2018 10:53am

Started in a small practice at 22 after 3 years in college. Starting was 18,500 down the south east in 2013, worked paid exams it was a good stepping stone. Moved to Dublin 2015 started my profossional level exams pay jump to 28k at 25. Stayed there for two years with 2 exams to go was then on 35k. Joined a new roll up to then 36k however I had addictional benefits plus 5-8k depending on bonuses etc. (All employeers paid my exams) my second employer gave 350 for each F level passed, and 700 for P level passes. Week off for each subject...

Qaulified last year with a nice hefty payrise more then I would expect.

I done ACCA with accountancy school in Dublin, any other advice I can help with drop me a PM.

Humour Me · 27-07-2018 1:26pm

If you look at the training firm guidance document on the chartered website, there is a minimum salary increase recommended for passing each set of exams. Firms aren’t tied to this but generally this is the minimum increase you would receive. Your own performance in your job would also impact your increase.

Jim2007 · 28-07-2018 4:08pm

Alan_007_ wrote: »

At the moment I could walk across the road to McDonald's and get paid more per hour!

You are also more likely to be productive and add value in McDonalds, than you are in your first and even second year as a trainee.

fishy_fishy · 29-07-2018 8:12am

Jim2007 wrote: »

Alan_007_ wrote: »

At the moment I could walk across the road to McDonald's and get paid more per hour!

You are also more likely to be productive and add value in McDonalds, than you are in your first and even second year as a trainee.

If you're still not really adding value by your second year you deserve a negative performance rating tbf.

BOHtox · 31-07-2018 8:50pm

Kudos to everyone who's said they're newly qualified and willing to take questions. It's definitely something I'm thinking of getting in to.

I've just graduated with a 2.1 myself and I'm working as a Fund Accountant for the minute before going to Canada for a year or so where I might work in an office, or might work in a bar - wherever will take me.

My question is does anyone have any experience in then applying for Big 4? Would they prefer a fresh graduate? Would they prefer someone who wasn't off galavanting in their early-mid twenties? Or would they look at it as getting the 'travel bug' out of the way and as someone who is ready to start their career?

Also, is the 3 and a half years absolutely awful? I heard from Jan-May you'd be lucky to have time to scratch your arse but it's not totally uncommon to have built up a fair bit of TOIL and have some serious summers then after that.

OttoPilot · 01-08-2018 1:34pm

BOHtox wrote: »

Kudos to everyone who's said they're newly qualified and willing to take questions. It's definitely something I'm thinking of getting in to.

I've just graduated with a 2.1 myself and I'm working as a Fund Accountant for the minute before going to Canada for a year or so where I might work in an office, or might work in a bar - wherever will take me.

My question is does anyone have any experience in then applying for Big 4? Would they prefer a fresh graduate? Would they prefer someone who wasn't off galavanting in their early-mid twenties? Or would they look at it as getting the 'travel bug' out of the way and as someone who is ready to start their career?

Also, is the 3 and a half years absolutely awful? I heard from Jan-May you'd be lucky to have time to scratch your arse but it's not totally uncommon to have built up a fair bit of TOIL have some serious summers then after that.

Working with a few guys who did that, travelled and now working in a contract so I don't think it will stop you, unless there's another crash and jobs are scarce.

You've got toil right although you have to use it for exams, but once you're qualified you can use it for extra holidays. Busy season really depends on clients and managers you work with. It wouldn't be enough to put me off if I was applying again.

heretothere · 02-08-2018 12:47pm

I didn't start in the big four, but a top 10 firm. It didn't seem to matter that I was 26 and had been travelling the previous 4 years. I sold it as a huge positive though. I said I was more mature, looking to seriously start a career etc

Depends what you want out of travelling I wanted a big mad adventure and practically did anything but work in an office. Friends from my training wanted to get their qualification 1st and work in accountancy abroad.

Lynchy747 · 20-08-2018 3:56pm

Just said I would add my bit in. Started in big 4 in 2016, non-accounting degree with only one CAP1 exemption.

Starting Salary 23,000
Trainee 2 26,100
Trainee 3 31,000 (anticipated)

If you get a high performance rating you'll get more of a salary increase in most firms. As well as this, passing exams first time gives you an exam bonus (small but nice to have all the same).

Lyra Fangs · 31-08-2018 8:28pm

If you want to avoid the insane hours then avoid the big 4 - it's not like there's a huge salary discrepancy that makes it worthwhile.

I worked for a top 10 and did nowhere near the hours that my partner did in his big 4 company.

Jim2007 · 31-08-2018 10:17pm

Lyra Fangs wrote: »

If you want to avoid the insane hours then avoid the big 4 - it's not like there's a huge salary discrepancy that makes it worthwhile.

I worked for a top 10 and did nowhere near the hours that my partner did in his big 4 company.

It is not about salary at this stage, it’s about what you put on your resume. Ex Big Four says you were among the best in your year and you have the stamina and the grit to survive in that environment. That is a powerful statement when you are looking for a new gig early in your career especially if you are looking to move abroad.

fishy_fishy · 14-09-2018 2:41pm

Talking across firms, the current big 4 norms are roughly as follows this year:

1st year contract about €25k
2nd year around €28k
3rd year around €31k

Increments for good performance ratings, exam stage and exam bonuses are on top of that.

Anyone who's on 30-35k as a NQA is being robbed.

mydiscworld · 19-09-2018 12:02pm

fishy_fishy wrote: »

Talking across firms, the current big 4 norms are roughly as follows this year:

1st year contract about €25k
2nd year around €28k
3rd year around €31k

Increments for good performance ratings, exam stage and exam bonuses are on top of that.

Anyone who's on 30-35k as a NQA is being robbed.

Big 4 were paying 23K to newbies in 2007 when I started.

A 2K increase 11 years later is terrible, esp considering the expense of rent in Dublin. Being paid monthly in arrears, most of my friends back then lived off their bank overdrafts;must be worse now

fishy_fishy · 19-09-2018 3:20pm

mydiscworld wrote: »

fishy_fishy wrote: »

Talking across firms, the current big 4 norms are roughly as follows this year:

1st year contract about €25k
2nd year around €28k
3rd year around €31k

Increments for good performance ratings, exam stage and exam bonuses are on top of that.

Anyone who's on 30-35k as a NQA is being robbed.

Big 4 were paying 23K to newbies in 2007 when I started.

A 2K increase 11 years later is terrible, esp considering the expense of rent in Dublin. Being paid monthly in arrears, most of my friends back then lived off their bank overdrafts;must be worse now

Went well below that thanks to the crash.

A lot of people handing over 2/3 of their salary in rent tbh. It's only with good performance near the end of the contract that the salary resembles something people can live off properly.

OttoPilot · 19-09-2018 3:27pm

mydiscworld wrote: »

Big 4 were paying 23K to newbies in 2007 when I started.

A 2K increase 11 years later is terrible, esp considering the expense of rent in Dublin. Being paid monthly in arrears, most of my friends back then lived off their bank overdrafts;must be worse now

I joined in 2016 and 23k was the entry level salary, 24k for masters.

traineecai · 19-09-2018 9:21pm

Hi, I was wondering if anyone could tell me what kind of salary you would expect in the North. Just finished Fae waiting my results. Only a few months left on my contract. Not in big 4. I'm on £17k after working in my current place for years. I think it's low but would like to know if I'm sitting near what the average would be.

OttoPilot · 19-09-2018 9:24pm

traineecai wrote: »

Hi, I was wondering if anyone could tell me what kind of salary you would expect in the North. Just finished Fae waiting my results. Only a few months left on my contract. Not in big 4. I'm on £17k after working in my current place for years. I think it's low but would like to know if I'm sitting near what the average would be.

Are you in Belfast or more rural area? Honestly that sounds desperately low even taking into account poor Sterling atm

AtticusFinch86 · 19-09-2018 9:31pm

17k sterling is about 19k euro so that definitely sounds very low. I've a couple more months before I'm qualified too but my salary would be just over 30k, and that's in the north west. Fyi thats not in practice

haro124 · 19-09-2018 9:34pm

I know the big 4 start around 15k in Belfast

traineecai · 19-09-2018 9:37pm

OttoPilot wrote: »

traineecai wrote: »

Hi, I was wondering if anyone could tell me what kind of salary you would expect in the North. Just finished Fae waiting my results. Only a few months left on my contract. Not in big 4. I'm on £17k after working in my current place for years. I think it's low but would like to know if I'm sitting near what the average would be.

Are you in Belfast or more rural area? Honestly that sounds desperately low even taking into account poor Sterling atm

Im in newry. It feels desperately low.

OttoPilot · 19-09-2018 9:48pm

haro124 wrote: »

I know the big 4 start around 15k in Belfast

That is scandalous. Doesn't Belfast have its own housing problem?

OttoPilot · 19-09-2018 9:50pm

traineecai wrote: »

Im in newry. It feels desperately low.

Lots of jobs at the moment anyway. Get onto one or two recruiters on LinkedIn and say you're looking for something in Dundalk and see what range they come back with. I'd be surprised if it wasn't over €35k for qualified.

jus_tin4 · 27-09-2018 5:53pm

OttoPilot wrote: »

Lots of jobs at the moment anyway. Get onto one or two recruiters on LinkedIn and say you're looking for something in Dundalk and see what range they come back with. I'd be surprised if it wasn't over €35k for qualified.

same as this! Im about 3 months ca diary out from been qualified and im in the 35K bracket! Im in industry, but i would imagine the pay gap bettween industry and practise is starting to close a bit!

daretodream · 27-09-2018 6:10pm

Anyone of you in the know familiar with trainee Actuary and qualified Actuary pay rates? Considering both as future careers and although job satisfaction is important, salary means more to me! Hope you can help and that this doesn't come across badly.

actuar90 · 25-10-2018 10:40am

daretodream wrote: »

Anyone of you in the know familiar with trainee Actuary and qualified Actuary pay rates? Considering both as future careers and although job satisfaction is important, salary means more to me! Hope you can help and that this doesn't come across badly.

A grad will start around 30,a little more if they have exemptions from actuarial exams from college. Exams paid for and around 40 days for study a year, more like one a week rather than the many consecutive weeks that accountants get.
Salary when qualified depends on a lot of things, area of work, performance, years of experience by the time you've qualified, etc. The exams are a tough slog but once qualified should be looking at 65/70 minimum

99nsr125 · 25-10-2018 10:45am

jonnybravo wrote: »

Good news is that the average salary package in Leinster of qualified staff is €110k!! Just have a lot of pain for the first couple of years!!

Eh no

45k

daretodream · 25-10-2018 10:52am

actuar90 wrote: »

A grad will start around 30,a little more if they have exemptions from actuarial exams from college. Exams paid for and around 40 days for study a year, more like one a week rather than the many consecutive weeks that accountants get.
Salary when qualified depends on a lot of things, area of work, performance, years of experience by the time you've qualified, etc. The exams are a tough slog but once qualified should be looking at 65/70 minimum

Thanks so much for your help.

ACAguy · 25-10-2018 11:20am

I did 3 years in small practice where I start on 16500 and moved up to 20250 which was just dreadful. I moved to industry for my final 6 months of my training contract was straight to 32,650 and now on 39,000 awaiting FAE results with a current increase on the table of 42000 pending fae results tomorrow but I will not be accepting less than 47-48 based on the current market.
There was a salary survey released this year by CAI/Barden that stated newly qualified in Industry are on an average 61k package. I would love to know what jobs these people are in

Gael23 · 16-02-2019 8:30pm

What are salaries outside Dublin?

I’m interested in a role with BDO in Limerick, according to someone here they pay 24-25k in Dublin so knock? a grand or 2 off that?

DP79511 · 20-02-2019 2:49pm

Hi
Can anyone offer advice guidance on the Ca diary. Ive recently passed my fae on the elevation programme . Iam not working in a firm and at the moment getting little exposure to the competencies that iam suppose to hit in the diary... i am way behind in the diary also and have until september to complete. Just wondering if anyone out there has any insights into the diary from experience or from there work etc

Many thanks!

Midlife crisis man · 20-02-2019 7:16pm

OttoPilot wrote: »

Lots of jobs at the moment anyway. Get onto one or two recruiters on LinkedIn and say you're looking for something in Dundalk and see what range they come back with. I'd be surprised if it wasn't over €35k for qualified.

Trainee roles in Dundalk are between €16.5k and €18k. Not sure about fully qualified.

I started a trainee role in Dublin in the public sector this year starting at €25k year 1, 30k year 2, 35k year 3

shanmo · 20-02-2019 8:33pm

Gael23 wrote:

Iâ€™m interested in a role with BDO in Limerick, according to someone here they pay 24-25k in Dublin so knock? a grand or 2 off that?

You can knock more than a grand off...

orlahall · 02-11-2019 12:20pm

Hi. I have just passed my FAE and I have a year left in my Trainee contract (Masters - 3years) I am currently on €21,500 in the midlands in an accountancy firm. What should I be expecting now that I am basically qualified. Any responses appreciated. Thanks

boring accountant · 06-11-2019 2:11am

Has anyone ever heard of a trainee getting a pay rise outside of the usual increment?

I got my increment last month and was fairly underwhelmed. When my rent and general cost of living goes up I'll probably be poorer next year than I was last year.

In terms of ability and output I stack up very well against other trainees, even ones a year ahead.

Is it worth asking for an extra 1-2,000 or will it just make things more difficult for me at work?

ACAguy · 06-11-2019 2:14pm

If you don't ask you won't get. They are going to pay you as low as possible and won't give you a raise if you don't ask.

boring accountant · 06-11-2019 7:10pm

ACAguy wrote: »

If you don't ask you won't get. They are going to pay you as low as possible and won't give you a raise if you don't ask.

I know. I'm more asking to see if anyone knows if it has happened before or if big firms have a rule against it to keep a lid on trainee salaries.

I wouldn't ask unless I had another offer lined up anyway, which will take a while for me to set up at the moment.

Trainee accountant salary

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