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General Arcade & Retro Chat' Special Championship Edition

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,759 ✭✭✭Inviere


    Truly bizarre that the PS5 doesn't support 1440p and VRR....I can only hope support can be added down the line via firmware.

    As @johnny_ultimate says, the new gen machines bring console parity much closer than its ever been before. Returnal looks jaw dropping. We absolutely need to move away from 30fps being acceptable though, it's embarrassing at this point. Resolution needs to come second to performance. Also, DLSS from Nvidia is pure witchcraft, far more appealing currently than Ray tracing.

    Ray tracing is very nice, it's definitely the future, but as @Retr0gamer says, we're not quite there yet for the performance hit to be truly worth it. I'd say in 5-10 years time, things will be very different.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,265 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    I've tried out some ray tracing with a 2070 and it does look great but it definitely feels like one of those things that's probably more impressive and groundbreaking to developers rather than players. Didn't really notice it anymore after the initial 'wow that's cool!'



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,750 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    I definitely think developers are putting a lot more effort into performance this gen, which is great to see. Maybe it's just because they finally have the technological leeway to do it, but it's great to see 'performance modes' as nearly standard now. I personally can barely see the difference with a 'full' 4K resolution vs a well upscaled one, whereas switching from 60 FPS or higher down to 30 FPS feels like pushing a character through treacle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,712 ✭✭✭sniper_samurai


    VRR is coming in a couple of months. Sony stated at CES that it will support it by the time their new model tvs, which finally support vrr, come out in spring. As for 1440p Sony don't support it as they say there's no demand for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,029 ✭✭✭Colonel Panic


    Mad they think that when 1440p Gsync displays aren’t insanely common.

    I guess they just want their consoles under TVs, not tucked away beside a PC!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,759 ✭✭✭Inviere


    I suspect you're aware given the inverted commas, but consoles are using several tricks to achieve 4k resolutions...which can be argued they're not actually true 4k at all.

    That said, I completely agree that the jump from 1080p to 4k isn't nearly as noticeable or impressive as the jump from SD to HD was.

    I'm far more interested and impressed by framerate these days. The absolute gulf between 30fps and 60fps is so noticeable. Funnily, I've never seen 120fps+ in the flesh, what's it like in terms of the apparent difference to 60fps?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,881 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Honestly it's hard to go back to 60fps once you've played at 120 fps or higher. It feels really smooth and 60 fps then feels really choppy when you go back.

    120 feels really smooth and while 60 fps still plays well it's the actually choppiness in the frame rate you notice more.

    It's not the big jump from garbage 30 fps to 60fps but it is noticable and a lot better.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,750 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    It depends on the game and platform for me.

    Ive tried a few 120 FPS modes on PS5 (on an LG CX) and you really feel the lack of VRR - it needs that to smooth out the inevitable differences when you’re pumping out that many frames. I also think the hit to visual clarity tends to be much more noticeable to get there compared to 60. I reserve full judgement till VRR is implemented.

    I’ve had 144hz monitors for years and you definitely feel the difference in keyboard and mouse games particularly. I don’t play competitive shooters or anything though where you’d really need it. Once I get 60 frames / 1440p on a graphically intensive new game I tend to be more than happy. Anything else is a nice bonus but I wouldn’t notice it anywhere near as much as the jump from 30 to 60.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,881 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Sega have pulled out of the arcade business in Japan. Covid has really accelerated the arcades decline over there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,265 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    I wonder will the likes of Ronnie try to secure some cabinets/Sega paraphernalia to bring over to Europe.

    Sad to see them close but would be even sadder if everything was just skipped.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,881 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    I think the businesses have been sold on to another company so hopefully the majority will stay open.

    They've some gorgeous Egrets in those arcades though...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,265 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Ah I see! They're being bought out by GiGo. Sad to see but not as catastrophic as I was thinking, hopefully they still stay open for a while yet under that brand.

    When are you moving into that new house by the way? (so we can all start applying peer pressure to get you to finally buy some cabinets!)



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,881 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Apr/May but more likely June at the earliest.

    Cabs before matresses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,265 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Exciting stuff, that's not far off at all now in the grand scheme of things!

    Reckon you'll put aside a bit of space for a cab or two? I'll start keeping an eye out :D



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,790 ✭✭✭Jack burton



    Sorry for the horrible screenshots dump but saw this on Facebook.


    36 years worth of gaming right there. According to the seller he's priced fairly but I personally can not see that bundle being worth almost €9000.

    There's a few nice titles in there and that mega drive bundle is lovely but are prices really gone this nuts? When's the bubble going to burst?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭KeRbDoG


    if this was on adverts.ie I'd offer 5euro and a bag of Tayto at least



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,759 ✭✭✭Inviere


    Just going back to this briefly....I've only learned about MechaPwn the other day....they've brute forced the MechaCon chip which controls the PS2's dvd drive. You essentially flash the MechaCon with DEX (developer console flags). This means for PAL region consoles, a slim PS2 with model SCPH-7500X can be made to boot any region PS1 and PS2 games natively. Backups need to be patched as 'masterdiscs', and they'll boot natively too. Shame it's only for slims, but I suppose the Phats can load all these natively from HDD so this is more for collectors who want to use original discs without having to import various region PS2's. Some Phat's can be done, but perhaps not PAL ones? Not overly sure. Anyway - https://github.com/MechaResearch/MechaPwn


    Skip to 13:08




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,063 ✭✭✭Doge


    When I bought my pi zero W I actually warned people in a post on here about the chip shortage and urged people to get them back then. I bought one in the hope that Vade Malban would support Bluetooth controllers on the bare metal Vectrex image which will probably never happen. Since then another solution has come out that uses the 8bitdo wireless adapter so I'm just going to get that instead next time it's in stock.

    If you have any trouble with kiwi electronics I could send you mine, I should probably hold onto it in case I need it for something in the future though! 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,759 ✭✭✭Inviere


    @Doge ah no dude you hang onto it, you never know what it could come in handy for...but thanks very much for the offer. Hopefully that kiwi place comes through, I'll update here if it does!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,790 ✭✭✭Jack burton




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,265 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    He really should part out a few of the big titles like that boxed MUSHA and sell the rest as individual console bundles.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,293 ✭✭✭DaveyDave


    Interesting post on Reddit. For me it has to be Wiz N Liz on the Megadrive. I never see it mentioned, never see it on YouTube etc. Don't even remember if it's a good game or not but specifically remember it as one of the games I played as a kid.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,963 ✭✭✭Mr.Saturn


    Lady Sia would be one for me. It's a decent action-platformer on the GBA from around launch-window with a unique aesthetic, especially for the GBA. I've seen it on a total of one 'GBA Hidden Gems' list in all of my years following GBA stuff and have heard exactly no one ever talk about it.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,633 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    Academy on the Spectrum, a sequel to Tau Ceti.

    Put a bit of time into that one, very impressive at the time.

    A user definable GUI, and nice visuals, I didn't know anyone else that played it!




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,633 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    Forbidden Planet and Dark Star by Design Design, also on the ZX Spectrum, pretty fast 3D shooting action, also they've a great bit of humour in there




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,265 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Alisia Dragoon was always my one until a few years ago when everyone seemed to be playing it all of a sudden!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,790 ✭✭✭Jack burton


    PS1 Kensei Sacred fist on the PS1

    I mostly remember it because I rented it for a weekend and it was utter shite



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,019 ✭✭✭Touch Fuzzy Get Dizzy


    First Cotton 100%, then Monster Rancher and now this? Very happy, looking forward to the new characters





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,725 ✭✭✭The Last Bandit


    Anyone selling stuff to the UK these days thru EBay ? How is the customs duty handled , eBay is light on information…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,275 ✭✭✭bugs


    eBay don't manage it at all. It's the same as buying in from the UK here, based on declared value and customs discretion once it arrives for inspection.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,029 ✭✭✭Colonel Panic


    I've had issues as a buyer from the UK with eBay in that they charge VAT, and instruct the seller on how to mark packages as VAT paid, but they don't and I get charged VAT again by customs via An Post.

    This leads me to have to upload proof of VAT paid to eBay who then refund me a load of bitty amounts. But it's easier than trying to get it back from Revenue directly.

    So, I'd imagine they charge VAT and you need to be mindful of what you put on your package as a seller too.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,293 ✭✭✭DaveyDave


    I bought a bunch of DVDs off eBay and all of them included VAT in the price. It didn't have the import fees section under the price that I remember it having in the past. A book I bought didn't have it which is correct as they're exempt from VAT as far as I know. Postage label is marked VAT paid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,275 ✭✭✭bugs


    I sell a lot of stuff using ebay.ie going into Europe and UK. I recently sold a Neo Geo into the UK, and no VAT was taken by eBay at the point of sale. The buyer requested I put a much lower value on the shipping label though.

    I may be incorrect about the buying from UK aspect as I haven't bought anything from the UK via eBay without using a proxy service in a long time.

    Sales tax is collected for US sales, so they have some things in hand. Perhaps it's something they will catch up with in time.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,293 ✭✭✭DaveyDave


    -_-




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,633 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    Since the game has become playable on the XBox One/Series S and X, I take it that it's become hard to find?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,712 ✭✭✭sniper_samurai


    Prices seem to be hovering about the €50 mark on ebay and it's not available digitally in Europe, it's $9.99 on the US site.


    CEX in the UK have a few copies available for £12, but you'll need someone in the UK to buy it for you and send it on.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,633 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    I found my copy in the pile of 360 titles, few of which have seen the light of day in nearly a decade.

    It does strike me that it's quite a pity that, while MS has made efforts to bring older titles to their current consoles, my PS3 collection just sits there unplayed because Sony have no intention of doing the same, in particular when you think there is no way then to play Ridge Racer 7 on the PS5!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,759 ✭✭✭Inviere


    Received today, fantastic, thanks for the heads up @dav09 I can now vouch for kiwi-electronics :)



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,881 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Ace combat 6 is getting harder to find as well.

    I bought ridge racer 6 digitally but it's a pain in the arse as I have to keep changing the address on my account to play it. Better off getting it on disc.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,633 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    I'd say keep an eye on Adverts for job lots of 360 games, as well as the likes of the bargain bin in GameStop.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,881 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Mame is 25 years old today... Well yesterday. Probably the most important release in game preservation history.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,790 ✭✭✭Jack burton


    We wouldn't have Dino Rex so well known if it wasn't for MAME



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,759 ✭✭✭Inviere


    The gold standard on so many levels - the strive for continuing accuracy, hardware and software documentation/preservation, open source contributions, standing up for what's right in the 'scene', the list goes on. A really amazing piece of software, and team behind it.

    Mame has really set sights on many platforms these days, I use it for Apple II, cd-I, and a few others. I love reading the release info for new improvements to micros and consoles as well as arcade hardware.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,633 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    What is the best way, aside from owning the original hardware, to play the Sega Model 1 to 3 arcade games?

    I have a want on me to play Scud Race and Desert Tank again



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 734 ✭✭✭80s Synth Pop


    For model 1, mame is excellent. Supports link play over the network.


    For model 2, mame is actually great for some games and they run at their native medium resolution with groovymame. There are 3D maths emulation errors though so you get bizarre bugs like flying cars in sega rally. For model 2 stick with the m2 emulator.



    For Model 3 well there really is only one option - supermodel. Model 3 games are now playable in mame if you have a new i9 12900k cpu but even then it drops to 60% framerate in scudrace driving by areas with intensive background animations.



    After that it was naomi and these are all playable in demul (also mostly playable in mame but you need a beast cpu).


    Cxbx-reloaded plays some sega chihiro games.


    After that is was all pc based hardware and teknoparrot runs the majority as sort of hack/port to Windows.


    Basically skip everything above and load up outrun2 SP SDX on teknoparrot multiplayer and play that forever.

    Post edited by 80s Synth Pop on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,759 ✭✭✭Inviere


    Model 1 would be mame, its possibly set up and ready to go on that emulation pc I set up for you. Can't remember what I set up in terms of systems.

    Model 2 would be model 2 emulator (control scheme and reconfiguring such is a bit annoying). Mamedev themselves would tell you that makes model 2 driver isn't great yet.

    Model 3 would be supermodel. That emulation pc likely isn't up to it Cidey, it's quite weak from memory.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,759 ✭✭✭Inviere


    Has anyone had experience with Teknoparrot? I'd be interested in trying it, but it flags as malicious by malware bytes. Similarly the games themselves all have their own exe's and many of them flag as malicious too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,886 ✭✭✭Steve X2


    For me nearly any software that's used for playing PC based arcade titles always gets flagged by my antivirus or anti malware systems. I'm sure most of it is ok and just getting flagged because of how it works, but its a pain and I end up not taking the risk.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,759 ✭✭✭Inviere


    Same, and like you, I'm just not taking the chance. I run a global backup on my server and emulation drives every month or so, so everything is safe, but the time/energy to restore it all is a headache ill try avoid wherever possible. Pita because Teknoparrot uses vmware, so it can't even be ran virtually. Only way would be to use a second offline pc for it, but I much prefer the all in one approach.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 734 ✭✭✭80s Synth Pop


    I've teknoparrot going on 3x cabinet PCs and no issues at all.

    I do recall downloading a prebuilt hyperspin setup years and years ago that set off antivirus alarm with the teknoparrot folders but that is no longer the case on the latest downloads.


    You can upload the exe's to virustotal.com and take a look at the results to see if you are happy prior to running them. In my case though these are all throwaway dedicated cab pc's that i don't have any data on them. Just running bog standard windows defender antivirus and it doesn't flag anything. They all connect back to a server under the stairs to stream the game files and artwork from a readonly network drive.


    I wouldn't bother with it though if your cab monitor is 15k as the lowest resolution on these teknoparrot games is 640x480 and at 15k my word the headache inducing interlaced flicker is too much.

    They do look amazing on a trisync or quadsync crt. The 2d joystick games would probably look even better on a full hd lcd cab like a namco noir but I don't have one and never got around to setting it up on my main pc with hotrod joystik. I just use it to play the driving games on my twin driving cab and light gun games / 2d fighter games on the PC attached to the naomi cab.


    It really is a wonderful piece of software IMHO. Emulation purists do not like it as it's more of a hack conversion than proper emulation. If traditional x86 cpus ever die out in future and things go the way of arm / apple m1, there will be no way to run these games until they are fully emulated properly.



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