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Why become Vegetarion??

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  • 13-08-2005 6:49pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 8,676 ✭✭✭


    Hi

    I was just wondering why ppl who are vegetarions on here or vegans would do this is it soley to do with killing animals and the in human way animals are treated or wot.


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    From the age of 5, as soon as I noticed that it wasn't a coincidence that the names of certain types of meat were the same as certain animals, I became a vegetarian. Didn't like the taste either.

    The main reason then was that I didn't like animals being killed etc. But that's probably because I was a very young child.

    The main reason I still stick with it now is because i've never tasted red meat, so if I'm not eating most meat, then I might as well not eat meat at all, if that makes sense.

    Same reason I don't drink either.

    Maybe I need to live a little. :rolleyes:


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,082 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    edit: ther is a book too http://www.vivavegie.org/vv101/101reas98.html

    Hmm....

    The Environment

    Conservation of Fossil fuel. It takes 78 calories of fossil fuel to produce 1 calorie of beef protein; 35 calories for 1 calorie of pork; 22 calories for 1 of poultry; but just 1 calorie of fossil fuel for 1 calorie of soybeans. By eating plant foods instead of animal foods, I help conserve our non-renewable sources of energy.

    Water Conservation. It takes 3 to 15 times as much water to produce animal protein as it does plant protein. As a vegetarian I contribute to water conservation.

    Efficient use of grains. It takes up to 16 pounds of soybeans and grains to produce 1 lb. of beef and 3 to 6 lbs. to produce 1 lb of turkey & egg. By eating grain foods directly, I make the food supply more efficient & that contributes to the environment.

    Soil conservation. When grains & legumes are used more efficiently, our precious topsoil is automatically made more efficient in its use. We use less agricultural resources to provide for the same number of people.

    Saving our forests. Tropical forests in Brazil and other tropic regions are destroyed daily, in part, to create more acreage to raise livestock. By not supporting the meat industry, I directly reduce the demand to pillage these irreplaceable treasures of nature. Since the forest land "filters" our air supply and contains botanical sources for new medicines, this destruction is irreversable.

    Asthetics. Decaying animal parts, whether in a freezer case or served in restaurants, can never be as asthetically pleasing to the senses as the same foods made from wholesome vegetable sources. Only habit can allow one not to perceive this: a change in diet makes this self evident.



    Personal Health
    No deficiencies. There is no nutrient necessary for optimal human functioning which cannot be obtained from plant food.

    High fat plus cholesterol. Animal foods are higher in fat than most plant foods, particularly saturated fats. Plants do not contain cholesterol.

    "Carb" deficient. Meat is deficient in carbohydrates, particularly the starches which are so essential to proper health.

    Vitamin deficient. Except for the b-complex, meat is largely deficient in vitamins.

    Agricultural Chemicals. Being higher on the food chain, animal foods contain far higher concentrations of agricultural chemicals than plant foods, including pesticides, herbicides, etc.

    Exposure to livestock drugs. There are over 20,000 different drugs, including sterols, antibiotics, growth hormones and other veterinary drugs that are given to livestock animals. These drugs are consumed when animal foods are consumed. The dangers herein, in secondary consumption of antibiotics, are well documented.

    Pathogenic Microorganisms. There are a host of bacteria and viruses, some quite dangerous, that are common to animals. When I eat meat, I eat the organisms in the meat. Micro-organisms are present in plant foods too, but their number and danger to human health is by no means comparable to that of those in meat.

    Worms and other Parasites. Ditto on # 13!

    Shelf life differential. Plant foods last longer than animal foods. Try this experiment: Leave out a head of lettuce and a pound of hamburger for 1 day, which will make you sick?

    Organoleptic Indications of Pathenogens. Plant foods give tell-tale signs of "going bad". Ever hear of someone getting sick from "bad broccoli"?

    Heart Disease. Meat eating increases the risk of heart disease, this country's #1 killer. The correlation is an epidemiological fact.

    Cancer prevention. Of all the natural cancer prevention substances found: vitamin C, B-17, hydroquionenes, beta carotene, NDGA, - none has been found to be animal derived. Yet most meats, when cooked, produce an array of benzenes and other carcinogenic compounds. Cancer is infinitely easier to prevent than cure. Soybeans contain protease inhibitor, a powerful anticancer compound. You won't find it in useful quantities in animal based food.

    Disease Inducing. The correlation between meat consumption and a wide range of degenerative diseases is well founded and includes.....

    Osteoporosis

    Kidney Stones and Gallstones

    Diabetes

    Multiple Sclerosis

    Arthritis

    Gum disease

    Acne. Aggravated by animal food.

    Obesity. Studies confirm that vegetarians tend to be thinner than meat eaters. Obesity is considered by doctors to be a disease within itself.

    Intestinal Toxemia. The condition of the intestinal flora is critical to overall health. Animal products putrefy the colon.

    Transit time. Wholesome food travels quickly through the "G.I" tract, leaving little time to spoil and incite disease within the body.

    Fiber deficient. Fiber absorbs unwanted, excess fats; cleans the intestines; provides bulk and aids in peristalsis. Plant food is high in fiber content; meat, poultry and dairy products have none.

    Body wastes. Food from animals contain their waste, including adrenaline, uric and lactic acid, etc., Before adding ketchup, the biggest contributors to the "flavor profile" of a hamburger are the leftover blood and urine.

    Excess protein. The average American eats 400% of the RDA for protein. This causes excess nitrogen in the blood that creates a host of long-term health problems.

    Longevity. To increase ones risk of getting degenerative disease means decreasing ones chance to live a naturally long healthy life. Huzas and other peoples with large centenarian populations maintain lifestyles that are relatively meat free.

    Well Being. I just feel better since "giving up" meat and becoming vegetarian.



    Personal Finances
    Health care costs. Being healthier on a vegetarian diet means spending less on health care.

    Food costs. Vegetarian foods tend to cost less than meat based items.



    Ethics
    Love of animals. I love animals as I love myself. I have no desire to kill them or cause them harm.

    Stance against Factory Farming.. I cannot make a statement against factory farming if I myself eat animals.

    Respect for Sentient Life. I show gratitude to my Creator(s?) by eating as low on the food chain as possible.

    "Economic Vote". I show support of the meat industry and the way they operate when I purchase and use their products.

    Small sacrifice The sacrifice I make is nothing compared to the animals, its life.

    Natural diet. Our hands, teeth, feet, intestinal tract...even our body chemistry is that of an herbivore.

    Reciprocity. If I partake in the slaughter of animals, I will have to repay my contribution to that act.

    "Protecting the Temple". "Whatever affects the body has a corresponding effect on the mind and soul" (E.G. White)

    I believe in nonviolence. Slaughter isn't.

    World Peace. There can never be peace among men while men are declaring war on other highly developed life forms.

    Clear conscience. I know what I'm doing is right. I feel good inside about my decision to remain "meatless"

    Example. To live this way is to protect the underlying values of those around me.

    Easy substitutes. There are vegetable based substitutes for every meat product imaginable.


    there are many many more :P

    i became one for the most part due to ethics and the other points are quite nice too,its helping to stop world hunger! and more importantly it costs less ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,422 ✭✭✭embraer170


    Never liked the taste of meat ... along came the '93 mad cow outbreak so I stopped eating beef (I was 8 at the time) found I could live fine without so over the next few years stopped eating other meats too. Now a lacto vegetarian.

    Taste/health/don't like the idea of animals being killed for food.


  • Registered Users Posts: 593 ✭✭✭Cathy


    For me, it's partly for moral reasons, but it's also for health reasons.
    I don't see the need to eat meat when there are viable alternatives.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,676 ✭✭✭Chong


    Heck tar that was a bit long. In regards to yourself Aristotle , I aint trying to be an ignorant tit but I know vegans have very strong morals in regards to the killing of animals but meat is possibly one of the nicest things to eat. I speak from the stand point of chef, I was once a chef for 3 years and vegans are the most people to cater for in the restaurant. Do you find when you go out to restaurants hard to get something actually enjoyable to eat, because all we used to throw up to vegans was salad, nut loaf or vegetarian lasgane.


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Willem D wrote:
    Do you find when you go out to restaurants hard to get something actually enjoyable to eat, because all we used to throw up to vegans was salad, nut loaf or vegetarian lasgane.


    Oh God yes! I don't go to restaurants a lot because of that fact! :(


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,676 ✭✭✭Chong


    Personally vegetarian lasagne can be very enjoyable if it is done with nice fresh ingredients, where as nut loaf is vile. Please also tell me you dont eat Tofu I dont think I have ever had something more horrible, although the silken stuff is alright in desserts for example orange and chocolate mousse .


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,082 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    Willem D wrote:
    but meat is possibly one of the nicest things to eat.
    i think it is by far the most delicious food in the world and love every single type of meat.
    i hate nearly every food apart from meat so it was quite the daunting task.


    as you mention the restaurant thing,there are of course vegetarian restaurants and there is a non meat version(like quorn) for nearly every meat there is,for those that find meat difficult to give up.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,336 ✭✭✭Bluehair


    Willem D wrote:
    Heck tar that was a bit long.

    I must admit I found it very interesting, as a potential veggie 'on the fence' at the moment it's certainly food for thought. Thanks Tar.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,336 ✭✭✭Bluehair


    i think it is by far the most delicious food in the world and love every single type of meat.
    i hate nearly every food apart from meat so it was quite the daunting task.

    Hold the front page! :D Now seeing your own background I'd be facinated to know what eventually pushed you to commit to it. Was it difficult? Any lapses? Were did you find proper diet info?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,303 ✭✭✭THEZAPPA


    thanks tar that was really big!

    i do hate veg and i used to eat loads of meat then one day i just stopped liking it so i became vege,its till hard it find a food i like so i lost some weight but i am now starting to like vegetables!

    so i love vegetables now but certain ones im not sure,my food range is limited!


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,422 ✭✭✭embraer170


    Do you find when you go out to restaurants hard to get something actually enjoyable to eat, because all we used to throw up to vegans was salad, nut loaf or vegetarian lasgane.

    That's laziness on you/the restaurant's part.

    If you want an effort there are some exceptionally good vegetarian dishes out there.

    Of course if you're lazy all you'll do is a few vegetables and some salad (reminds me of a wedding I was at recently, a Michelin Star restaurant but lazy chefs)


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Willem D wrote:
    Personally vegetarian lasagne can be very enjoyable if it is done with nice fresh ingredients, where as nut loaf is vile. Please also tell me you dont eat Tofu I dont think I have ever had something more horrible, although the silken stuff is alright in desserts for example orange and chocolate mousse .


    I agree with everything you said there:


    Vegetarian lasagne: pretty good.

    Nut loaf: tasted once: threw up.

    Tofu: also hate it, but continued eating it for a while; eventually the taste got to me.

    Mousse: excellent. Thank God being a Vegetarian doesn't affect your dessert! :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,676 ✭✭✭Chong


    Quorn is next worse thing behind tofu , ahhhh tvp yeuch.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,303 ✭✭✭THEZAPPA


    im not a big fan of quorn,a bit mushy!


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Oh and in relation to restaraunts, if the restaurant serves cheese pizza, that is always what I will choose to eat, with a side plate of chips. If not, it will be pasta.

    That's the usual anyway.Sometimes I might go a bit wild and have croqeuttes! :eek: ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,422 ✭✭✭embraer170


    I absolutely love tofu.
    Fry it with some cheese on the top (a nice cheese, not the cheapest one you can find). Delicious and cheap.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    embraer170 wrote:
    I absolutely love tofu.
    Fry it with some cheese on the top (a nice cheese, not the cheapest one you can find). Delicious and cheap.


    Nver thought about that. Might give it a go. :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 593 ✭✭✭Cathy


    The cheese on your pizza is not necessarily vegetarian-friendly, though. You need to be careful.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,676 ✭✭✭Chong


    I remember when I was in Culinary college we had a class in vegetarism and we made aubergine, pepper and tofu stacks and they were bloody awful.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,422 ✭✭✭embraer170


    Another good tofu idea.
    Dip it in some soy sauce and then fry it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 593 ✭✭✭Cathy


    Willem D wrote:
    I remember when I was in Culinary college we had a class in vegetarism and we made aubergine, pepper and tofu stacks and they were bloody awful.

    That sounds quite nice, actually...


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,422 ✭✭✭embraer170


    That sounds quite nice, actually...

    I was thinking the same.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Cathy wrote:
    The cheese on your pizza is not necessarily vegetarian-friendly, though. You need to be careful.


    Yeah I know. I usually eat at the same restaurants so by now I know what cheese I can eat or cannot eat in these restaurants.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    embraer170 wrote:
    I was thinking the same.

    I most definitely wasn't!!!!! :eek:


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,082 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    Bluehair wrote:
    Hold the front page! :D Now seeing your own background I'd be facinated to know what eventually pushed you to commit to it. Was it difficult? Any lapses? Were did you find proper diet info?
    what pushed me to commit to it was that i was (in my mind) not a child any more and i am very against certain things ;) so i decided to buy my own food and ofc i got some help from vegetarian friends!!

    yes it was very difficult for me as i basically like no foods !
    i am very slowly turning to a more and more healthy diet until perfection is reached.as a test for myself i gave up small non meat things that i loved at first to check my resolve,salt butter,coke etc.it worked out fine.then the meat thing came along and it was the most difficult thing i have ever done but some handle it quite easily.


    no lapses ahem woo ! infact it sickens me now the thought of it,funny how we change!

    and as for proper diet info,there is the pamplets in various health places (i got the irish health board vegetarian diet pamphlet) there is also google! there is feckin loads of fantastic sites!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,336 ✭✭✭Bluehair


    and as for proper diet info,there is the pamplets in various health places (i got the irish health board vegetarian diet pamphlet) there is also google! there is feckin loads of fantastic sites!!

    Thanks for the response Tar I find your own case so interesting since it seems to parallel mine so much. I must admit to enjoying salt, butter and even coke in amounts that couldn't be good for me too.

    Can you (and anyone else) point me towards what you consider to be genuinely good sites for aspiring vegetarians, you know with diet plans, recipes, faqs, etc. etc.

    Google can be great but I seem to find an awful lot of commercial rubbish when I seach for this topic and nothing of the 'enthusiast' kind of sites I'm hoping for.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,082 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    http://www.vegsoc.org/ and the like are for beginners,honestly most sites you find have very good info but look at ones that are not specifially for vegetarians too,ie health sites.thes are guranteed not to be biased in favour of vegetarians and still give similar info.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,082 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion




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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,336 ✭✭✭Bluehair


    Thanks for those, vegsoc def seems to be a great intro.

    If i decide to make the change I might even do a mini-blog on here and keep you updated on my progress :)


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