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Observations of Glastonbury 2019

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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,777 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    blinding wrote: »
    The crowds are Very White and Middle / Upper Class . Don’t tickets cost £275 . Is this too keep the rif-raf out .

    All seems slightly Racist really .

    Bollix. There wasn't too many black people at Slane this year...So Slane/Metallica are racist? I've been to a few gigs in the Olympia and The Academy and there wasn't too many black people there. Tickets were affordable sooooo....Racist?

    To the comment about young people listening to rubbish music nowadays I give you Lewis Capaldi. I rest my case.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,980 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    rireland wrote: »
    I'm not even 30 but all young people seem to listen to rap music nowadays. There seems to be a new kid on the block every month now. Big Shaq, Stormzy, Santana Dave, XXtencation, lil pump, meek mill, nas, j cole.

    It's all a load of blibberish to me.
    These kids these days with their hippity hoppity and their Windzy or Stormzy and Jay-Zeds.......

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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭topper75


    phutyle wrote: »
    Funny, because the last time I was there, we got chatting to a group of black lads at the Wise Crone café. They asked us where we were from. When we said Ireland, one of them replied "I'd never go to Ireland, there's no black people there."

    Now if anybody wants to call that guy racist, you would actually be using the word correctly. He believes his race to be superior to the point where he actively chooses to avoid mixing with other races. That's how it's done folks.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,980 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    topper75 wrote: »
    Now if anybody wants to call that guy racist, you would actually be using the word correctly. He believes his race to be superior to the point where he actively chooses to avoid mixing with other races. That's how it's done folks.

    Or he (maybe) incorrectly felt that he would not be welcome as he is under the mistaken belief that there are no black people in Ireland.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    topper75 wrote: »
    Now if anybody wants to call that guy racist, you would actually be using the word correctly. He believes his race to be superior to the point where he actively chooses to avoid mixing with other races. That's how it's done folks.
    Sounds a bit like he is from some Black Klan .:eek:


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 90 ✭✭rireland


    Does there be much ridin going on at these?


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,925 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    topper75 wrote: »
    Now if anybody wants to call that guy racist, you would actually be using the word correctly. He believes his race to be superior to the point where he actively chooses to avoid mixing with other races. That's how it's done folks.

    The black guys were with a group of white guys, he wasn't avoiding any races. The guy in question was the one who struck up friendly conversation with us. They were all from Bristol if I remember correctly. He mistakenly thought that Ireland was a pure-white and unwelcoming to black people as blinding thinks Glasonbury is. Ignorant for sure, but hardly racist in itself. He'd never (knowingly) met an Irish person before - I might as well have been North Korean to him. Ireland was just some foreign country that he knew nothing about.


  • Registered Users Posts: 452 ✭✭Boxing.Fan


    The technical term being "a hoor's shower".

    We call it a Ballymun shower.


  • Registered Users Posts: 452 ✭✭Boxing.Fan




    One of the highlights of the weekend.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,980 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    So to move on from the race trolling from people who have never been there and to get back to the OP's post. It's family friendly in that it's not Oxegen and you do see many people with their kids. Personally I don't like that. Just because you CAN drag your kid around until the wee hours safely doesn't mean you should.
    It is quite sad to see so many bone-tired kids being pulled around in carts who are bored and tired and just want to be home. Not in a tent but home.
    It is safe: Put it this way, in other festivals I have been to in Ireland you are not allowed bring in deodorant spray 'cos little sh*tebags were using them as flame throwers and setting fire to tents. At Glasto, if the weather is cold, you could go up to little sheds and get bags of wood for a camp-fire (I didn't see them this year but of course not needed)
    The focus is on the music and arts and not so much on getting absolutely hammered 2 days after your leaving cert. There are other festivals for that. You can and probably will get hammered at some stage but that's not the goal.
    It is hippie but in the best sense in that they tolerate all and do not preach (Apart from the preaching areas :D ). I mean every second food stand is vegan/vegetarian but they are not vegan/vegetarian fascists about it.
    There are drugs there of course and smoking grass is quite in-your-face so if you have a problem there it may not be the place for you (Personally I have no problem).

    It's not utopia: When the weather is bad it's REALLY a tough slog. You are going to go 4 days (at least) without a shower. Your first time is VERY tough (I think EVERYONE at some stage during their first time thinks: "I'm done. If I could go home now, I would" Especially if the weather is bad. But you get over it). It is expensive. Especially the first time if you have to buy everything. Factor in about 1K. That would cover everything from ticket to transport, camping gear, booze, food, exchange rate. Everything.

    But once you go, it's hard to not go again....


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭topper75


    phutyle wrote: »
    The black guys were with a group of white guys, he wasn't avoiding any races. The guy in question was the one who struck up friendly conversation with us. They were all from Bristol if I remember correctly. He mistakenly thought that Ireland was a pure-white and unwelcoming to black people as blinding thinks Glasonbury is. Ignorant for sure, but hardly racist in itself. He'd never (knowingly) met an Irish person before - I might as well have been North Korean to him. Ireland was just some foreign country that he knew nothing about.

    OK - you were there so you have the edge on me in interpreting intent, but his reason for not coming here was a racialist one, if you are reporting accurately. I for one am amused, in the context of how lightly the accusation of same ("racist") has been thrown around in this particular forum on a regular basis when it is not warranted at all. This is most often done by aspiring middle class Irish who ape middle class people in other nations that may have some justified guilt.


  • Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Do they still finger aul ones at these gigs? Like back in the day

    Exclusively.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,925 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    topper75 wrote: »
    OK - you were there so you have the edge on me in interpreting intent, but his reason for not coming here was a racialist one, if you are reporting accurately. I for one am amused, in the context of how lightly the accusation of same ("racist") has been thrown around in this particular forum on a regular basis when it is not warranted at all. This is most often done by aspiring middle class Irish who ape middle class people in other nations that may have some justified guilt.

    You obviously have your agenda, and seem pretty intent on finding a racist black guy to somehow nullify accusations of racism against white guys, and I'm sure they're out there somewhere. But this isn't your guy by any definition or misdefinition. Good luck in your search.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,707 ✭✭✭Bobblehats


    Back on track. I found them very approaching and always good for a khat


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,896 ✭✭✭sabat


    mfceiling wrote: »
    Bollix. There wasn't too many black people at Slane this year...So Slane/Metallica are racist? I've been to a few gigs in the Olympia and The Academy and there wasn't too many black people there. Tickets were affordable sooooo....Racist?

    At Public Enemy, De La Soul and Wu Tang in the 3 Arena a couple of months ago there was about a dozen black people out of several thousand...


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,777 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    sabat wrote: »
    At Public Enemy, De La Soul and Wu Tang in the 3 Arena a couple of months ago there was about a dozen black people out of several thousand...

    Hmmm...Are the aforementioned rappers racist? Were the tickets prices extortionate so as to make it an exclusively middle class "white only" affair? Or was the poster talking bollix? I'll let you all decide.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,707 ✭✭✭Bobblehats


    sabat wrote: »
    At Public Enemy, De La Soul and Wu Tang in the 3 Arena a couple of months ago there was about a dozen black people out of several thousand...

    Is it always skin deep?

    ..you must look deep into the soul and I’ll think you will find there were many more brothers and sistas out there.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,409 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    On my bucket list, either working it or risking trying to buy a ticket, its the nightmare of nightmares trying to get that elusive ticket and the computer keeps saying no. Have done most of the Irish ones and a few Scottish as well, RockNess being a nice electronic rock festival with Loch Ness as the backdrop to the main stage area.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,421 ✭✭✭ToddyDoody


    sabat wrote: »
    At Public Enemy, De La Soul and Wu Tang in the 3 Arena a couple of months ago there was about a dozen black people out of several thousand...

    Black watch 2019?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,896 ✭✭✭sabat


    ToddyDoody wrote: »
    Black watch 2019?

    I thought it was noteworthy, although "heritage" hip-hop gigs here do usually have almost 100% white audiences-specifically 30 to 40 something scruffy, hairy, Carhartt wearing, stoner dudes.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,421 ✭✭✭ToddyDoody


    sabat wrote: »
    I thought it was noteworthy, although "heritage" hip-hop gigs here do usually have almost 100% white audiences-specifically 30 to 40 something scruffy, hairy, Carhartt wearing, stoner dudes.

    The type of guy you want to bring home to your parents.


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,829 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    And you would be wrong. Given the size of the place, the amount of acts (Music and non-music), the fact that it starts on Thursday and not Friday, the fact that you can bring whatever you wish in food and alcohol-wise, the fact that, if you so choose, you can not spend a single penny in there, it is great value.

    An Electric Picnic ticket can cost you 205 Euro and then you are gouged once you leave your tent. The acts, while good, cannot compare with Glasto. This is because Glasto can pay more for the bigger acts.

    For God's sake, one year I saw U2, Coldplay, Elbow, Beyonce, Tinie Tempah and had to miss The Chemical Brothers, QOTSA, the Kiaser Chiefs, Fat Boy Slim and Pete Tong because they were all on at the same time.

    A band will probably get more for headlining EP than Glasto. Most headliners, at Glasto, end up losing money but they more than make it up with the coverage.

    Michael Eavis was on the BBC this year explaining the booking process. It's why it's taken time for newer American acts to headline, their agents expected the usual mega bucks. The reason for the move away from rock is Emily, who's now taken over from her father.

    The charity aspect of Glasto was always there - Michael is a methodist :) This has always been a big factor in support for the festival.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,421 ✭✭✭ToddyDoody


    Discodog wrote: »
    Glasto.

    Very Ross O'Carroll-Kelly.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭topper75


    phutyle wrote: »
    You obviously have your agenda, and seem pretty intent on finding a racist black guy to somehow nullify accusations of racism against white guys, and I'm sure they're out there somewhere. But this isn't your guy by any definition or misdefinition. Good luck in your search.

    The guy's basis for not coming here was skin colour. He said it out loud. I'm not sure why you would interpret that as anything other than racist. What am I missing?


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,925 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    topper75 wrote: »
    The guy's basis for not coming here was skin colour. He said it out loud. I'm not sure why you would interpret that as anything other than racist. What am I missing?

    I guess you're missing the actual definition of racism. He didn't want to come to Ireland because he thought it was unwelcoming to, and therefore devoid of, black people. You seem to have a big hangup on race, and I really can't help you with that.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,980 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    Discodog wrote: »
    A band will probably get more for headlining EP than Glasto. Most headliners, at Glasto, end up losing money but they more than make it up with the coverage.

    Michael Eavis was on the BBC this year explaining the booking process. It's why it's taken time for newer American acts to headline, their agents expected the usual mega bucks. The reason for the move away from rock is Emily, who's now taken over from her father.

    The charity aspect of Glasto was always there - Michael is a methodist :) This has always been a big factor in support for the festival.

    Well, you are right. What I meant by that was that they would get the bigger acts. I know Springsteen declined initially (A few times apparently) due to the fact that he would be paid less. Until they sent him a video about why he would be paid less (Much going to charity, intentional lack of corporate sponsorship etc.)

    So, as an addition to the OP's post:

    To those who have been. How many would NOT go again? (And if not, why?)

    Personally, I will certainly go again. But it can be a hard slog in bad years. It is not cheap. But it is fun and safe. You meet people from all over the world and discover acts that you would never give a chance to otherwise.

    And if people want to continue the "Race" debate, maybe open another thread. Everyone who has been there has confirmed that, in their more knowledgeable position, it is NOT racist. But some people seem to be insisting that it's racist based on TV coverage. The conversation is going around in circles like a panto "It is" "It isn't" "It is" "It isn't"


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,925 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    Not wanting to trigger topper75 and blinding any more, but I found this amusing in light of earlier comments:

    Irish Times review of Stevie Wonder:
    And while I like when he organises a girls-versus boys singalong, I feel like the decision to lead a thousand Irish people into a chant of “Say it loud, I’m white and I’m proud” was a bit misjudged. (It causes a lot of us to wonder, for the first time in their lives, if it would be more impolite to disobey Stevie Wonder or to chant what amounts to a white pride slogan.)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    phutyle wrote: »
    Not wanting to trigger topper75 and blinding any more, but I found this amusing in light of earlier comments:

    Irish Times review of Stevie Wonder:
    Stevie wonder is just taking the Pi$$ Now;) . I suppose being at white shows comparable in Colour to Klu Klux Klan Meetings is bound to have funny affects ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭topper75


    phutyle wrote: »
    I guess you're missing the actual definition of racism. He didn't want to come to Ireland because he thought it was unwelcoming to, and therefore devoid of, black people. You seem to have a big hangup on race, and I really can't help you with that.

    Hangup?
    You make it sound like it was ME that didn't want to come to Ireland!:D

    The black guy was a racist. By any definition. It's OK to say that. It happens.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,980 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    topper75 wrote: »
    Hangup?
    You make it sound like it was ME that didn't want to come to Ireland!:D

    The black guy was a racist. By any definition. It's OK to say that. It happens.

    Gotcha. Everyone can be racist. Moving on.....
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