Paquiao vs Mayweather fight

fasterkayote_ · 04-12-2009 1:45am

Reginald P. DuM wrote: »

Manny Pacquiao making second run for elected office in Philippines - ESPN

Pacman continuing his multi-tasking into what could be the biggest year of his boxing life. I really hope he doesnt over-extend himself on this political business because he I'd love to see him trimming PBF. Singing, acting, boxing, now politics, again. Whats wrong with waiting a few years for parliment?? I'm sure Freddie is very amused by this latest news.

Yes my friend we Filipinos are very much confuse as well. Mayweather is one hell smartest fighter our man will face in this lifetime. Anyway pacman is rumoured to have a new gf, have anyone seen her on the net?( off topic ) moderators can delete this.....

Reginald P. DuM · 04-12-2009 1:04pm

fasterkayote_ wrote: »

Yes my friend we Filipinos are very much confuse as well. Mayweather is one hell smartest fighter our man will face in this lifetime. Anyway pacman is rumoured to have a new gf, have anyone seen her on the net?( off topic ) moderators can delete this.....

I know Pacman is a hero in the Philipines so one can only assume that he didn't get elected in 07 because his fans did not want to see him give up his boxing career before he has reached his peak??? If the elections are held before the Mayweather fight then we are likely to see a similar result.

All his efforts next year should go into perparing for Floyd, he clearly has the ability to beat him but it will require some effort and diluting his energies with politics would be a huge distraction. Plus it would be unfair on himself, his potential boxing legacy and his country. A man of his age has years ahead of him where he can devote to serving his country in politics. As for his new girlfriend I have heard nothing but I'm sure she's a fox.

f1dan · 04-12-2009 3:40pm

It's on!

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=23907

Only the venue to be sorted. I'd love to see it in Cowboys Stadium. It would make for one hell of an occasion, especially with that huge screen.

dardoz · 04-12-2009 6:13pm

actually no, they still haven't agreed the weight to fight at or the weight of glvoes to use yet. But the date is set.

rich1874 · 05-12-2009 5:14pm

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=4715684

looks like it's all settled alright. 50-50 split for the fighters, unusual for a Maywaether fight, looks like the only thing to be settled is the weight and the venue, i think the MGM grand would be a waste for such a big fight, the new Dallas Cowboys stadium is in the hunt apparently.

54kroc · 05-12-2009 5:24pm

rich1874 wrote: »

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=4715684i think the MGM grand would be a waste for such a big fight, the new Dallas Cowboys stadium is in the hunt apparently.

I think the idea of a temporary stadium in Las Vegas would be ideal instead of taking the fight to Dallas.

I can't wait for the fight,I've developed a severe dislike for the Pacman and now it looks like he's going to get a hiding.

magma69 · 05-12-2009 6:24pm

cork45 wrote: »

I think the idea of a temporary stadium in Las Vegas would be ideal instead of taking the fight to Dallas.

I can't wait for the fight,I've developed a severe dislike for the Pacman and now it looks like he's going to get a hiding.

Whoa there Nelly! What's there to dislike about Pac? He is the most exciting fighter to watch and is humble and dignified outside the ring. I'm dreading seeing him losing against a cnut with an ego the size of a small country who cherry picks fighters and says "the sport will be dead when he leaves it".
Even though it's very unlikely seeing PBF getting knocked out would be a moment in sport I would cherish for the rest of my days.

consultech · 05-12-2009 6:42pm

YESSS!

Im actually giddy, and just under 3 months away???? Fook yeah!!

This will stay in Vegas though.

Come on Manny!

nacho libre · 05-12-2009 8:44pm

i still have a funny feeling Mayweather will back out at the last minute and put the blame on others for doing so. He is going to try and seek every advantage that's for sure.

barakus · 05-12-2009 9:23pm

cork45 wrote: »

I think the idea of a temporary stadium in Las Vegas would be ideal instead of taking the fight to Dallas.

I can't wait for the fight,I've developed a severe dislike for the Pacman and now it looks like he's going to get a hiding.

Why? His skills cant be denied, not to mention he is extremely humble and respectful as well as being a true life story of triumph over adversity. He's the pride of a the filipino nation for christ sake.
Im still going for floyd to win this though:)

Vintagekits · 05-12-2009 9:29pm

cork45 wrote: »

I think the idea of a temporary stadium in Las Vegas would be ideal instead of taking the fight to Dallas.

I can't wait for the fight,I've developed a severe dislike for the Pacman and now it looks like he's going to get a hiding.

tell me you are joking. Possibly one of the most likable and humble character in sport not just boxing.

nacho libre · 05-12-2009 10:21pm

Vintagekits wrote: »

tell me you are joking. Possibly one of the most likable and humble character in sport not just boxing.

maybe the poster is related to his wife;)

54kroc · 05-12-2009 10:56pm

nacho libre wrote: »

maybe the poster is related to his wife;)

LoL

I know he's a nice chap,It's hard to explain I just don't like him anymore.
I do like Mayweather,He's got to be the biggest bastard in boxing but he back's up all his bull in the ring.

dardoz · 07-12-2009 11:07am

cork45 wrote: »

LoL

I know he's a nice chap,It's hard to explain I just don't like him anymore.
I do like Mayweather,He's got to be the biggest bastard in boxing but he back's up all his bull in the ring.

And Pacman doesn't?

Seriously... You say to have taken a 'severe' dislike to Pacman and then say you don't know why?!?!?!?!?!

54kroc · 07-12-2009 1:40pm

dardoz wrote: »

then say you don't know why?!?!?!?!?!

Did I say that or do you usually just make up and quote a random line.

ragg · 09-12-2009 10:50pm

Vegas for this on the 13th - then stop of in NYC for paddys day - they usually have a big boxing event on in MSG on the 17th

- BEST WEEK EVER - wish i could afford it

Vintagekits · 09-12-2009 11:17pm

ragg wrote: »

Vegas for this on the 13th - then stop of in NYC for paddys day - they usually have a big boxing event on in MSG on the 17th

- BEST WEEK EVER - wish i could afford it

I am doing it - already booked the MGM for 5 days and then meeting the missus in NYC on the way back - little does she know its for more boxing!!

Vintagekits · 09-12-2009 11:18pm

nacho libre wrote: »

maybe the poster is related to his wife;)

Ah the lovely Jinkee must have her head wrecked - its not like he hides it!

shaydy · 10-12-2009 12:16pm

Is it confirmed for Vegas?

Who are people booking through? How much did you pay? I've seen it for 6/7 ton for a 4 night break

walshb · 10-12-2009 12:40pm

shaydy wrote: »

Is it confirmed for Vegas?

Who are people booking through? How much did you pay? I've seen it for 6/7 ton for a 4 night break

Not yet. I hear that the Staples Center in L.A. has got in on the bidding; 20 million they have bid to stage this fight.

I think Las Vegas will get it. There will be no tax implications for the fighters and Las Vegas is where the money and gambling is; it is where the punters will flock to.

From the LATimes

Staples Center offers $20 million to host Manny Pacquiao-Floyd Mayweather Jr. fight
December 9, 2009

Staples Center has made a guaranteed $20-million offer to host the Manny Pacquiao-Floyd Mayweather Jr. mega-fight that has been verbally agreed to be fought March 13.

"This is the biggest boxing event ever, and we're prepared to step up in a big way," said Dan Beckerman, AEG's chief financial officer. Beckerman said his pitch to Mayweather promoter Richard Schaefer and Pacquiao's promoter Bob Arum is to "activate the entire L.A. Live campus" on fight week.

New J.W. Marriott and Ritz-Carlton hotels would serve as media headquarters, a fan-fest would be staged at Nokia Plaza, a large closed-circuit audience could watch the bout at Nokia Theatre and 20,000 would fill Staples Center, Beckerman said.

"We know there's interest in this fight across the world, but we're very interested and honored to make the most impressive offer possible," Beckerman said. "It's our biggest guarantee ever, and we hope it wins the day. We wanted to push as far and as hard as we could."

Schaefer, chief executive of Golden Boy Promotions, which counts AEG as a partner, declined to immediately comment on any site deals. He canceled a planned trip to tour Dallas Cowboys Stadium on Wednesday, but declined to explain why, other than repeating he was busy working to finalize the fight deal.

One of the barriers to staging the bout in California, promoters say, are the state taxes required from the boxers -- payments not required in Nevada and Texas.

"That's certainly a factor in the overall economics, and one thing we'd have to overcome," Beckerman said.

Staples has at least won the right to stage another fight of interest, the fourth chapter between Israel Vazquez and Rafael Marquez, on May 22, Beckerman said.

The classic trilogy had two fights at AEG's Home Depot Center, with both bouts won by Huntington Park's Vazquez.

"That's a great L.A. fight and the fourth installment appropriately needs to step up to the bigger venue," Beckerman said.

-- Lance Pugmire

davmol · 10-12-2009 12:49pm

If the promoters had any sense theyd hold the fight in a stadium with the greatest capacity ie Dallas (80,000)or new orleans,that way using supply(of seats) an ddemand the tickets would stay at a reasonable price especially if held in dallas with a capacity of 80k.
Id defo think of heading over if the event was held in dallas or NO

Vintagekits · 10-12-2009 12:51pm

I am booked into the MGM Grand in Vegas and will book flights to New York this weekend. Then all I need is an internal flight to Vegas and a ticket (easier said than done on the ticket front). But if they change the venue to LA I can cancel the hotel room for free and just alter the desitination that I was going to book on the internal fight.

Vintagekits · 10-12-2009 1:08pm

davmol wrote: »

If the promoters had any sense theyd hold the fight in a stadium with the greatest capacity ie Dallas (80,000)or new orleans,that way using supply(of seats) an ddemand the tickets would stay at a reasonable price especially if held in dallas with a capacity of 80k.
Id defo think of heading over if the event was held in dallas or NO

Thats not exactly how it works. If Vegas were prepared to pay a massive lump sum to the promoter which outweighed the potential additional revenue in receipts they of course they are going to go with Vegas.

shaydy · 10-12-2009 1:33pm

Vintagekits wrote: »

Thats not exactly how it works. If Vegas were prepared to pay a massive lump sum to the promoter which outweighed the potential additional revenue in receipts they of course they are going to go with Vegas.

Yeah, I think that's what'll happen in the end. It'll bring too much revenue to Vegas for it not to

Johner · 10-12-2009 2:17pm

Need money for this.

nuts86 · 10-12-2009 6:33pm

is it definatly on in vegas???

walshb · 10-12-2009 6:37pm

nuts86 wrote: »

is it definatly on in vegas???

No, nothing is definite with this fight. It's not even been officially confirmed as a done deal as far as I know. It's on the way to becoming a done deal for March 13th 2010.

joepenguin · 10-12-2009 10:57pm

that would be a great call, going to see pac-mayweather then to nyc to see the paddys day show which i have a feeling will be pavlik-duddy.
So how much are flights and estimated ticket price? I reckin if its in an indoor place good luck to getting face value tickets. which id say would be crazy anyway.

consultech · 11-12-2009 11:52am

Go ahead and book Vegas.

If you think this is going anywhere else you're deluded. Arum and DLH won't let this go anywhere else. The strip casinos alone donating an hour's take each should they ever be required to would take the pi$$ out of any other venue's bid. The loss of gambling revenue isn't somethin Vegas would ever allow happen.

Sure the GB CEO pulling out of the venue tour has as good as let everyone know already.

walshb · 11-12-2009 11:54am

consultech wrote: »

Go ahead and book Vegas.

If you think this is going anywhere else you're deluded. Arum and DLH won't let this go anywhere else. The strip casinos alone donating an hour's take each should they ever be required to would take the pi$$ out of any other venue's bid. The loss of gambling revenue isn't somethin Vegas would ever allow happen.

Yeah, it's gotta be Vegas, plus, Manny has intimated that he wants Vegas because it's his
lucky charm..let's hope Floyd doesn't scupper this fight.

I hear a press conference is to be held on Jan 6th. Roach has said that their side is signed and they are waiting on Floyd's side to sign

ragg · 11-12-2009 8:13pm

walshb wrote: »

Not yet. I hear that the Staples Center in L.A. has got in on the bidding; 20 million they have bid to stage this fight.

I think Las Vegas will get it. There will be no tax implications for the fighters and Las Vegas is where the money and gambling is; it is where the punters will flock to.

From the LATimes

Staples Center offers $20 million to host Manny Pacquiao-Floyd Mayweather Jr. fight
December 9, 2009

Staples Center has made a guaranteed $20-million offer to host the Manny Pacquiao-Floyd Mayweather Jr. mega-fight that has been verbally agreed to be fought March 13.

"This is the biggest boxing event ever, and we're prepared to step up in a big way," said Dan Beckerman, AEG's chief financial officer. Beckerman said his pitch to Mayweather promoter Richard Schaefer and Pacquiao's promoter Bob Arum is to "activate the entire L.A. Live campus" on fight week.

New J.W. Marriott and Ritz-Carlton hotels would serve as media headquarters, a fan-fest would be staged at Nokia Plaza, a large closed-circuit audience could watch the bout at Nokia Theatre and 20,000 would fill Staples Center, Beckerman said.

"We know there's interest in this fight across the world, but we're very interested and honored to make the most impressive offer possible," Beckerman said. "It's our biggest guarantee ever, and we hope it wins the day. We wanted to push as far and as hard as we could."

Schaefer, chief executive of Golden Boy Promotions, which counts AEG as a partner, declined to immediately comment on any site deals. He canceled a planned trip to tour Dallas Cowboys Stadium on Wednesday, but declined to explain why, other than repeating he was busy working to finalize the fight deal.

One of the barriers to staging the bout in California, promoters say, are the state taxes required from the boxers -- payments not required in Nevada and Texas.

"That's certainly a factor in the overall economics, and one thing we'd have to overcome," Beckerman said.

Staples has at least won the right to stage another fight of interest, the fourth chapter between Israel Vazquez and Rafael Marquez, on May 22, Beckerman said.

The classic trilogy had two fights at AEG's Home Depot Center, with both bouts won by Huntington Park's Vazquez.

"That's a great L.A. fight and the fourth installment appropriately needs to step up to the bigger venue," Beckerman said.

-- Lance Pugmire

How will staples make money out of this - its easy to see how the MGM would - but isn't stales just an arena? how can they make a profit on that?

Lord Trollington · 16-12-2009 2:52pm

The 24/7 build up for this fight would be unreal.. i really hope this fight happens and that Mayweather doesnt fu€k it all up.
if it does, i think we'll be looking at more than one fight between these 2!!!

makl · 23-12-2009 9:40am

dont really know what to make of this...

http://www.rte.ie/sport/boxing/2009/1223/mayweather.html

Mayweather camp claim Pacquiao fight in doubt
Wednesday, 23 December 2009 07:54

Floyd Mayweather's camp have claimed the American's planned fight with Manny Pacquiao is 'in jeopardy'.

Golden Boy Promotions chief executive Richard Schaefer said Pacquiao's promoters Top Rank have stated that the Filipino fighter will not agree to blood-testing in the 30 days prior to the fight, which has been expected to take place in March.

Schaefer said: 'Todd (Top Rank president Todd duBoef) told me that Pacquiao has difficulty with taking blood and doesn't want to do it so close to the fight.

'He, Pacquiao, would only agree to have blood drawn before the kick-off press conference and after the fight.'

Mayweather's management have requested that the fighters submit to blood-testing prior to the bout, to ensure both men are clean.

Schaefer added: 'It is unfortunate to hear this from Manny Pacquiao's representatives, particularly since, as of today, both parties had worked out all other issues related to this fight.'

Mayweather urged Pacquiao to agree to the blood testing.

'I understand Pacquiao not liking having his blood taken, because frankly I don't know anyone who really does,' said Mayweather.

'But in a fight of this magnitude, I think it is our responsibility to subject ourselves to sportsmanship at the highest level.'

walshb · 23-12-2009 10:35am

Mind games and tricks by Floyd, but, if Manny is kosher, then take the test. It applies to both men and if there is nothing to hide, take it. They are after all elite athletes and many other elite athletes take drugs tests.

davmol · 23-12-2009 11:55am

makl wrote: »

dont really know what to make of this...

http://www.rte.ie/sport/boxing/2009/1223/mayweather.html

Mayweather camp claim Pacquiao fight in doubt
Wednesday, 23 December 2009 07:54

Floyd Mayweather's camp have claimed the American's planned fight with Manny Pacquiao is 'in jeopardy'.

Golden Boy Promotions chief executive Richard Schaefer said Pacquiao's promoters Top Rank have stated that the Filipino fighter will not agree to blood-testing in the 30 days prior to the fight, which has been expected to take place in March.

Schaefer said: 'Todd (Top Rank president Todd duBoef) told me that Pacquiao has difficulty with taking blood and doesn't want to do it so close to the fight.

'He, Pacquiao, would only agree to have blood drawn before the kick-off press conference and after the fight.'

Mayweather's management have requested that the fighters submit to blood-testing prior to the bout, to ensure both men are clean.

Schaefer added: 'It is unfortunate to hear this from Manny Pacquiao's representatives, particularly since, as of today, both parties had worked out all other issues related to this fight.'

Mayweather urged Pacquiao to agree to the blood testing.

'I understand Pacquiao not liking having his blood taken, because frankly I don't know anyone who really does,' said Mayweather.

'But in a fight of this magnitude, I think it is our responsibility to subject ourselves to sportsmanship at the highest level.'

RTE eh?? Always the worlds pioneer for boxing news:D

walshb · 23-12-2009 12:03pm

davmol wrote: »

RTE eh?? Always the worlds pioneer for boxing news:D

You reckon they got it incorrect here?

shamblertine · 23-12-2009 1:26pm

so its pretty obvious from this that Manny isn't clean, thats a real shame

f1dan · 23-12-2009 1:28pm

davmol wrote: »

RTE eh?? Always the worlds pioneer for boxing news:D

It's on all the other boxing sites so it seems genuine.

Olympic style testing seems a bit severe but as someone above said, if they've got nothing to hide they should prove it.

walshb · 23-12-2009 1:32pm

Is this the first time that boxers have been subject to this kind of testing?

If the testing is not a legal requirement, then maybe Pac should not take it, or be
requested to take it. Boxing is a drug tested sport, and until they bring in new testing measures, then Pacman should play by the "boxing testing" rules.

I am vacillating on this issue. On the one hand, I want to see that our boxers are clean, and are tested vigorously and rigidly, but on the other hand, if the rules in boxing are all that is required, then play by them rules.

consultech · 23-12-2009 2:33pm

I suppose testing rules are testing rules, and Manny's technically doin nothing wrong, and obviously Mayweather is gonna take the high road on this one (as per the quote above). However, twould be fairly shit if it transpired (by way of either actual proof, or inference by fight cancellation) that Manny wasn't clean.

akindoc · 23-12-2009 3:40pm

ooops, looks like Pacman isn't prepared to go into a fight without his roids. He had the boxing testing sussed, but not this new testing... question marks over his entire career now...

walshb · 23-12-2009 3:52pm

akindoc wrote: »

ooops, looks like Pacman isn't prepared to go into a fight without his roids. He had the boxing testing sussed, but not this new testing... question marks over his entire career now...

Your post seems to imply that you believe Manny to be a suspect fighter?
He might well be, but so far, he hasn't tested for anything illegal
in boxing.

Until new testing standards are implemented and made legal in boxing, doesn't he have
the right NOT to take the test, especially when Floyd could be playin' games with him.

It's as much about mind games and gaining a mental edge as it is about fair play

consultech · 23-12-2009 3:52pm

akindoc wrote: »

ooops, looks like Pacman isn't prepared to go into a fight without his roids. He had the boxing testing sussed, but not this new testing... question marks over his entire career now...

Fairly clueless/sensationlist statement tbh.

I'm not saying he's clean, nobody knows now; But he's well within his rights to not want to give a single drop of blood in the run up to the biggest fight of his career.

The man has achieved nothing short of multiple miracles in successfully moving through the weights, and him being able to get his body to 110% condition should be his only priority, even if that means upsetting a few sensibilities by ducking behind the technicalities of the testing guidelines.

simongurnick · 23-12-2009 4:03pm

walshb wrote: »

Is this the first time that boxers have been subject to this kind of testing?

If the testing is not a legal requirement, then maybe Pac should not take it, or be
requested to take it. Boxing is a drug tested sport, and until they bring in new testing measures, then Pacman should play by the "boxing testing" rules.

I am vacillating on this issue. On the one hand, I want to see that our boxers are clean, and are tested vigorously and rigidly, but on the other hand, if the rules in boxing are all that is required, then play by them rules.

Have to disagree here. The problem with drug cheats in all sports is they have found ways to get around each organisations testing procedures. Marion Jones was tested loads of times before she was caught. If Manny is clean, he is clean. He should take a test anywhere, anytime and if he doesnt why should Floyd have to face him.
I hope to God he is clean given that he has been such a great role model for the sport.

shamblertine · 23-12-2009 4:09pm

consultech wrote: »

Fairly clueless/sensationlist statement tbh.

I'm not saying he's clean, nobody knows now; But he's well within his rights to not want to give a single drop of blood in the run up to the biggest fight of his career.

The man has achieved nothing short of multiple miracles in successfully moving through the weights, and him being able to get his body to 110% condition should be his only priority, even if that means upsetting a few sensibilities by ducking behind the technicalities of the testing guidelines.

I think you're being incredibly naive. The only possible reason why he wouldn't want to give a test before the fight is if he wasn't clean. A blood test takes all of about 10 seconds and doesn't hurt, don't believe the bull about him not liking giving blood tests. Its as clear as day whats going on here but then I suppose people will believe what they want to believe.

akindoc · 23-12-2009 4:45pm

shamblertine wrote: »

I think you're being incredibly naive. The only possible reason why he wouldn't want to give a test before the fight is if he wasn't clean. A blood test takes all of about 10 seconds and doesn't hurt, don't believe the bull about him not liking giving blood tests. Its as clear as day whats going on here but then I suppose people will believe what they want to believe.

Yep. 25-30 million on the table and a simple blood test is stopping him from collecting? Hmmm.

Reginald P. DuM · 23-12-2009 5:19pm

I must say its very disconcerting for a Pacquiao fan to hear of this news.
I'm trying to get a handle on it, if someone could correct me if I am wrong. Mannny has no objections to be tested in the way he has been done before, as in before the pre-fight press conference (30 days) and after the fight. But Mayweather want Olympic style testing done which means random bloods and urine at any time up to and after the bout.

So the Olympic testing has never been done before in Manny's experience and Floyd is trying to rattle his cage by insisting they go the new route, which is by no means mandatory? Have I got it right before I draw any conclusions....

consultech · 23-12-2009 5:24pm

Reginald P. DuM wrote: »

I must say its very disconcerting for a Pacquiao fan to hear of this news.
I'm trying to get a handle on it, if someone could correct me if I am wrong. Mannny has no objections to be tested in the way he has been done before, as in before the pre-fight press conference (30 days) and after the fight. But Mayweather want Olympic style testing done which means random bloods and urine at any time up to and after the bout.

So the Olympic testing has never been done before in Manny's experience and Floyd is trying to rattle his cage by insisting they go the new route, which is by no means mandatory? Have I got it right before I draw any conclusions....

That's about the size of it, yeah.

I think it's too early to comment tbh. It would be great to see Manny just say "ok then" as the fight approaches. He may just be fucking with Mayweather coz that's clearly what PBF is trying to do himself.

It's all seemed like a very ego-driven affair since the get-go, and now that PBF is making more demands; Manny might just have a problem with saying "How high" straight away.

walshb · 23-12-2009 5:46pm

simongurnick wrote: »

Have to disagree here. The problem with drug cheats in all sports is they have found ways to get around each organisations testing procedures. Marion Jones was tested loads of times before she was caught. If Manny is clean, he is clean. He should take a test anywhere, anytime and if he doesnt why should Floyd have to face him.
I hope to God he is clean given that he has been such a great role model for the sport.

I don't know what you are disagreeing with. I am well aware that the cheats can beat the system; my point is that in the sport of boxing, Manny is not legally required to do this KIND of test.

What I find odd is that Floyd is saying that Pacman is one dimensional and that he will KO him; and now he wants drugs tests? His version of testing!
Reeks of games to me

akindoc · 23-12-2009 5:58pm

walsh who said Pac was legally required to do the test?

Plenty of people have expressed some question marks about his going through the weights with no bother, not just the Mayweathers.

Do you know what the NVAC drug testing procedure is? A urine test before the fight and a urine test after the fight.

If you know anything about performance enhancing drugs, you'll know that that is far from adequate. The long training camp is where the hard work is done and where the drugs will help.

Pac is not comfortable with random tests up to 10 weeks before the fight. He is not legally required to take them, but it doesn't take a genius to see something suspicious here.

Paquiao vs Mayweather fight

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