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Is it time to say sorry to travellers and give them a few quid for past wrongs?

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  • #152
    Markcheese
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,576 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    YFlyer wrote: »
    They are oblivious to consequences. Look at that sulky race on the road that was in either Newport or Mallow. Didn't give a fook.

    They?
    All travellers were on the Mallow road that day?

    I've met travellers who were ****, and I've met settled who were as bad and worse...
    We like to blame all societies woes on a single convenient group... And put all those people in one category... (they're all the same)
    Do some travellers revel in being the big man, (and in not giving a fook, about rules or authorities ),
    Yup...
    That happens with drug gangs in the settled community... With developers and bankers in the 2000s, certain politicians of the same era, its what you could get away with...
    Do we blame all settled people...

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • #153
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    Markcheese wrote: »
    They?
    All travellers were on the Mallow road that day?

    I've met travellers who were ****, and I've met settled who were as bad and worse...
    We like to blame all societies woes on a single convenient group... And put all those people in one category... (they're all the same)
    Do some travellers revel in being the big man, (and in not giving a fook, about rules or authorities ),
    Yup...
    That happens with drug gangs in the settled community... With developers and bankers in the 2000s, certain politicians of the same era, its what you could get away with...
    Do we blame all settled people...

    True true ... but one statistic that I recall from 10 years ago (I doubt much has changed, it certainly hasnt gotten any better). 80% of Traveller males over have criminal records. My interpretation is there are 20% that haven't been caught.


  • #154
    Markcheese
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,576 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    True true ... but one statistic that I recall from 10 years ago (I doubt much has changed, it certainly hasnt gotten any better). 80% of Traveller males over have criminal records. My interpretation is there are 20% that haven't been caught.

    Yup, ðŸ˜and the unemployment Stát, and the suicide one mentioned above, and the life expectancy, lack of education...lack of finance and credit (so you'll borrow off someone who doesn't send you polite "your account is overdrawn" letters)
    Its a conveyer belt, not easy to get off of..

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • #155
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    Markcheese wrote: »
    Yup, ðŸ˜and the unemployment Stát, and the suicide one mentioned above, and the life expectancy, lack of education...lack of finance and credit (so you'll borrow off someone who doesn't send you polite "your account is overdrawn" letters)
    Its a conveyer belt, not easy to get off of..

    Load of tosh. Our parents had little education and lived through the 1980's and they had lower levels of crime. Low levels of education and employent is not an excuse. What is an excuse is a society willing to close an eye and call anyone who thinks differently a "bigot" or "racist". In fact from my reckoning that society rewards this behaviour with free houses, priority on college courses and extra grants, SNAs and diversity groups.


  • #156
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Politicians have been elected on promises to block housing for them.

    There is widespread ostracism.

    Politicians openly talk about building concentration camps for them.

    The European Parliament Committee of Enquiry on Racism and Xenophobia found them to be among the most discriminated-against ethnic groups in Ireland.


    Yes its time.


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  • #157
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    Politicians have been elected on promises to block housing for them.

    There is widespread ostracism.

    Politicians openly talk about building concentration camps for them.

    The European Parliament Committee of Enquiry on Racism and Xenophobia found them to be among the most discriminated-against ethnic groups in Ireland.


    Yes its time.

    Which politicians have been talking about building concentration camps for them ?



















    Need to know who im voting for next time


  • #158
    Pmacv1
    Registered Users Posts: 179 ✭✭Pmacv1


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    The European Parliament Committee of Enquiry on Racism and Xenophobia found them to be among the most discriminated-against ethnic groups in Ireland.

    I wonder why this is? I mean they work as hard as anybody in Ireland, the pay their taxes, they're courteous and considerate, obey laws, are peace loving and non-violent.


  • #159
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    Pmacv1 wrote: »
    I wonder why this is? I mean they work as hard as anybody in Ireland, the pay their taxes, they're courteous and considerate, obey laws, are peace loving and non-violent.

    You forgot their numerous awards for excellence in animal care, coupled with the environmental protection policy policed by Pavee Point.


  • #160
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    Muslims
    travelers
    Immigrants
    Climate changers


    Am I missing anyone? Is there a boards bingo card for people we don’t like?


  • #161
    NasserShammaz
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 886 ✭✭✭NasserShammaz


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    Which politicians have been talking about building concentration camps for them ?



















    Need to know who im voting for next time

    No that won't work , travellers have notoriously short attention spans


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  • #162
    Pmacv1
    Registered Users Posts: 179 ✭✭Pmacv1


    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    Muslims
    travelers
    Immigrants
    Climate changers


    Am I missing anyone? Is there a boards bingo card for people we don’t like?

    Do you think people complaining about travellers is unwarranted?


  • #163
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    Muslims
    travelers
    Immigrants
    Climate changers


    Am I missing anyone? Is there a boards bingo card for people we don’t like?

    I think you are the only one on that card. I have worked with many Polish and many eastern European. All of them were sound and kept the law and were educated. Years after I left work I am still in contact with them. I wonder what the difference was.


  • #164
    paleoperson
    Registered Users Posts: 3,522 ✭✭✭paleoperson


    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    Muslims
    travelers
    Immigrants
    Climate changers


    Am I missing anyone? Is there a boards bingo card for people we don’t like?

    There is zero relation between this and any of the others. :confused:


  • #165
    NasserShammaz
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 886 ✭✭✭NasserShammaz


    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    Muslims
    travelers
    Immigrants
    Climate changers


    Am I missing anyone? Is there a boards bingo card for people we don’t like?

    Apparently not talking about things makes them go away...................


  • #166
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    Pmacv1 wrote: »
    Do you think people complaining about travellers is unwarranted?

    Hard to say. I’ve had far more sh!t encounters off Gardaí than travelers.

    I guess it speaks to personal experience. You can be fine with Gardaí/traveler/scaldie from Tallaght until you actually have a bad encounter with them that changes your view.

    They don’t affect me either way so I don’t see how ranting about them online archives anything.


  • #167
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    paleoperson wrote: »
    There is zero relation between this and any of the others. :confused:

    There is if you have a look through the posts of those complaining about any one of the above, are always to be found complaining about all of the others in different threads.


  • #168
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    NasserShammaz wrote: »
    Apparently not talking about things makes them go away...................

    Just as ranting about them online vanquishes them
    And saves the world.

    It doesn’t.


  • #169
    paleoperson
    Registered Users Posts: 3,522 ✭✭✭paleoperson


    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    There is if you have a look through the posts of those complaining about any one of the above, are always to be found complaining about all of the others in different threads.

    Not at all. In fact there is little relation.

    "Always"? Really? Always? You're going to go with that word when I'm here directly contradicting you, a living proof example that that's not the case?


  • #170
    paleoperson
    Registered Users Posts: 3,522 ✭✭✭paleoperson


    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    Hard to say. I’ve had far more sh!t encounters off Gardahan travelers.

    I guess it speaks to personal experience. You can be fine with Gardaraveler/scaldie from Tallaght until you actually have a bad encounter with them that changes your view.

    They don’t affect me either way so I don’t see how ranting about them online archives anything.

    I reckon you don't have a monkies what you're talking about is what I think.


  • #171
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    Muslims
    travelers
    Immigrants
    Climate changers


    Am I missing anyone? Is there a boards bingo card for people we don’t like?

    Things that cost the taxpayer money that it shouldnt and in the case of the top 3 add to violent crimes....

    Seems like a valud list


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  • #172
    Chris_Heilong
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,974 ✭✭✭Chris_Heilong


    Sorry for what? they choose to be outliers and not a part of society. They also choose when to commit crimes.


  • #173
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 77,534 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Eric Cartman and NasserShammaz - do not post in this thread again


  • #174
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    paleoperson wrote: »
    Not at all. In fact there is little relation.

    "Always"? Really? Always? You're going to go with that word when I'm here directly contradicting you, a living proof example that that's not the case?

    You can check for yourself. The links are right there when you click the profiles.


  • #175
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    Things that cost the taxpayer money that it shouldnt and in the case of the top 3 add to violent crimes....

    Seems like a valud list


    Edited didn’t see mods post


  • #176
    Markcheese
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,576 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    Chris_Heilong wrote: »
    Sorry for what? they choose to be outliers and not a part of society. They also choose when to commit crimes.

    True... So how do you stop them making those crappy decisions, that cost society a packet, and Feic up their communities and continue the cycle...
    (I don't mean apologise and pay compo,)

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • #177
    Pmacv1
    Registered Users Posts: 179 ✭✭Pmacv1


    Markcheese wrote: »
    True... So how do you stop them making those crappy decisions, that cost society a packet, and Feic up their communities and continue the cycle...
    (I don't mean apologise and pay compo,)

    Ship them all out to Achill.


  • #178
    pp_me
    Registered Users Posts: 197 ✭✭pp_me


    The end of the article says it all really..
    They also called for an end to reduced timetables, approved to Travellers who have difficulties in school, which they say schools use as an excuse to deal with them less.

    Why would the school need an excuse to 'deal with them less' if they behaved the same as all the other children. So even the traveller groups are acknowledging the traveller children are more troublesome than the rest :eek:


  • #179
    zeebre12
    Registered Users Posts: 545 ✭✭✭zeebre12


    One day I had a really difficult day in work and stopped at Tesco on the way home and what pulls up beside me only travellers in a brand new van and they in their pyjamas. I had to ask myself what am I really doing? It would really piss you off.


  • #180
    high_king
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 418 ✭✭high_king


    zeebre12 wrote: »
    One day I had a really difficult day in work and stopped at Tesco on the way home and what pulls up beside me only travellers in a brand new van and they in their pyjamas. I had to ask myself what am I really doing? It would really piss you off.

    Fair play to them. It could only piss a racist off.


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  • #181
    statesaver
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,084 ✭✭✭statesaver


    high_king wrote: »
    Fair play to them. It could only piss a racist off.

    Racist ?????? How can white people be racist to other white people. FFS


  • #182
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    Muslims
    travelers
    Immigrants
    Climate changers


    Am I missing anyone?


    Moaners


  • #183
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    statesaver wrote: »
    Racist ?????? How can white people be racist to other white people. FFS

    You dont get it.
    Travellers play by the rule when and if they suit them.
    They call out "Racism" and "minority group". They know everything about their civil rights and nothing about their civil responsibilities.


  • #184
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Moaners

    The majority of those ranting against minorities constantly on boards might object to being called moaners :)


  • #185
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    You dont get it.
    Travellers play by the rule when and if they suit them.
    They call out "Racism" and "minority group". They know everything about their civil rights and nothing about their civil responsibilities.

    Agree.
    Racism is a dumb and flawed word.
    There is only one race. The human race.
    We’re all the effin same species.

    Some just think they’re somehow superior and there are some beneath them.
    Read the thread back if in doubt.


  • #186
    high_king
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 418 ✭✭high_king


    statesaver wrote: »
    Racist ?????? How can white people be racist to other white people. FFS

    Glad you'll never be a senator now you racist.


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  • #187
    statesaver
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,084 ✭✭✭statesaver


    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    Agree.
    Racism is a dumb and flawed word.
    There is only one race. The human race.
    We’re all the effin same species.

    I feel a John Lennon song coming on


  • #188
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    statesaver wrote: »
    I feel a John Lennon song coming on

    God no. Imagine the royalties we’d have to pay


  • #189
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    Agree.
    Racism is a dumb and flawed word.
    There is only one race. The human race.
    We’re all the effin same species.

    Some just think they’re somehow superior and there are some beneath them.
    Read the thread back if in doubt.

    Easily known they arent living with an asses roar of your home or family.


  • #190
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    Easily known they arent living with an asses roar of your home or family.

    You’ve no idea where I live (D7 if you must know) and surrounded in an area full of all walks of life from the feral violent gangs of kids running the streets wrecking cars and anything they can lay their hands on (all Irish. From de flats) to the Muslims Africans Chinese and polish going quietly about their business. And special shout out to the traveler lads up on the o devaney gardens site where they keep their horses and let my dog say hello when we go by.

    Going by your archaic rural terminology you live absolutely nowhere near any of these. Or anyone by the looks.


  • #191
    Pmacv1
    Registered Users Posts: 179 ✭✭Pmacv1


    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    You’ve no idea where I live (D7 if you must know) and surrounded in an area full of all walks of life from the feral violent gangs of kids running the streets wrecking cars and anything they can lay their hands on (all Irish. From de flats) to the Muslims Africans Chinese and polish going quietly about their business. And special shout out to the traveler lads up on the o devaney gardens site where they keep their horses and let my dog say hello when we go by.

    Going by your archaic rural terminology you live absolutely nowhere near any of these. Or anyone by the looks.

    It's nice that they let your dog say hello before they beat the horse to death during a sulky race.


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  • #192
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    You’ve no idea where I live (D7 if you must know) and surrounded in an area full of all walks of life from the feral violent gangs of kids running the streets wrecking cars and anything they can lay their hands on (all Irish. From de flats) to the Muslims Africans Chinese and polish going quietly about their business. And special shout out to the traveler lads up on the o devaney gardens site where they keep their horses and let my dog say hello when we go by.

    Going by your archaic rural terminology you live absolutely nowhere near any of these. Or anyone by the looks.

    Damn right I live in the country, however we have had the odd jack russell and sheep dog go missing. Had a couple of traveller teenagers climb through our garage window "just havin' a look". our neighbours had a few trailer taken away under mysterious circumstances and we had to ask a few caravan dwellers to get off the land with a tractor and front loader in the background. Travellers arent completely confined to Dublin. There are far worse areas in Ireland to live but lets say we have been proactive in preventing crime in our area.


  • #193
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    Pmacv1 wrote: »
    It's nice that they let your dog say hello before they beat the horse to death during a sulky race.

    Before the dog fight but after the bare knuckle fight. Isnt culture wonder when it is share?


  • #194
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    Jaysis lads you’ll be afraid of the draft twitching your curtains next


  • #195
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    Jaysis lads you’ll be afraid of the draft twitching your curtains next

    You deserve what you get and what you will put up with.


  • #196
    statesaver
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,084 ✭✭✭statesaver


    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    Jaysis lads you’ll be afraid of the draft twitching your curtains next

    :rolleyes:


  • #197
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    You deserve what you get and what you will put up with.

    Marauding hoardes of muslims and travelers and a few trans coming to burn your house down.
    Yeehaw

    Maybe they won’t though. And you’re being spooked by shadows and falling for nonsense in the **** media you consume


  • #198
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    Marauding hoardes of muslims and travelers and a few trans coming to burn your house down.
    Yeehaw

    We dont mess around with stuff in our area.
    We dont take messing from Phil Hogan:
    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/travellers-faced-threats-before-home-set-on-fire-26840694.html


  • #199
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    We dont mess around with stuff in our area.
    We dont take messing from Phil Hogan:
    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/travellers-faced-threats-before-home-set-on-fire-26840694.html

    So you’re saying you threaten settler traveller families? Are you implicating yourself with that particular attack?
    Why?


  • #200
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,673 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    It's hilarious that a group who pay no tax and live off the state even though many of them are richer than working folk now want even more.

    If this was talked about 50 years ago when they really did have nothing they might have had a point to make but not in 2019.


  • #201
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    So you’re saying you threaten settler traveller families? Are you implicating yourself with that particular attack?
    Why?

    I am saying there was a family who were creating trouble in the area. Political pressure was put on local politicians by Phil Hogan to rehouse them. It did not go to plan. I was somewhere else that night and I have nothing to offer on if someone did something about it of if it was an accidental fire. This is clearly an unsafe area for members of the travelling community. Clearly the community did not tolerate it.


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