2020 Executive Officer Civil Service

GooglePlus · 24-07-2020 9:51am

Mike Foxtrot wrote: »

DEASP put up a video for Executive Officer campaign.

https://youtu.be/ULRh_QC3IN8

Jesus, that's a tough watch.

A 3-4 minute visual video would have hit the spot nicely, they've obviously time to kill.

jaffa20 · 24-07-2020 10:35am

Does it matter whether you put Dublin as 1st or 2nd choice? Dublin would be my 2nd choice but it's probably unrealistic that there would be many positions in commuter towns.

Happy4 · 24-07-2020 11:02am

Would anyone know what 2 counties outside Dublin (apart from Kildare) would have the best chance of roles coming up?

St. Pat · 24-07-2020 11:42am

thecom1993 wrote: »

How strict are they with the Leaving Cert results? I'm three years in the Civil service as a CO. It says I need three higher level subjects but only have two.

You should qualify through the interdepartmental stream

job seeker · 24-07-2020 12:07pm

jaffa20 wrote: »

Does it matter whether you put Dublin as 1st or 2nd choice? Dublin would be my 2nd choice but it's probably unrealistic that there would be many positions in commuter towns.

As far as I can tell, it doesn’t make a difference. I’m assuming that if you picked Dublin as your 2nd choice and you were called for that first you take that.. I’m open to correction..

tgdaly · 24-07-2020 12:08pm

Best of luck to everyone with this campaign, I was lucky enough to be placed last November from the previous campaign, but from the previous thread I can see that some people from other counties placed higher than me didn't even get to interview. Sometimes it's just a bit of a lottery so just do your best and hopefully ye get a bit of a rub of the green

job seeker · 24-07-2020 12:32pm

tgdaly wrote: »

Best of luck to everyone with this campaign, I was lucky enough to be placed last November from the previous campaign, but from the previous thread I can see that some people from other counties placed higher than me didn't even get to interview. Sometimes it's just a bit of a lottery so just do your best and hopefully ye get a bit of a rub of the green

Can I ask what county you applied for?

tgdaly · 24-07-2020 12:51pm

job seeker wrote: »

Can I ask what county you applied for?

I had Kildare first and Offaly 2nd. Ended up getting Kildare

Gizle · 24-07-2020 12:52pm

On the PDF form it doesn't seem to have a section B??? I can see two section A. Anyone else having this problem? Also would the Level 6 and 2 years as Clerical Officer role be deemed enough to apply??

Merrymac · 24-07-2020 1:00pm

Hi Could someone please clarify if existing CO's applying for the 2020 Interdepartmental Comp Promotion to EO Civil Service need to have 2 years service completed at application date

November Golf · 24-07-2020 1:13pm

Merrymac wrote: »

Hi Could someone please clarify if existing CO's applying for the 2020 Interdepartmental Comp Promotion to EO Civil Service need to have 2 years service completed at application date

By the 6th August. its on pg. 2 of the Information Booklet.

Candidates must, on or before 6th August 2020:
...

or

(vi) be serving as a Civil Servant with at least two years’ service and have obtained at least five
subjects in the Established Leaving Certificate Examination (including Mathematics and Irish
or English), three of which should be minimum Grade C (or post 2017 Leaving Certificate H4
grade) at Higher level, the others should be at a minimum Grade D (or post 2017 Leaving
Certificate O6 grade) at Ordinary level; or have passed an examination(s) which would be
acceptable to the Public Appointments Service as being of at least an equivalent standard to
the Established Leaving Certificate.

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job seeker · 24-07-2020 1:39pm

tgdaly wrote: »

I had Kildare first and Offaly 2nd. Ended up getting Kildare

Thank you! I usually end up with a high enough oom in these competitions. So my current strategy of picking local counties hasn’t worked. Therefore I’m looking at counties with higher recruitment.. I don’t know if this will work. But it’s worth a try..

Samuel T. Cogley · 24-07-2020 2:06pm

Biggest single tip I can think of is it is expected for you to refer very complicated / sensitive things to your manager at this grade. Keep in mind during the tests.

keanocar · 24-07-2020 2:17pm

chillmad wrote: »

Be aware that if you are currently on an EO salary, that you may go back to the start of the scale by applying again through an Open competition.
Are you eligible for mobility?

No, I only started recently so not eligible for mobility

Gus Ivey · 24-07-2020 2:53pm

Damn

Am I correct in sating you need to have worked in the civil service for at least 2 years to be eligible to apply???

FarmerBob · 24-07-2020 2:56pm

Great to see these roles for competition just after the covid mess..best of luck to those applying.

doc22 · 24-07-2020 2:56pm

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

Biggest single tip I can think of is it is expected for you to refer very complicated / sensitive things to your manager at this grade. Keep in mind during the tests.

Not trying to smart but at what grade would you not be expected to refer these to Management:pac:

doc22 · 24-07-2020 2:57pm

There no interdepartmental circular yet regarding promotion rules etc, Only open panel booklet yet

bobbysands81 · 24-07-2020 3:02pm

doc22 wrote: »

Cork and Limerick at a guess

Kildare as well I’d say.

Big hub of CS jobs also around the midlands.

jaffa20 · 24-07-2020 3:03pm

Gus Ivey wrote: »

Damn

Am I correct in sating you need to have worked in the civil service for at least 2 years to be eligible to apply???

No, not for the open stream.

'To be eligible for the Interdepartmental stream you need to be a currently working as a civil servant for two years by the closing date for application. To be eligible for the open stream you must have certain qualifications which are detailed in the information booklet.'

Strazdas · 24-07-2020 3:23pm

Gillouise wrote: »

Taken from application form:

Have obtained in the Established Leaving Certificate Examination a minimum of Grade D (or post
2017 Leaving Certificate O6 grade) at Ordinary Level in Mathematics and Irish or English, having obtained a minimum or Grade C (or post 2017 Leaving Certificate H4 grade) in at least FIVE
subjects at Higher level: or hold a qualification in the opinion of the Public Appointment Service, is of a standard in terms of both level and volume of learning that is of at least an equivalent or higher standard

Like Mike said it's worth it to email them

Well Level 6 is considered a higher level than the Leaving Cert (known as a Higher Certificate I think), so I wonder if they are eligible, never mind the Level 7s.

Samuel T. Cogley · 24-07-2020 3:48pm

doc22 wrote: »

Not trying to smart but at what grade would you not be expected to refer these to Management:pac:

AP or PO. At a senior level would be expected to have a high degree of autonomy. The point I'm making is it's very easy to do poorly in an EO application by not knowing when to ask for help and selecting the option of trying to fix it yourself in the assessments.

doc22 · 24-07-2020 4:02pm

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

AP or PO. At a senior level would be expected to have a high degree of autonomy. The point I'm making is it's very easy to do poorly in an EO application by not knowing when to ask for help and selecting the option of trying to fix it yourself in the assessments.

It's all very subjective.

Kamu · 24-07-2020 4:38pm

moonlight06 wrote: »

Does anyone know if i completed 2 years of a level 8 a few years back, can I apply on this, even though I never finished the level 8? Have 4 honours in leaving so don't meet required 5. And never did any other course. Don't want to apply if not meeting requirements.

(iii) have completed and passed all examinations in Year 1 of a three or four-year programme
leading to a minimum Level 7 qualification on the National Framework of Qualifications;

From the information booklet.

24-07-2020 5:10pm

Doing the First PDF Forum, what is candidate id

Furious-Red · 24-07-2020 5:12pm

Brooks Incalculable Blackboard wrote: »

Doing the First PDF Forum, what is candidate id

If you open the online form(part 2) it should have your ID in that

GooglePlus · 24-07-2020 5:35pm

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

AP or PO. At a senior level would be expected to have a high degree of autonomy. The point I'm making is it's very easy to do poorly in an EO application by not knowing when to ask for help and selecting the option of trying to fix it yourself in the assessments.

I would've thought I had this down and ended up doing terribly in the first assessment so I 100% agree with this.

I passed by the skin of my teeth and now an EO but DO NOT underestimate the first assessment. Take your time in a quiet environment and think everything through.

AngryLips · 24-07-2020 5:53pm

Brooks Incalculable Blackboard wrote: »

Doing the First PDF Forum, what is candidate id

It's your unique ID number for the login you create on public jobs. When you log in you'll see it.

24-07-2020 6:03pm

AngryLips wrote: »

It's your unique ID number for the login you create on public jobs. When you log in you'll see it.

Thanks

Just one more query - reason for leaving job? im a clerical officer at moment, would career progression be a reasonable answer - not exactly looking to leave it

Samuel T. Cogley · 24-07-2020 6:07pm

Brooks Incalculable Blackboard wrote: »

Thanks

Just one more query - reason for leaving job? im a clerical officer at moment, would career progression be a reasonable answer - not exactly looking to leave it

Very much so.

Strazdas · 24-07-2020 6:14pm

Kamu wrote: »

(iii) have completed and passed all examinations in Year 1 of a three or four-year programme
leading to a minimum Level 7 qualification on the National Framework of Qualifications;

From the information booklet.

It's odd that they don't reference Level 6. A person who has successfully completed Level 6 would be ahead of anyone who has completed the first year of a Level 7 course.

AngryLips · 24-07-2020 7:03pm

Brooks Incalculable Blackboard wrote: »

Thanks

Just one more query - reason for leaving job? im a clerical officer at moment, would career progression be a reasonable answer - not exactly looking to leave it

Well I put n/a for my current job. But in retrospect maybe I should have given a reason even though I technically haven't left yet haha

dfx- · 24-07-2020 7:15pm

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

AP or PO. At a senior level would be expected to have a high degree of autonomy. The point I'm making is it's very easy to do poorly in an EO application by not knowing when to ask for help and selecting the option of trying to fix it yourself in the assessments.

It's my experience for research, industry and state jobs with a PhD with multi-stage interviews and tests is that for any Civil Service position everything before the interview is easy enough and then the interview itself is absurdly difficult.

TheJet · 24-07-2020 7:31pm

Gizle wrote: »

On the PDF form it doesn't seem to have a section B??? I can see two section A. Anyone else having this problem? Also would the Level 6 and 2 years as Clerical Officer role be deemed enough to apply??

My form doesn't have Section B either. Section A is employment record and Section C is Supplementary Information.

SusieBlue · 24-07-2020 7:47pm

TheJet wrote: »

My form doesn't have Section B either. Section A is employment record and Section C is Supplementary Information.

Mine was the same, I clicked submit because I didn’t know what else to do.

Do they ask for proof of leaving cert/other qualifications at the interview, does anyone know?

24-07-2020 7:47pm

TheJet wrote: »

My form doesn't have Section B either. Section A is employment record and Section C is Supplementary Information.

All i did was the one with your educational and employment background and the online application form with your name/address etc...it was an ordeal to upload it

24-07-2020 7:47pm

SusieBlue wrote: »

Mine was the same, I clicked submit because I didn’t know what else to do.

Do they ask for proof of leaving cert/other qualifications at the interview, does anyone know?

when i did the c/o i had all results of leaving cert and every college year i did...didnt even come up

Furious-Red · 24-07-2020 8:56pm

SusieBlue wrote: »

Mine was the same, I clicked submit because I didn’t know what else to do.

Do they ask for proof of leaving cert/other qualifications at the interview, does anyone know?

I think section 2 was online form thing, well thats what i thought anyways

Kamu · 24-07-2020 9:31pm

Strazdas wrote: »

It's odd that they don't reference Level 6. A person who has successfully completed Level 6 would be ahead of anyone who has completed the first year of a Level 7 course.

I think perhaps the (iv) section covers that, considering a level 6 would be above Leaving Cert on the NFQ.

mayo londoner · 24-07-2020 9:33pm

Would the likes of a fire marshal course or a Safe Pass count as an academic/professional/technical qualification on the form?

Samuel T. Cogley · 24-07-2020 9:34pm

dfx- wrote: »

It's my experience for research, industry and state jobs with a PhD with multi-stage interviews and tests is that for any Civil Service position everything before the interview is easy enough and then the interview itself is absurdly difficult.

Not my experience when I went for EO. I placed very low on the tests and then ended up top 15 in my batch after the 2nd stage tests. The interview turned out to be the easiest part as everything to that point was prepping you for the competencies.

enfant terrible · 24-07-2020 9:49pm

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

Not my experience when I went for EO. I placed very low on the tests and then ended up top 15 in my batch after the 2nd stage tests. The interview turned out to be the easiest part as everything to that point was prepping you for the competencies.

Can you use a calculator for all the tests?

ThePears1 · 24-07-2020 9:56pm

What is the recruitment process like for EO's generally as opposed to CO's?

Read the recruitment information booklet but couldn't find much

24-07-2020 9:59pm

https://www.publicjobs.ie/en/information-hub/our-recruitment-process/test-advice

Sample tests here down the bottom if anyone wants to practice

Rikand · 24-07-2020 10:12pm

mayo londoner wrote: »

Would the likes of a fire marshal course or a Safe Pass count as an academic/professional/technical qualification on the form?

Everything counts. I would give it all. I'm writing down everything myself

Rikand · 24-07-2020 10:13pm

enfant terrible wrote: »

Can you use a calculator for all the tests?

As long as I'm not mixing up the panels, they provide you with one

Kamu · 24-07-2020 10:14pm

Rikand wrote: »

As long as I'm not mixing up the panels, they provide you with one

In person tests you are supplied with a calculator.

Turtyturd · 24-07-2020 10:49pm

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

Not my experience when I went for EO. I placed very low on the tests and then ended up top 15 in my batch after the 2nd stage tests. The interview turned out to be the easiest part as everything to that point was prepping you for the competencies.

In my experience the first interview you do in the Civil Service can be a bit daunting, although no more so than any other interview. Once you have experience of the format you are pretty much reciting your application form and it’s straightforward.

anplaya27 · 24-07-2020 11:08pm

Most boring job ever. I used to be one. Totally soul destroying desk job. Takes a certain kind of person imo to do it , didnt suit me tbh.

Jay328 · 24-07-2020 11:19pm

Hi just noticed this competition now. Had quick look at the application form what do you put in section B "relevant information" or can you leave this empty?

Also it says you shouldn't leave any gaps in employment like unemployment. Do you have to mention anytime you have been unemployed between jobs?

2020 Executive Officer Civil Service

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