Paquiao vs Mayweather fight

suger shane roidsley never failed a urine test?

efb wrote: »

MICHELLE SMITH DIDN'T FAIL THE TESTS EITHER...

No She was seen to have tempered with, but she never failed a drugs test.

It's a very valid comparison. Marion Jones moreso

So passing a drugs test now counts for nothing ??

Why do they bother then .

Mosley was cleared in the Balco case ?.... you seem to know more than they do !!! S.S is a clean living fighter that dosent go on with any of the tough gangsta crap like most of these loud-mouths.
He's a guy with high morals and cant be compared with the Mayweathers.


And as for the irony of the Mayweather family claiming cheat - Yes it's a fair point i believe .
The Mayweather family are scum , always have been and dont look like changing anytime soon.
To be fair Floyd jnr seems to be the cleanest and most reputable of the lot. Despite his recent shooting debacle)
All the rest have been mixed up in serious drug running , battery of women , GBH and other low-life activities .
I have no doubt that they themselves would "cheat" the system if they thought they would get away with it .

Anyway ,part of this thread is making me laugh to myself.
Pacman has been on a complete rampage thru the weight classes for a good while now , and we havent heard as much as a sniff about steroids on this forum .
Now Mayweather's comes out with his new rule-book and all the drug experts have arrived on boards with their 2-pence worth!!!! where were ye 6 months ago ????
With all yis-r knowledge about the loop holes , maybe the Nevada Commision would benifit from this thread, as they have been clearly getting it wrong all these years .
God knows how they managed to obtain such a reputation for high professional standards !!

I am sicked by people questioning pcaman, if i was fighting mayweather and he tried to make me take a drug test outside of the set rules, I would tell him to get stuff. Why would I bow to him? Who does he think he is? take it up with the boxing board.

Pacman is being made out to be pharmacist genius finding loop holes in the testing system and out smarting everyone involved

P.s With a knickname as "money" I find it hard to like him. as a person he is the least inspirational boxer i know, considering how big he is

kevinhug wrote: »

I am sicked by people questioning pcaman, if i was fighting mayweather and he tried to make me take a drug test outside of the set rules, I would tell him to get stuff. Why would I bow to him? Who does he think he is? take it up with the boxing board.

Pacman is being made out to be pharmacist genius finding loop holes in the testing system and out smarting everyone involved

P.s With a knickname as "money" I find it hard to like him. as a person he is the least inspirational boxer i know, considering how big he is

ANother person who is against random testing that could clean up the sport. But the coinsidence here is that this poster also dislikes Mayweather:D:D

kevinhug wrote: »

I am sicked by people questioning pcaman, if i was fighting mayweather and he tried to make me take a drug test outside of the set rules, I would tell him to get stuff. Why would I bow to him? Who does he think he is? take it up with the boxing board.

Pacman is being made out to be pharmacist genius finding loop holes in the testing system and out smarting everyone involved

P.s With a knickname as "money" I find it hard to like him. as a person he is the least inspirational boxer i know, considering how big he is

He's disgustingly devoid of morals and class. Apple, tree and all that.

That vomit-inducing segment in the JMM 24/7 where he went handing out meals to the homeless (without getting out of the van) was pathetic.

akindoc wrote: »

ANother person who is against random testing that could clean up the sport. But the coinsidence here is that this poster also dislikes Mayweather:D:D

Any idea why the proper authorities dont carry out these random tests ?
Why is it restricted to the ametuer game ??

If the proper bodies require random tests then i fully expect team Pacman to comply .
If the Mayweathers request conditions outside the ruling body , then i fully expect team Pacman to tell them to shove it up their XXXX.

Now , answer me this :
Why did Mayweather agree to fight Pac if he/they are so sure about his steroid use ?
And why bring it up now after the fight and date has been agreed ?

surely this should have arisen way before now ....... think about it.

Akindoc is surely a Mayweather fan and shows more bias here than anybody .
If all this knowledge about steroid loopholes is so freely available , then why aren't the professional bodies taking note ?????
Why do these proper authorities belive their criteria is sufficient ???

p.s. Mosley was cleared for a reason , ...and cleared by people who have all the facts on the case .
He's only found guilty by random internet posters who have very limited knowledge .
The days of cracking 6 raw eggs whole are gone ,..... they all take supplements and all go to the very limit of the legal borderline if not past it .

ODD-JOB wrote: »

Any idea why the proper authorities dont carry out these random tests ?
Why is it restricted to the ametuer game ??

If the proper bodies require random tests then i fully expect team Pacman to comply .
If the Mayweathers request conditions outside the ruling body , then i fully expect team Pacman to tell them to shove it up their XXXX.

Now , answer me this :
Why did Mayweather agree to fight Pac if he/they are so sure about his steroid use ?
And why bring it up now after the fight and date has been agreed ?

surely this should have arisen way before now ....... think about it.

Akindoc is surely a Mayweather fan and shows more bias here than anybody .
If all this knowledge about steroid loopholes is so freely available , then why aren't the professional bodies taking note ?????
Why do these proper authorities belive their criteria is sufficient ???

p.s. Mosley was cleared for a reason , ...and cleared by people who have all the facts on the case .
He's only found guilty by random internet posters who have very limited knowledge .
The days of cracking 6 raw eggs whole are gone ,..... they all take supplements and all go to the very limit of the legal borderline if not past it .

I see a lot of talk but that's it.

Do you know ANYTHING about the Mosley case? He ADMITTED using. Read up.

Do you know anything about EPO or HGH? Do you know why a simple urine test before and after a fight is insufficient?

The reason I ask these questions is because I genuinely think you are misinformed, or that you haven't bothered to educate yourself on the matter.

I'm actually more of a Pacman fan than a PBF fan, which is funny. I'm just a lot less biased than most. Pacman won me over completely in his loss to Erik morales, which I rate as the best fight I have ever seen.

I think mayweather will beat him though. But that's besides the point.

After this, Pacman will HAVE to do these tests if he wants to fight any Golden boy fighter or pretty much any fighter because there is a very good chance that these tests will be enforced by the commission. They have been exposed here. A urine test before and after the fight? lol.

Who would have thought that a fighter would have issues with proving he is clean in this day and age? Floyd is willing to do it, Pacman isn't. The Pacman camp have no problem stipulating 10 million per pound overweight though.

All in all, I am not sure Pac is using but it would be VERY easy to get away with it under the current testing. This new testing would ensure a fair fight, which every boxing fan (who isn't biased against Mayweather) should want.

akindoc wrote: »

Do you know ANYTHING about the Mosley case? He ADMITTED using. Read up.

Do you know anything about EPO or HGH? Do you know why a simple urine test before and after a fight is insufficient?

Yeah , I know that case inside out .

but I dont know much about EPO or HGH ....... I just wanted you to tell me why qualified professional authorities dont fell the need to enforce random testing to cover against this use .

You think its necessary - They dont seem to .

sorry to be a bit smart with you about the youtube thing , i'm just illustrating the point that info from youtube random counts for little .

If the relevant NSAC ask Manny for random testing , and Manny refuses then thats totally different .

Im going to leave it there cause we're not going to change each others minds !! Funny enough I was going to post a poll about a month ago titled "Pac using steroids -Yes -No" , and thought it would be in bad taste to do so .

I did however question Margarito's win over Cotto , and it turned a bit negative.
Anyway lets see what this defamation lawsuit brings......
A real boxing Soap opera

consultech wrote: »

That's a moot question:

The criticism being levelled at Mayweather is based on the respective characters of PBF and Pacman. Manny Pacquiao is a model professional, and human being. He wouldn't pull this shit, simple as.

Mayweather is a trash-talking scumbag, from a family of drug-traffickers; Accused of rape, sexual assault, GBH, gun crimes etc etc. Roger even shot his brother while he was holding Floyd as a baby FFS. What more character reference could you possibly need?

If a genuinely honest and straight up fighter like Ricky Hatton or Miguel Cotto made these noises, perhaps you might sit up and take notice, as you'd assume they had some sort of basis or tip-off for it. I (and obviously a lot of others) am not willing to even entertain this bullshit from a source like team Mayweather, backed by an equally impressive scumbag in Oscar De la Hoya.

Thanks for being honest. So it's not the subject of drug testing that you have a problem with, it's Mayweather himself. :rolleyes:

Running Bing wrote: »

Lol..some fans dont want to be won over my Mayweather.

If this event highlights anything its if you hate Mayweather you hate him and nothing will change that.

I just find the whole thing hilarious thinking to myself what if the roles we're reversed.

Can the people posting here honestly say if Manny wanted the test and PBF refused they would be coming out and attacking Manny?

Honestly the double standards are horrendous. Me, I love both guys, their both class acts and a cut above the rest and I just hope the best man wins when the fight happens.

It's pretty funny but at least consultech admits that he is only criticising the drug testing because it's Mayweather who wants it. He admits that if Hatton wanted it, it would be a different story. It is hilarious how people like that cannot see how funny they are being

akindoc wrote: »

It's pretty funny but at least consultech admits that he is only criticising the drug testing because it's Mayweather who wants it. He admits that if Hatton wanted it, it would be a different story. It is hilarious how people like that cannot see how funny they are being

You're going to completely undermine whatever point it is that you're trying to make if you continue chatting shite and clutching at straws by quoting me out of context (twice).

consultech wrote: »

The criticism being levelled at Mayweather is based on the respective characters of PBF and Pacman...

The above quote is presumably where you inferred that I am only critisizing the testing based on Mayweather's character? Nowhere does it say that I am of the above opinion. To the non-biased my statement would've read: "The general criticism being levelled at..." i.e. By sports writers/fans/forum monkeys.

consultech wrote: »

If a genuinely honest and straight up fighter like Ricky Hatton or Miguel Cotto made these noises, perhaps you might sit up and take notice, as you'd assume they had some sort of basis or tip-off for it.

Is this where I "admit" if Hatton wanted it, it'd be a different story?


My point of view isn't swayed by the fact that it's Mayweather: I am primarily behind Manny's refusal on grounds of principle. He shouldn't have to jump through any hoops outside of the NSAC guidelines. The statement I made falls inside the context of the question that was posed to the Manny support collective about roles reversed. You've inferred all sorts of opinions when all I was doing was quoting general concensus.