Listen to Jazz! It's good! Who wants to take the Jazz test?

Fusion251 · 27-03-2005 3:41pm #1

Yes I mean you!! All you boards people!

There's a lack of posting in the Jazz forum and I don't think it's right tbh.

Why don't people listen to Jazz as much as other styles of music?

Are there any non-jazzers out there willing to take the Jazz test?

Listen to Jazz for a full week and give a verdict?

The artists to listen to could be posted by the regular Jazz threaders.

Whaddya think?

Makaveli · 27-03-2005 5:34pm

Jazz I find, unlike other genres is a real mood music. If I'm not in the right frame of my mind it just doesn't appeal to me at all. Where as other genres are just easier to throw on at any time.

That said, you can't beat a bit of Miles Davis.

Buddhapadge · 27-03-2005 7:54pm

I was in work the other day, and I brought in a few CDs - Giant Steps, some Return To Forever, etc. It was early, and my coffee had yet to kick in, so I thought I'd put on some Headhunters, to get me into a good working mood. So I was listening away, minding my own business, when I overheard my manager complaining to one of the other ladies about the tunes. It seems like what I find easy listening wouldn't be what other people consider easy at all. I don't understand at all! Maybe jazz is music that only musicians can appreciate... :-)

Fusion251 · 27-03-2005 8:22pm

Buddhapadge wrote:

Maybe jazz is music that only musicians can appreciate... :-)

Yeah I hear ya, although Headhunters shouldn't have been too hard to digest. Giant Steps on the other hand is alot to take in for a non musician and can be a bit much for most music lovers tbh. I love it, but not many of my friends will listen through Coltranes solo on Giant Steps itself. For me it's swingin 8th note heaven!!

Cheers lads
Keep posting everyone, lets see some other reasons why Jazz is so inaccessable as an idiom.

Fusion
:cool:

fortuneg · 04-04-2005 12:20pm

So who was at the TBMC open jazz day?

How'd everyone find it?

Drapper · 04-04-2005 12:25pm

Early #Jazz is best between 1940- 1960's Stan Getz, Bil Evans and John COltrane...................

The real birth of Cool

Buddhapadge · 04-04-2005 10:17pm

fortuneg wrote:

So who was at the TBMC open jazz day?

How'd everyone find it?

I was at it - I thought it was great. I wanted to see Jalepeno Diplomacy, but I missed them, and the place was too full to watch Havana Son, so I decided to leave it. Still, I got some really good cheap CDs, so it's not all bad.

Velvet Vocals · 13-04-2005 2:50pm

Fusion251 wrote:

Yes I mean you!! All you boards people!

There's a lack of posting in the Jazz forum and I don't think it's right tbh.

Why don't people listen to Jazz as much as other styles of music?

Are there any non-jazzers out there willing to take the Jazz test?

Listen to Jazz for a full week and give a verdict?

The artists to listen to could be posted by the regular Jazz threaders.

Whaddya think?

Did anyone take the test??? If anyone is still interested in taking this test, I will use my "rip off my job" skills and personally make you a CD of some excellent introduction tunes for you to listen to and post them out to an address of your choice.... once you commit to listening for a whole week and then reporting back.... come on people, now is your chance!

Velvet Vocals · 13-04-2005 3:00pm

fortuneg wrote:

So who was at the TBMC open jazz day?

How'd everyone find it?

I never heard anything about this?

What was it like? is there going to be a follow up gigs or anything? Did many people show up?

I was in work the other day, and I brought in a few CDs - Giant Steps, some Return To Forever, etc. It was early, and my coffee had yet to kick in, so I thought I'd put on some Headhunters, to get me into a good working mood. So I was listening away, minding my own business, when I overheard my manager complaining to one of the other ladies about the tunes. It seems like what I find easy listening wouldn't be what other people consider easy at all. I don't understand at all! Maybe jazz is music that only musicians can appreciate... :-)

I have the same thing, I share a small office with some people and unless I put on something nice and simple they give me sh*t. I think that you really do have to process music in a different way to enjoy some styles of jazz. For instance, there are some forms of fusion that I just can't cope with but my boyfriend loves! I can listen to it and understand it, but I wouldn't choose it over something else.

Fusion251 · 15-04-2005 12:09am

Saint Something wrote:

May you never lay you head down without a hand to hold and may you never make your bed out in the cold

nice..!

Buddhapadge · 16-04-2005 12:44am

Saint Something wrote:

I never heard anything about this?
What was it like? is there going to be a follow up gigs or anything? Did many people show up?

I have the same thing, I share a small office with some people and unless I put on something nice and simple they give me sh*t. I think that you really do have to process music in a different way to enjoy some styles of jazz. For instance, there are some forms of fusion that I just can't cope with but my boyfriend loves! I can listen to it and understand it, but I wouldn't choose it over something else.

The Open Day was jammed. I could barely move in the Music Centre, and that's a big place. There was a band playing in the basement of the Arthouse across the road too, and it was packed for them, also. I don't know if they are going to have any follow up for a while, I think it's like a yearly thing.

I suppose the problem with my workmates though is that none of them have any taste.

fish-head · 16-04-2005 9:23am

I reckon Kind Of Blue or Time Out would be good starter albums, that's what hooked me at least. They both show different sides of the whole affair too with Kind Of Blue's modal improv and Time Out's structured and tuneful brilliance.

Drapper · 16-04-2005 11:18am

fish-head wrote:

I reckon Kind Of Blue or Time Out would be good starter albums, that's what hooked me at least. They both show different sides of the whole affair too with Kind Of Blue's modal improv and Time Out's structured and tuneful brilliance.

I'd agree and a little Bill Evans if you like after diner jazz ............. ALone is a great album............

Fusion251 · 16-04-2005 11:54am

Yep, Blue Trane is pretty accesable... A good intro to Coltrane..

Velvet Vocals · 18-04-2005 12:25pm

Buddhapadge wrote:

The Open Day was jammed. I could barely move in the Music Centre, and that's a big place. There was a band playing in the basement of the Arthouse across the road too, and it was packed for them, also. I don't know if they are going to have any follow up for a while, I think it's like a yearly thing.

I suppose the problem with my workmates though is that none of them have any taste.

Sweet, sounds like it was a great sucess. Sorry I missed it!

Drummer · 18-04-2005 12:28pm

Im not mad about Jazz music - but Jazz drumming is amazing. Then again i love all thing percussion, well most. With the exception of maybe xylophone or glokenspiel. Check out Buddy Rich & Max Roach.

Velvet Vocals · 18-04-2005 12:28pm

Fusion251 wrote:

nice..!

Yea, it is nice! I can't take credit for it though unfortunatly. Its from a song by John Martyn. Who is just totally amasing!

Beruthiel · 18-04-2005 1:16pm

Saint Something wrote:

Did anyone take the test??? If anyone is still interested in taking this test, I will use my "rip off my job" skills and personally make you a CD of some excellent introduction tunes for you to listen to and post them out to an address of your choice.... once you commit to listening for a whole week and then reporting back.... come on people, now is your chance!

jeeezz
how can I pass this up!?

ok
I already have nina simone, ella fitz, Billie Holiday, miles davis, louis armstrong so I'm not a total beginner, however, I want to be introduced to more, some really bluesie type stuff with lots of sax!!
many, many years ago I heard a louis armstrong song about a funeral, it blew me away but I've never been able to get my hands on it!

do you know the song I'm talking about??

Velvet Vocals · 18-04-2005 3:18pm

Beruthiel wrote:

jeeezz
how can I pass this up!?

ok
I already have nina simone, ella fitz, Billie Holiday, miles davis, louis armstrong so I'm not a total beginner, however, I want to be introduced to more, some really bluesie type stuff with lots of sax!!
many, many years ago I heard a louis armstrong song about a funeral, it blew me away but I've never been able to get my hands on it! do you know the song I'm talking about??

I know the song you're talking about but I can't for the life of me think of the name of it. I had it on a double CD that someone bought for me a few years ago but it was amongst many CD's that were stolen from my car :mad:
I'll do you up a CD now with some Louis on it and some other stuff... pm me with your address
Cheers

Beruthiel · 18-04-2005 3:42pm

ah you're a little star!
PM on the way

Velvet Vocals · 18-04-2005 4:49pm

Ok, so i've made the cd and posted it out to Beruthiel, I made a few copies just in case anyone else is interested.

The play list is as follows :

Acker Bilk & Orchestra - Stranger On The Shore
Booker T & the MG's -- Green Onion
Bugge Wesseltoft - New conception of Jazz - Track 1*
Bugge Wesseltoft - New conception of Jazz - Track 3*
David Grisman Quintet - Dawganova
David Grisman Quintet - Manha de Carnaval
David Grisman Quintet - Brazillian Breeze
Diana Krall - Cry Me a River - The Look of Love
Diana Krall - How Deep Is The Ocean
Diana Krall - Nearness of You
Diana Krall - They Can't take That Away From Me
Ella Fitzgerald - mack_the_knife
Friday night in San Fansisco - Mediteranean Sundance
H.R Is a Dirty Guitar Player - Howard Roberts Quartet
Joan Armatrading_-_Drop The Pilot*
Joe Pass & Ella Fitzgerald - 'Tis Autumn
John Coltrane - Plays it cool - Track 1
John Martyn - I'd rather be the devil
John Martyn - I don't want to know about evil
John Martyn - Catching the next train home
jose feliciano - Classical Gas
Louis Armstrong - SLEEPY TIME DOWN SOUTH
Louis Armstrong- Baby Won't You Please Come Home
Louis Armstrong- Basin Street Blues
Louis Armstrong- Jeepers Creepers
Louis Armstrong- Where the Blues Were Born in New Orleans
Louis Armstrong-Ain't Misbehavin'
Louis Armstrong-Blues for Yesterday
Marvin Gaye_Performance 1983 North America Tour_03_Let's Ge
Marvin Gaye-What's Going On
Mini Riperton - 4 hero - les fleurs
Nina Simone - My Baby Just Cares For Me
Pat Metheny - One Quite Night - Track 1*
Pat Metheny -One Quite Night - Track 3*
Peppino D'Agustino -04. The Blue Ocean
Zrazy - Rain*
Round Midnight- Above The World - Andy Sommers (Sting on vocal)
Stephane Grappelli - You are the sunshine of my life
Suzanne Vega - Caramel
Tom Tyler - Forward Going Backward
Tracy Chapman - Give Me One Reason*

* I lost the album that I had so I just have this on my pc now and don't know the track names

* They play in The George every sunday...well worth a look

* More blues then Jazz but great all the same

Beruthiel · 18-04-2005 4:59pm

that's fantastic saint something!
thanks again

Beruthiel · 20-04-2005 9:49am

hey saint something, I'm right now listening to the cd you sent me! so far it's great - only on third tune - mediterranean sundance - I'm getting a flashback to about 10 years ago when a friend who lived in the boonies put on a record, opened all the windows and we were into the garden at 3.00am in the morning (don't ask!

) listening to that piece of music - lol, hadn't thought of that in years - thanks a mill

Velvet Vocals · 21-04-2005 11:49am

Beruthiel wrote:

hey saint something, I'm right now listening to the cd you sent me! so far it's great - only on third tune - mediterranean sundance - I'm getting a flashback to about 10 years ago when a friend who lived in the boonies put on a record, opened all the windows and we were into the garden at 3.00am in the morning (don't ask! ) listening to that piece of music - lol, hadn't thought of that in years - thanks a mill

Nice one, I'm delighted you liked it! Let me know how you got on with the rest of it.

Fusion251 · 21-04-2005 2:26pm

Saint Something wrote:

Yea, it is nice! I can't take credit for it though unfortunatly. Its from a song by John Martyn. Who is just totally amasing!

Yep, I know John well

Desmo · 21-04-2005 3:42pm

Saint Something wrote:

Yea, it is nice! I can't take credit for it though unfortunatly. Its from a song by John Martyn. Who is just totally amasing!

He is indeed; I can remember when the album came out (Solid Air). It still sounds as up to date now as it did then back in 1972 or so. He is playing in Vicar Street on May 9th. He is simply unique and even lives in Kilkenny now.

Desmo

JacoStanley · 21-04-2005 4:28pm

I found that starting off listening to fusion and then on to more trad jazz was the way to go for me. For example, I bought Heavey Weather from Weather Report cause it had Jaco on it. Then you find out that Jaco played with loads of people so you go get there albums. Then you see an album that had someone playing with Jaco and you get it and are introduced to new musicians and then you get all their albums and soon you find out that there's only relatively a small group of these musicians and that they all played together at some point. One album that does stand out is Bright Size Life from Pat Metheny. It has one of the sweetest tunes I've ever heard called MidWestern Nights Dream. I'm still looking for a cd's of Micheal Colombier if anybody could direct me towards them. Just bought some Brecker Brothers yesterday. It's cool.

JacoStanley · 21-04-2005 4:44pm

Just found out that Michel Colombier died last year.

Velvet Vocals · 23-04-2005 3:08pm

JacoStanley wrote:

I found that starting off listening to fusion and then on to more trad jazz was the way to go for me. For example, I bought Heavey Weather from Weather Report cause it had Jaco on it. Then you find out that Jaco played with loads of people so you go get there albums. Then you see an album that had someone playing with Jaco and you get it and are introduced to new musicians and then you get all their albums and soon you find out that there's only relatively a small group of these musicians and that they all played together at some point. One album that does stand out is Bright Size Life from Pat Metheny. It has one of the sweetest tunes I've ever heard called MidWestern Nights Dream. I'm still looking for a cd's of Micheal Colombier if anybody could direct me towards them. Just bought some Brecker Brothers yesterday. It's cool.

I have this amasing DVD of the Joni Mitchell concert "Shadows and Light" live in Santa Monica where she is playing with Jaco and Pat Metheny... it just blows you away. Theres a bit in it where Jaco is on stage on his own and starts playing a riff, samples it with a pedal then plays over it and over it and over it, the crowd is going wild. That guy was a legend!

Velvet Vocals · 23-04-2005 3:13pm

Desmo wrote:

He is indeed; I can remember when the album came out (Solid Air). It still sounds as up to date now as it did then back in 1972 or so. He is playing in Vicar Street on May 9th. He is simply unique and even lives in Kilkenny now.

Desmo

Yea, I have my tickets, I can't wait to see him. I thought that maybe he wasn't going to play anymore coz he seemed to be pretty fu*ked up health wize there for a while. But I think his wife sorted him out. I saw this documentary about him there a while back and he was eating and drinking and smoking him self into an early grave and she was pretty pissed off and kinda said that if he didn't sort it out she was gone. So looks like it worked, hopfully. Just shows you what a good irish woman can do for you

JacoStanley · 23-04-2005 4:04pm

Yeah, Jaco is a legend. I have the Joni Mitchel DVD and now she's someone I listen to. Quite possibly some of the best songs I've ever heard where off her album Hejira and Jaco's playing is so sweet. His choice of harmony is unusual and yet perfect. Some trad jazz players look down on him. Ronan Guilfoyle, for example and from what I've heard, wouldn't ever refer to any of his tecniques in Newpark and fusion is sort of bet out of you. I remember having a drunken jam with a mate of a mate of mine who was learning from Guilfoyle in Newpark. I played some classic Jaco grooves for him. He had forgotten how good they feel to play. These were grooves that he would have played years before me and had left them behind. I suppose it was just a reminder to him as to how exciting the bass can be to play.

Buddhapadge · 23-04-2005 7:06pm

JacoStanley wrote:

. Some trad jazz players look down on him. Ronan Guilfoyle, for example and from what I've heard, wouldn't ever refer to any of his tecniques in Newpark and fusion is sort of bet out of you.

Actually dude, one of the best gigs I ever saw was Ronan's Devsirme band. Unbelievable fusion stuff, kinda like a really hardcore Mahavishnu Orchestra with some really shocking swing bits thrown in for good measure, whenever they get bored of playing in 15/8.

And I have actually heard him refer to Jaco once or twice in classes at Newpark.

JacoStanley · 23-04-2005 9:46pm

I stand corrected then, I'll kill my source. Good to hear though. I heard Ronan play an outdoor gig on Jervis St with Tommy Hafferty and he is pure class. He had his left handed fretless with him. He was counting the tunes in and at first you couldn't tell what type of signature it was until the rest of the band came in. His timing is impecible as is his playing.

Velvet Vocals · 25-04-2005 10:58am

well this is all very exciting for me to hear as hopefully I'll be attending New Park in September, I've applied for the professional musician course there.

In other news, my boyfriend just bought a left-handed fretless bass and it sounds SO good.... I have a photo of it here somewhere, if I find it I'll post it up.

Found it.... we got it in New York about 4 weeks ago

Swarfboy · 25-04-2005 11:22am

Jazz.....
I play a bad version of most Miles tunes.... still love him to bits...Anybody read the Biography...total genius from an early age.....
Top Jazz moments.....
Seeing James Moody in Ronny Scotts..
Seeing Roy Ayers in Ronnies also ... several times....Roys a genius...
Fave records....
"Underground" - thelonious monk
"Home is Where the hatred is" - Esther Philips....Aretha Franklin won a grammy in 1971 for "bridge over troubled waters" and walked from the stage and planted it in front of Esther....praise indeed...
Bitches Brew - especially the John Mcloughlin.....
Also for all you jazz nuts check out the Ealing jazz festival in London..
http://www.ealing.gov.uk/services/ealing+summer/jazz+festival.asp
It's the largest free jazz festival in Europe..... and I've seen amazing performances there.....

JacoStanley · 25-04-2005 11:41am

I was really put of Miles Davis after hearing the album JuJu. I know it was latter in his career but it stinks. Absolutley nothing exciting about it whatsoever. The next time I heard him was on the performance channel. The gig was from 1989 and it was kinda crap aswell. Did he ever face the crowd when he was playing?

Drapper · 25-04-2005 12:16pm

Got the CD and it was fantastic !!

D

Desmo · 25-04-2005 12:34pm

JacoStanley wrote:

I was really put of Miles Davis after hearing the album JuJu. I know it was latter in his career but it stinks. Absolutley nothing exciting about it whatsoever. The next time I heard him was on the performance channel. The gig was from 1989 and it was kinda crap aswell. Did he ever face the crowd when he was playing?

Do you mean Tutu?
That is actually not a bad album but as you say, it is late in his career. That was a few years after his rehabilitation from heroin. During the seventies he went quiet having already produced 2 jazz revolutions and became a junkie. He had already had the most illustrious career in all of jazz behind him. When he reimerged in the 1980s he went for an 80s sound and produced a few albums which were mixed. Compared to his earlier stuff it was so so; compared to most mortals it was still interesting because he had absolutely stellar lineups. His own playing tended to be kind of blurry and squeaky and hard to warm to. I remember listening to Tutu and a couple of earlier albums on full volume at parties at it was actually not bad. Live; he did indeed turn his back on the audiences; he had a reputation for that; earlier in his career he used to walk out on other players solos.

He died a few years after Tutu; he deserved a few weak albums. Some of the ones he made in teh early seventies were actually harder to listen to although I was probably not tuned into what he was doing. Otherwise, he produced half a dozen sheer masterpieces. He rarely played safe.

Des

JacoStanley · 25-04-2005 12:39pm

Your right, TuTu. I can hear where Marcus Miller gets his production style from. A bit samey samey if you know what I mean.

Velvet Vocals · 25-04-2005 1:27pm

Drapper wrote:

Got the CD and it was fantastic !!

D

Great! Glad you liked it!!

Desmo · 25-04-2005 1:56pm

JacoStanley wrote:

Your right, TuTu. I can hear where Marcus Miller gets his production style from. A bit samey samey if you know what I mean.

I agree it is not exactly an all time killer CD; samey samey is a good way of putting it :-).

Des

Buddhapadge · 25-04-2005 3:15pm

Saint Something wrote:

well this is all very exciting for me to hear as hopefully I'll be attending New Park in September, I've applied for the professional musician course there.

In other news, my boyfriend just bought a left-handed fretless bass and it sounds SO good.... I have a photo of it here somewhere, if I find it I'll post it up.

Found it.... we got it in New York about 4 weeks ago

Your boyfriend's bass is nice!

Velvet Vocals · 25-04-2005 3:43pm

Buddhapadge wrote:

Your boyfriend's bass is nice!

it sure is

transperson · 25-04-2005 6:33pm

Saint Something,

this is way cool, can i get a cd?

been meaning to purchace some nice jazz and blues with a while, and this is a great oppurtunity to getta hold a some!

Fusion251 · 26-04-2005 12:39am

JacoStanley wrote:

Ronan Guilfoyle, for example and from what I've heard, wouldn't ever refer to any of his tecniques in Newpark and fusion is sort of bet out of you. I remember having a drunken jam with a mate of a mate of mine who was learning from Guilfoyle in Newpark. I played some classic Jaco grooves for him. He had forgotten how good they feel to play. These were grooves that he would have played years before me and had left them behind. I suppose it was just a reminder to him as to how exciting the bass can be to play.

Man that's rubbish, I've been in Newpark for almost 3 years and Ronan does nothing of the sort. I mean you say he's a jazz traditionalist therefore you havn't heard any of his music or had a chance to read his book on metric modulation. It's not on to be dropping names on this site.

Fusion

JacoStanley · 26-04-2005 7:54am

JacoStanley wrote:

I stand corrected then,

Like I said

JacoStanley · 26-04-2005 7:55am

I'll make sure I won't drop Ronan's name on this jazz site again.

Velvet Vocals · 27-04-2005 11:37am

transperson wrote:

Saint Something,

this is way cool, can i get a cd?
been meaning to purchace some nice jazz and blues with a while, and this is a great oppurtunity to getta hold a some!

You sure can, just pm me with your details and I'll mail one out to you.

Fusion251 · 27-04-2005 12:43pm

JacoStanley wrote:

I'll make sure I won't drop Ronan's name on this jazz site again.

Don't get smart you know what I mean.

JacoStanley · 27-04-2005 12:55pm

I don't know what you mean. I was talking about something which led on yer man Guilfoyle. Good luck with the NewPark course though. Or whatever you have left to go.

Armen Tanzarian · 27-04-2005 7:41pm

Fusion251 wrote:

Yes I mean you!! All you boards people!

There's a lack of posting in the Jazz forum and I don't think it's right tbh.

Why don't people listen to Jazz as much as other styles of music?

Are there any non-jazzers out there willing to take the Jazz test?

Listen to Jazz for a full week and give a verdict?

The artists to listen to could be posted by the regular Jazz threaders.

Whaddya think?

Ive always liked jazz, probably being dragged to the Cork jazz festival when I was a kid. Anyway Ive been listening to some John Coltrane, Miles Davis ect.
Im going to go through a few of the other artists mentioned in the thread.
Also has anyone heard of Seamus Blake he plays tenor sax mainly, He used to play with Charlie Mingus?

Cheers

Listen to Jazz! It's good! Who wants to take the Jazz test?

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