British Airways To Paint 747-400 In BOAC Colours

stopthepanic · 21-01-2019 2:25pm #1

BA B747-400 getting BOAC colours done in Dublin. Clear Feb 18th from your diaries.

https://airwaysmag.com/airlines/british-airways-to-paint-747-in-boac-colors/

Tenger · 21-01-2019 7:53pm

The guy on twitter last week was right!

cml387 · 21-01-2019 7:55pm

Great idea. IMO the best airline design ever. That gold speedbird on the tail:pac:

Comhrá · 21-01-2019 8:04pm

Will be nice to see a decent livery freshly applied. The BOAC job won't disappoint.

basill · 22-01-2019 1:58am

Given the leaks of the AL paint scheme, assuming its the same paint shop I suspect we should see the BOAC scheme soon enough.

Captain_Crash · 22-01-2019 10:08am

There will be four BA 747's coming to DUB in the next few weeks for paint, at least two of them will receive a retro of some sort. The next is expected to be the Landor scheme.

TedR · 22-01-2019 7:16pm

Does anyone know the arrival times on these, or is that find-out-able anywhere?

Tenger · 22-01-2019 8:32pm

TedR wrote: »

Does anyone know the arrival times on these, or is that find-out-able anywhere?

Definitely ‘find out able’. Press release says unveiling in London on Feb 18th, so guess aircraft will arrive into Dublin sometime after the 8-10th. Times will be known closer to the time.

In relation to the EI leaks, doubt confidentiality is as important as the BOAC image was included in the press release.

EchoIndia · 22-01-2019 9:40pm

The 1970s Negus scheme that the BA 747s wore for a decade or more would also be a good choice.

arubex · 24-01-2019 1:11pm

Negus was great, I grew-up with it and it made Belfast feel like a Big World City when we got the Tridents in Negus rather than being a regional-backwater for BEA. I was gutted when the dreary grey-skies Landor livery arrived.

But my favourites were amongst the BEA-BOAC-BA interim hybrids, such as this one which mixed BOAC and Negus:

http://www.aussieairliners.org/b-747i/united%20kingdom/british/4635.032l.jpg

EchoIndia · 25-01-2019 12:38am

G-BYGE due Dublin tomorrow around lunchtime. This could change, of course.

kevinandrew · 25-01-2019 1:09am

This is going to look fantastic, the BOAC livery is stunning and will suit the 747-400 perfectly. I just hope they don't stick that British Airways '100' Centenary logo on the back as shown in the drawing, I know the BOAC name may not be as familiar with the flying public today but there sill isn't a need for the current logo to be plastered on the back like that.

adam88 · 25-01-2019 7:25am

Any word on them doing anything with their cabins. Flew on one to São Paulo two years back, boy did it show its age. If I recall correctly it didn’t even have usb or power sockets. Even the cabin crew member looking after us said it was an old bird.

Captain_Crash · 25-01-2019 7:58am

kevinandrew wrote: »

This is going to look fantastic, the BOAC livery is stunning and will suit the 747-400 perfectly. I just hope they don't stick that British Airways '100' Centenary logo on the back as shown in the drawing, I know the BOAC name may not be as familiar with the flying public today but there sill isn't a need for the current logo to be plastered on the back like that.

Its a legal requirement to have the name of the airline operating the flight visible. (EI's 757's have "Operated by ASL" by the door). As the aircraft will be operated by BA, it has to have British Airways branding on the aircraft.

rameire · 25-01-2019 12:08pm

EchoIndia wrote: »

G-BYGE due Dublin tomorrow around lunchtime. This could change, of course.

On her way to Lagos at the moment.

Captain_Crash · 25-01-2019 12:17pm

rameire wrote: »

On her way to Lagos at the moment.

Due to be unveiled in LHR on 18 Feb, so cant see it coming in just yet. Id imagine early Feb, 8th or 9th maybe.

Tenger · 25-01-2019 7:18pm

Captain_Crash wrote: »

Due to be unveiled in LHR on 18 Feb, so cant see it coming in just yet. Id imagine early Feb, 8th or 9th maybe.

Apparently 4 B747 are scheduled in for repaint. So we could see a normal repaint before then.

arubex · 25-01-2019 8:26pm

Latest rumour 09:15 arrival 26 January. Yes, tomorrow.

That's all I got, buster.

billy few mates · 25-01-2019 9:21pm

Captain_Crash wrote: »

Its a legal requirement to have the name of the airline operating the flight visible. (EI's 757's have "Operated by ASL" by the door). As the aircraft will be operated by BA, it has to have British Airways branding on the aircraft.

Is it a legal requirement or a marketing thing?
I've seen it on some aircraft on wet leases but not seen it on others. I wasn't aware of any regulation that called for it so I always thought it was a marketing thing for the operator especially given the prominent locations you often see these markings...

Tenger · 25-01-2019 9:34pm

billy few mates wrote: »

Is it a legal requirement or a marketing thing?
I've seen it on some aircraft on wet leases but not seen it on others. I wasn't aware of any regulation that called for it so I always thought it was a marketing thing for the operator especially given the prominent locations you often see these markings...

I saw it in Summer 17. EI had hired in Titan to operate a Transatlantic flight for them. All pax checking in got a leaflet advising them of the hire-in. I was able to have a read of it, it was essentially “due to issues with our aircraft we have sub hired an equally qualified airline to operate your flight to prevent disruption to you”
Therefore I think it’s a legal thing associated with holding an AOC. I’m assuming there’s a clause allowing this under certain conditions and frequency.

kevinandrew · 25-01-2019 11:12pm

Captain_Crash wrote: »

kevinandrew wrote: »

This is going to look fantastic, the BOAC livery is stunning and will suit the 747-400 perfectly. I just hope they don't stick that British Airways '100' Centenary logo on the back as shown in the drawing, I know the BOAC name may not be as familiar with the flying public today but there sill isn't a need for the current logo to be plastered on the back like that.

Its a legal requirement to have the name of the airline operating the flight visible. (EI's 757's have "Operated by ASL" by the door). As the aircraft will be operated by BA, it has to have British Airways branding on the aircraft.

That's fair enough and pretty much expected but there's a difference between the large British Airways '100' logo design displayed on the drawings and an "operated by" sticker on the door. The large specially design birthday sticker may serve the legal requirement purpose but it's also an unnecessary marketing tool that takes away from the authenticity of the retro jet.

Pat Dunne · 26-01-2019 10:02am

arubex wrote: »

Latest rumour 09:15 arrival 26 January. Yes, tomorrow.

That's all I got, buster.

Now on her way, expected in DUB a little after 09:30

Should make a nice photo op for the "Mound People", as she'll be coming in on 28.

peter1892 · 26-01-2019 10:04am

Pat Dunne wrote: »

Now on her way, expected in DUB a little after 09:30

Yep, here she is: https://fr24.com/BAW9173/1f4cd62f

Tenger · 15-02-2019 8:46pm

Posted on Twitter that STD is Monday at 0830, STA LHR 0955

Mortelaro · 15-02-2019 10:10pm

The tail

acquiescefc · 18-02-2019 8:53am

Supposed to be live on this channel.
Not sure if its the ceremony in LHR and/or leaving DUB
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYCxVhcegIEBcywYojJqfeQ

or possibly here https://twitter.com/shesgotwings777

Hoping its on my SFO flight next month

Comhrá · 18-02-2019 9:58am

From Twitter

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vectorvictor · 18-02-2019 10:00am

Comhra wrote: »

From Twitter

Very decent job - nice attention to detail with the engines too.

Shame about the BA logo at the back but guess better than putting it up front

goingnowhere · 18-02-2019 10:25am

They have to have a BA decal somewhere as BOAC don't exist, it doesn't apply to most retro liveries as they retain the original name

Nijmegen · 18-02-2019 11:20am

Turned out really well. Looking forward to seeing the others, too.

Davidth88 · 18-02-2019 4:19pm

That is stunning.

I am old enough to remember the original thing on VC10/707 and the like.

tricky D · 18-02-2019 4:53pm

acquiescefc wrote: »

Hoping its on my SFO flight next month

G-BYGE is on the way there as I type and has been a few times since the job.

The Black Oil · 20-02-2019 7:27am

Hello...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKE8kOvCHJk

kevinandrew · 20-02-2019 3:00pm

goingnowhere wrote: »

They have to have a BA decal somewhere as BOAC don't exist, it doesn't apply to most retro liveries as they retain the original name

All that’s legally required is an ‘Operated by British Airways’ sticker on the door.

The large British Airways ‘100’ logo is as much for marketing purposes as it is for the legal aspect.

billy few mates · 20-02-2019 6:39pm

kevinandrew wrote: »

All that’s legally required is an ‘Operated by British Airways’ sticker on the door.

The large British Airways ‘100’ logo is as much for marketing purposes as it is for the legal aspect.

Where is the legislation that says it's a legal requirement to have this?

billy few mates · 20-02-2019 6:44pm

Anyone else think there's an element of the 'Emperor's new clothes' the way they appear to be completely blown away by it across the water..?
As liverys go it's pretty bog standard and basic, other than the fact it harks back to bygone days I can't see what all the excitement is about and I'm all for retro liveries...

Captain_Crash · 21-02-2019 8:20am

billy few mates wrote: »

Anyone else think there's an element of the 'Emperor's new clothes' the way they appear to be completely blown away by it across the water..?
As liverys go it's pretty bog standard and basic, other than the fact it harks back to bygone days I can't see what all the excitement is about and I'm all for retro liveries...

I think its a beautiful livery, and as an enthusiast it was a chance to see an iconic livery that I've never seen in the flesh before.

I agree with your point about over indulgence in the UK with it, but I'd put it down to pride! I saw footage on Twitter of one elderly man crying saying he never imagined he'd see his beautiful BOAC 747 back in Heathrow. I believe he was an ex BOAC captain and I can understand the emotional aspect it brings to some.

Same thing happened with the 757 in the Negus livery a few years back.

billy few mates · 21-02-2019 8:23am

Captain_Crash wrote: »

I think its a beautiful livery, and as an enthusiast it was a chance to see an iconic livery that I've never seen in the flesh before.

I agree with your point about over indulgence in the UK with it, but I'd put it down to pride! I saw footage on Twitter of one elderly man crying saying he never imagined he'd see his beautiful BOAC 747 back in Heathrow. I believe he was an ex BOAC captain and I can understand the emotional aspect it brings to some.

Same thing happened with the 757 in the Negus livery a few years back.

Just me so...:)

Captain_Crash · 21-02-2019 8:27am

billy few mates wrote: »

Just me so...:)

Haha, sure aren't liveries the most subjective thing in aviation:p

theguzman · 21-02-2019 12:15pm

Now that is a proper livery something to be proud of, airheads and beancounters in Aer Lingus take note.

Tenger · 21-02-2019 12:36pm

theguzman wrote: »

Now that is a proper livery something to be proud of, airheads and beancounters in Aer Lingus take note.

Let’s be balanced here, it’s a one off livery for marketing reasons. It’s not like the Eurowhite trend will suddenly vanish due to a lovely retro livery.

I can understand the furore in the UK. BOAC was an icon and will revive fond memories for many ppl. In addition apart from a short lived retro livery on a B757 about 6-7 years ago this the first ‘proper’ retro for BA. And there are2 more to come before the summer.

I guess the BA 100 celebrations and events will be very popular as the UK and BA themselves hark back to the time of “The worlds favourite airline”
The timing of this with March 29th looming does seem either bad timing or perfect depending on your political opinion.

theguzman · 21-02-2019 12:55pm

Tenger wrote: »

Let’s be balanced here, it’s a one off livery for marketing reasons. It’s not like the Eurowhite trend will suddenly vanish due to a lovely retro livery.

I can understand the furore in the UK. BOAC was an icon and will revive fond memories for many ppl. In addition apart from a short lived retro livery on a B757 about 6-7 years ago this the first ‘proper’ retro for BA. And there are2 more to come before the summer.

I guess the BA 100 celebrations and events will be very popular as the UK and BA themselves hark back to the time of “The worlds favourite airline”
The timing of this with March 29th looming does seem either bad timing or perfect depending on your political opinion.

Its something very British and something to be proud and patriotic about, the timing is perfect and it would be great to see an Imperial Airways livery also.

In contrast to Ireland they take something which was distinctive and an Irish icon like Guinness or Hurling, they come along and throw it in the bin for some homogenised piece of thrash instead.

kevinandrew · 21-02-2019 2:48pm

theguzman wrote: »

Now that is a proper livery something to be proud of, airheads and beancounters in Aer Lingus take note.

Aer Lingus have their own retrojet flying since 2011 and it’s historically far more accurate than this attempt by British Airways.

theguzman · 21-02-2019 3:33pm

kevinandrew wrote: »

Aer Lingus have their own retrojet flying since 2011 and it’s historically far more accurate than this attempt by British Airways.

My gripe is more about the new horrendous livery introduced recently by Aer Lingus.

Captain_Crash · 22-02-2019 11:59am

A319 in BEA's Red Square livery confirmed to be next up for the BA retro look.

https://twitter.com/jaidillon/status/1098887285280591873

cml387 · 23-02-2019 9:29pm

The BEA livery only works with T tailed aircraft in my opinion.

EchoIndia · 24-02-2019 11:01am

kevinandrew wrote: »

Aer Lingus have their own retrojet flying since 2011 and it’s historically far more accurate than this attempt by British Airways.

Except for the main shade of green used and the uber-thin cheatline.

RadioRetro · 24-02-2019 11:09am

cml387 wrote: »

The BEA livery only works with T tailed aircraft in my opinion.

I well remember the Viscount and Vanguard looking nice in the BEA livery back in the day.

kevinandrew · 25-02-2019 9:33pm

EchoIndia wrote: »

kevinandrew wrote: »

Aer Lingus have their own retrojet flying since 2011 and it’s historically far more accurate than this attempt by British Airways.

Except for the main shade of green used and the uber-thin cheatline.

The green is indeed a shade too dark but the cheatline is correct. The original 1960s design used a cheatline that corresponded to the window size, a quick look at the 737 or 720 at that time shows an equally thin design.

There are some exceptions, most notable was the BAC One-Eleven, the cheatline was considerably thicker than its Boeing counterparts. The Viscount also had a much bigger cheatline but this was due to the huge size of the windows.

EchoIndia · 25-02-2019 10:24pm

kevinandrew wrote: »

The green is indeed a shade too dark but the cheatline is correct. The original 1960s design used a cheatline that corresponded to the window size, a quick look at the 737 or 720 at that time shows an equally thin design.

There are some exceptions, most notable was the BAC One-Eleven, the cheatline was considerably thicker than its Boeing counterparts. The Viscount also had a much bigger cheatline but this was due to the huge size of the windows.

Also the 707:

EI-AMW Boeing 707-348C by Irish251, on Flickr

kevinandrew · 25-02-2019 10:59pm

EchoIndia wrote: »

kevinandrew wrote: »

The green is indeed a shade too dark but the cheatline is correct. The original 1960s design used a cheatline that corresponded to the window size, a quick look at the 737 or 720 at that time shows an equally thin design.

There are some exceptions, most notable was the BAC One-Eleven, the cheatline was considerably thicker than its Boeing counterparts. The Viscount also had a much bigger cheatline but this was due to the huge size of the windows.

Also the 707:

Although nowhere near as noticeable. In fairness the 707, and my own example of the 720 are both poor comparisons as they themselves wore variations of the scheme.

The current A320 retrojet is based on the 737-200 design, which makes sense for its role and size in the fleet. It's well regarded as one of the better recreations of a former livery despite the aforementioned shade of green.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/81/Aer_Lingus_Boeing_737-200_Gilliand-1.jpg

This livery featured the same grey belly, black nose and details aft of the rear door such as the location of the registration and aircraft type. The cheatline also continues to wrap around the tail cone, this didn't happen on either the 707 or 720 which instead saw it finish as a thin point either before the horizontal stabs or slightly after them.

British Airways To Paint 747-400 In BOAC Colours

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